AMERICAblog: Gibbs: President stands behind incest/pedophilia brief
Gridlock
· 5 months ago
Incredible.
"I fully support repealing DOMA as long as someone else makes the push for it, but in the meantime I'm going to defend it using illogical and offensive language that you'd be more used to seeing coming out of Jerry Falwell's mouth, even though i'm under no obligation to do so. After that, I'll try to scramble around some and toss the faggots a meatless bone to get them to shut up, boy I hope it works."
the only way that could be better would be if it somehow incorporated the rainbow or something signifying LGBT. (i.e. wouldn't want to get grouped into the rush "i want the president to fail" limbaugh crowd).
i'm not photo-shop saavy enough to do it.
Vince in Cedar Rapids
· 5 months ago
This is why I say we continue to shut off the flow of money to Democrats. Obama and his entire administration have proven themselves to be a bastion of hate, and our so-called friends in congress, even the gay ones, are afraid to say anything in our defense. To hell with all of them. I am giving my money to bloggers and local politicians that will truly help and care.
Steve
· 5 months ago
Sadly, it's become clear that Robert Gibbs is a clueless, homophobic pig.
fredndallas
· 5 months ago
You are SO right, Steve. Whenever I see him dodge a GLBT question, I can hear the sneer in his voice and just imagine the back slapping jock jerk homophobic derision that spews from his mouth at his very first "private moment" opportunity. He is as transparent as he is void of class and character.
He is no doubt a total reflection of his boss's values, attitudes and disposition. It is indelibly obvious that Barack Obama has a deep dysfunctional personal emotional issue with gay folks. I'm glad that it is getting exposed and is becoming inescapable. The President's ego is going to have to decide what to do. Unfortunately it appears that his arrogance is going to prevail.
tamarz
· 5 months ago
I called the White House today about this and it was obvious they are getting lots of calls on it -- the person responding summed up my views correctly but using words she had clearly been given to use. I tried to call again in order to get a different number and it was busy from then on (tried for 20-30 min). Good sign. Also sent a message regarding how awful the DOMA brief was on whitehouse.gov Have sent an email to most of my contacts about calling and writing on this. We need to get lots of people moving!
judybrowni
· 5 months ago
There was a good idea in the previous thread: I called the DNC today and told them I was a lifelong Democrat, from four generations of Democrats and that today I'd be switching my registration to Independent.
Both for the continued inaction of gay rights, the disgusting action on the defense of DOMA, and the backpedalling on the public option on Healthcare.
"I'll become a Democrat again when Democratic politicians actually serve their constituents."
PHONE NUMBER FOR THE DNC: 877-336-7200 LikeReportReplyMore ▼ Use Media ▼ Optional: Login or Connect Expand ⇗Verifiedblog cowboyneok 1 hour ago I just spoke to a nice lady there and she urged us to call 877-336-7200 and let them know this is not enough. She said they respond to GROUPS calling.
877-336-7200
I let them know I was considering resigning from the party, and I will NOT give them one more dime or help the party in any way until we see some changes. I also said I read the "Fact Sheet" issued from the White House on this memorandum and it is NOT ENOUGH.
Call now!
A
· 5 months ago
I just called the DNC, myself. "Trisha" answered my call and really just let me express my disillusionment and anger while typing furiously. Thanks for sharing the contact info, judybrowni.
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 5 months ago
You're my therapist, right? You can understand my abandonment issues. I trusted him. He said he respected me. He understood me. I believed him, that shit. OK, OK I need to learn to control my anger impulses. That's what I'm paying you for, right? Anyway, it started out so good. He talked the talk, so I thought he would walk the walk in our relationship. Was I being too codependent? Tell me the truth. Yeah, it was an internet thing. I learned about him on the internet, so now I guess I realize that, deep down, it wasn't, like, really REAL, hmm kay? God, he was so great on our first nights out, he told me all about how vulnerable he was growing up because his dad abandoned him, and I got SO turned on when he talked about his dead mother. He idealized her. She raised him, and so I thought, yes, he understood ME, like no other guy ever had. Now I see he's so fucking unavailable, emotionally. That cool facade, yeah, it attracted me. But now I see it for the lack of emotional availability he will probably always have for me. Yes, yes, I am trying to deal with my anger issues . . . Time's up for this session? God, these hours are so goddam short.
offspring
· 5 months ago
brillant
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 5 months ago
ugh... the old law "never trust 'stature' in an internet chatroom" should've been applied.
we all fell for the ol' "AOL inches" and are now dealing with the disappointment that follows.
rduke
· 5 months ago
What a freaking disaster! So we can expect no apology from Obama regarding the hate brief from the DOJ. Tonight looks like it will be the night I am no longer a Democrat. I'm sick of this party of do nothings. All talk and no action. And when they do take action they spit in their supporter's faces and cater to the people that would never vote for them anyway. What a bunch of worthless losers.
Gay people need to have a serious discussion about changing parties. We need a third party, we are getting the same out of the Dems and Repubs. Hate and excuses.
ovadere
· 5 months ago
We need a Harvey Milk for the nation. No more organizations feeding off of our money. No more politicians asking us to wait. And if someone doesn't kill the person this time, that would be great.
offspring
· 5 months ago
just had my mom and brother and sister and five friends call my state reps, and the capital board so go at them my strong powerful beautiful people., dont you dare let up on them at all
FunMe
· 5 months ago
We have no "gay leaders".
Barney Frank is upset but he wants us to give money. Yeah right!
HRC sends a letter to Obama then backtracks by praising today's statement from Obama:
Why do these gay clowns ALWAYS cave? What weasels! So typical to cave - just like the Democrats!
HelenRainier
· 5 months ago
Mr. Gibbs -- I beg to differ with you. The Justice Department is NOT the President's. It is the United States Department of Justice NOT the President Barack Obama Department of Justice.
You have crossed the line and believe the government belongs to the President. It does NOT -- it belongs to WE, THE PEOPLE.
