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AMERICAblog: Friday Morning Open Thread

  • Cpeterka · 1 year ago
    MCCAIN 2008
    PALIN 2009

    OUCH !!!
  • JohnInTexas · 1 year ago
    It's obvious now why the nascar crowd and the hillbillies like her, they figure all those words coming out of her mouth, if they can't understand WTF she is saying, she must be purdy smart. The little ladies like her because she gets to wear shoes AND have babies.
  • Pangolin · 1 year ago
    I hate to break this to you but stupid people think smart people use big words, complicated ideas and math just to be mean. If she talks like a third grader then she must be just like them and therefore will help them.

    Stupid people aren't smart enough to know they're stupid. They're not even smart enough to know stupid is a bad idea.
  • Reason0Politics1 · 1 year ago
    GREAT Point!
  • PatogTX · 1 year ago
    Well if you recall she DID give a shout out to Third Graders....
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    good morning

    I had to switch to C span this morning.......'Morning Joe' was ridiculous.

    A caller into C Span said Palin won the debate because she didn't goof up.........good grief.
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    Minneapolis Star Tribune

    # of votes % of votes
    Sen. Biden 53.0 %
    Gov. Palin 39.4 %

    http://www.startribune.com/polls/30261059.html?...

    All the polls I've seen thus far have Biden winning at 50 some percent and Palin at 30 some percent....except Drudge of course.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    Breakfast TV Swooning Heads:

    WOW! America has a new Idol and she's named Sarah Palin! She went out there a church choir singer from a small town and came back a star!! She just made that whole show her OWN! She did a medley of brand-new tunes we know are going to be monster hits. "Winkin' At Ya." "Your White Flag of Surrender." "There Ya Go Agin, Doggone It." And, best of all, 'We're Just a Coupla Mavericks in Love." She nailed all the top notes fantastically. She showed such stellar confidence, so that a couple of weeks of being a little "off" didn't matter. She grooved with the house band, and her appeal is definitely Nashville/Memphis. That's her niche, but it's a huge mainstream one. She is gonna fill stadiums and dominate the C & W charts for a long,long time. It's that folksy-sexy mom appeal that just effin kills, man!

    The runner-up was a little pitchy at times and his two numbers "Four More Years" and "Those Are the Facts" just didn't rock the house. He seemed a little lacking in the kind of starpower Sarah brought to the show, so his groove is definitely classic rock, but that market is definitely not "hot" and in fact it's drying up. It's a limited niche. He just didn't make the show his own, like the winner did. He could probably have a decent career playing Ramada Inns in the Northeast, but that's about it. He's OK, if you want to get into a nostalgia groove, but there's nothing there to get any crowds excited. He's just not American Idol material.
  • Reason0Politics1 · 1 year ago
    That Sarcasm Freakin Nailed it, I'm sad to say. Lets face it; this country is ignorant and proud to be such. And as silly as that is above, its pathetically accurate.
  • BarrieT · 1 year ago
    I don't know what to think until Simon Cowell tells me.
  • paulbe · 1 year ago
    American Vice Presidential debate. Both candidates falling over themselves to show their love for Israel. What the F**k is that about? Anyone (other than the usual scummy "Megaphone" shills here) have an issue with that?
  • High Crimes & Misdemeanors · 1 year ago
    Yeah, I thought that was pretty pathetic... but watch out, you might get your ass booted from here if you eviscerate the isreali 'gubment' - which of course most of us can make a distinction btwn the fine Jewish folks and a criminal government destroying the Palestinian people..... most of us....
  • maudegonne · 1 year ago
    Maybe he could get it out of Christopher Cox's Newport hide.....

    In other words, for every dollar in equity, it had $33 of debt. The ratios at the other firms also rose significantly. The 2004 decision for the first time gave the S.E.C. a window on the banks’ increasingly risky investments in mortgage-related securities. But the agency never took true advantage of that part of the bargain.

