AMERICAblog: Gingrich pushes Hillary candidacy on "The View"
Nigel Elliott
· 1 year ago
MSNBC: Obama press conference in Winston-Salem-Marlboro, NC to start in moments.
jr
· 1 year ago
"Obama's an elitist who wouldn't leave his wife if she had cancer like I did"-Newt
Eyeball_Kid
· 1 year ago
Gingrich is the last person who should be given credibility if he's supporting an HRC candidacy. If HRC does get the nomination, Gingrich will be the first person on FoxNews to trash the bejesus out of Hillary. Gingrich's only interest is in getting the most vulnerable opposition candidate to attack in the general election. He knows that Obama will be more formidable and has less baggage. He knows that Hillary's background is full of political scandals and that Hillary herself is more prone to using dirty politics, which will continue to lower her negative numbers.
It's a tactic to a larger strategy.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
I just don't get this explosion of "Dear Abby" tipsheets from infamous Rethuglicans... Like I'm waiting for Terry Jefferies (shudder) ...Voice like The Simpsons fat comic shop owner...I can see him eating a field mouse.
Nigel Elliott
· 1 year ago
Obama's "Sista Soldja" moment?
Senator Obama's taking questions at his press conference denouncing his former pastor's speech at the press club yesterday.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Prezzildent, --------------------------------------------------------------------------- LOL on Terry Jefferies voice! He gives both of us the total creeps....
MoonDragon
· 1 year ago
These guys aren't pro Clinton. They are pro not-in-the lead. I don't think Clinton is the better candidate, but I do think that, if the situation were reversed, these guys would be pushing Barack Obama. It is to John McCain's advantage to defocus the Democratic message to the point of autophagious (sp?) behavior.
At some point, someone's going to have to act like an adult and drop out. I would think Ms. Clinton would be the obvious choice since her winning strategy is based on capturing a declining demographic (to which I belong).
md
Unless someone gets on the stick about election (vs voter) fraud, PA could be decidedly (by ES&S) red by next cycle.
michaelt
· 1 year ago
what to do when obama gets pushed aside for hillary?
it's becoming crystal clear that is exactly what will happen.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Busboy ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why is THE VIEW off of your viewing list?
PeteWa
· 1 year ago
Newt "Adultery" Gingrich... the guy who pushed the hardest (pun intended) against Bill for the Monica affair while he himself was engaged in extra-marital infidelity (he was divorced from his first wife while she was recovering from cancer in the hospital because of cheating on her, and he also had an affair while married to his second wife, who he then divorced) is now pushing hard for Hillary? What a randy fellow.
GrahamCrackerDC
· 1 year ago
" Hillary actually has more votes than Obama (which is absolutely untrue"
1. Depends on your point of view. In terms of popular vote (which includes Michigan and Florida) she ABSOLUTELY HAS MORE VOTES. In terms of delegates (which does not include MI or FL -- yet), she has less.
2. I;m curious, John. If Hillary Clinton gets the nomination, will you stand by all the trash you've hurled at her lately, and vote for McCain?
devlzadvocate
· 1 year ago
Right on.
I recall a time when this blog was pro-Hillary. Wha' happened?
I thought we counted all the votes since 2000.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
"He just told ABC's audience that Hillary actually has more votes than Obama (which is absolutely untrue, though it is a new lie the Clintons came up with last week)"
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actually... TECHNICALLY, its true... if you add the states where Obama wasn't on the ballot because their process was invalidated.
so... hillary... I took a presidental vote around Hillcrest, among my friends... where the two choices were myself and Joseph Stalin... and I won (Stalin only got one vote... I'm no longer speaking to THAT bitch).
Pledged delegates Obama is ahead Superdelegates Obama is behind Popular vote Obama is ahead
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
It is NOT TRUE that Hillary has more popular votes than Obama, technically or by the seat of your pants.
IF you add Hillary's votes in Florida in you need to include Obama's and then she has LESS.
IF you want to add in Michigans votes, you simply cannot do so in any fair manner as BOTH agreed it would NOT count AND Obama was not even on the ballot.
So please, let us keep this an honest discussion...
Nigel Elliott
· 1 year ago
Polly_Tics,
Honest discussion? How? Nothing "honest" about the Clintons. There is no way she can win. Florida and Michigan don't count because Hillary's campaign staff voted not to seat the delegates before she needed them. Flip flop, lying Clinton.
Nigel Elliott
· 1 year ago
Hillary Clinton is a Republican. If she steals the Democratic nominee, McCain wins by a landslide. Democrats can't win trying to be Republicans. Americans want a choice and change. Hillary provides neither.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Wow, when Obama denounces he doesn't mince words. He cannot make it any more clear that Wright is a self-serving fellow on some type of mission.
