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AMERICAblog: France bans adverts for mobiles to children - cites radiation problems

  • Older_Wiser · 10 months ago
    I still refuse to get a mobile phone even at my advanced age. In the case of children, it's parents who buy them...and aside from health hazards, should a young child be chained to such a device?

    What's with parents these days anyway? They complain about kids' clothing but they're the ones who buy it, after all, and everything else they complain about kids having and their behavior.

    It's been said that the late cur Lee Atwater had a mobile phone (when they were the size of a small "boombox") to his ear constantly and he died of brain cancer at a fairly young age. Coincidence?

    What about wireless devices such as laptops? I remember a scene from the horrible movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still" which had a young boy (Jaden Smith) on his bed with a laptop covering his genitals. That can't be so good, either.
  • Edmund · 10 months ago
    Yes. That's what a coincidence is.
  • sigh · 10 months ago
    They may be euphemistically chained to the device, but they've grown up only knowing being instantly and always connected, and they they want it. And since some (most) kids will have this or that thing, kids that don't suffer socially.

    Also, laptops resting on a male's lap will overheat and kill sperm/inhibit spermatogenesis; although as I recall, that wouldn't be a problem for a young boy, preadolescents in general or the geriatric population. :-)
  • Edmund · 10 months ago
  • Edmund · 10 months ago
    Unfortunately for the French government, the evidence that cell phone EM radiation actually has any effect on health remains extremely thin http://www.badscience.net/?p=239 has a summary; of 37 controlled studies on the subject, only 2 found some reproducible effect, and those studies' results are mutually incompatible.
  • flymice · 10 months ago
    Chris:

    As you state, it has been 10 years since cell use has been common. There is simply no proven link between use and brain cancers. If there is one, it is exceptionally rare- the health risks of driving, or even walking, while using a phone is FAR greater than developing a brain tumor. This is reason enough for kids to not get in to the cell habit early.
  • Indigo · 10 months ago
    Tinfoil hats for everybody!
  • ron · 10 months ago
    go live in glastonbury. theyll protect you there from imaginary threats with their orgone generators.
  • AdmNaismith · 10 months ago
    Between their hearing loss from iPods and tumors from cel phones, I don't want to deal with any current 20-somethings in 5-15 years.
  • DavidinPS · 10 months ago
    Chris does it again. If it's not the dangers of "frankenfood" its cancer causing cell phones. If you are going to post this sort of thing, please link to CREDIBLE, PEER REVIEWED, SOMETHING OTHER THAN PAPER THIN evidence. Chris, I love you when you talk about economics, but you have a weakness for this sort of thing that could stand some tweaking.
  • Badger3k · 10 months ago
    I agree - the big problem is there are no credible studies showing any danger. The most is the one researcher who found no link, but still warned people against using them. That's call a FAIL. Didn't we go through this already?
  • Badger3k · 10 months ago
    If you go back to through the link, it all goes to another Independent story about a conference (not peer reviewed and analyzed publication, a warning sign indicating the information may not be highest quality - just about anyone can present at conferences, no matter how good or bad their data), which means this needs to be reviewed by scientists, not by fearmongers in the public (repeat after me - correlation is not causation). I saw a few problems. First, I see far more speaker and text use than regular "hold-to-the-ear" talking, and more use of hands-free devices, which use different frequencies (and wavelength, IIRC). I see far more use of headsets for mp3 players that blast the music at extremely high volume. I also noticed an error in saying that the brain is fully developed at 20 (not really, the major development is done in the early 20s, according to research, but the brain continues to develop all our lives). It would have also been useful to have some names of these researchers, and something about where it was published (most conferences produce a written publication that gives all of the speakers' presentations).

    I also had to laugh at the lunacy of some of the commenters on the source story, who seemed to be enthralled by the debunked "power tower" panic (although now they are adding cell towers to the mix, with just as much evidence from what I have read). It is pretty funny since there is that whole town in England that is fearful that their "ley lines" (non-existent folk tale energy) and their lives are being disrupted by wi-fi (yeah, that's where the "orgone energy" mentioned is involved - orgone is a pseudoscientific belief pushed by either idiots or scammers, for those who don't know). We're definitely on the fringe here.

    Now, if these findings can be backed up by other researchers, and there is evidence of causality (as opposed to mere correlation), then I would say that governments would be justified in acting. Until then, it's a panic reaction designed to show the public, who are not exposed to and unfamiliar (in general) with actual science, that they are taking their safety seriously. It's a political decision really unconnected with the science so far.

    All of that said, I don't see any reason why kids, especially pre-high school, even need cell phones. Society has not changed so much that kids need to be connected to their friends 24/7. Especially given the part in the article where they want to ban the sale of phones for kids under the age of six. Six? WTF? Who do you even know at that age? It's like the new nanny isn't tv anymore, it's now cell phones.
  • LowKey · 10 months ago
    Science is not your enemy Chris. It makes me sad when progressives fall for psuedo-scientific (or NO science at all) just like the christian fundies do.

