DISQUS

debbietee · 1 year ago

How nice! I would love to see "union" photos.

1billinnj2 · 1 year ago

god bless their marriage. long life and happiness. we would wish anyone this. right? but not the right--hmmmm. everyone deserves to be happy. we still have a long way to go. thanks and have a nice day. bill

jwhit · 1 year ago

I never understood the right wing objection to gay marriages. It's what I call half-a## morals. They don't have a problem with molesting little boys, cheating on their wives, illegally invading other countries, committing genocide, lying through their teeth, agreeing with Parsley that US was created to destroy muslims, agree with everything Hagee says, etc. but somehow they have a problem with gay marriages. NOTHING BUT THE DEVIL

ucsbclassics53 · 1 year ago

it sucks that people can be so intolerant that a gay bishop who is NOT harming anyone has to be with security because of death threats...

AdrianBrody · 1 year ago

Yet another reason we can be glad Bill and Hillary Clinton are out of the Presidential race. Their former Administration brought about some of the most vicious attacks against glbt people as they quietly signed DOMA and DADT in the middle of the night. GLBT people can no longer afford to have deceitful slime like the Clintons working with the enemy to take away their rights.

ndtovent · 1 year ago

Mostly O/T, but indirectly related -- good article in today' Wapo about baptist churches having to change their names to something more generic to a name without "baptist" in it due to the right wing fundie stigma which has become synonomous with "bapist" in the churches names. What it means is that even moderate conservatives are f*****g tired of being assoicated with these nutcases in the churches. Here's the link.. Worth a read:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...

ndtovent · 1 year ago

now back on topic. Congrats to the bishop and his partner. KUdos for taking a stand! We need more like him.

jr · 1 year ago

very cool. Time to modernize the faith

Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas · 1 year ago

This is all very well and good. But as I posted earlier, I don't give a flying rat's ass about a church wedding, marriage, or union ceremony. If the Anglican in question here needs the mythjayzuz to bless this union, all well and fine for HIM and his spouse. They can drink the blood and eat the body too. But it should not have anything to do with their inheritance rights, their health care insurance, their filing status with the IRS, their mortgage documents, or 1000 other legal parts of marriage.

This should be based on the civil marriage or union that was done briefly in the town hall or registry office as in Europe.

If they want, AFTER THAT, to "bless" the union in some shrine to the gods, well ain't that purty. It should have ZERO meaning in terms of the laws of their state and their nation.

ndtovent · 1 year ago

Totally agree with you, but unfortunately, the voters and most of the legislators in about 30 states don't see it that way.

ndtovent · 1 year ago

...and even if YOU don't care about the religious aspects of marriage, many millions of others do (about 70% or so of the U.S. population from what I read in an article recently..). So the more we chip away at it from both sides, the quicker the barriers will fall on both sides.

red_dwarf · 1 year ago

Two sides of the same reality coin. Wackjobs about sums 'em up though.

What if we were talking about evolution, or the age of the Earth? Would we have to accomodate them then? Religion should not be ANY part of a secular government - no matter what fraction of the people are whackjobs. Bostonian is correct - and you are too in the sense that we have to accomodate whackjobs. But like I said, where do you draw the line? I'm all for religion, so long as its not in my face.

judybrowni · 1 year ago

Over 30 years ago, I interviewed one of the first women ordained as an Episcopalian priest for a magazine article. And she told me the following tale: that the first time she officiated at a service and passed out the communion wafers, one of the newly ordained male priests bit her hand.

As much as things change, the bigots will always find a way to be riled.

Praxxus · 1 year ago

Good for Gene!

Mrs. Praxxus and I caught up to speed about him last week, when The Sundance Channel was showing For the Bible Tells Me So, a documentary about biblically-inspired homophobia. It follows five different families, including Gene Robinson, his ex-wife, his parents, and parishoners through the gay person's coming out and each family group's reaction to it.

If you haven't seen it, I recommend it. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0912583/

But back on topic: thus was Bishop Robinson so closely on my mind when I saw a blurb about this in the WaPo. Kudos to him and Mike!

Busboy · 1 year ago

Robinson's a powerful force in what's left of the Episcopal church. He brought the church down out of pique. He could have become a private citizen and married; but the comeuppance to the covenant was more important to him. So, you admire the guy for his guts; but wonder about his perspective.

Lonnie28 · 1 year ago

At least Obama had the guts in the past to honor these men. Hillary seems to try and run away as fast as she can every time "teh gay" subject comes up. I don't think she even mentioned it once during the campaign. Yet she somehow managed to attract some really old and bitter queens among her Hillbots. Maybe she's got some bizarre qualities that are favored by the Alzheimers crowd. God it's a relief that witch is out of the race.

naschkatzehussein · 1 year ago

She was the same way with reproductive rights. In Ohio and PA all the Catholic women were supposedly for her, and she probably was not bringing up abortion rights. Obama was targeted though for his support. But when out here in Oregon, a strongly pro-choice state, Chelsea was promising women that her mother's health care plan would include free contraceptives.

TomJoad · 1 year ago

THis is OT but really important...
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,...

I saw the "crawl" on CNN this weekend that "US troops given antidepressants" and went through them, it is a time story actually. This is huge. Our armies are broken, and this patchwork way of keeping them enslaved and in combat (how many missions for them now? ) and add now that they are going to drugs, with NO real ongoing mental health followup...drugs like Zoloft...which has been linked to suicide and violence among the age group that is the core of our army...

This ought to be the number one topic...

red_dwarf · 1 year ago

Good point Tom - I saw some figures the other day revealing that 120 ex-Iraqi service men attemp suicide every week. To date over 6,000+ have committed suicide - that makes the number of suicides > killed in Action. In addition many resort to crime. We just had an Iraqi vet a few weeks ago murder a university student at Auburn.

And then we hear that our Gov't doesn't want to diagnose PTSD because it might lead to extra "medical care" and extra cost. And of the course the soilders are told to "grow up" and don't be a "pansy" and to just "get over it". The Bush regime is truly a fascist government.

tlsintx · 1 year ago

if Bishop Robinson brings down the entire Episcopal church (which I doubt) simply by being a human being, it needs bringing down.

Congratulations Bishop Robinson. Best wishes on a long and happy life.

DAB · 1 year ago

I'm reading Gene Robinson's book, and it's such a relief to find a genuine voice of faith and humility in this otherwise noisy "controversy" in the Anglican Communion. And as a gay Episcopalian, I find myself surprised by just how much his membership among our House of Bishops has meant to me. He's an unlikely hero, but he's certainly become mine!