Wall Street conservatives are losing patience with the McCain campaign and its high-risk emphasis on "character". These free-market greed-is-good people think they should be running on the Bush economic record:
I understand Barak Obama is going on the Bill O' Reilly show. WHY? I bet you McCain would never go on Keith Olbermann's show.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
I am having a real hard time understanding WHY the Obama campaign would ever consider going on FOX much less on one of the most idiotic shows in their line up. The people that watch Bill O'Rielly would never,ever vote for Obama.
slappymagoo
· 1 year ago
Here's the thing (maybe the only thing) that makes sense about Obama going on a show like O'Reilly's. Obama is great at keeping his cool. People who watch O'Reilly often think Obama's some kind of monster. If they see Obama not looking monsterish, it's a plus. If he manages to keep his cool while O'Reilly is blowing his stack, it's a plus. And let's face it, for all his bluster and rhetoric, O'Reilly is also a NOTORIOUS star-f*cker, and he won't be nearly as nasty with the future president of the Unites States as he would with an Obama spokesperson, you know, a "nobody." Hannity would be a douche, O'Reilly might be a suck-up.
Of course, it's a plan that's not without peril. O'Reilly might be a kiss-ass during the interview, but you can be sure, once the interview is over, he'll take Obama's comments out of context and twist them to make him sound militant or crazy or uber-liberal or all three. The rest of the Fox News lineup will do this, too, but shee-it, they'd do that with an Obama comment no matter if he made it on a Fox News show or anywhere else. The other elements of peril are:
Obama, going against type, loses his cool. Unlikely, he knows what's at stake, but who knows what Fox news has in store for him.
Obama has to make SUCH an effort keeping his cool, constantly checking what he's saying to make sure the rabid right doesn't think HE comes off crazy, that he winds up coming across as stiff and uninvolving. Like any of us regular Joes going for a job interview ot meeting our date's dad, the intense pressure to NOT make a bad impression might result in his not making much of an impression at all. This would allow Fox News to talk about how there's not much "there" there. Unlikely a risk, but not out of the realm of possibility.
And finally, Obama's base will be looking for Obama to verbally kick O'Reilly's ass. It's an unrelaistic expectation, but one many of them will have. Let's face it, O'Reilly deserves it. But Obama's not there to kick ass and take names, he's there to prove to the typical Fox news viewer that he really is the better candidate. Which means not sh*tting on their hero, no matter how much we want him to. Will that alienate his base? make him think he's nmot really fighting for them anymore? It shouldn't, but the media will pick it up as if that IS supposed to happen, and keep hammering it home until some members of the base start going "yeah, man, Obama let us down." Remember, the main GOP line of attack isn't about making you want to vote for McCain, it's about making you unsure enough about Obama to NOT vote. You not voting is a win in Fox News' Eyes, and the GOP's eyes.
So Obama going on O'Reilly's show is fraught with peril, but it's a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't scenario. He doesn't go on, they'll slam him as being weak. He does go on, every word will be used against him. But if there's anyone who would be able to go into that lions' den and convert some people, it's Obama.
econprofes
· 1 year ago
You would think Obama would have learned his lesson from the Saddleback fiasco and how the Pastor of Saddleback and his members set Obama up while grinning at him and calling him their friend. These people (Evangelicals) are not our friends. The Evangelical church is only focused on political power and they will allow corporations to sap the resources and finances from the middle class as long as they can dictate that all Americans live by their spurious criterion of morality
dbeden
· 1 year ago
Actually, from what I've read around the blogosphere, this may be a smart move. McCain just cancelled his interview with Larry King because King dared to question the might McCain campaign (snicker,) so Obama walking into the lion's den an hour before McCain gives his address is a gutsy move sure, but if he pulls it off (and most likely he will) the 2% of swing voters will be able to see a clear difference.
