Agreed. After almost 37 years as a couple, I think my domestic partner and I will be married by the end of June. If you know what a shechecheyanu is, say one!
DID cnn just report the EXACT opposite? which is it?
kevinbgoode
· 1 year ago
And now the fundie-generated "protect marriage" amendment campaign begins. . .and this time, gays and their allies need to be much less DEFENSIVE and much more OFFENSIVE in demanding to know why a Constitutional amendment should be passed to REMOVE rights from one group of Californians - and then why THEY (meaning the wingnuts) shouldn't be removed by amendment also.
sfdave65
· 1 year ago
Fantastic......but the battle begins now to stop the constitutional amendment from passing.
vwcat
· 1 year ago
I am so glad to see that at least some are recognizing the rights of gays. I never understand the hate directed at people who are different from themselves as we can all learn and grow from the difference of people and stagnate if everyone was the same. I don't understand those in WV who would not vote for Obama because he is black, or people who say gays have no rights and cannot marry, or any of the other hateful things that have gone on, especially over the Bush years towards others. It simply depresses and saddens me to hear people saying such hateful things. It is good to see signs of changes coming. Good for California.
FunMe
· 1 year ago
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Now my state needs to fight the amendment from the CONservative FREAKS!
TampaZeke
· 1 year ago
Praise God.
God Bless the CA Supreme Court and God Bless California.
No matter what ANYONE says, there is NEVER a wrong time to advance fairness and equality. It is NEVER too soon to give full human and civil rights to those who have been denied it.
Now the REAL work begins; in California and across the country! It's time to stand strong and not let the fundamentalists and Republican homophobes MONOPOLIZE the discussion on this.
Remind them that according to their own candidates' word is an issue for the STATES to decide and that is exactly what has happened here. Not only did the Supreme Court support it, the legislature passed it TWICE.
We ALL need to help California defeat the upcoming marriage amendment.
Send your money to Equality California and get involved. We MUST win this one.
Blueflash
· 1 year ago
Great news. Will the ever more desperate Repubs now try to revive 2004 with this ruling? It did win Ohio for them and with that a second Bush term. This time around they've been at a total loss without a bogeyman and don't know which way to turn.
Butch1
· 1 year ago
Good news though the right-winged religious fascists have been gathering bigoted signatures to continue discriminating against gays and lesbians. Hopefully, people will realize that civil rights shouldn't be voted upon,period.
calvin
· 1 year ago
From what I understand the opinion was written by Ron George, a Pete Wilson appointee.. so, a conservative wrote this opinion! It says a lot...
A ballot measure makes me sick to my stomach. Hopefully, they didn't have enough real signatures..
nuneutralobserver2008
· 1 year ago
Since gays already had full domestic partnership rights, this ruling doesn't do anything except generate some additional "feel-good" validity by allowing gay couples to say that they are married.
Unfortunately, a gay marriage will never be the same as a heterosexual marriage -- for the obvious reason that in a gay marriage, the couple is same-sex and in a heterosexual marriage, the couple is opposite sex.
Ultimately, of course, it is God who judges the validity, not man.
Argh
· 1 year ago
I respectfully disagree
Insurance companies and health care benefits can be denied or withheld if lesbian or gay partners are domestic partners instead of having a full valid legal marriage.
Gay or lesbian marriage is no different than conventional marriage, you have two people that love each other so much that they can commit themselves to a permanent relationship.
It is not God that must live with the reality of life but us mere humans.
Indigo
· 1 year ago
Woo-hoo!
sherifffruitfly
· 1 year ago
WOOT!
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
nuneutralobserver2008
Ultimately, of course, it is God who judges the validity, not man. ---
if this is true... why are there bans on gay marriage in US law?
the so called "feel-good" validity may be what you call it... but it means in my state that my partner and I aren't 2nd class citizens.
our state has laws against every kind of discrimination, and yet we had two different types of relationships as defined by law... THAT is why the law was overturned.
how can you have a law claiming no discrimination, and designate two different rules for relationships as viewed by the state?
you can't, as today's decision states.
as for the upcoming fight... gay marriage has passed the legislature TWICE in California, only to be vetoed by the governator.
If a constitutional ban is passed by the voters (if it makes the ballot in November), then our laws on discrimination in this state obviously mean nothing.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
Blueflash Great news. Will the ever more desperate Repubs now try to revive 2004 with this ruling? It did win Ohio for them and with that a second Bush term. This time around they've been at a total loss without a bogeyman and don't know which way to turn. ---
Probably, but then... both hillary and Obama have said they're against gay marriage... but its a decision best left up to the states.
given that their views on this are clear, it hasn't affected their voter turnout.
compare repugnican turnout against Democrat turnout in the primaries (look at the states BEFORE mccain was declared repug nominee to get a better idea).
their turnout is LOOOOOOW. which tells me, as much as they don't like the idea of gay marriage, their frustration with the direction of this country is making them stay home.
BarkerSK33
· 1 year ago
This is very good news. I am happy to hear that California is leading the way for the rest of the country to follow. Hopefully the rest of the nation well begin to wake up and realize that the bigotry and hatred that is expressed towards the Gay community is no different that that which was protested throughout the 1960s and 1970s Civil Rights Movement. It is time for Americans to realize that homosexuality is not a threat to them, marriage or society as a whole and that the Gay community deserves the same rights as any other citizen.
castellan
· 1 year ago
This is awesome. Now, if this kind of ruling would only spread throughout the country. My sister and her partner deserve the same benefits that my wife and I share.