Remember us? We're the ones who foot the bills, who pay your pay check and upon whose backs the government receives its money and benefits.
Get your act together, Mr. Gibbs. In fact, all of you in the federal administration and get your act together and remember who your true taskmasters are.
Here's a CLUE: It's called the United States Constitution and We, the People.
gaydem
· 5 months ago
Mr. Gibbs should simply shrink from embarrassment!
nicho
· 5 months ago
I think that's pretty much the job description of any Blight House spokesliar.
nicho
· 5 months ago
WAIT A MINUTE ! They've finally given us what we all wanted. Hooray:
The Obama administration has changed course and will now allow same-sex couples to use their spouse’s surname when they apply for passports with the US State Department, a gay activist group said today in Boston.
Hot diggity-fucking-dog. You still have no tax benefits, your foreign partner can't come to the US, you are considered equal to pedophiles and people in incestuous relationships, and you can't serve in the military -- but you can get a passport in your husband's name.
Earth to Obama: We could do that before simply by going to court and changing our name legally, and some people have done that. Thanks again for nothing.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 5 months ago
I don't get it... if you legally change your name anyway, they'd have to issue you a passport in the new name.
so... what's changed exactly?
RyansTake
· 5 months ago
if you changed your name through getting married -- as straight couples do -- the feds weren't accepting it. It, apparently, violated DOMA. (THat's how far-sweeping and awful that bill is).
However, people could change their name the old fashioned way. Not through the marriage cert., but through the courts, like my friend who had a long and hard-to-pronounce name and decided to change it to his mother's maiden name, instead.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 5 months ago
if its a LEGAL name change, the married part has no standing in it.
what I don't understand is... why would the federal government have a problem with someone changing their name if its legal in the state they reside in. Name change has NOTHING to do with federal marriage laws.
I can change my name legally to 'Freddy the Wonderdog' at the state level, then apply for a passport.
so I guess I'm confused as to what changed in the federal law... is there a place on the passport for 'married/unmarried'? I don't remember.
Butch1
· 5 months ago
Nothing. It's the old "bait and switch" You think you're getting something finally from them when actually, you had it all the time. They are getting sleazier by the hour.
offspring
· 5 months ago
wow mighty white right of him
TrueBleuCA
· 5 months ago
Correction...
Yes, you can still serve in the Military. You just have to lie about it! What a fucking role model!
eclare
· 5 months ago
And never do anything that may indicate that you have same sex preferences of any kind. See, eg, Lt. Col. Victor Fehrenbach.
melchore
· 5 months ago
From what I understand, that was a judge's ruling...nothing to do with Obama.
fredndallas
· 5 months ago
OMG, it is beyond belief that you said this has nothing to do with Obama.
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 5 months ago
Same-day service for the passport name change: $329.
Two-week standard service: $99.
Obama to the gays: hey faggots, open up yer Prada bags!
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 5 months ago
ahh, its the typical: some people are more equal than others... how much money do you have?
nicho
· 5 months ago
I'm just offended that they think this is a big deal for us. Yes, it's important to some people. But they're throwing out this shit and thinking we're all going to do the Happy Dance.
With every passing minute, it is becoming clearer and clearer that they just don't get it. They need to get our and start listening to someone other than the inside-the-beltway bum kissers.
fredndallas
· 5 months ago
Naw they get it alright. They just are absolutely convinced that they don't have to "give it" -- to GIVE you your Constitutionally mandated equality.
After all, in all respects, the longer they can resist doing that -- the more there is for them.
It's simple power and money greed.
Jay
· 5 months ago
The hypocrisy is stunning. The marriages that you're referring to as incestuous and pedophilia were legal marriages in the jurisdictions that performed them. What gives you the right to judge those marriages?
RyansTake
· 5 months ago
Rahmbo is a genius, man. His policies only threaten to destroy the fucking base of Obama's presidency. Good going, Rahm. Great idea hiring that nitwit, Obama. Just what the doctor ordered!
rickwla
· 5 months ago
I just got off the phone with a very understanding person at the DNC (877-336-7200). In the most professional and polite way possible I ripped the Democrats and the administration a new one.
She could tell my outrage and was very methodical in writing down the points I was making. I made it clear that we wanted action and would no longer accept promises. I told her that Gibbs response to the brief question today just left me speachless.
She took all my contact information, including my cell phone, and said that I would receive a response. She said they've been getting lots of calls so it might be a few days before the chairman issues something. I told her that something better be done pronto because the wound is festering.
Keep up the calls to the DNC and Congress and the White House.
offspring
· 5 months ago
yes all of you keep calling
McLovin
· 5 months ago
Everyone should pledge to not give any more of their hard earned money to another bigoted politician or political party. We really need a new progressive party for this nation. Bill Maher is right on point when he says we have a two parties, a far right wing and a moderate wing. There is no far left wing in our political system like their should be to counter the far right. When you have only far right and center, it will always trend to the right and we need more balance in our political system.
We all thought Obama was the answer, but he is just a bag of hot air with a bag full of nice tags. Remember, we are the change we have been searching for? Change doesn't come from Washington, change comes to Washington. We fell in love with the words and that love was betrayed. We deserve so much better than Obama and his pretty words.
McLovin
· 5 months ago
This is sickening to me. Obama is a fraud. He courted us for our money and votes and once we were no longer needed he cast us aside like an old rag. I'm upset at myself for giving his campaign money, but it's taught me a lesson--isn't that what life supposed to be about? I will never give money to another politician until I see results, from now on it's results first, contribution comes after that.
PAULinDC
· 5 months ago
Check out my new icon ... apologies to the owners of the image. This is my version.
KerrynowCampau
· 5 months ago
"Nope" Good one......
IamSmartypants
· 5 months ago
B.O Stinks On Gay Rights!
That's the sign I plan to carry at my Pride Rally next week.