Ginger_FL
· 1 year ago
Florida vote also includes about 14% for Edwards ..... I don't think it's fair to count FL or MI unless they are done over.
MI was completely screwed since Hillbot cheated and put her name on the ballot while the others did not.
GrahamCrackerDC
· 1 year ago
"IF you want to add in Michigans votes, you simply cannot do so in any fair manner as BOTH agreed it would NOT count AND Obama was not even on the ballot."
Might not have been fair but it was legal.
Obama voluntarily took his name off the ballot.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
NIgel, I agree! anyone who ATTEMPTS to try to con the people about this popular vote ILLUSION is simply another dishonest lying pol, and god knows we have far too many of them in this election!
michaelt
· 1 year ago
i will not vote for clinton.
under any circumstances.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Graham Cracker ---------------------------------------------------------------------- THEY ALSO AGREED IT WOULDN'T COUNT!
Nigel Elliott
· 1 year ago
Polly_Tics,
Give it up. You can speak logic to Hillbots. She can't be denied. Hillary might even pull a Lieberman and run as an Indy just to spite the Democrats. Hillary is a pro-war neocon traitor. Period.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
I won't vote for a Clinton ever again.
IF she manages to screw this primary up and get on the ticket, I will write in Obama's name.
Chris From Maine
· 1 year ago
the right wing still hates hillary. have no doubt of that. they are scared of Obama and want the nomination fight to go all the way to the convention.
when the nominee (obama) is chosen, they will go back to hating Hillary.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Chris, ----------------------------------------------------------------- I have got to disagree with you on this one. Hill has done quite a lot over the last few years in cozying up to the Republicans and even the far right of the party's worst slime.
They DO want to run against her because they think she's an easier ticket, BUT make no bones about it, I am sure she will end up in a Republican administration. Both she and Joey (Lieberman) will be front and center.
jaclemons222
· 1 year ago
Polly-Tics writes:
"BUT make no bones about it, I am sure she will end up in a Republican administration..."
You're sure are you? I'm sure you're wrong but more than that, I'm sure it's people like you who will sow the seeds of defeat for Democrats this year. Hillary and Bill Clinton have been working to advance Democratic causes for their entire adult lives. Along comes a bunch of childish idiots who think it's a swell idea to toss them out of the party. Guess what? You can leave the party. I know for sure there are many people all across the country who would mourn their loss. I doubt we'd miss you at all.
LunaStick
· 1 year ago
Oh yeah, the clinton's have done such a great job of advancing the Democratic agenda and moving the party forward huh? OH WAIT! No they haven't! They helped lead to the fatigue that brought us W! How dare us not be greatful for what they have done! If they represent the Democraric Party at it's finest, it's time for a new party because we the PEOPLE can do better than those two lying, parsing say anything to win only to turn on the working class "Democrats".
jaclemons222
· 1 year ago
LunaStick writes:
"If they represent the Democraric Party at it's finest, it's time for a new party because we the PEOPLE can do better than those two lying, parsing say anything to win only to turn on the working class "Democrats".
We the people? What am I then? A billygoat? We can do better right? Like Obama? He denounces his pastor only when he becomes a liability and you call it courage? A "transcendent", "post-racial", "inspired" candidate would have defended the Rev. and explained to Democrats, Independents and Republicans that being black in america means having an entirely different view of our history and what patriotism means. He would have explained that the anger Rev. Wright speaks to is very real and if we ever plan on getting to a truly post racial America, we need to see it ourselves and others as they truly are, not as some strawman. Obama didn't do that did he? He gave in when it got tough. He tossed his friend of twenty years to the wolves to save his own skin.
LunaStick
· 1 year ago
"What am I then? A billygoat?"
Yes, you are a billygoat.
jaclemons222
· 1 year ago
Are there really people out there who care about american flag lapel pins? If Osama Bin Laden wore one, would he too be a patriot?
LunaStick
· 1 year ago
jaclemons222, yes there are people who care about flag pins. They are called republicans. Of course they don't have to wear them themselves. Too gauche apparently
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Graham
Excuse me, but ALL Democratic candidates signed an agreement that stated in no uncertain terms that Florida and Michigan would not be seated due to their jumping ahead of other states. ALL knew what the signing meant. and ALL agreed. Now the losing candidate wants to pretend she doesn't like what is being done to those states.
Spin it all you want, it won't fly.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Nigel, -------------------------------------------------------------- Actually I think she and McSame have plans to either run together OR be in his administration. She is HELPING him win this thing...