And besides, O'Reilly just a baby with the one on one interviews. He may take Obama's words out of context, but he does that anyway.
econprofes
· 1 year ago
In a decision like this you have to weigh the potential upside to the potential downside. The potential upside is inconsequential. Jed Clampett, Elly May Clampett and the rest of the Hillbillies that watch Fox News are never going to vote for Obama. If they can get him to make a gaffe (actual or pseudo), then the potential downside could be astronomical. The ratio of potential benefit to potential detriment is a number far less than one which means you don’t do it. What benefit did Obama get from going on Fox the first time or Saddleback? On both occasions he was set up and what he said was distorted.
dbeden
· 1 year ago
yeah I said it "may" be a smart move. If he gets through without a gaffe. There are a few rationales for this, but to tell you the truth, they all kinda rely on Fox News being respectable and honoring journalistic standards. So yeah, I kinda agree...it's probably a bad move, or at least really risky.
Nuffsaid
· 1 year ago
According to Bush McCain was not tortured, there was no organ failure and he didn't die. He wasn't held agenist his will because he had no rights to "Habis Courpis" He wasn't a prisoner of war because there was no Decleration of War issued by the US Congress against Viet Nam. He was just a guest of the Hano Hilton. He paid his bill by giving information that was detromental to the USA efforts in Vietnam. How did they know he was the son and grand-son of US Navial Admarials unless he told them?
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
I am not from CBS but I will tell you why Thompson can say it---he is a Republican and can say anything he wants. Been going on for years, Republicans don't have to tell the truth,they don't even have to come close to the truth. IF and when a Dem refutes their lies then they scream foul. They have this down pat.
Case in point, Rove's comments on Kaine. Oh my, how could Kaine even be considered for the VP slot. Last week, comment forgotten and Rove is praising Palin who has similar (on a much smaller scale) qualifications.
Republicans say what they want, the MSM takes those statements as fact and runs with them.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
I do not want to kick a veteran POW around, but how does being a POW show your character. I agree not snitching folks out when you are in captavity is very honorable, but the mere fact that you are a prissoner speaks nothing of one's character.
Hell, I'm almost certain Bill Clinton has been a sex prisoner on an occassion or two.
lynchie
· 1 year ago
After 8 years the best we can expect from the Party of Asswipes is that they lie, that is the best the have to offer. They don't talk about their complete failure to regulate the market place so we Americans don't get raped at every turn. They don't talk about the lack of jobs and a future for our children. They don't talk about American becoming a 3rd World Nation. They dont talk about a Federal Deficit of $12 Trillion. They don't talk about illegal imprisonment, illegal wire and phone tapping. The only thing they have is a 72 year old pilot who crashed 4 planes before being shot down. The only thing they can relate is his supposed hero status in a war that was fought 40 fucking years ago and who has done not a blessed thing since. They talk about a hero in another war we should never have been in but the hubris of this country decided we should lose 58,000 of our men and women to fight a war in a foreign country which didn't want us there in the first place. Yeah, the dems committed to the war and Nixon finished it but there is no honor if bombing civilians, calling them gooks and then claim that there is something heroic about being caught and held prisoner.
Return the talk to the economy, unemployment, falling dollar, continued corporate welfare, 2 senseless wars, no future for our kids and never forget the candidate from the Republicans has been in Washington for 26 years and has done nothing to change the landscape, guarantee our future or make America safer. Nothing, Nada, Zip, Zero. Nothing but make him and the rest of the thieving Republicans millionaires at our expense.
An_American_Karol
· 1 year ago
As an aside, is the GOP glorifying and encouraging teenage sex by praising Palin for her mothering skills and holding Bristol up as a model - for what ever reason? How many teenage girls will be encouraged to engage in risky behavior because of this? This moves beyond fear of pregnancy and moves into life threatening STDs.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
I don't think they really care about pregnancy.
In fact, I think they'd prefer all girls get pregnant by 13 and have a shotgun wedding by 14.
dad
· 1 year ago
i thought fred was dead.