Vince in Cedar Rapids
· 5 months ago
I am a bit slow, I read that a second time before I "got" it. Very nice. Simple and short but nothing could say it better.
TimF
· 5 months ago
So let me get this straight...
Obama is supposed to write legislation to repeal DADT and DOMA. Obama is then supposed to run it down to congress where Obama chairs the approriate committees and Obama is then supposed to cast the votes to get the bills out of committee. Obama is then supposed to schedule a vote on these bills. Obama is then supposed to cast 51 or 61 votes himself to pass the legislation and then run up to his office where he can sign the bills into law.
Am I close?
He has stated that he'd support a repeal of these laws. Screaming at him isn't going to get a bill on his desk.
Jersey
· 5 months ago
Maybe not but cutting off funding to the dems will surely get noticed.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 5 months ago
funny, he'd support repealing these laws...
and yet HIS DOJ wrote a brief with all the repugnican reasons to support DOMA.
where does he go from there? if congress DOES move to repeal DOMA, does he say the brief from the DOJ was just a joke?
the repugnicans would shred him... you don't start out moving for the repeal of laws by showing all the reasons you believe it should be upheld.
as for your snarky defense... he hasn't shown any of the 'fierce advocacy' he'd claimed when seeking our cash and votes. screaming might not work, but silence NEVER works.
TimF
· 5 months ago
He'd likely be relieved that he doesn't have to defend such a law any longer. By the sounds of it, even if he could repeal all of the crappy laws tomorrow, you'd hate him anyways, so why should be even care at this point?
And in no way am I telling you to be silent. I just think you'd be better served by directing your anger towards folks who have actual power to do something.
Right now it's almost as if you're willing to completely pull the plug on health care, the ecnomy, regulation reform, cap & trade, and all foreign affairs just to get some rights that you know damn well are coming down the road. It sucks to wait, but there is a lot of crap that needs to get done and unfortunately the federal government doesn't operate on shift work.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 5 months ago
I'd hate him?
excuse me, I was a HUGE supporter of Obama... before he forgot about us and then BACKSTABBED us in HIS DOJ's brief.
again, you don't move toward repealing a law by backing the reasons it should be upheld.
If he REALLY wanted to get rid of DOMA, the brief would've essentially said "until it is overturned or found to be unconstitutional, the DOJ will support this law", end of brief.
now... let's talk about the other stuff... healthcare? you seriously think that his ideas might get into legislation that passes?? cap & trade? with half of congress getting lobbying money from wall st. and banks??
the only thing I see him getting anything accomplished on is foreign affairs... maybe the economy if his green proposals aren't shredded completely by the time they pass.
get this straight, I'm not giving the spineless assholes in congress (majority even!) any leeway...
I'm pissed at Obama for strictly personal reasons right now... I've just been told by my 'fierce advocate' that my relationship is akin to an incestuous one or something a pedophile might ingage in.
being that I KNOW you're not gay (or you'd GET that this is personal), you're not getting the anger... a typical "this doesn't affect me, there are so many things more important" response.
NOTHING is more important than civil rights. If we don't fight for mine, who'll make sure they don't take away yours?
Butch1
· 5 months ago
Bravo!!
Steve_in_CNJ
· 5 months ago
strongly disagree. that's the only way to get a bill on his desk. how do you suppose they got the voting rights act on LBJ's desk?
SkippyFlipjack
· 5 months ago
It's called the Bully Pulpit. The President uses it to get stuff done. If he cares about something, he puts it in play by publicly asking for (or demanding) it, and Congress reacts as they see fit.
Remember Bush's tax cuts? Do you think he chaired any committees or cast any votes? No, but it was a campaign promise that he continued to campaign for once in office, and congressional Republicans lined up behind him to get it done. Obama has real power here, and he's doing nothing. That says volumes.
PeteWa
· 5 months ago
...so, all those bills that showed up on Bushco's desk happened in a vacuum, huh? He didn't set the scene as it were?
Your naivete is showing.
mirth
· 5 months ago
Wanna bet?
Butch1
· 5 months ago
When you have Reid saying they can't do anything without Obama's "guidance" what else are we supposed to believe? No one wants to move on this and they continue to pass the hot potato back and forth. Meanwhile, "crickets" from Pelosi. Aren't you just a wee bit angry over this non-leadership especially that they are now in the majority and in power?
PaulinDC
· 5 months ago
GAWD DAMMIT! No one can be this stupid.
Gridlock
· 5 months ago
Seriously, fuck this shit. Fuck this administration. Fuck the useless "allies" telling us to be quiet. Fuck our gay "representatives" that do absolutely nothing.
NO GAY RIGHTS = NO GAY DOLLARS/NO GAY VOTES
The GAY-TM is closed!
bbock
· 5 months ago
That tears it. We've been sold for 30 pieces of silver to the religious right. Any doubt I had is GONE. F the DNC.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 5 months ago
I'm kinda a bit torn... I still like and trust Michelle.
:-(
Gridlock
· 5 months ago
Michelle's judgment is suspect, she married Barack and look how faboo he turned out.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 5 months ago
true... but Jackie married John Kennedy... and he was a walking hormone who did whomever his little head told him to. and I still loved Jackie.
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 5 months ago
Michelle has actually TOUCHED a homosexual: Jason Wu, who does her fabulous frocks!
eclare
· 5 months ago
Although gotta say...I'm not enthralled with his Resort Collection.
That is all.
mattapoisett,ma
· 5 months ago
From today forward, we should only make donations (and limit our votes) to Democrats for federal office who have made written, pubilc pledges to actively work to overturn DADT and DOMA. As for Democrats running at the state level, donations (and votes) shoud be conditioned upon written, public pledges to vote in favor of gay marriage in their respective states. We should avoid giving to organizations like the DNC because, presumably, we cannot control to whom our donations flow.