    The supervisory program under Mr. Cox, who arrived at the agency a year later, was a low priority. The commission assigned seven people to examine the parent companies — which last year controlled financial empires with combined assets of more than $4 trillion. Since March 2007, the office has not had a director. And as of last month, the office had not completed a single inspection since it was reshuffled by Mr. Cox more than a year and a half ago. The few problems the examiners preliminarily uncovered about the riskiness of the firms’ investments and their increased reliance on debt — clear signs of trouble — were all but ignored.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/03/business/03se...
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    Conservative columnist Kathleen Parker pretty much gave up on Sarah Palin September 26 when she said the governor "Is Clearly Out Of Her League."

    Tonight didn't change her mind:

    "Well, darn it all, if that dadgum girl (wink, wink) didn't beat the tarnation out of Joe Biden. .........She did her homework, studied hard, and delivered with spunk. Still, I had the uneasy feeling throughout that I was witnessing a data dump from a very appealing droid."

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/3/059...
  • Pangolin · 1 year ago
    Sara Palin can't pass a Turing test once you put her behind a screen. Nobody would ever believe that was a natural voice. Also the sentence structure reads like random grabs from a phrase book.
  • Cpeterka · 1 year ago
    Palin as a Turing Test...
    Wow, I hadn't thought of that concept.
    Pangolin is right !! She would NOT be percieved as intelligent.

    Good Job, Pangolin !
  • SCLiberal · 1 year ago
    Palin reminded me of Miss Sharon from Romper Room. (And boy, does that date me.)

    Will be interesting to see if the public falls for the "Shucks, I'm just like you" bullshit like they did in 2000. I predict a brief bump in the polls for her but then a large enough win for Obama to preclude another theft on election day.
  • LeeFromHamburgNY · 1 year ago
    I'm sure that many of the male repubs are still walking around with a chubby thinking she was winking at them...
  • triple7s · 1 year ago
    That would call for a lot of VIAGRA.
  • snowbird42 · 1 year ago
    I wonder if she gave the same answer twice. We know she mixed and matched the phrases to suit herbut I thought she said the same thing about energy twice.
  • Smarmy · 1 year ago
    Palin is too 'familiar' with senior principals. She talks too much, and too loud. Her arms are constantly moving - like she's going to take flight. She was put in place as a distraction for the republican party. Look who we're talking about instead of that wrinkled old toad.
  • Savage8862 · 1 year ago
    I think it is funny that Paln repeatedly said that Biden was always looking at the past..always blaming Bush. Then she would turn around and quote Reagan as if her accusation was never made. But isn't that what the Republicans like to do? They consistently blame Clinton and Carter for all the problems in the world.

    Her voice is like fingernails on a blackboard.
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    so true....they can't defend their failures so all they have left is to blame Clinton.
  • houstonray · 1 year ago
    I've always found it interesting to realize that since 1980, almost 30 years, we've only had 8 years of a Democratic White House...yet everything bad is Clinton who held less than a 1/3 of that time...
  • David Maddux · 1 year ago
    The morning after, I wake to find I'm thinking of the entirety of the Palin responses as one, large, amorphous mass of cotton candy. Her handlers took her to Sedona and, to prep her for the VP debate, taught her one, single fuzzy-around-the-edges master answer she could apply to any question. All she'd have to do is rotate it a few degrees and spit out another chewy, sugary blob of it.

    What really galls me is that I actually expected her to answer - or attempt to answer - the actual questions put before her. Having seen the entire McCain campaign, in enter-the-Matrix style, blithely create a reality out of spin and lies, I should have known that she would merely swat away like so many annoying flies those questions requiring more than a quarter inch of personal integrity, depth of understanding, or expertise grounded in seasoned governance.

