DISQUS

jr · 1 year ago

"I will hate Phillip Butler and the gooks as long as I live"-John McCain

SouthernYankee · 1 year ago

I wish some reporter would ask St. McCain when he says he'll put country first what does that mean. To me its means he'll send off our kids to fight his wars first. He wishes to fight wars all the time.

Wisconsin Liberal · 1 year ago

All McCain talks about is fighting, haven't we had enought war. Haven't our young men and women had enought?

Joneses · 1 year ago

I don't think this will make the corporate media, and if does, they will dismiss it.

McCain is a liar, and I truly don't have much faith in the so called religious people who supports this nightmare.

bluestockton · 1 year ago

Every time I read that McSame graduated fifth from the bottom, I can't help wondering if he were disappointed by not finishing AT the bottom. In his day, the worst cadet/midshipman in every service academy graduating class was called the goat, and it was traditional for all the other first classmen to give the goat a dollar upon graduation. With hundreds of grads in every class, that added up to a lot of cash in the Sixties.

I remember one West Point goat who didn't just happen to be the worst student in his class--he planned it that way because he wanted the money! He said it was a constant struggle to keep his grades good enough so that he wouldn't flunk out altogether, but bad enough to stay on the bottom. McSame may have thought that as long as he was close to goathood, he might as well go for it, only to end up answering one too many exam questions correctly.

Bush_Bites · 1 year ago

It sounds like McCain was a loon before he even went to prison, and the experience didn't make him any calmer.

What a nut.

Busboy · 1 year ago

Everyone's worried about stuff that happened 40 years ago? That's even older than whitewater was! Here's something to really worry about: Word is out that the Clintons may be making their move on the superdelegates.
Sorry, no links yet.

blackwolf · 1 year ago

I'm not going to rule this out, but it would take the Clinton legacy down forever. My understanding is that it's totally ceremonial. However, nothing is totally ceremonial when a vote is being taken. Can you imagine, if she ended up with a higher super delegate count than Obama? If that happened, she would split the party in half, and the damage would be felt for a long, long time to come.

falloch · 1 year ago

About a quarter of all homeless men on the streets of American cities are veterans of Vietnam, or the first Gulf War, probably even some left over from the Korean War, and other conflicts. They are damaged people who had little or no help or comfort when they were no longer useful as military fodder. While the US media and many US citizens go on and on about the honor, sacrifice, integrity, etc. etc. of veterans, hundreds of thousands are just left to fend for themselves beset by trauma and stress. And god knows how many more will emerge from the Iraq War, especially considering how inadequate Veterans' hospitals are nowadays - plenty of money for bombs and fighter planes, woefully insufficient funds for soldiers' protection, decent clothing, rations, and finally post-combat medical care. Until I hear McCain reach out, and promise money and commitment, to these dispossessed heroes, then I don't care how long he was in a prison camp - he's disassociated himself from his fellow soldiers, and if questioned about the homeless and welfare-scrounging ex-military, would say they needed to take responsibility for their own lives, unlike himself, who married a millionaire.

RonTunning · 1 year ago

Thanks for reminding us, and for having posted this comment on my blog.

falloch · 1 year ago

Ron, yours was an enlightening and infuriating article; I've sent it to friends, but I just wish the MSM would take it up - sorry, I've just had to go outside and stifle my cynical hoots of laughter...

Busboy · 1 year ago

Falloch, you say a quarter of all homeless men are veterans? That means three quarters aren't veterans. What kind of meaningless statistic is that?? Does it mean that men who didn't serve in Vietnam are 3 times more likely to be bums?

falloch · 1 year ago

There's plenty of reasons why people end up homeless, esp. nowadays when foreclosures have skyrocketed, when so many jobs have been outsourced, when families break up . Why do you think that saying 25 per cent of all homeless men are veterans is a 'meaningless statistic'? Obviously you're not one of them - if you were, you would bloody well find some 'meaning' in your situation.