EmGD
· 1 year ago
See what Clark did was denigrating McCain's service, what Thompson did was praising McCain's service. Because see...the phrasing...words...in..Schieffer said....uh...*door slamming* *tires screeching*
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the whole party is delusional at this point.
Of course, it's a plan that's not without peril. O'Reilly might be a kiss-ass during the interview, but you can be sure, once the interview is over, he'll take Obama's comments out of context and twist them to make him sound militant or crazy or uber-liberal or all three. The rest of the Fox News lineup will do this, too, but shee-it, they'd do that with an Obama comment no matter if he made it on a Fox News show or anywhere else. The other elements of peril are:
Obama, going against type, loses his cool. Unlikely, he knows what's at stake, but who knows what Fox news has in store for him.
Obama has to make SUCH an effort keeping his cool, constantly checking what he's saying to make sure the rabid right doesn't think HE comes off crazy, that he winds up coming across as stiff and uninvolving. Like any of us regular Joes going for a job interview ot meeting our date's dad, the intense pressure to NOT make a bad impression might result in his not making much of an impression at all. This would allow Fox News to talk about how there's not much "there" there. Unlikely a risk, but not out of the realm of possibility.
And finally, Obama's base will be looking for Obama to verbally kick O'Reilly's ass. It's an unrelaistic expectation, but one many of them will have. Let's face it, O'Reilly deserves it. But Obama's not there to kick ass and take names, he's there to prove to the typical Fox news viewer that he really is the better candidate. Which means not sh*tting on their hero, no matter how much we want him to. Will that alienate his base? make him think he's nmot really fighting for them anymore? It shouldn't, but the media will pick it up as if that IS supposed to happen, and keep hammering it home until some members of the base start going "yeah, man, Obama let us down." Remember, the main GOP line of attack isn't about making you want to vote for McCain, it's about making you unsure enough about Obama to NOT vote. You not voting is a win in Fox News' Eyes, and the GOP's eyes.
So Obama going on O'Reilly's show is fraught with peril, but it's a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't scenario. He doesn't go on, they'll slam him as being weak. He does go on, every word will be used against him. But if there's anyone who would be able to go into that lions' den and convert some people, it's Obama.
And besides, O'Reilly just a baby with the one on one interviews. He may take Obama's words out of context, but he does that anyway.
Case in point, Rove's comments on Kaine. Oh my, how could Kaine even be considered for the VP slot. Last week, comment forgotten and Rove is praising Palin who has similar (on a much smaller scale) qualifications.
Republicans say what they want, the MSM takes those statements as fact and runs with them.
Hell, I'm almost certain Bill Clinton has been a sex prisoner on an occassion or two.
The only thing they have is a 72 year old pilot who crashed 4 planes before being shot down. The only thing they can relate is his supposed hero status in a war that was fought 40 fucking years ago and who has done not a blessed thing since. They talk about a hero in another war we should never have been in but the hubris of this country decided we should lose 58,000 of our men and women to fight a war in a foreign country which didn't want us there in the first place. Yeah, the dems committed to the war and Nixon finished it but there is no honor if bombing civilians, calling them gooks and then claim that there is something heroic about being caught and held prisoner.
Return the talk to the economy, unemployment, falling dollar, continued corporate welfare, 2 senseless wars, no future for our kids and never forget the candidate from the Republicans has been in Washington for 26 years and has done nothing to change the landscape, guarantee our future or make America safer. Nothing, Nada, Zip, Zero. Nothing but make him and the rest of the thieving Republicans millionaires at our expense.
How many teenage girls will be encouraged to engage in risky behavior because of this? This moves beyond fear of pregnancy and moves into life threatening STDs.
In fact, I think they'd prefer all girls get pregnant by 13 and have a shotgun wedding by 14.
http://thesebastards.blogspot.com/
Somebody forgot to tell them that Reagan wasn't an ugly hillbilly.