These cynical haters like the Mormons try to get ahead and gain more power by demonizing gays - the easiest group to shit on - and thereby prove themselves oh-so-moral in the eyes of the gullible and uneducated. My sister, who's a Bible Christian but intelligent and fair-minded, recently ditched a striving fundamentalist church on the make, because - big surprise - the pastor began preaching anti-gay hatred. She's now joined the Episcopalians.
Blueflash
· 1 year ago
Of course the young angry Repub thugs are pissed. They didn't get invited this time by Karl Rove to bang on doors and holler their lungs out to stop a recount. Damn, those were the days - too bad we were still just in high school and trying to score with the cheer leaders. And who better to take it out on than the ultimate "unAmericans", a few gay men.
interlude
· 1 year ago
no but here in Oklahoma University, where i teach, i have students who work in food services who said their experience on tuesday night late was horrific, as upset republican students roamed around harrassing food service workers (mostly of color) asking them who they voted for...any who confessed to voting for Obama received quick verbal abuse, and then the GOPpers went to the next venue.
kevinbgoode
· 1 year ago
Let's really piss of the "young Republicans". . .we can gather signatures for a constitutional amendment to remove THEIR rights.
skeptic
· 1 year ago
I have been gay physically gay bashed three times in my life, once by 5 guys and another time by two guys with a baseball bat, and I say go for their balls by tracking them down and suing the shit out of them. These kind of people are nothing but punks and should be put behind bars.
Boy, if I ruled the world for just a day or two. Heads would roll!
There is a whole bunch of street protest going on in Westwood here in Los Angeles at the moment. No on 8 supporters were demonstrating at the Mormon church there and now are in front of the Federal building. They have completely blocked rush hour traffic on Wilshire Blvd..
ObamaLover
· 1 year ago
This is a very grave subject so forgive me for going off topic:
But I just saw on CNN's website that now Franken is only down 336 votes. Why did the numbers change? Has the recount started or are they still counting provisional and absentee ballots? http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/indivi...
grandma
· 1 year ago
This is from The Minnesota Independent::
Updated: Norm Coleman’s razor-thin lead over Al Franken keeps getting even tighter. Yesterday, Coleman’s lead was 477 votes, but as of 10:45 a.m. Thursday, it’s now a 438-vote gap. [At 4:15 took a 590-vote lead, but the margin is again back to 336 by 5 pm.] Forum Communications reports one small reason why: Election officials in Buhl, Minn., reportedly went to bed election night without reporting the tallies for its 550 voters to county officials. Also reporting of results in Duluth was delayed because one precinct, “inundated with hundreds of same-day registrations,” took longer to count.
Update: David Brauer offers some interesting details. Two of every 1,000 optically scanned votes aren’t counted, he writes: “Extrapolated, that means 6,000 votes could enter the pool this time.”
"Election officials in Buhl, Minn., reportedly went to bed election night without reporting the tallies for its 550 voters to county officials."
Buhl?
Freaking tiny little Buhl?
I'm originally from that area, Da Iron Range. I can't believe Buhl is instrumental in this election. That's mostly DFL country, btw. Socially conservative, however.
MaudGonne
· 1 year ago
Prop. 8 protesters target Mormon temple in Westwood By Joanna Lin and Jessica Garrison November 7, 2008
Protesters gathered today outside the temple of the Mormon Church on Santa Monica Boulevard in Westwood to protest Tuesday's passage of Proposition 8, the initiative that bans same-sex marriage. Soon after the rally got under way at 2 p.m., men and woman hoisting signs shouted down about a half-dozen men in suits from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, yelling "Shame on you!" and pointing at them. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-protest...
MaudGonne
· 1 year ago
Prop 8 has now thrown up a series of legal challenges. While the state attorney general, Jerry Brown, said that same-sex unions carried out since June would remain legal, challenges to those 18,000 marriages are expected.
"It is my belief that the courts will hold that these same-sex marriages entered into are valid," he said.
At a press conference in San Francisco, the city's mayor, Gavin Newsome, said "this city is no longer marrying people" of the same sex. Newsome has been criticised for pushing the issue too fast by starting to marry gay couples in 2004. But he said on Wednesday that he had no regrets about his actions. "I don't regret standing up for people," he said.
i'm not sure what is excellent about it. i saw several ads talking about the danger of messing with the constitution (including those by feinstein and other 'celebrities'). sullivan assumes that it would have been better to 'connect' somehow (using real gay couples i presume). as far as i know that's never been tried and it's far from obvious it would have worked better.
i agree with the majority of critics of the no-on-8 'campaign' that they were simply caught napping. they started raising money and producing ads about a month before the election, after it was too late. the mormons had already defined the issue and whipped up the usual hate and fear.
skeptic
· 1 year ago
They were not caught napping, they were ineffectual and inept. They should never have been allowed to be in charge of this campaign. Professional types should have handled this thing not a bunch of gay party boys.
I dealt with these people and I knew in speaking with them that they were going to blow it and I told them so. On the other hand, this seems to be pretty typical in the gay community. Totally disorganized and a lack of interest. 51% of eligible gay voters didn't bother. They were presumably too busy I suppose.