Coming Undone
· 1 year ago
If Hillary is able to steal this nomination, not only will I not vote for her, but I will no longer vote a straight Democratic ticket because the people that are supporting her obviously have no problem with her racist and bigoted strategy.
The GOP have always hated the Clinton's and if she steals this nomination the GOP will still hate the Clinton along with a lot of other people and the GOP will have so much to use against Hillary and this time Hillary and Bill cannot come crying to the Democratic voters that the right wing smear machine is being mean to her again.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Wow! Barack just ended the Wright kerfuffle. Jeez, what a wonderful President he will make.
Nigel Elliott
· 1 year ago
Obama's press conference just ended. It's official Obama and Wright have divorced. Obama plans to wed America in November. If you will like to contribute, the wedding registry can be found here: http://www.barackobama.com/index.php
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Hill and Bill are NOT Democrats, either in theory or in action.
They will hurt the party and not blink, so why isn't the party doing something about it?
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Prezz
you would think it is over but listen to the spinning going on right now. After a very public denouncement the press is now questioning why Obama wasn't in church on the days of the inflammatory comments. After that very long and very public denouncement the press wants MORE.
jescot
· 1 year ago
Obama just had his "Sista Soulja" moment and didi great ...BUT ....I just wish just once he didi speak in soundbites.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Damn, talk about a fighter. Obama is now fighting Clinton, McCain and Wright. If the man wins this election it is going to be a miracle
tardigrade
· 1 year ago
You know... if anyone has time... perhaps, folks who are inclined, should sign up for tickets (many times they are free) for these shows and... you don't have to be rude and "boo" but you can sign and moan and stand up and walk out .... just not a compliant audience.... and if you get a front row seat the folks on stage will see you and react.
Has there ever been a time in American politics where a Presidential candidate had to publicly denounce his minster over and over and over.
The racism is not coming from voters it is coming from the MSM, the political pundits and the politicians that support Hillary.
ericgoldman
· 1 year ago
Is it possible that Newt Gingrich has his own agenda -- i.e., reaching out to the voters in Michigan and Florida who have been disenfranchised by this pissing contest between the DNC and the respective state party leaders?
I know the default position here at Americablog is that everything anyone says anywhere at any time is evidence of an evil plot by Hilary Clinton and her minions, but maybe, just maybe, the Republicans are exploiting a weakness within the Democratic party here; that weakness being that any attempt to redress the harm done to actual voting Democrats in two critical states has, to date, been derailed at the national level; and that there have repeatedly been statements to the effect that if any effort to give Democrats in Florida and Michigan a voice in the nomination process results in an advantage for Clinton, it means the end of the Democratic party as we know it.
Really, are you surprised that the Republicans are reaching out to voters that Democrats are leaving behind? It's kind of Politics 101.
KerrynowCampau
· 1 year ago
"Really, are you surprised that the Republicans are reaching out to voters that Democrats are leaving behind? It's kind of Politics 101."
I am suspicious of ANYTHING they do and say.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Oh for god's sake, Pat Buchcanan is now saying Obama has credibility issue.
jaclemons222
· 1 year ago
John writes:
"Yeah, he'd like that, wouldn't he - prolong our civil warn until August. So now Gingrich joins Limbaugh and all the rest of the nutjobs in being a Hillary fan. Tell you anything?"
If you're so concerned about our "civil war" , why are you such a willing foot soldier? You post nothing but vitriol about Hillary and they you want to complain about having a split within the party? If you don't want to get dirty, quit throwing mud.
Secondly, if Hamas and Iran and Syria want to see Obama elected and I said "tell you anything?", would you consider it a fair attack or an attempt to poison the debate? I don't think it's fair when McCain says Obama is the favored candidate of Hamas but it's also just as much of a distortion to use Gingrich and Clinton as a proxy for Hillary. Honestly, you're better than that. I get it that you think Obama is the better candidate but to slime the Clintons like you write for Powerline.com creates exactly the scenario you say you want to avoid. Obama faithful believe that because their candidate has a small lead in delegates, the race isn't close at all and Obama should be given the nomination. He's not earned it yet. Let him earn it and it will be worth the effort. Earn it for him by expelling those who prefer Clinton and the nomination is worthless.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
LOL!!!!
Pat Buchanan saying Obama has a credibility issue is like Richard Simmons giving lessons on how to be macho.
c'mon... is the American public going to listen to GOP mouthpieces talking about why people should vote for hillary??
idiotic.