Gridlock
· 5 months ago
Uh, Obama made written and public pledges and then told us to go to hell regarding them.
rduke
· 5 months ago
Right! It's action or no money and no vote. You can't believe a word they say when they are trying to get elected. We should have known when Obama reversed on FISA and sold out to the corporations that he was a liar.
fredndallas
· 5 months ago
I knew it the minute he FISAd out. This man is a fraud, a liar, an egomaniac, a thief, a cheat, a whore and a jerk -- interesting reflection from our society and its politicians. (Just look at Barney Frank today.)
Our challenge is to not allow the disgust to defeat our motivation in claiming our equality. It is a BIG challenge.
mattapoisett,ma
· 5 months ago
These pledges need to have the same level of prominence as the Republicans' "no new tax" pledge they always take before the New Hampshire primary.
Jim Olson
· 5 months ago
Well, there it is. You cannot be a fierce advocate and still compare us to incest, pedophilia and bestiality. I'm done with Barack.
Jay
· 5 months ago
Bestiality? Where did it say that?
Butch1
· 5 months ago
I'm sure if that homophobic lawyer who wrote this brief thought of it, he would have put it in as well.
FunMe
· 5 months ago
Obama - America's HOMOPHOBIC President!
A
· 5 months ago
Wow. It just keeps getting worser and worser (sic).
Proposal:
How about a campaign to have all of us channel any moneys we'd be giving the DNC or any Democratic candidate or representative, TO OURSELVES - to the HRC, for example, or a new political action campaign formed by someone like John - with the message that we are going to take care of ourselves and fight for our civil rights, since the DNC, the Obama administration and our Democratic Party leaders and representatives seem to it is sufficient to toss the occasional consolation prize our way.
We could do the Jerry Lewis thing and keep a running tab of contributions, because showing them the money feels important.
GLBT Americans and straight family members, friends and allies would be acting along the lines of Hillel's saying, "'If I am not for myself, then who will be for me? And if I am only for myself, then what am I? And if not now, when?'"
tamarz
· 5 months ago
as a straight family members, we're with you!
offspring
· 5 months ago
thank you we need you we value you and we love you for your support
FunMe
· 5 months ago
A big hug to you! I thank you for your support of humanity.
RyansTake
· 5 months ago
I would sooner flush money down the toilet than give it to HRC.
They run off about $40 million a year. What the hell does that buy us? What important bill have they passed in their entire existence? $30 million would pay for around 1,000 field organizers across the country to organize local communities and lobby Congress in coordination with those communities -- getting literally tens of thousands to call, email and show up at the congresscritters' offices. This is what HRC could be with the money they raise. Instead, they're a verifiable cocktail party more obsessed with making nice and getting on TV than actually lifting a finger to expand our rights. They only reason why they've done shit during this entire shit storm is because they were about to be bowled over in all the raging fury.
Butch1
· 5 months ago
The problem in giving money to the HRC is that they give it to the DNC. Why would they be a part of this up and coming party to give money to the DNC? I still do not trust them when they give our money equally to republicans and democrats?
melchore
· 5 months ago
At least with the Republicans we know what we are going to get. The Democratic Party was the party for all and the party that would aid people. I keep feeling like we gave the money for admission to the big event but are being told our ticket isn't valid but we could contribute a little more and perhaps we can talk later.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 5 months ago
thanks for clearing that up for us Mr. gibbs...
BTW, the bush White House never admitted ever doing anything wrong either. looks like Obama is off to a good start at Presidentin', eh?
/snark
BlueJelloElf
· 5 months ago
What an incredibly two-faced response from the president. He keeps giving us words that say he supports equality, but when it comes to action, the thing that really matters, all we get is bigotry. NO GAY RIGHTS = NO GAY $$.
Mpc
· 5 months ago
Hmmmm...anyone remember the President of Uruguay..recently...really recently...no problem for him to say that gays are welcome to serve in the military.. Uruguay!!! Yep..the country with the highest literacy rate in the world. Go figure.
PaulinDC
· 5 months ago
June 25, eh? I can see the Mandarin Oriental from my office.
You know, on Jan 20, I walked home across the Potomac from the National Mall on Inauguration Day, thinking I had rightfully placed my trust (cautiously) in the hands of someone who had publicly committed to acting in my best interest.
Now, I'm dedicated to walking - screw Metro or biking - back across the Potomac to take the broken trust and work however I must for my own equal rights. Man, this pisses me off. Ironically, June 25 would be my parents' 65th wedding anniversary.
Gridlock
· 5 months ago
.. why is that ironic? Inter-racial marriage?
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 5 months ago
the new slogan:
Barrack Obama, a fierce advocate for equal rights... in his heart.
kladinvt
· 5 months ago
Don't forget to send a check to the DNC in the amount of "zero and xx/100."
PaulinDC
· 5 months ago
I like that idea ... here's another: make it out for "zero dollars and 02/100". In the note space, "Here's my two cents: REPEAL DOMA & DADT"
nicho
· 5 months ago
I really like that idea. Send them a check for $0.02. That will really get the message across.
Or make out a check to a GLBT group (of your choice) and send them a photocopy with the message "This could have been yours."
offspring
· 5 months ago
dont waste the paper, give to local gay groups fighting for rights instead of settling or this sight for at least fighting as they have done in the past
offspring
· 5 months ago
i oppose eating dog but still eat chicken makes about as much sense
HereinDC
· 5 months ago
Lucy just pulled the football away as Charlie Brown was about to punt.
I feel like Charlie Brown right now.
offspring
· 5 months ago
ok it is less than a few hours, one thing that HAS to happen no matter if it helps we now have the numbers that are needed to call in our thoughts, everyone get on the phone to all your friends to all your relatives, give them the number but also the number of your state reps, then FLOOD i mean biblically flood the hell out of the phones. NOGAYRIGHTS=NO GAY$$ + NO GAY VOTE + NO FRIENDS OR FAMILY $$ OR VOTES. PERIOD ALL OR NOTHING PERIOD
TrueBleuCA
· 5 months ago
HRC on MSNBC now. What a whimpy Obamapologeticist! HRC - You better put my last dollar I gave you in a safe place, because you have seen the last one from me!
offspring
· 5 months ago
HRC in oklahoma proved how cowardly they where years ago, left us in a fight we couldnt win alone it got tough they left.