Well it is their life down the line. I am at an age that this whole thing really is not a major issue for me and I did my thing starting with protest in the streets against the Viet Nam war, the Briggs amendment, the Florida orange juice queen, and on and on. I have marched in too many protest and so if the younger group is uninterested, well so be it. Let them eat cake.
bbock
· 1 year ago
I agree they were amateur hour. I donated money. A week or two later I got this letter from them explaining proposition 8 and asking me for help. That is a no-no in fundraising. You send a different letter. You say "Thank you for your contribution. To date, we've raised $X, but our opponents are outspending us. If you can, please send another contribution. Here's what we are doing with your contribution...." Instead, it felt like they were prospecting me as a possible donor. It's terrible fund-raising practice.
Then there are the ads. They went after people's fear of gays molesting kids or converting them to be gay. We needed to counter program directly. Show a lesbian couple or gay couple with their family. REAL people, not actors. Show a bunch of them. It's about family, even if your family is your husband and pets, it's still your family.
There were two good ads. One was the Sam Jackson ad. That was brilliant, but too late. The Mormon home invaders ad was also very good, but late. We should have pounded on the Mormons and the Catholic Church for their sins. Mormons want to remake California marriages to be like their marriages? (Show Mormon polygamists.) The Catholic Church is worried about children? (Show headlines about the church protecting pedophile priests.) Hit them where it counts. Make people see who was paying for this and what their agenda is. Christian evangelicals HATE Catholics and Mormons. Mormons were notorious for racism and zenophobia. How many African American Mormons are there? Not lots.
Not so good was the gender inspectors ad. Laughing at mens junk is not a good way to persuade them that gays are okay.
Going forward, we need to educate people that gays are good people too. Get people like Oprah to help. Shame Barack Obama on his confusing message. What? He's against us getting married but he thinks we should have separate but equal rights? Would he put up with separate but equal for HIS kids, HIS wife? HIS marriage?
We need to demand an equal role in society. Don't just come to us when you need flowers, your house decorated, your hair cut, your food served, your health care. We are more than that and we demand equality.
skeptic
· 1 year ago
You make some excellent points! Thanks
----- Original Message ----- From: Disqus To: maleko@innocent.com Subject: [americablog] Re: Gay-bashing election night near the White House? Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:34:09 -0000
AdmNaismith
· 1 year ago
Half of San Francisco didn't vote. San Francisco! That many people could have put NO over the top and defeated this thing for real. Once a few people get a little comfortable and complacent, the whole movement takes three steps backwards.
skeptic
· 1 year ago
Truly sad but then people get the government that they deserve. Gays are way too complacent as a group and that is one of the reasons that we are where we are in our quest for civil rights. Most of the younger ones are too self involved to consider the future (they also think that it does not apply to them as they will never age...) and the older types, like myself, have been in the trenches for years and are getting a bit burned out. And finally we have no concerted top leaders in the LGBT nationwide community that are effective. Since homophobia is still rampant, especially amongst gays, there is no unity to stand up and say, "Whoa, enough is enough. We demand our civil rights and will vote you out of office if you don't help us!" Too many are afraid to stand out.
In time when the older generation dies off this will change, but I would have liked to have seen it in my life time.
----- Original Message ----- From: Disqus To: maleko@innocent.com Subject: [americablog] Re: Gay-bashing election night near the White House? Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 06:17:07 -0000
skeptic
· 1 year ago
We still need an organized response to this against the Mormon church, as well as the black community and their churches, who voted according to what they were told by their pastors. This sort of discrimination needs to be stopped once and for all.
I did not understand why the inept people at NO On 8 didn't bring up the fact that the Mormon's et al. were behind the money to push this through. Now I have a number of straight friends that are all surprised as to where the money came from to support this YES vote. Are we too nice as a group? Maybe too timid? We should take a note from the Republicans and go for the jugular. Take no prisoners because being the nice guy doesn't make it in this country.
AdmNaismith
· 1 year ago
I fear for in increase of violence here in CA as well, what with all of the Mormon's meddling.
tebcorp
· 1 year ago
What initial information or evidence suggests that the D.C. attackers were "Republicans"?
All Comments
The protest DAY 2 are continuing now in Westwood against the MORMON CHURCH!
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/livenow?id=6430355
CHECK OUT THE LIVE VIDEO!
Boy, if I ruled the world for just a day or two. Heads would roll!
There is a whole bunch of street protest going on in Westwood here in Los Angeles at the moment. No on 8 supporters were demonstrating at the Mormon church there and now are in front of the Federal building. They have completely blocked rush hour traffic on
Wilshire Blvd..
But I just saw on CNN's website that now Franken is only down 336 votes. Why did the numbers change? Has the recount started or are they still counting provisional and absentee ballots?
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/indivi...