RonTunning · 1 year ago

That's precisely the point I was making in my column published a couple of weeks ago in my local paper. http://laconiademocrats.blogspot.com/2008/07/la...

We can respect McCain for his service, but that certainly doesn't qualify him for chief executive.

Rufus · 1 year ago

Of course they are going to demonize Butler. It's what they do. McCain will recount the evil things Butler did while a POW and away they will go.
Believe it, count on it, take it to the bank.

Busboy · 1 year ago

Results from a Drudge Poll???

{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}}WHO WILL BE OBAMA'S VP?

Bayh
12% 2,226
Biden
24% 4,229
Clinton
10% 1,795
Kaine
6% 1,132
Kerry
7% 1,249
Nunn
4% 640
A Wildcard
37% 6,609

Total Votes: 17,880

Steve_in_CNJ · 1 year ago

why didn't we think of this before? POWs for Obama.

i just checked and there are no POW groups at mybarackobama.com. somebody get it started pronto and get an invitation to the convention.

there's still time to stuff a sock in a few pundit pie-holes (Schieffer, Mitchell et al.)

lark83 · 1 year ago

Sadly, I don't think we'd get that many. Many of the old POWs think Nixon got them out of prison camp by having the balls to seriously bomb Hanoi targets with B-52s. I could be wrong but I'm skeptical.

cowboyneok · 1 year ago

OH.MY.GOD. Jack Cafferty just FILETED John McCain on CNN on Wolf Blitzer's show!

Someone get the video!

Best line of debate was when Cafferty said McCain's answers were too pat, especially when McCain said his marriage was his worst "moral failure. Why WAS IT your worst moral failure? I wanted him to explain..." I thought the wingnut McCain supporter's head was going to explode!!!

Go Jack Cafferty!

Coming Undone · 1 year ago

When McCain was released from the prison camp and returned home, it seems like he never reached back to help other POW's or soldiers returning home from the war.
McCain uses his POW status as a prop. Did he ever use his rich resources to help other veterans?

I think McCain has serious problems, and just how many different medications is he probably on and again WHY was he 30 minutes late for the forum with Warren??

tlsintx · 1 year ago

yep. they'll find a way to demonize Butler, even if it's a lie.

hannity was lying full steam ahead today, talking about Our Little Maverick's fantastic showing at the Saddleback Megachurch...

Rick Warren was on hannity's radio show and will be on hannity and colmes tonight on fox...what does THAT tell ya?

hardeknox · 1 year ago

Butler's a liar. McCain's only 71. If he can make up the age, he can make up the rest. "Snark"

Delia · 1 year ago

Not that I'm a huge fan of Mrs. Greenspan, but she seems to have become a bit disillusioned with St. Maverick of late. Apparently his people were complaining about her to NBC. She was such a meanie, bringing up that he may have overheard the first part of the big pastor forum on the radio.

cowboyneok · 1 year ago

Don't think she has seen the light. Mrs. Greenspan has been trying to overcome the questions about her neutrality. I'm sure if she had to do it over again, she wouldn't have said anything. In fact, I'm not so sure she wasn't trying to benefit the McCain camp with her remark and inadvertently spilled the beans about the whole SCANDAL.

mf_roe · 1 year ago

The really sad part is that many of the great herd will consider what occurred at saddleback a debate. Same questions means it was fair. If both were on the stage together and took questions in rotation I suspect McShame would have stepped on his appendage often enough to have open many eyes. I want to hear McShame address random questions in a pressure setting, that would be so sweet.

cowboyneok · 1 year ago

When is McCrazy going to be confronted with the FACT the Russia/Georgia conflict is a direct result of his BAD JUDGMENT regarding the DISASTROUS decision to support Bu$hco. going into Iraq.