Keith & Dustin
· 5 months ago
I'm beginning to think these organizations are like the insurance industry. There's no money in a cure, only preventative medicine. HRC would lose millions in donations if we actually received equal rights.
JohnNation
· 5 months ago
You know... Hillary called his ideas during the campaign "change you can Xerox." At the time I thought that was a harsh and perhaps even dishonest appraisal.
Turns out she was correct. He copied off of Dumbya.
aggieric
· 5 months ago
Update on Tammy Baldwin, if it's not yet been posted here: Baldwin's press secretary reports that Baldwin will appear on Rachel Maddow tonight.
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 5 months ago
Sapphoriffic!
Let's hope Rachel probes deeply and doesn't let Tammy just be all "disappointed" and stuff.
offspring
· 5 months ago
as far as health care why doesnt some smarter gay people that are in the business start a gay insurance company i would go for it.
kate
· 5 months ago
Just saw Lara Schwartz from HRC on MSNBC - She was talking about how this employee benefits thing was a great first step. I was shaking my head. Is that how HRC will play this?
Gridlock
· 5 months ago
they don't want to get locked out of all the galas and dinners!
Fuck the HRC too. NO MONEY FOR THEM EITHER.
Let them pay for their princely palace with someone else's hard earned money. Enjoy the power turning off, assholes.
Blueflash
· 5 months ago
Really? I'm a monthly donor but maybe not for much longer. Was thinking of dropping them till they issued their letter condemning the DOMA brief, then relented, now thinking of dropping them again.
fredndallas
· 5 months ago
That the HRC got on its knees today for this crap ends it for them as far as I'm concerned. Just imagine how smug Barack Obama and his band of homophobes are right now about getting our own largest organization and our most tenured elected official to be THEIR cheer leaders while they set back GLBT equality ten years or so.
I have not see a wake up call like this to our community since the horror of AIDS became similarly obvious. We need to look back at how we survived then and use that as our model now. It damned sure was not based upon confidence or trust in politicians!
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 5 months ago
someone should send them John's earlier post... it seems like nothing is gained by this 'memorandum' that the employees didn't already have.
push that on the HRC.
offspring
· 5 months ago
they need to stop saying he is signing a bill for alllll federal employees the military gays get nothing if my brothers and sisters by the triangle, dont get all i dont want any.
offspring
· 5 months ago
we need to vote as a people, think as a people spend as a people, not as gay lesbian bi trans bottom top old young and so on be the people that those before us fought and died for struggle to make us be.
TrueBleuCA
· 5 months ago
AMEN
offspring
· 5 months ago
wolf on cnn is talking about it off course he has the counter interviewer that is republican .. why?
offspring
· 5 months ago
why not be interviewing a gay person gee
TrueBleuCA
· 5 months ago
You can tell everytime Gibbs gets a question about DOMA, DADT, ENDA or any other issues important to our community and he gets all fidgety and uncomfortable. The level of his discomfort is vividly clear, and his speech gets stuttered and you can tell he would rather be anywhere else at that instant. How sad a many in his position cannot respond coherently when asked these questions.
offspring
· 5 months ago
i have noticed, he almost gets mad like how dare you
rickwla
· 5 months ago
Anyone have a link to the video? We want to see just how unconformtable it was. I just mind blowing that the administration would not have taken the chance to step back from those statements.
eclare
· 5 months ago
It's so weird - like he is always caught off guard whenever someone asks a question about LGBT rights. You'd think he would have at least prepared and practiced a crappy non-answer.
HereinDC
· 5 months ago
As words of Judge Judy: "Don't Pee Down My Leg and Tell Me It's Raining"
This is not some big hoopla us gay folks are going to be popping champagne over tonight!
nahhhhhhh
Butch1
· 5 months ago
This administration brought out these bogus treats for us only to divide the passive, kool-aid drinking gays that are still in denial that Obama would do this to us, from those who can see clearly what the democratic party isn't doing for us or a president who promised he would be a fierce advocate for our rights. If they can divide and conquer us as a community, they will have won this little battle with us and the passive kool-aid Pollyanna's will continue to give them money and continue to believe their pathetic lies, meanwhile, getting nothing in return but rhetoric, etc.
offspring
· 5 months ago
ah the stratagy begins, we have alot going on right now this isnt high up on the whole hey my rights to life liberty and happiness are way way way f'n up there actually it is number one for my rights incompass my health insurance, my job, my retirement
rickwla
· 5 months ago
Has anyone called the White House today? I was wondering what their reaction has been before I invest any more emotional energy in trying to convey to them the depth of our anger.
offspring
· 5 months ago
i called a woman answered they take down your points then your info then give you a polite yet noticeable stage answer but call for gods sake for all our sake call now is the time to do it
offspring
· 5 months ago
they have spent more time on this damn fly swat story than us that is rich man
disillusioned
· 5 months ago
"Well, it's the President's Justice Department.."
I have a feeling he's probably not very happy with his justice department over this. But if he were to fire or publicly dress them down, it would give the Mormons ammo to say their religious freedom is under attack because their guy in the DOJ is getting spanked for doing his job the best he can.
rduke
· 5 months ago
And it is so important that he not piss off the 0 Mormons that financially support his campaign and voted for him!