Nigel Elliott
· 1 year ago
aquarius2
Buchanan will NEVER vote for Obama. No reason to listen to anything Pat says. Obama is a brilliant campaigner. But I still think Wright is brilliant and did this to give Obama a grounds for divorce. Check and mate, McCain!
bulldog909
· 1 year ago
If Obama had 'divorced' him years ago it would not be an issue. The fact he only walks away once he has become a liability shows no character on his part. Obama made the choice to associate with this nut for 2 decades, too late to distance himself now. Just like his association with the terrorist Ayres, it was his choice, now he must deal with it. If you think Hill has been tough on him, wait till the rightwing 527's start on him. Quotes from his wife, his typical white person comment, his refusal to wear a flag even after one was given to him by a vet, his connection to Ayres, Rev. Wright. They can't wait.
LunaStick
· 1 year ago
Bulldog909, tell a lie in your comment and you get automatically discounted.
Look nimrod, he took the pin and wore it THAT DAY ONLY. Understand? After that he removed it and has not put it back on. I can't understand why he would want to deliberately make an issue of this, but he does for some reason. It would have been smart to wear that pin from then on and if asked about it say it was given to him by a vet and supporter and so he is wearing it. To remove it is just bizarre, like he is asking for controversy.
LunaStick
· 1 year ago
This is what you said dickhead909 "his refusal to wear a flag even after one was given to him by a vet"
See the lie there? You've been proven wrong so like any good clinton, you try to change the argument as if you said something else. This is why REAL Democrats are sick of the clintons.
LunaStick
· 1 year ago
Also bulldog, why the hell should Obama be the only candidate to wear some damn pin to prove his patriotism? Where's hillarys? Where's McCains? Most of the time they go after Obama for not wearing one, they aren't wearing one themselves.
bulldog909
· 1 year ago
I didn't decide to make it an issue, but many people have, and Obama was given the perfect way out of it by just keeping the stupid pin he was given, and he refused. Why? Who knows. It is just stupid on his part, like he is trying to prove some point. Fine. But it will cost him votes, so it is not very smart.
LunaStick
· 1 year ago
He had long ago made his point about why he doesn't generally wear the flag pin. Anyone who would let something that stupid be the deciding issue is stupid enough that they will vote McCain anyway so what votes has he lost because of something so fucking minor as that. Nice concern troll tactic. See ya, wouldn't want to be ya.
bulldog909
· 1 year ago
As far as McCain, I think his 22 years in the Navy and 6 years as POW give him a pass to wear or not wear whatever he chooses. I think the whole pin thing is stupid, but once it becomes an issue he should have dealt with it. For some reason he is playing into republican hands by reinforcing the belief that there is reason to question his patriotism, just like the Ayres and the Wright issues. He is damaging himself.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
"Earn it for him by expelling those who prefer Clinton and the nomination is worthless." ---
even when the clinton supporters are Buchanan and Gingrich?
are you serious??
if rush limbaugh were to suddenly support Obama, you wouldn't find it suspect?
jaclemons222
· 1 year ago
Soundboy_jeff,
"if rush limbaugh were to suddenly support Obama, you wouldn't find it suspect?"
Hamas supports Obama. The president of Syria had nice things to say about Obama. Iran has nice things to say about Obama. Buchanan and Gingrich may be a lot of things but neither is a terrorist or dictator. What does it say to you that terrorists and dictators support Obama?
See how easy it is?
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Nope A2...being a sucker for Wright's full throated oratory, I failed to see the larger perspective. To me, this shows the marvelous President Mr. Obama will be. Just contrast Senator Obama's live press session with Bush's morning one...Obama's in command of the scene not lurking within it like Bush. Anyway, I just made a contribution in support. And I don't think people absorb all the teevee do-da from the heads...I agree with Nigel's "check and mate"
LunaStick
· 1 year ago
Okay Hillbots! Since you insist on counting votes that aren't supposed to count, then let's count the WASHINGTON STATE primary! Forgot about that one didn't you? Well since you jackasses think you can change the rules, so can we. Add the VOTES CAST in the state of Washington and suddenly OBAMA takes back the popular vote lead. He won by 50,000 votes there and that more than makes up for the 11,000+ vote lead hillary gets when you count your precious Michigan votes (where Obama gets ZERO! How f'n fair!)
Elizabeth Edwards just asked if she will endorse hillary, but only would agree to endorse her health plan. The Edward's need to get off the fence.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
devlzadvocate 13 minutes ago 0 points Right on. I recall a time when this blog was pro-Hillary. Wha' happened? I thought we counted all the votes since 2000. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
We DO count ALL of the votes and the vote tally is in favor of OBAMA. What is so difficult about that concept?
kabiddle
· 1 year ago
This is simple: This group absolutely would prefer Clinton either as candidate in the general or, if Dems do win, as President. They can't deal with Obama because they know he will not deal with them as they are used to -- the kinds of access and sycophancy they've enjoyed for the past 12 years.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
jaclemons222 2 minutes ago --------------------------------------------------------------
LOL, but I'm sorry, it's people like you who try to tell Democrats why we are going to be beaten? PLEASE, it is people like you who make the Democrats more of a good choice than anything nearing a Republican.