The available intelligence at the time PROVED we should NOT go in there, but McCrazy and Bu$hco. would not listen. Democrats rightly punished Hillary Clinton for supporting the biggest foreign policy blunder in history, but McCrazy keeps trying to pretend the Iraq surge's limited, and indirect, success makes him immune from his direct involvement in THE WORST FOREIGN POLICY BLUNDER IN AMERICAN HISTORY! The lemonaid of the surge occurring about the time of the Sunni Awakening is STILL BITTER considering nothing is going to save us from the aggregate costs of this mistake. The Iraq disaster is STILL a huge disaster for us, even if the surge has had its limited success. McCrazy HELLPED create the HUGE Iraq War disaster and that FACT can not be so easily dismissed or forgotten.

Also, I'm tired of McCrazy claiming he saw the whole Russia / Georgia conflict coming. If he did, then he shouldn't have made Russia stronger, and us weaker by his support for Iraq.

mf_roe · 1 year ago

McShame isn't angry, he is mad. Anyone who thinks we should confront Russia in a belligerent manner is insane, we have to totally retool our diplomacy and strategy. McShame thinks cannon fodder is the answer to all conflict.

jsquared · 1 year ago

Wow, McCain's personality iwould marka s a continuation of Bush's irresponsible (angry at Dad) frat boy (fly boy) narcissism. They are both superficially witty and effective in chit chat yet utterly incapable of deep coherent thought and wedded to no true moral values beyond their needs. In Bush's case, it was probably worsened by the drugs and alcohol; and with mcCain, the torture. (I would bet McCain had a very problematic father relationship as did W.) I think the reason that much of the country can't see these profoundly disturbing personality characteristics is that narcissism pervades our current society.

KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago

NPR: Cindy McCain LIAR: claims she's only child of mobbed-up beer-distributor Daddy Hensley. Well, turns out Daddy had his own first marriage and first daughter, who's now 65 and who was cut out of Daddy's big $$$ when he died.

Mikki --SE Pennsylvania · 1 year ago

Probably with "dear little Cindy" whispering in his ear.
Also, don't forget that both Daddy Hensley and his brother were convicted felons.

LisaLV711 · 1 year ago

Well, thank you for sharing. I have read and seen things on various sites and it behooves me that the mainstream media just simply ignores this lying so and so. McCain is so very dishonest, it's not funny and if he had one descent bone in his body, he devote himself more to the vets and especially the former POWs who served with him. He's a loser in my book.

lark83 · 1 year ago

Very cool article. Phillip Butler is an American hero. He was one of the first guys shot down during the Vietnam war. He had already been held for 2.5 years when McCain showed up. Old pilots like me have always revered guys like Butler. He sounds like a totally cool guy too. Glad I saw this.

TomJoad · 1 year ago

McCain is a pop song. Simple concept, "POW", "tough on terror"...
Obama is a jazz musician, with something to say, but not simple. The masses love pop songs, they don't have to think too much or listen too hard. Jazz is for people interested in music, that want to go INTO it, not just surface.
McCain has the edge with the whole populace. Just hope that there are enough people sick of the war, violence, "when all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail" concept.

One thing...McCains' touted "military experience". Correct me if I am wrong, but he was a pilot. They get the job if being told "go there, drop bombs" right? It isn't like they delve into tactics, political nuance, boots on the ground experience, or any of that. Being captured, and there the story is not clear...I've read of his reports of what happened, I've read other reports that he may have collaborated, I don't know, but I do know that getting captured isn't a positive thing, after that it is only in your control what you do about it but it doesn't give you particular insight into what role a military should play, or what "works"or what should be tried.

Mikki --SE Pennsylvania · 1 year ago

MCShame has great "military experience" if you count crashing planes.
By the time he drove his plane into the ground in Viet Nam, he had already crashed 4 naval planes plus was tied in with a disasterous fire aboard a carrier that ended up killing over 125 servicemen. His responsibility is clouded, but his daddy's connections did make sure ole Jonny was spirited off the carrier before the fire got put out. Also, if you count being an enemy collaborator, McShame was that. But beyond these two elements, I'm dammed if I can see where all this "military experience" was obtained.
McCain is a man without honor and his unsavory past needs to be exposed to the public light of truth.