    I am a big fan of Amercablog, but this just makes me embarrased to even have read. This belongs on someoplace like freerepublic, not here.
  • Asterix · 10 months ago
    Dunno about cancer or the wisdom of walking around with a UHF RF transmitter attached to the side of your head. Eventually, the theory will be sorted out, now that there's money on the line. Ultimately, the theory will be proved by epidemiological studies a decade or two down the line.

    I occasionally volunteer as a tutor at a local high school. I usually arrive during lunchtime. It's eerie to see a courtyard full of kids, each yakking away on a cellphone with very little face-to-face conversation going on.
  • Charon · 10 months ago
    Chris, stop freaking out. Cancer is caused by ionizing radiation (breaking DNA bonds, primarily). Cell phones do not emit ionizing radiation, or anything close to it. Ionizing radiation is UV and higher energy (x-ray, gamma ray), while cell phones use microwave frequencies (which are below infrared, which is below optical, which is below UV in terms of energy). There is no plausible mechanism for cell phones to cause cancer.

    That said, there could be some completely mysterious, unknown mechanism by which they could cause cancer. But that would need very good, solid epidemiological evidence to demonstrate. Needless to say, there isn't such evidence for cancer. By all means continue research, but don't freak out. And (by definition of unknown) there could be some unknown mechanism by which _anything_ causes cancer, including freaking out about cell phones.
  • Charon · 10 months ago
    Oh, I feel I should add that the low energy of cell phone radiation means that no matter how much you use them, it still won't do damage. If one photon of this radiation can't break then bonds, then a trillion of them won't either. This is what Einstein won the Nobel prize for figuring out (and what the whole "quantum mechanics" thing is about).

    And LowKey: solidarity, brother. We've got great grocery stores here in Seattle that cater to environmentally friendly things like local and organic food, but they also have complete nonsense like homeopathic remedies for sale (and are incredibly defensive when I challenge them on this - refuse to listen to evidence, explanation, anything). This is what gives environmentalism and liberalism bad woo-woo reputations.
  • shelly kalnitsky · 10 months ago
    Please visit www.cprnews.com. Under world news are over 160 studies on cell phone dangers from around the world.
    Children are at thegreatest risk as their brain tissues are still developing and the live on the cell phone.
  • James K. Sayre · 10 months ago
    Hmm. We are all bathing ourselves in a bath of electro-magnetic energy waves 24-7 these days. Radio waves, television broadcasts, radar, microwaves, on and on... Who knows if this constant bathing will cause cancer? Just wait ten, twenty or thirty years or so. (Many cancers are very slow to develop). In the meantime, keep on cell-phone yakking, as you drive, as you eat, as you web-surf and as you watch TV...
  • Charon · 10 months ago
    Yes, and we've been bathing ourselves in radio waves, television, radar, and microwaves for... over thirty years already, actually. 60 or 70 in some cases. What exactly do you think will change by waiting another thirty?
  • Boo · 10 months ago
    Don't forget the earth's magnetic field, it's chock full of radiation!
  • cracked · 10 months ago
    Can some one help me? this is a serious question.

    What about cordless household phones? Wouldn't they have the same problems?

    Can I keep my 13 yo off the cell, only to have him just as endangered by the cordless phone?
  • bicyclemark · 10 months ago
    Chris.. youre right to bring this up. This is a big issue, most of all because its something no one wants to believe or listen to.. as it involves one of our most essential (seemingly) devices. As much as I need and use my mobile, I want the facts on this issue and radiation needs to be talked about and taken seriously.
  • Charon · 10 months ago
    If you want to be taken seriously, then get some evidence. Epidemiological, case study, physics arguments, anything that demonstrates that there may in fact be a risk here. So far all you have is that you're scared of the word "radiation". Would you feel better if we called it light? That is also a scientifically accurate description.
  • bicyclemark · 10 months ago
    oh and unfortunately phone companies are pulling public phones everywhere.
  • Badger3k · 10 months ago
    Here's some actual science: http://techskeptic.blogspot.com/2008/12/dect-sc...

    It won't change the minds of those enmeshed in pseudoscience and conspiracy theorists, but it might educate those who are not aware of what reality is, as opposed to what popular news outlets put forth.
  • Will · 10 months ago
    maybe it's a good thing that kids seem to text more than actually talk on their cell phones!
  • derekcbart · 10 months ago
    There is no scientific link to tumors and cell phones. There is only a pseudo-scientific link to tumors and cell phones. Cell phones do not emit "radiation". For an in depth look at the subject please read this: http://skepdic.com/emf.html