TrueBleuCA
· 5 months ago
Well if he's doing it the best he can, I hear they are hiring at SeaWorld. Better start looking for more competent DOJ lawyers! BTW was the jerk that wrote this brief a holdover from the Bush DOJ. I am curious.
nicho
· 5 months ago
Yes, but one of Obama's people was on the case too. So, it's a toss-up. The Mormon bigot is the lead counsel -- kind of like letting a white supremacist be in charge of an affirmative action case.
rickwla
· 5 months ago
But his boss is Tony West, who's name is on the brief, and is an Obama appointee. So there's no excuses and this can't be blamed on a holdover from Bush. This has Obama's fingerprints all over it.
fredndallas
· 5 months ago
Of course Obama's homophobic spit in your eye is all over this garbage. Another poster revealed that the worst of the worst right-wing Christo-fascist organization attorneys are listed as receiving "of counsel" or courtesy copies of what Obama's DOJ puked up.
Remember Rick Warren?
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 5 months ago
umm... isn't the guy who wrote the brief a mormon himself?
TrueBleuCA
· 5 months ago
Hey I'm inviting you all to a little weekend bash in October in Washington D.C. - You do know how to march, correct? Thought so! See you there!
Maybe John can buy us all a beer?
fredndallas
· 5 months ago
I'm not sure what to do, but I'm very convinced that a march is not going to do it. That's what they are expecting us to do ... "oh the queers are marching again".
No, we must do something that is appropriate to the times, to the betrayal, to the arrogance and to the outrage.
TrueBleuCA
· 5 months ago
Hey if it seems to be working in Iran?
fredndallas
· 5 months ago
You may have a point, but there it appears to be a really significant portion of the population and their issue is the legitimacy of the entire government. We are only 8% or so at best and our issue is almost universally seen as "selfish".
Now IF we could get our grandparents, parents, our sybs, our aunts, our uncles, our cousins, our neighbors and our coworkers to march with/for us, that would certainly work.
Alas, not a chance.
Butch1
· 5 months ago
With that kind of "support" I would rather not have him bother "helping" us gain all our rights. With him it's "two-steps backward and one step forward." We'll never get our full and equal rights with him "helping" us like this.
Jay
· 5 months ago
The jurisdictions where the marriages were performed did not think they were incest or pedophilia.
It's ironic that you're making a moral judgment about the quality of the marriages in those cases that you don't believe people should make about gay marriage.
offspring
· 5 months ago
dont let it die down tomorrow as our short term memory kicks in and the new news cycle kicks in remember today as a trator's day
woodroad34
· 5 months ago
If I buy a product and it later turns out defective, I take it back to the store to get my money back. Isn't there some kind of return policy for donations? Fair is fair...don't get my money's worth, then I get a refund. It's just thievery, otherwise.
rduke
· 5 months ago
Just called the DNC and told them they lost a donor and a voter. I used to have a recurring monthly withdrawl given to the DNC. No more.
The girl on the phone was very nice and polite and said she would be sure my concerns are heard. I encourage everyone to call.
livid_gay
· 5 months ago
I did the same, and so did my partner. 877-336-7200 for contributions.
Brian
· 5 months ago
Holy crap, this just made it worse. When that retard Sotomayor made some mistatements they walked that back hard. Now the DOJ compares gays to child molestors and its acceptable? No more money from me.
Jay
· 5 months ago
Retard? Child molesters? Freeper?
travelingman.rick
· 5 months ago
Total Bullshit...
Dennis
· 5 months ago
So if President Obama stands behind the DOJ DoMA brief which conflates consenting gay adult couples with pedophiles and incestors, and if President Obama supports through the repeal of DoMA through legislative means, then wouldn't it follow that President Obama also supports allowing the federal government to recognize marriages between incestuous and pedophilic couples?
The whole of the DOJ logic is so twisted that if Barack Obama wants to have it both ways, then let's use the DOJ logic against him. Namely, that President Obama supports federal recognition of marriages between blood relatives and between adults and children.
Dewey Seid
· 5 months ago
We should have know Obama would screw GLBT people when he had the right wing homophobe Rick Warren to give his invocation at his inauguration which created an uproar. So Obama belatedly invited the gay bishop, Gene Robinson to give an invocation at the Lincoln Memorial concert event...NOT the inauguration... So you say that great?? Obama's people had Bishop Robinson speak just before the event was scheduled to be historically recorded and televised live nationally. Oops, it wasn't a mistake that the gay bishop was supposed to be a crumb to the gay community that fully supported Obama with donations and volunteering very early on but Obama was embaressed to be even seen publicly with gays. He and his people made sure an official visual recording of a gay bishop giving an invocation never would exist historically. I disassociate myself from you, Obama. How dare you compare our relationships to incest. You are exploitingly deceitful.
BoBo from Texas
· 5 months ago
Obama is stedfastly against gay marriage yet the our leaders told us not to listen to his plain language because he was really our "friend". I know who who the community should be mad at and it's not Obama. He told anyone listening where he really stands.
Dan
· 5 months ago
Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. A cliche and a truism.
Grant Smith
· 5 months ago
It's time to match this political farce: let's out a "make divorce illegal" in California initiative on the ballot. The whole system has become such a joke; why not fight fire with fire. F8ck 'em, I say.
mauirich
· 4 months ago
I hope everybody will stop this fiction about the DOMA brief before it does harm. I have read the brief and it does not compare gays to child molesters or incestuous uncles. It cited cases having to do with the minimum age to marry and the right of cousins to marry. That was not to compare gays to anybody. The reason for citing the cases was to show that the Court has held that States are not always required to recognize the laws of other states, nothing more. And I give the Obama administration credit for upholding a constitutional law as it is rather than ignoring laws and precedents like Bush did to support any cause he was interested in - ignoring precedent, science or anything else that stood in his way. Obama has to get the approval of Congress to change DOMA and DADT. That will take time but he will do it. Things like Economic Stimulus, Health care Reform, War, and Climate Change affect everyone, including Gays. Relax, he has some big fish to fry right now.
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"I fully support repealing DOMA as long as someone else makes the push for it, but in the meantime I'm going to defend it using illogical and offensive language that you'd be more used to seeing coming out of Jerry Falwell's mouth, even though i'm under no obligation to do so. After that, I'll try to scramble around some and toss the faggots a meatless bone to get them to shut up, boy I hope it works."
i'm not photo-shop saavy enough to do it.
