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AMERICAblog: George Bush's FBI and DOD documented "thousands" of US military members joining far-right extremist groups

  • i420 · 8 months ago
    Hell yea prior and active personal need to be monitored for extremism. I lost count of how many times, otherwise hidden extremists, living in the barracks, were busted for concealing a nazi flag behind their dresser.

    And then there's all the gangs. From the Arian Brotherhood on down to Latinos in M13 and Blacks in the Bloods/Crypts/slash who knows what name they go by anymore...those people, while in uniform, covertly represent criminal/terrorist organizations. (far as i'm concerned, violent gangs are domestic terrorism)

    There is no denying that US military training has long been taken advantage of by people of criminal/terrorist intent. The Bush administration ordered report by the DHS is spot on in assessing those potential threats to homeland security.

    The phony outrage is laughable...good luck finding someone in the US Infantry or Marines that hasn't witnessed, or isn't aware, of extremism's dunderheads plotting action against either fellow citizens or fellow service members.
  • Mark217 · 8 months ago
    I was in the U.S. Army. I know veterans who are white supremacists (or they really despise people of color). There was a lot of racial tension in the military. I know some current national guard members who are affiliated with the KKK and white nationalist groups. I am not aware of any illegal activity on their part (it is not illegal to be associated with these awful groups and it is not illegal to have these racist opinions, but expressing these opinion in the military violates the military's E.O. standards and is very bad for morale and is punishable under the UCMJ. I have seen soliders receive Article 15s for racist comments). The vast majority of America's servicemembers are honorable citizens. I repeat, the vast majority of America's servicemembers are honorable citizens. As Timothy McVeigh and Eric Robert Rudolph showed us, it only takes one person or a small group of individuals to act in a terorist manner against our country and fellow citizens. I don't have any problem with the FBI and other agencies of the federal government evaluating any citizen (including military members and veterans) if they suspect terorist or lawless and violent extremist activity. Military members take an oath to uphold the Constitution against all enemies "foreign and domestic." No one is above the law (something Republicans can't grasp). The full oath is here: http://www.history.army.mil/faq/oaths.htm This oath is very clear. If a servicemember has become a "domestic enemy" that needs to be investigated. McVeigh and Rudolph taught us that. Maybe Steve Buyer should read it. As a veteran, I am concerned about "all enemies foreign and domestic." Apparently, this GOP congressman isn't too worried. I am a member of the American Legion Alexander Hamilton Post 448 (which consists of mostly GLBT members). As a member of the Legion, I can tell you that I don't agree with all of the national Legion's policies and statements.
  • mirth · 8 months ago
    Thank goodness for Janet Napolitano.
  • tofubo · 8 months ago
    it's a modification of the old iokiyar

    it's now, ioktcdfdwwiyara

    it's ok to criticise democrats for doing what UU. did if you're a republican apologist
  • Jophus · 8 months ago
    "Indiana Rep. Steve Buyer, the ranking Republican on the House Veterans' Affairs committee, said it was "inconceivable" that the administration would consider military veterans a potential terrorist threat."

    Evan Bayh, Mitch Daniels, and this guy....... It's being a democrat in Indiana.
  • Jim Olson · 8 months ago
    See John. See the facts. See John use the facts. Use the facts John, use the facts. See the republicans. See the facts. Ignore the facts, republicans, ignore the facts. See John and the republicans. See John once again use the facts to debunk the republicans talking points.
  • Mark217 · 8 months ago
    I was in the U.S. Army. I know veterans who are white supremacists (or they really despise people of color). There was a lot of racial tension in the military. I know some current national guard members who are affiliated with the KKK and white nationalist groups. I am not aware of any illegal activity on their part (it is not illegal to be associated with these awful groups and it is not illegal to have these racist opinions, but expressing these opinion in the military violates the military's E.O. standards and is very bad for morale and is punishable under the UCMJ. I have seen soliders receive Article 15s for racist comments). The vast majority of America's servicemembers are honorable citizens. I repeat, the vast majority of America's servicemembers are honorable citizens. As Timothy McVeigh and Eric Robert Rudolph showed us, it only takes one person or a small group of individuals to act in a terorist manner against our country and fellow citizens. I don't have any problem with the FBI and other agencies of the federal government evaluating any citizen (including military members and veterans) if they suspect terorist or lawless and violent extremist activity. Military members take an oath to uphold the Constitution against all enemies "foreign and domestic." No one is above the law (something Republicans can't grasp). The full oath is here: http://www.history.army.mil/faq/oaths.htm This oath is very clear. If a servicemember has become a "domestic enemy" that needs to be investigated. McVeigh and Rudolph taught us that. Maybe Steve Buyer should read it. As a veteran, I am concerned about "all enemies foreign and domestic." Apparently, this GOP congressman isn't too worried. I am a member of the American Legion Alexander Hamilton Post 448 (which consists of mostly GLBT members). As a member of the Legion, I can tell you that I don't agree with all of the national Legion's policies and statements.
  • Dave of the Jungle · 8 months ago
    Germany in the 1930s has indeed been an apt metaphor.
  • PattyP · 8 months ago
    I've been thinking, if the Repukes quit blocking legislation and fighting other attempts to make sure our vets get decent health care at Walter Reed and the VA hospitals, and not get sent to war zones for 5 tours of duty, and get their PTSD recognized and treated without having to jump through a zillion hoops, and also if the Repukes started treating politician-veterans with the respect they deserve (see: Max Cleland, John Kerry, Tammy Duckworth), then maybe, just maybe, military folks wouldn't be so easily swayed by right-wing extremist groups.