Updated: Norm Coleman’s razor-thin lead over Al Franken keeps getting even tighter. Yesterday, Coleman’s lead was 477 votes, but as of 10:45 a.m. Thursday, it’s now a 438-vote gap. [At 4:15 took a 590-vote lead, but the margin is again back to 336 by 5 pm.] Forum Communications reports one small reason why: Election officials in Buhl, Minn., reportedly went to bed election night without reporting the tallies for its 550 voters to county officials. Also reporting of results in Duluth was delayed because one precinct, “inundated with hundreds of same-day registrations,” took longer to count.
Update: David Brauer offers some interesting details. Two of every 1,000 optically scanned votes aren’t counted, he writes: “Extrapolated, that means 6,000 votes could enter the pool this time.”
http://minnesotaindependent.com/16726/colemans-...
http://minnesotaindependent.com/16777/problem-p...
Buhl?
Freaking tiny little Buhl?
I'm originally from that area, Da Iron Range. I can't believe Buhl is instrumental in this election. That's mostly DFL country, btw. Socially conservative, however.
By Joanna Lin and Jessica Garrison
November 7, 2008
Protesters gathered today outside the temple of the Mormon Church on Santa Monica Boulevard in Westwood to protest Tuesday's passage of Proposition 8, the initiative that bans same-sex marriage. Soon after the rally got under way at 2 p.m., men and woman hoisting signs shouted down about a half-dozen men in suits from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, yelling "Shame on you!" and pointing at them.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-protest...
"It is my belief that the courts will hold that these same-sex marriages entered into are valid," he said.
At a press conference in San Francisco, the city's mayor, Gavin Newsome, said "this city is no longer marrying people" of the same sex. Newsome has been criticised for pushing the issue too fast by starting to marry gay couples in 2004. But he said on Wednesday that he had no regrets about his actions. "I don't regret standing up for people," he said.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/07/us-...
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...
i agree with the majority of critics of the no-on-8 'campaign' that they were simply caught napping. they started raising money and producing ads about a month before the election, after it was too late. the mormons had already defined the issue and whipped up the usual hate and fear.
I dealt with these people and I knew in speaking with them that they were going to blow it and I told them so. On the other hand, this seems to be pretty typical in the gay community. Totally disorganized and a lack of interest. 51% of eligible gay voters didn't bother. They were presumably too busy I suppose.
Well it is their life down the line. I am at an age that this whole thing really is not a major issue for me and I did my thing starting with protest in the streets against the Viet Nam war, the Briggs amendment, the Florida orange juice queen, and on and on. I have marched in too many protest and so if the younger group is uninterested, well so be it. Let them eat cake.
Then there are the ads. They went after people's fear of gays molesting kids or converting them to be gay. We needed to counter program directly. Show a lesbian couple or gay couple with their family. REAL people, not actors. Show a bunch of them. It's about family, even if your family is your husband and pets, it's still your family.
There were two good ads. One was the Sam Jackson ad. That was brilliant, but too late. The Mormon home invaders ad was also very good, but late. We should have pounded on the Mormons and the Catholic Church for their sins. Mormons want to remake California marriages to be like their marriages? (Show Mormon polygamists.) The Catholic Church is worried about children? (Show headlines about the church protecting pedophile priests.) Hit them where it counts. Make people see who was paying for this and what their agenda is. Christian evangelicals HATE Catholics and Mormons. Mormons were notorious for racism and zenophobia. How many African American Mormons are there? Not lots.
Not so good was the gender inspectors ad. Laughing at mens junk is not a good way to persuade them that gays are okay.
Going forward, we need to educate people that gays are good people too. Get people like Oprah to help. Shame Barack Obama on his confusing message. What? He's against us getting married but he thinks we should have separate but equal rights? Would he put up with separate but equal for HIS kids, HIS wife? HIS marriage?
We need to demand an equal role in society. Don't just come to us when you need flowers, your house decorated, your hair cut, your food served, your health care. We are more than that and we demand equality.
----- Original Message -----
From: Disqus
To: maleko@innocent.com
Subject: [americablog] Re: Gay-bashing election night near the White
House?
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:34:09 -0000
Once a few people get a little comfortable and complacent, the whole movement takes three steps backwards.
are way too complacent as a group and that is one of the reasons that we
are where we are in our quest for civil rights. Most of the younger ones
are too self involved to consider the future (they also think that it
does not apply to them as they will never age...) and the older types,
like myself, have been in the trenches for years and are getting a bit
burned out. And finally we have no concerted top leaders in the LGBT
nationwide community that are effective. Since homophobia is still
rampant, especially amongst gays, there is no unity to stand up and say,
"Whoa, enough is enough. We demand our civil rights and will vote you
out of office if you don't help us!" Too many are afraid to stand out.
In time when the older generation dies off this will change, but I would
have liked to have seen it in my life time.
----- Original Message -----
From: Disqus
To: maleko@innocent.com
Subject: [americablog] Re: Gay-bashing election night near the White
House?
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 06:17:07 -0000
I did not understand why the inept people at NO On 8 didn't bring up the fact that the Mormon's et al. were behind the money to push this through. Now I have a number of straight friends that are all surprised as to where the money came from to support this YES vote. Are we too nice as a group? Maybe too timid? We should take a note from the Republicans and go for the jugular. Take no prisoners because being the nice guy doesn't make it in this country.