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AMERICAblog: Gay soldier to Obama: "I beg you today: Do not fire me."

  • Verchiel · 7 months ago
    I cannot imagine a starker contrast than that which exists between this individual and the chickenhawk Keyboard Kommandoes who not only continually offer their full-throated support for putting (other) people in harms way but view this person as a second-class citizen--if not an outright subhuman--his/her commitment and sacrifice be damned.

    They should be ashamed of themselves and, given their bizarre need to attack others while declaring their patriotism and heterosexual bonafides so loudly, I imagine that, deep down, they are...
  • Hannah · 7 months ago
    Perfectly said!
  • Butch1 · 7 months ago
    Well said, and you will never see them step up to the plate and serve their country in any way other than behind their computers criticizing it at every turn. These people always have an excuse why they can't serve. I think the word "coward" should be at the top of their list.
  • jiminportlandoregon · 7 months ago
    Mr. President, I understand that you cannot simply repeal DADT on your own; you must have congressional approval. However, what you can do on your own without the approval of anyone is suspend its' implementation. Do what's right and do it now.
  • Chris From Maine · 7 months ago
    Only in America can a man be removed from his job serving his country because of whom he has sex with.

    We have soldiers who kill Iraqis for no reason, torture prisoners, preach to Afghanis, try to convert every arab to Christianity, but HEAVEN FORBID if you are born gay.

    Sickening.
  • let him serve · 7 months ago
    Nobody was born gay. It's a series of events that lead up to your choice on your sexual preference.....Honestly, how can someone be born gay?
  • mardod · 7 months ago
    If for political reasons Obama must proceed with the termination, why not put this individual in charge of some sort of Presidential blue-ribbon commission tasked with easing the armed forces away from the DADT philosophy?
  • SoLeftImRight · 7 months ago
    It's really as simple as this soldier's plea. President Obama, end the madness!
  • sassafra · 7 months ago
    it truely disgusts me that there are people in the government that profess to support the military that would put this serviceman in such a position that he would have to beg to continue to put himself in harm's way serving our country.
    how dare they?
    shame on those faux "patriots". bigots and short sighted fools they are.
  • Gridlock · 7 months ago
    He's more patriotic than anybody in Washington, even in the face of discrimination. His service shames all of Washington, and all those who would see him as a second class citizen.

    How shameful if he died in service to those who would not grant him full equality. How noble it would be.
  • LibDemVet · 7 months ago
    Like markf217, I am gay veteran (Navy) and also a linguist. Fortunately, I served during the "You Ask, I tell you it's none of your business" period during Vietnam.

    To discharge gays just because they are gay is crazy. Heck, I found out after I left the service that many of my cohorts were gay and I didn't even know about it while serving. Gays do the job just like anyone else.
  • Verchiel · 7 months ago
    "To discharge gays just because they are gay is crazy."
    ------------------------

    Consider the source of the policy's support...
  • markf217 · 7 months ago
    I was in the Army and I always had a weakness for Sailors (and Coast Guards). We had a small Navy detachment at Ft. Sam Houston Army Base and we stole the gray colored anchor outside of their building on base, painted it pink, and reinstalled it in their garden after the first Gulf War. And I was at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba for Joint Task Force 160 and loved "inter-service cooperation." Seriously, thank you for your service to our country, especially during the Vietnam-era which I know was difficult.
  • lisainWA · 7 months ago
    Two of the most wonderful human beings that I know are gay and in the military. These guys are super smart, respected and even admired by all they know and are willing to give their lives for this country. They have to hide who they are. It affects their every day life.
    They were born gay. If they are fired for that, I know they could easily find another profession but the country could not easily replace them and all that they have to offer in their service to it.
  • markf217 · 7 months ago
    I am a gay Army veteran. I have PTSD in addition to seizures and chronic pain due to my military service. BTW, I was also a linguist. I went down the list of Democrats on the Senate Armed Services Committee and called them. Only Ted Kennedy's office said he was opposed to DADT and wanted to overturn the polcy! Not even a commitment to overturn DADT from Levin, the chairman! I own property in FL so I called Sen. Bill Nelson's office -- no commitment there either. What a joke! What are these people thinking? And what was I thinking when I donated money to the Democratic Party in 2008? I am in Tennessee at the moment (I am an expat but I had to come home for some medical treatments at the VA Hospital). I called Sens. Corker, Alexander, and Rep. Phil Roe (the all-GOP congressional delegation from TN). I identified myself as a gay veteran and I asked for an meeting with them so I could return my military medals to them in person. None would set up an appointment for me if my intent was to return my medals to them as an act of protest. If I wasn't good enough to serve, they should take their medals back. I am very angry about President Obamas lack of commitment to inclusion. I also find it ironic that a gay man can't serve in the military but an admitted whoremonger like Diaper David Vitter and draft dodger Saxby Chambliss have seats on the Senate Armed Services Committee.
  • RobertSanDimas · 7 months ago
    I agree with Butch. Do it, Mark. Send what you wrote here to several papers, the President, Senators and Rep. Your message is very powerful. I damn near cried reading what both you and the soldier being fired wrote. You're great Americans.
  • Butch1 · 7 months ago
    Your email entry should be in the papers and you should also send this to Obama. The more he reads about gay veterans ( he was never in the service ) the more this will stay in the foreground. ( I'm a gay veteran as well ) Thank you for your service to the country even though our country isn't smart enough yet to appreciate it.
  • leftypower · 7 months ago
    It is time for liberals in America to press the Obama Administration into supporting and passing a Civil Rights Bill for Homosexual and Transgendered Americans to end the pointless, wasteful and destructive battles over equal treatment. DADT, ENDA, DOMA and other forms of systemic discrimination are inherently unAmerican and can be brought to an end with one sweeping piece of legislation. Rather than divide our energy and support fighting for all of these valid issues separately, we need to coalesce all these issues into one argument: enough is enough!
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 7 months ago
    He should have been blonde, pretty, "Christian," and worked for Donald Trump.
  • Butch1 · 7 months ago
    I expected Trump to pull this. He is so enamored with this young blond barbie doll he can't even make a good decision about her breaking all the rules she lied about to compete. She should have lost her crown, even though it really doesn't matter. Of course the other contestants who played by the rules may have another opinion.