He is no doubt a total reflection of his boss's values, attitudes and disposition. It is indelibly obvious that Barack Obama has a deep dysfunctional personal emotional issue with gay folks. I'm glad that it is getting exposed and is becoming inescapable. The President's ego is going to have to decide what to do. Unfortunately it appears that his arrogance is going to prevail.
I tried to call again in order to get a different number and it was busy from then on (tried for 20-30 min). Good sign.
Also sent a message regarding how awful the DOMA brief was on whitehouse.gov
Have sent an email to most of my contacts about calling and writing on this. We need to get lots of people moving!
from four generations of Democrats and that today I'd be switching my registration to Independent.
Both for the continued inaction of gay rights, the disgusting action on the defense of DOMA, and the backpedalling on the public option on Healthcare.
"I'll become a Democrat again when Democratic politicians actually serve their constituents."
PHONE NUMBER FOR THE DNC: 877-336-7200
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I let them know I was considering resigning from the party, and I will NOT give them one more dime or help the party in any way until we see some changes. I also said I read the "Fact Sheet" issued from the White House on this memorandum and it is NOT ENOUGH.
Call now!
we all fell for the ol' "AOL inches" and are now dealing with the disappointment that follows.
Gay people need to have a serious discussion about changing parties. We need a third party, we are getting the same out of the Dems and Repubs. Hate and excuses.
Barney Frank is upset but he wants us to give money. Yeah right!
HRC sends a letter to Obama then backtracks by praising today's statement from Obama:
http://www.hrcbackstory.org/2009/06/hrc-stateme...
Why do these gay clowns ALWAYS cave?
What weasels! So typical to cave - just like the Democrats!
You have crossed the line and believe the government belongs to the President. It does NOT -- it belongs to WE, THE PEOPLE.
Remember us? We're the ones who foot the bills, who pay your pay check and upon whose backs the government receives its money and benefits.
Get your act together, Mr. Gibbs. In fact, all of you in the federal administration and get your act together and remember who your true taskmasters are.
Here's a CLUE: It's called the United States Constitution and We, the People.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/...
The Obama administration has changed course and will now allow same-sex couples to use their spouse’s surname when they apply for passports with the US State Department, a gay activist group said today in Boston.
Hot diggity-fucking-dog. You still have no tax benefits, your foreign partner can't come to the US, you are considered equal to pedophiles and people in incestuous relationships, and you can't serve in the military -- but you can get a passport in your husband's name.
Earth to Obama: We could do that before simply by going to court and changing our name legally, and some people have done that. Thanks again for nothing.
so... what's changed exactly?
However, people could change their name the old fashioned way. Not through the marriage cert., but through the courts, like my friend who had a long and hard-to-pronounce name and decided to change it to his mother's maiden name, instead.
what I don't understand is... why would the federal government have a problem with someone changing their name if its legal in the state they reside in. Name change has NOTHING to do with federal marriage laws.
I can change my name legally to 'Freddy the Wonderdog' at the state level, then apply for a passport.
so I guess I'm confused as to what changed in the federal law... is there a place on the passport for 'married/unmarried'? I don't remember.
Yes, you can still serve in the Military. You just have to lie about it! What a fucking role model!
Two-week standard service: $99.
Obama to the gays: hey faggots, open up yer Prada bags!
With every passing minute, it is becoming clearer and clearer that they just don't get it. They need to get our and start listening to someone other than the inside-the-beltway bum kissers.
After all, in all respects, the longer they can resist doing that -- the more there is for them.
It's simple power and money greed.
She could tell my outrage and was very methodical in writing down the points I was making. I made it clear that we wanted action and would no longer accept promises. I told her that Gibbs response to the brief question today just left me speachless.
She took all my contact information, including my cell phone, and said that I would receive a response. She said they've been getting lots of calls so it might be a few days before the chairman issues something. I told her that something better be done pronto because the wound is festering.
Keep up the calls to the DNC and Congress and the White House.
We all thought Obama was the answer, but he is just a bag of hot air with a bag full of nice tags. Remember, we are the change we have been searching for? Change doesn't come from Washington, change comes to Washington. We fell in love with the words and that love was betrayed. We deserve so much better than Obama and his pretty words.
That's the sign I plan to carry at my Pride Rally next week.
Obama is supposed to write legislation to repeal DADT and DOMA. Obama is then supposed to run it down to congress where Obama chairs the approriate committees and Obama is then supposed to cast the votes to get the bills out of committee. Obama is then supposed to schedule a vote on these bills. Obama is then supposed to cast 51 or 61 votes himself to pass the legislation and then run up to his office where he can sign the bills into law.
Am I close?
He has stated that he'd support a repeal of these laws. Screaming at him isn't going to get a bill on his desk.
and yet HIS DOJ wrote a brief with all the repugnican reasons to support DOMA.
where does he go from there? if congress DOES move to repeal DOMA, does he say the brief from the DOJ was just a joke?
the repugnicans would shred him... you don't start out moving for the repeal of laws by showing all the reasons you believe it should be upheld.
as for your snarky defense... he hasn't shown any of the 'fierce advocacy' he'd claimed when seeking our cash and votes. screaming might not work, but silence NEVER works.
And in no way am I telling you to be silent. I just think you'd be better served by directing your anger towards folks who have actual power to do something.
Right now it's almost as if you're willing to completely pull the plug on health care, the ecnomy, regulation reform, cap & trade, and all foreign affairs just to get some rights that you know damn well are coming down the road. It sucks to wait, but there is a lot of crap that needs to get done and unfortunately the federal government doesn't operate on shift work.
excuse me, I was a HUGE supporter of Obama... before he forgot about us and then BACKSTABBED us in HIS DOJ's brief.
again, you don't move toward repealing a law by backing the reasons it should be upheld.