    I do not want a VP in the White House who f#&ing WINKS AT ME, dammit.
  • SCLiberal · 1 year ago
    Biden's best moment was when he clearly stated the role of vice president (actually answering that question, unlike Palin) and his very clear assertion that Dick Cheney is the most dangerous VP in our history! I wanted to stand up and cheer! Atta boy, Joe!!
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    Dangerous Dick Cheney....boy did Biden hit the nail on the head there
  • houstonray · 1 year ago
    That was a good one. I was actually surprised (I mean, not surprised it's true of course) that he said that and in such a forceful and dramatic manner. On CNN, his lines went way up when he said that. It was awesome!!
  • marduke · 1 year ago
    What about how they both had the same position on gay Marriage? I was stunned. Both do not support gay marriage, but apparently now support all of the benefits of marriage to be given to same sex couples. Has HRC won the fight?
  • David Maddux · 1 year ago
    Look more at their respective track records. McCain has little-to-no positive history of advancing or even ratifying same-sex rights of any kind. Obama grew up knowing a "pair of uncles" and has long championed same-sex rights. I'm pretty confident that McCain/Palin are saying what they think will at least pacify LGBT voters [fat chance], and that Obama/Biden are touting the most conservative affirmation of same-sex rights so as to not disenfranchise independents and waffling GOP voters.

    But once in office...? I bet they do a heckuva lot more for LGBT rights than they're currently stating.
  • SCLiberal · 1 year ago
    heh, I was typing almost the same sentiment as you posted! Hope we're right!
  • marduke · 1 year ago
    What makes you think that they will do more? The political mine-field of being a new president would prevent this. It will be interesting what happens in California. I would be interested in knowing what both sides think of "don't ask, don't tell". I would also be interested in what both sides think of DOMA and adoption (since HRC is banging McCain over the head with his support of it and Obama has not come out with a position on these issues.). I am just unconvinced that either side really will shake things up. What is interesting is that Biden in this debate likened gay issues this to a civil rights cause. This is something that traditionally-defined civil rights groups have been loathe to do fearing that their causes would be lumped in and defeated.
  • Laura-In-CC (fka Doodlebug) · 1 year ago
    Just finding what happens in California "interesting" will not advance the cause. Everyone, EVERYWHERE, who believes in equality should be donating as much money as they can to the groups opposing the constitutional amendment! They need the money and the fundies on the "YES" side are scooping it up in truckloads. "Equality California" is one organization, and there are others.
  • SCLiberal · 1 year ago
    I would love to think that Obama/Biden say that to keep the middle-of-the-road people, then once in office press to extend even more rights to GLBT Americans. Personally, I wish we'd just go to a civil certificate for an "official" marriage for everyone. Then if someone feels the need for the whole religion thing they are free to do that. I've married twice, both times by a judge. It's so crazy: two atheists can be married by a judge and are just as "married" in this country as Billy and Ruth Graham. No inconsistencies here, move along....
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    CNN’s Anderson Cooper said, “On equal rights for gays and lesbians, it came off as if she actually supports the same policies as Obama and Biden do, which is just factually not the case.” Paul Begala agreed: “She seemed to say she supported the Biden-Obama position that we should all treat all Americans equally. That would be a radical step for Republicans.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/02/vice-presid...
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    That was some kind of radical step for AC to be so vocal on the issue.
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    What struck me about her answer on this issue was that she was "tolerant". Tolerant?? I am straight but that seemed insulting.
  • SCLiberal · 1 year ago
    Struck me that way as well. Translation: I'm better than you but I will tolerate your misbehaviour because... well, because I'm better than you!
  • SCLiberal · 1 year ago
    I expected a slight bump for Palin after the debate but after looking over the polls I see that is not the case. I was sure the public was going to buy into the folksy "I'm one of you" bullshit that they fell for with Bush 8 years ago. Maybe people have wised up a bit. Looks that way. That makes my day. John, maybe Americans are finally beginning to fall out of love with stupid!
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    FMI (For Mooselini's Information) consider this bit of Cicero:

    History is the witness of the times, the light of truth, the life of memory, the mistress of life.
  • maudegonne · 1 year ago
    By REUTERS

    Filed at 8:03 a.m. ET

    PARIS/LONDON (Reuters) - French Prime Minister Francois Fillon said on Friday the world stood on the "edge of the abyss", gripped by a global financial crisis now threatening industry, trade and jobs worldwide.