    Unfortunately, I'm beginning to associate seeing blonds on TV with the FOX channel and them being right-winged Xtian thumper air-heads.
  • LuZenMyMnd · 7 months ago
    Where's Cheney, Hannity, O'Reilly, Boss Hogg now? Instead of sitting behind a mic talking shyt, they need to find out what REAL Integrity is.

    These idiots don't even know who they are or what they really stand for. None of them begged to go to war......okay... None of them Volunteered to go. But they did beg the American public into going.
  • Butch1 · 7 months ago
    All of them are cowards and I would not want any of them watching my back on the battlefield, they aren't worthy and could never be trusted.
  • nicho · 7 months ago
    The dirty little secret that everyone ignores -- or is ignorant of -- was discussed on Bill Maher last Friday. There is an office in the Pentagon -- so entrenched that it's known as practically part of the government -- that is dedicated to converting top-level military brass to radical evangelical Christianity. The goal is to turn our armed forces into crusaders to "hunt people for Jesus."

    As one commentator noted, the Air Force Academy has already become an evangelical seminary in all but official name.

    As long as this cancer of radical Christianity is growing inside our military, do not look for DADT to be overturned.
  • kh7463 · 7 months ago
    Interesting you should mention this. My son was at Army Boot Camp recently. When he left, he wasn't atheist, but he did question a lot of things although he was raised Catholic. I'm fine with his personal beliefs because I understand his questions. When he came home, he showed us the two bibles he had received while there and talked about how he wouldn't have made it through "without Jesus". I haven't talked to him abuot it yet, but I hope to hell he hasn't been "converted" from his own personal beliefs.
  • Butch1 · 7 months ago
    Sounds to me like he was brain-washed. These christian thumpers will stop at nothing to force conversion on people who are stuck in a situation like boot camp and can't hear another perspective. This has to stop before we have a military force that is made up entirely of "born again right winged bible thumpers for Christ" who will blindly kill in the name of their religion. If there is ever a military coup in this country with these people in charge, no one will be safe, especially, gays and lesbians and others they think break their laws.
  • markf217 · 7 months ago
    The Military Religious Freedom Foundation has had some great success in the courts fighting these constitutional violations:
    http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/
    My experience is that the chaplains in the military are mostly fundamentalists and are very untrustworthy. My last commander in the military was a graduate of Oral Roberts University (which we laughingly called "Six Flags Over Jesus" behind his back). Under this commander, we had his Evangelical-Pentecostal religion force fed on us. You haven't lived until you've had someone speaking in tongues and praying before you go on a mission. If you didn't go along with it, you weren't seen as a "team player" or a "good leader." And it was worse when we were deployed or in the field -- we were even more of a captive audience. I have no doubt that one's level of "cooperation" in religious matters had an impact on their OERs (rating reports), promotions, unit assignments, being given awards, etc. I remember reading that in the Soviet Union towards the end, people would show up at Communist Party meetings, lectures, etc. They might not have been into it or enthused about it (even ridiculed it internally), but being seen just sitting through these things was helpful to their careers. That was my attitude towards all of the praying, the Bible studies, etc. I was a gay Episcopalian and I even played the piano for some of their services when I was asked. I think it is hilarious because they were convinced I was "one of them."
  • osage · 7 months ago
    President Truman ordered an end to discrimination against African Americans in the military. It would only be fitting if President Obama ordered an end to discrimination against gay Americans in the military. Often times being right is more honorable than being popular. At all times a persons character is more relevant than the color of his/her skin and or his/her sexuality.
  • Older_Wiser · 7 months ago
    Excellent. And good that he's speaking up. What sexual orientation is really going over the top in rape, murder, disrespect for foreign culture, and jingoistic rhetoric? Of course, that's a rhetorical question.