If he REALLY wanted to get rid of DOMA, the brief would've essentially said "until it is overturned or found to be unconstitutional, the DOJ will support this law", end of brief.
now... let's talk about the other stuff... healthcare? you seriously think that his ideas might get into legislation that passes?? cap & trade? with half of congress getting lobbying money from wall st. and banks??
the only thing I see him getting anything accomplished on is foreign affairs... maybe the economy if his green proposals aren't shredded completely by the time they pass.
get this straight, I'm not giving the spineless assholes in congress (majority even!) any leeway...
I'm pissed at Obama for strictly personal reasons right now... I've just been told by my 'fierce advocate' that my relationship is akin to an incestuous one or something a pedophile might ingage in.
being that I KNOW you're not gay (or you'd GET that this is personal), you're not getting the anger... a typical "this doesn't affect me, there are so many things more important" response.
NOTHING is more important than civil rights. If we don't fight for mine, who'll make sure they don't take away yours?
Remember Bush's tax cuts? Do you think he chaired any committees or cast any votes? No, but it was a campaign promise that he continued to campaign for once in office, and congressional Republicans lined up behind him to get it done. Obama has real power here, and he's doing nothing. That says volumes.
He didn't set the scene as it were?
Your naivete is showing.
NO GAY RIGHTS = NO GAY DOLLARS/NO GAY VOTES
The GAY-TM is closed!
:-(
That is all.
Our challenge is to not allow the disgust to defeat our motivation in claiming our equality. It is a BIG challenge.
Proposal:
How about a campaign to have all of us channel any moneys we'd be giving the DNC or any Democratic candidate or representative, TO OURSELVES - to the HRC, for example, or a new political action campaign formed by someone like John - with the message that we are going to take care of ourselves and fight for our civil rights, since the DNC, the Obama administration and our Democratic Party leaders and representatives seem to it is sufficient to toss the occasional consolation prize our way.
We could do the Jerry Lewis thing and keep a running tab of contributions, because showing them the money feels important.
GLBT Americans and straight family members, friends and allies would be acting along the lines of Hillel's saying, "'If I am not for myself, then who will be for me? And if I am only for myself, then what am I? And if not now, when?'"
They run off about $40 million a year. What the hell does that buy us? What important bill have they passed in their entire existence? $30 million would pay for around 1,000 field organizers across the country to organize local communities and lobby Congress in coordination with those communities -- getting literally tens of thousands to call, email and show up at the congresscritters' offices. This is what HRC could be with the money they raise. Instead, they're a verifiable cocktail party more obsessed with making nice and getting on TV than actually lifting a finger to expand our rights. They only reason why they've done shit during this entire shit storm is because they were about to be bowled over in all the raging fury.
BTW, the bush White House never admitted ever doing anything wrong either. looks like Obama is off to a good start at Presidentin', eh?
/snark
Uruguay!!! Yep..the country with the highest literacy rate in the world. Go figure.
You know, on Jan 20, I walked home across the Potomac from the National Mall on Inauguration Day, thinking I had rightfully placed my trust (cautiously) in the hands of someone who had publicly committed to acting in my best interest.
Now, I'm dedicated to walking - screw Metro or biking - back across the Potomac to take the broken trust and work however I must for my own equal rights. Man, this pisses me off. Ironically, June 25 would be my parents' 65th wedding anniversary.
Barrack Obama, a fierce advocate for equal rights... in his heart.
Or make out a check to a GLBT group (of your choice) and send them a photocopy with the message "This could have been yours."
I feel like Charlie Brown right now.
Turns out she was correct. He copied off of Dumbya.
Let's hope Rachel probes deeply and doesn't let Tammy just be all "disappointed" and stuff.
Fuck the HRC too. NO MONEY FOR THEM EITHER.
Let them pay for their princely palace with someone else's hard earned money. Enjoy the power turning off, assholes.
I have not see a wake up call like this to our community since the horror of AIDS became similarly obvious. We need to look back at how we survived then and use that as our model now. It damned sure was not based upon confidence or trust in politicians!
push that on the HRC.
This is not some big hoopla us gay folks are going to be popping champagne over tonight!
nahhhhhhh
I have a feeling he's probably not very happy with his justice department over this. But if he were to fire or publicly dress them down, it would give the Mormons ammo to say their religious freedom is under attack because their guy in the DOJ is getting spanked for doing his job the best he can.
Remember Rick Warren?
Maybe John can buy us all a beer?
No, we must do something that is appropriate to the times, to the betrayal, to the arrogance and to the outrage.
Now IF we could get our grandparents, parents, our sybs, our aunts, our uncles, our cousins, our neighbors and our coworkers to march with/for us, that would certainly work.
Alas, not a chance.
It's ironic that you're making a moral judgment about the quality of the marriages in those cases that you don't believe people should make about gay marriage.
The girl on the phone was very nice and polite and said she would be sure my concerns are heard. I encourage everyone to call.
The whole of the DOJ logic is so twisted that if Barack Obama wants to have it both ways, then let's use the DOJ logic against him. Namely, that President Obama supports federal recognition of marriages between blood relatives and between adults and children.
Obama's people had Bishop Robinson speak just before the event was scheduled to be historically recorded and televised live nationally. Oops, it wasn't a mistake that the gay bishop was supposed to be a crumb to the gay community that fully supported Obama with donations and volunteering very early on but Obama was embaressed to be even seen publicly with gays. He and his people made sure an official visual recording of a gay bishop giving an invocation never would exist historically. I disassociate myself from you, Obama. How dare you compare our relationships to incest. You are exploitingly deceitful.
And I give the Obama administration credit for upholding a constitutional law as it is rather than ignoring laws and precedents like Bush did to support any cause he was interested in - ignoring precedent, science or anything else that stood in his way.
Obama has to get the approval of Congress to change DOMA and DADT. That will take time but he will do it.
Things like Economic Stimulus, Health care Reform, War, and Climate Change affect everyone, including Gays. Relax, he has some big fish to fry right now.