    But what do I know.
  • sandiegopete · 8 months ago
    under the republicans you're only a domestic terrorist threat if you have brown skin, were born overseas, have funny-sounding name or choose to call the diety you worship Allah instead of God

    it's funny how there was almost no mention of domestic terrorists under the bush regime and how all of the extremist wing-nuts rolled over for warrantless domestic spying and increased surveilance under the guise of homeland security all because bush was an idiot and spoke with a texas twang--they probably figured, "he sounds like us and he's as dumb as us so how can he really try to take our rights away"

    now that we have an educated president who happens to have dark skin the extremists are going to crawl out from under their rocks and claim that the current president is going to lead us to the new world order when the former president did more in 8 years to erode our rights than happened in the previous 220 (unless you're gay or from a minority group--then you've been screwed on your rights for years)

    I just hope that the secret service is doing a diligent job of screening white extremists from their corps so that they don't collude with a radical group to allow a threat to the president

    keep in mind that every few years secret service officers (mainly uniformed but from the entire service) are caught being affiliated with white supremicist groups

    this is a serious threat and the fact that fox and the republicans are promoting this type of discourse really does border along the grounds of sedition
  • eyeopening · 8 months ago
    I think the reason there has been an uproar about this story in the first place is that this warning came out under the Obama administration. When I heard about this story here: http://www.newsy.com/videos/u_s_homeland_securi... I thought kind of what Joe Scarboro thought.
  • Mark217 · 8 months ago
    I called Boehner's office and Buyer's office at the D.C. numbers and their legislative aides didn't want to hear what I had to say and even accused me of falsehood. This sort of intentional deafness is exactly what we don't need in government. These people seem to be brainwashed. I am reminded of Bush's apathy about national security warnings ("Al Quaeda determined to strike in USA") prior to 9/11. Republicans are a big threat to national security.
  • Dave of the Jungle · 8 months ago
    Clouding the issue with facts here, again.
  • Indigo · 8 months ago
    It's as if the Whiskey Rebellion that plagued George Washington's administration did not ever really end.
  • nicho · 8 months ago
    Most domestic terrorism has been carried out by gung-ho, right-wing veterans.
  • Discovery2 · 8 months ago
    Through out the 60's and 70's left wing terrorism prevailed. "Far-left groups such as the Weather Underground, the Symbionese Liberation Army, and the Armed Forces for Puerto Rican National Liberation (FALN) used bombings and kidnappings to draw attention to their radical causes."

    "Left-wing extremists caused much of the damage at the 1999 World Trade Organization meeting in Seattle."

    "Environmental extremists were responsible for nearly all the domestic terrorist attacks between 2002 and 2005."

    Try not to make everything up.

    http://www.cfr.org/publication/9236/#6
  • Discovery2 · 8 months ago
    1 attack of thousands of terrorist activities in the past 30 years occurred from one group in the past 30 years. (US Veterans).
    99.9% of terrorist activity occurred from another group. (Foreign Muslims)

    There are 23 Million living war experienced veterans. This is 0.000004% of the living US veterans have the potential of a terrorist attack. There are 588,923 service men from Iraq and Afghanistan – according to this report 0.03% (203) have joined an extremist group. And 9 or 0.001% of activity duty might be part of an extremist group. Instead of investigating the 203 known and the handful of known radical groups for membership - you propose investigating the entire military for the 0.000004% and 0.03%? That is political – not logical.

    Tell me how you feel about a report that says since 99.9% of attacks were caused by foreign born Muslims on Visa’s – all foreign born Muslims on Visa’s are now suspect and worthy of investigation. That would be logical – not political.

    Logic says your priorities are reversed. This isn’t about preventing the next attack.
  • John Aravosis · 8 months ago
    Hey, if you think George Bush's FBI and DOD had another agenda, besides preventing the next attack - since it was they, after all, who decided to issue reports detailing the far-right extremists targeting the military - we're all ears.