    Fillon's words echoed a growing sense of alarm sweeping EU capitals ahead of an expected U.S. Congressional vote on Friday on a $700 billion bailout plan for the financial industry. Approval is far from certain.
    http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/news/news-us-fin...

    So much for the French calm in a crisis...........................
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    from Digby:

    Palin's final quote was from Ronald Reagan, warning that without vigilance, "you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children, and our children's children, what it once was like in America when men were free."

    In fact, Reagan was not warning about a general lack of vigilance about freedom, he was warning what would happen if Medicare was enacted.

    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/freedom-...
  • Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago
    "The Moose That Roared"

    Heh heh...
  • BarrieT · 1 year ago
    Alaska = The Duchy of Grand Fenwick. Heh heh, indeed...
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    After disastrous interviews the Republicans set the stage for low expectations for Palin. Morning Joe talking heads, including Chcuk Todd, are saying she won because she didn't mess up! They can't believe the instant polls are saying Biden won. Maybe Americans have finally figured out that while they might like to have a beer with you they don't want you to lead the country.
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    They believe their own bullshit:

    "Facts don't matter! Moose hunting does!"
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    New Obama ad cut from last night's debate.

    http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1...

    (Based on Biden exposing McCain's shell game of a "health care plan.")
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    Great !
  • bacalove · 1 year ago
    We should not be fooled by Palin's Acting abilities to weve and bob and her canny ability not to answer questions she does not like in contradiction to her being able to answer complex questions on the spot!

    Starting to question McCain's mental fitness

    McCain's interviews have become increasingly angry, hostile and unhinged. He seems to be on the verge of some kind of mental collapse. A big part of McCain's erratic behavior is due to Obama having gotten deep, deep, deep inside his head. If McCain's brain was x-rayed, it would reveal Obama sitting comfortably upon McCain's cerebral peduncles. But, it is more than that. I believe McCain's increasing instability is being caused by the stress of the campaign and his 72 year old body not being able to get the rest that it requires to function properly. That isn't ageism—that is a simple fact of life. I wondered how McCain, being in advanced years, would respond under the grueling pace of a general election. I think we are all beginning to find out and it really isn't a pretty site. He is on the verge of some kind of mental collapse.

    http://www.progressivedailybeacon.com/?p=1986
  • snowbird42 · 1 year ago
    Palin alluded to the fact she would give no more interviews. No more media questions. This is not Ok and it is time for the press to call her on it.
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    She figures she passed the oral exam and now she'd better quit while she's ahead.

    An Iowa paper this morning described her as a student cramming for a spanish exam and getting a b-minus, then not being able to order a cup of coffee in Spain a week later.
  • houstonray · 1 year ago
    Perfect description. I know, I took Spanish in college, LOL!
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    Biden so out-distanced Palin last nite....it is truly funny to see some of these right wing nuts going ballistic about how great Palin was........I think it would make a great parody for Sat Nite Live .
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    Flow chart showing Sarah Palin's debate strategy.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/3/43222/8...
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    hah..that is good....I was surprised it wasn't mention more how frequently she was looking at her notes and even reading some of the answers.
  • Sage24 · 1 year ago
    Palin was great at recitation. It seems all she wanted to do last night is regurgitate her talking points, before she forgot them. There was absolutely NO depth or thoughtful answers, just Palin spewing lines she was carefully coached to say. That is why she did not answer directly to questions, but kept jumping over to unrelated topics. I saw her constantly having an amused look, and misrepresenting Obama and Biden's position on various issues. She was sarcastic, and basically unpresidential.
  • High Crimes & Misdemeanors · 1 year ago
  • ATLLIBERAL · 1 year ago
    "But seriously, what the hell was she talking about last night. I defy anyone to find a truly coherent, well reasoned answer to any question"