Blueflash
· 1 year ago
nuneutral observer2008 - It means a lot more than just "feel-good validity". When laws treat a minority equally they send a clear message to the citizenry that that minority is worthy of respect and gradually fear and hatred among the citizenry subsides. That of course is exactly what angers the right-wingers. They know gay people pose no danger to heterosexual marriage or anything else for that matter but can't stand the idea of a day when we're no longer despised.
DanInHouston
· 1 year ago
From The decision: we conclude that, under this state’s Constitution, the constitutionally based right to marry properly must be understood to encompass the core set of basic substantive legal rights and attributes traditionally associated with marriage that are so integral to an individual’s liberty and personal autonomy that they may not be eliminated or abrogated by the Legislature or by the electorate through the statutory initiative process.
The ending "MAY NOT BE ELIMINATED...THROUGH THE STATUTORY INITIATIVE PROCESS", means that November 1-man 1-woman initiative has already been ruled unconstitutional!
FunMe
· 1 year ago
Dan is that what it says?
Wow, that's GREAT NEWS!
You mean the amendment/initiative is DOA?
DanInHouston
· 1 year ago
That is what they said - page 6 of the decision.
therepguy
· 1 year ago
It's about time...
therepguy
· 1 year ago
Now it time to do away with all forms of the so called "marriage license" and re-issue all of them as a "civil union" license and be done with all of this hate mongering!
Remembering that the "marriage license" first came into being as a revenue stream for government and as a way to pay for medical testing required before marriage
I only regret is that my lover isn't here to see this...
Rich Houston & San Francisco
ndtovent
· 1 year ago
woohoo! I'm very proud of my home state today, even though I don't live there anymore. kudos to the CA Ct. of Appeals
All Comments
I don't understand those in WV who would not vote for Obama because he is black, or people who say gays have no rights and cannot marry, or any of the other hateful things that have gone on, especially over the Bush years towards others. It simply depresses and saddens me to hear people saying such hateful things.
It is good to see signs of changes coming. Good for California.
Now my state needs to fight the amendment from the CONservative FREAKS!
God Bless the CA Supreme Court and God Bless California.
No matter what ANYONE says, there is NEVER a wrong time to advance fairness and equality. It is NEVER too soon to give full human and civil rights to those who have been denied it.
Now the REAL work begins; in California and across the country! It's time to stand strong and not let the fundamentalists and Republican homophobes MONOPOLIZE the discussion on this.
Remind them that according to their own candidates' word is an issue for the STATES to decide and that is exactly what has happened here. Not only did the Supreme Court support it, the legislature passed it TWICE.
We ALL need to help California defeat the upcoming marriage amendment.
Send your money to Equality California and get involved. We MUST win this one.
A ballot measure makes me sick to my stomach. Hopefully, they didn't have enough real signatures..
Unfortunately, a gay marriage will never be the same as a heterosexual marriage -- for the obvious reason that in a gay marriage, the couple is same-sex and in a heterosexual marriage, the couple is opposite sex.
Ultimately, of course, it is God who judges the validity, not man.
Insurance companies and health care benefits can be denied or withheld if lesbian or gay partners are domestic partners instead of having a full valid legal marriage.
Gay or lesbian marriage is no different than conventional marriage, you have two people that love each other so much that they can commit themselves to a permanent relationship.
It is not God that must live with the reality of life but us mere humans.
Ultimately, of course, it is God who judges the validity, not man.
---
if this is true... why are there bans on gay marriage in US law?
the so called "feel-good" validity may be what you call it... but it means in my state that my partner and I aren't 2nd class citizens.
our state has laws against every kind of discrimination, and yet we had two different types of relationships as defined by law... THAT is why the law was overturned.
how can you have a law claiming no discrimination, and designate two different rules for relationships as viewed by the state?
you can't, as today's decision states.
as for the upcoming fight... gay marriage has passed the legislature TWICE in California, only to be vetoed by the governator.
If a constitutional ban is passed by the voters (if it makes the ballot in November), then our laws on discrimination in this state obviously mean nothing.
Great news. Will the ever more desperate Repubs now try to revive 2004 with this ruling? It did win Ohio for them and with that a second Bush term. This time around they've been at a total loss without a bogeyman and don't know which way to turn.
---
Probably, but then... both hillary and Obama have said they're against gay marriage... but its a decision best left up to the states.
given that their views on this are clear, it hasn't affected their voter turnout.
compare repugnican turnout against Democrat turnout in the primaries (look at the states BEFORE mccain was declared repug nominee to get a better idea).
their turnout is LOOOOOOW. which tells me, as much as they don't like the idea of gay marriage, their frustration with the direction of this country is making them stay home.
we conclude that, under this state’s Constitution, the constitutionally based right to marry properly must be understood to encompass the core set of basic substantive legal rights and attributes traditionally associated with marriage that are so integral to an individual’s liberty and personal autonomy that they may not be eliminated or abrogated by the Legislature or by the electorate through the statutory initiative process.
The ending "MAY NOT BE ELIMINATED...THROUGH THE STATUTORY INITIATIVE PROCESS", means that November 1-man 1-woman initiative has already been ruled unconstitutional!
Wow, that's GREAT NEWS!
You mean the amendment/initiative is DOA?
Remembering that the "marriage license" first came into being as a revenue stream for government and as a way to pay for medical testing required before marriage
I only regret is that my lover isn't here to see this...
Rich
Houston & San Francisco