    And actually, the two largest terrorist attacks on American soil that I can think of, off hand, were done by Muslims (9/11) and Americans (Oklahoma City). But in any case, do you therefore feel that the FBI and DOD and DHS should stop looking at the threat posed by disgruntled military members?

    And finally, no one said "all" anyone should be suspect. That's a canard. It's also a canard to suggest that we're suddenly going to strip search every member of the military, or whatever it is you're suggesting. Stick to the facts. It's a fact that the domestic terror groups are targeting military members, and it's a fact that thousands of US military were members of extremist groups and gangs. It's also a fact that George Bush was the one who identified this problem. So you need to decide whether or not we investigate all credible threats or not, and stop trying to twist the facts to some massive witchhunt in the military that no one has ever proposed.
  • nicho · 8 months ago
    Let's not forget the veteran who bombed the Atlanta Olympics and then targeted not only women's health clinics and gay bars, but the rescue workers who responded to the 9-11 calls.

    That was pure domestic terrorism -- done by a former Army specialist in explosives.
  • Dave of the Jungle · 8 months ago
    "99.9% of terrorist activity occurred from another group. (Foreign Muslims)"

    Furthermore, 2 + 2 = 22
  • nicho · 8 months ago
    Wow -- enough logical fallacies there to fill a book. . . .
  • John Aravosis · 8 months ago
    I gave this some more thought. If 1,000 extremists were about to be permitted into the United States, you'd find that terribly disturbing, and a cause for immediate action. But if those 1,000 extremists are now hidden among 1.5m good people also coming into the country at the same time, now you're less worried about the 1,000? If anything ,the fact that the 1,000 nasty needles are now hiding in a gigantic good haystack does not give me more comfort. It gives me less. And certainly doesn't lessen the need to weed them out.
  • barbed · 8 months ago
    It does seem to me, though, that it might also call into question the entire efficacy of an all-Volunteer military. I know that no one wants to hear this; but, a military made up of mainly rurual, small-town kids and urban poor is a dangerous mix.
  • whomod · 8 months ago
    What? You thought only allowing right wing hate radio & propaganda and no alternative opinions to air on Armed Forces radio in Iraq during the Bush years was going to produce anything else?
  • m0ggio · 8 months ago
    >>>>>Because they're going to have some serious explaining to do as to just whose side they're on.


    Nope. They won't. Congressional Dems won't say anything. The Media won't say anything.

    It will be business as usual. The same as when Tim blew up the fed. bldg, and the same as when Eric Rudolph was helped by ordinary citizens when he was in hiding in the NC mtns.

    Nothing.

    Even if one or two Dems grew a pair and said something, what would that do? Nothing. They'd have to present a united front which would dove tail with public sentiment (for the 1st time in, what, decades?), and then, maybe, something could be done about home grown terrorists. But, that might just lead to us having IRA or Basque style bombings and clampdowns, back and forth.

    Really, we live by the gun, we will die by the gun, eventually. And those who pull the trigger on their own countrymen will be cheered on by the GOP - that much is crystal clear now.
  • Discovery2 · 8 months ago
    Keep tabs on extremist groups prone to violence. Yes! It would be stupid not to. Reality of the threat isn’t the issue. It is irony not the message.

    At the exact same time this administration drops the use of “terrorism”, “Muslim terrorism”, “Islamic terrorism” it publishes a document on the rise of right wing extremism and the military? We are to never speak of Muslim terrorism again – never suggest any Muslim is capable of becoming a terrorist – and repeatedly express that Islam is a religion of peace? Then in the same breath not even blink an eye reporting future terrorist threats with the military? In today’s administration there is no Islamic terrorism – but there is right wing extremism?

    No one is saying the threat doesn’t exist. And if you miss that point – then of course it sound absurd.

    The DHS choose careful words on downplaying Muslim recruitment as a minority as not to offend. In a 2007 DHS report “activists identifying themselves as jihadists, although a small percentage of Muslims, are increasing”…” http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/hsac-future-...

    That is the irony. Where is the same care, clarity and downplay of minority and respect to our military?

    Since you forgot -
    Major Muslim Attacks or Attempts on US Soil Last 10 Years:
    1993 World Trade Center bombing
    1995 Ramzi Yousef Operation Bijinka Thwarted (precursor to 9/11)
    1996 Khobar Towers bombing at US Embassy in Saudi Arabia
    1998 US embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya.
    2000 USS Cole
    2000 Millennium attack plots thwarted
    2001 Sept 11th
    2006 DC Sniper attacks John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo
    2007 JFK Terror Plot thwarted

    Remember – there is no war. That’s the irony. And it is obviously missed on this group.
  • smallhandff · 8 months ago
    Why did Janet Napolitano issue an apology?
  • mirth · 8 months ago
    She did?

    Do you have a link to that news?
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  • jcdinform · 8 months ago
    The Only Domestic terrorists are the Corporate Elite and the Filth in Washington.