    If you don't fight discrimination, you are doing nothing but joining in the bigotry even if you're silent about it.
  • Hannah · 7 months ago
    Lt. Choi has far more integrity and patriotism than most of us. Let him continue to serve our country, President Obama!
  • brian · 7 months ago
    I will be extremely upset if the military does not allow gays. Why not? They are just as good as anyone else. Their blood as just as red as anyone's blood.
  • larkohio · 7 months ago
    Let our gay brothers and sisters, and of course, this good patriotic American serve with honor and dignity in the service of their country. They have been doing it secretly for hundreds of years, let them come out of the shadows!
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 7 months ago
    obama has a real dilemma. fire this exemplary soldier or allow him to see another man's peepee.
  • sherifffruitfly · 7 months ago
    Come on Obama. Just do what's right.
  • Gridlock · 7 months ago
    Brilliant. He's broadcasted this to every major news outlet, and he's put the focus DIRECTLY on Obama, making it Obama's responsibility and using logic and the military's own code of ethics to do it. To discount any of it would be to discount everything West Point instills in its soldiers and throw it all into doubt.

    Superb manoever.
  • scottinsf · 7 months ago
    Good for him! This is exactly what should be done. Obama must be publicly shamed on this issue until he takes appropriate action. Bravo to this brave officer for standing up and making himself heard!
  • LKeithG · 7 months ago
    I want DADT gone, yesterday. But I do not want Presidents of the United States choosing to sidestep laws passed by Congress. That is what Bush did. It's wrong.

    This soldier is brave and patriotic and he knowingly violated an unjust law. Part of the theater of civil disobedience is to willingly suffer the consequences. Like the civil rights movement in the 50s and early 60s, it may take many more such acts of courage to put enough pressure on Congress.
  • Gridlock · 7 months ago
    Again, Obama can suspend it pending congressional review.

    He can't get rid of the law himself, he doesn't have that power. Only congress can do that.

    He DOES have the power to suspend it though.
  • wmforr · 7 months ago
    This is true. I saw a Constitutional law professor--sorry I don't remember the name--on either KO or RM who stated that there would be nothing illegal whatsoever in the President suspending discharges under DODT.

    This is NOT the same as a sycophant lawyer telling Bush he can torture, murder, rape or whatever if he feels like it.
  • caphillprof · 7 months ago
    There are pages and pages of federal laws that are not being enforced, many should not be enforced but some should be enforced but are not. Gay service members should not be singled out for the rule of law.
  • erip · 7 months ago
    While i respect this soldier and have watched how articulate he has been both times on Rachel Maddow's show, i still don't get it.
    I don't get why gay and lesbian americans are willing to give up their lives in support of a country who's leadership calls them names, treats them with disrespect and doesn't think they deserve the same rights and responsiblities as the fat lazy rednecks across the country who's freedom these soldiers are willing to fight and die for.
    The only time gay issues move to the forefront is if either party sees it as a way to gain votes (whether it be anti gay or pro gay) Its time to stop with the politics and do the right thing.. One would think having a biracial president would help things along but alas we sit in the back seat and wait.
  • LuZenMyMnd · 7 months ago
    Because just as blacks did for many years....they know their persistence is a down payment. The respect for human dignity should be afforded for all under the constitution, but others must work a little harder at it.

    He's doing it right. He's rising about the garbage and demonstrating what pride, dignity and integrity really are. They're not abstract ideas as the pundits seem to express.
  • Butch1 · 7 months ago
    Good for him, bring it to the top. It is ultimately, Obama's decision and we shouldn't let him pass this off on someone else.
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  • maye · 7 months ago
    someone needs to do a national ad campaign with these kinds of testimonials. I'd contribute $ to that cause.
  • shanobama · 7 months ago
    Exactly. Someone needs to put together a film of Choi, et al being fired under Obamas watch.

    Where is the GLBT leadership on this? Are they going to let time pass them by and not act until it is too late? (see prop. 8)
  • jasonut29 · 7 months ago
    Of all the questions about what Obama should be doing or should have done by now this is the one that strikes me as his biggest failure. HE is the commander in chief of this country and HE can order that NO military persons be discharged for being gay until a review of the current law is done. His failure to do this will speak loudly of his actual beliefs toward us and what our expectation should be of him on the other issues we have. This is a simple fix "I'm the boss and this is how it will be handled". That's all it takes if he has the balls!
  • major pain · 7 months ago
    He says he understands he has to fire him, he shouldn't beg to not be fired. He broke the rules and rules have to be enforced, they can't be followed willy-nilly.

    And how does one get exposed by being gay from "don't ask don't tell" unless they said they were gay out of the blue. Why would his soldiers need to know he is gay? They don't ask, he doesn't tell, it doesn't even need to come up. He broke a code that was simple to follow and now he needs to take the responsibility for that action.