    Can I refuse to answer this question and answer the one I want to answer?
    Hockey Mom, Maverick, Tax cuts, Joe Sixpack!
  • lynchie · 1 year ago
    She had notes with headings. If the question was economy. She had her talking points. If it was Iraq she had talking points. Every once in a while she would throw in the Maverick. Her performance was no different than with Couric. The difference was that Gwen Ilfill was a moron. She never kept her on point, never followed up to clarify and frankly didn't do her job at all. The complete bullshit that the McCain camp raised about her bias was just that bullshit.
    Palin basically was like a GPS. Give directions, give directions, the unit however doesn't operate without the satellite information. She had nothing to guide her but her notes and they ended up to be repetitive, pre chewed and when necessary spit out in whatever order she wanted.
    This wasn't a debate since she spouted the vitriol of the right towards liberals and did not have any sense of history of McCain's 26 years of doing nothing. Palin is incompetent and without any substance.
  • Wild_Weasel · 1 year ago
    Palin sounded like McCain/Bush on the War in Iraq:

    She accuses the Democrats of a White Flag Surrender. Yet, she fails to explain what she defines as "victory" in Iraq.

    If we are going to stay in Iraq until there are no more car bombings, then we are going to be there for 100 years, like McCain suggested earlier.

    Meanwhile, America won't have the money to restore its standards of living, rebuild its crumbling infrastructure, improve health care, fix MediCare, fix Social Security, help our Baby Boomer retirees . . . . . . . . . . an on and on.
  • lynchie · 1 year ago
    WILD: we don't have the money now because we have pissed away over $1 trillion. The real number we may never know. That does not account for the medical care our vets will need for the rest of their lives.
    Just one other thought. Social Security is fine. The government needs to put back the money it has taken out. That started with Regan and every President since has helped himself to the Social Security Fund.

    We are bankrupt as a nation, financially and morally. In the moral sense it is that lying, bribing, cheating and greed are the most respected of traits.
  • Wild_Weasel · 1 year ago
    Yep! You're right, until politicians have the ear of Main Street instead of Wall Street, we aren't going to see things get better. Campaign finance reform. Lobbying reform.
  • Beckins · 1 year ago
    "i may not answer your questions the way you'd like." isn't that kinda like going onto the field for a flag-football game and saying "ok, but i'm not wearing my flags"? i think even i could debate biden w/ that one!
  • laurenkaplan · 1 year ago
    'mid all the necessary focus on the election, progressives need to weigh in with real solutions for Obama's transition team who're facing sh.t when (hope, fight, work) we win. Standard centrist solutions are NOT going to be enough to revive the economy. I'm looking for a progressive policy idea post where Obama's rhetoric re a bottom up campaign of ideas can be made real. This election is looking more and more like 1932 - and like FDR, Barack needs intellectual capital. Soo.. Since the country's going to be broke and in hock to Beijing what about a NATIONAL SERVICE INCOME TAX ALTERNATIVE? Propose to RAISE fed. taxes in a steeply progressive slope to 90% BUT, citizens could CHOOSE to be taxed at 15% (approx.) flat IF you voluntier for National Service. The country is HUNGRY for a call for mutual citizen sacrifice (Bush's missed opportunity post-9/11, the citizen response to Katrina etc. etc.) The most effective AND egalitarian mobilization of the nation happened in WWII when we UNITED to smash facism. Service priorities (Education, infrastructure rebuilding, Green transition, health care etc.) to be set by Congress in open debate. National Service principles: 1. Every citizen's service time is equally valued (helps take $ influence out of politics) 2.Devolve to lowest possible level so every town, county state etc. gets to debate its National Service time/work budget (revives the relevance of local participatory democracy. 2. Toughest/most important/crappiest work earns the best Service time vs. $tax credit. i.e. 4hrs week in your local classroom vs a year in the inner city. 3. Service Exemptions earned by combat vets, "frontline" teachers, health care providers, first responders
    Any interest?
  • billkepps · 1 year ago
    Watch here for Sarah Palin doing a post debate analysis of her performance!

    http://www.236.com/video/2008/sarah_palin_vlog_...