I guess it's difficult to understand, but YOUR party is tired, old and needing an extreme makeover. Problem is, that sort of change doesn't happen over night. I'm terribly sorry...
jaclemons222
· 1 year ago
Polly_tics,
I'm a Democrat and always have been. We're in the same party. We just support different candidates in the primary. I know you think Hillary is a Republican but that just proves you're an idiot.
devlzadvocate
· 1 year ago
Luna - Washingtonians didn't always declare their party and some didn't have their votes counted. Kind of a different situation.
Polly - Count my vote in Michgan and she's ahead. I have a right to vote and I used it. (Please don't tell me I don't have a Constitutional right to vote because I do here in Michigan).
LunaStick
· 1 year ago
So states with open primaries where they don't have to declare their party shouldn't count? Clinton supporters seem to be taking the same approach as the clintons themselves. Use twisted logic to justify anything.
By the way, why do head to head polls in Michigan show Obama beating McCain while hillary loses to McCain?
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
All the Hillary supporters in the world will never convince me she is the right person to lead this country. I like Obama's method of delivery, I like his honesty, and I like the fact that I think he is pretty much untainted by "inside the beltway" old politics. I think he is very intelligent and surrounds himself with bright people, rather than yes people.. I think if I am wrong I could change my vote in 2012, so I am ready to give this guy a chance.
devlzadvocate
· 1 year ago
Luna - What twisted logic is that? We have "W" because of the Clintons??? No, we have W because of the people Supreme Court!!!!!
bulldog909
· 1 year ago
No, because of Nader.
homebuilder
· 1 year ago
aquarius2: "All the Hillary supporters in the world will never convince me she is the right person to lead this country."
I totally agree. But somehow we've got to convince her supporters to vote for Barack. How can we do that if they have aligned themselves with someone so corrupt? We would never vote for Hillary, but we have every right to expect her supporters to vote for Barack. But how do we achieve that?
devlzadvocate
· 1 year ago
aquarius2 - You can't "change your vote"
What twisted reality do you live in??????
interlude
· 1 year ago
to all you clintonistas who are bashing obama for not wearing a pin....one question...
where the f--k is hillary's pin??? is she anti-american or sumthin??
damn u sheeple are stooopid
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
jaclemons222 4 minutes ago ------------------------------------------------------- may not agree with your choice for President, but I would not call you an idiot. I guess that shows a difference in character, eh?
jaclemons222
· 1 year ago
Polly_tics,
You being an idiot says nothing about my character.
devlzadvocate
· 1 year ago
Luna - because of the economy and a buyer's remorse for Jennifer Granholm
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
devlzadvocate 4 minutes ago -------------------------------------------------------- I'm sorry about the Michigan/Florida debacle, I really am as it was the POLITICIANS who screwed this thing up NOT THE PEOPLE. The people should NOT be punished for what the politicians did, but that said, THEY AGREED TO A SOLUTION, and that solution was to NEGATE your vote. Yes, it stinks, I agree, but that is what THEY ALL AGREED TO.
You can't come back AFTER the fact and change the rules. Rules are set at the beginning of any competition and then you conduct that competition accordingly.
This competition was to NOT COUNT the votes and right now there is no good solution to resolve this thing. A shame...
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
homebuilder
I can't speak for everyone, just myself. That is the problem with this contentious race, I think each and every person has their own view of their favorite candidate, we have lost focus of the end game, beating the Republicans. How to heal that, I don't know. I just know that I personally feel that if Hillary Clinton runs this country as she as run her campaign then it will be like four more years of Bush. I would have thought that Hillary ,the clear front runner, when this started ,would have never needed to stoop to the tactics she has.
I was never in the group that said from the start, I won't vote for her , but I am leaning so close to that it is scary. I can honestly say I may just not vote, but could I live with myself if I did that? I don't know.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
If anyone of you are going to make this election about an issue of whether someone wears a piece of jewelry or not, than YOU are part of the problem.
There are HUGE issues we have to tackle, not whether someone wears a bloody pin or not.
devlzadvocate
· 1 year ago
Poliy_Tics -
Did you say that when the rules applied to counting Gore vs Bush votes?
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
jaclemons222 0 minutes ago ------------------------------------------------------------------ There you go again. Calling me (or anyone else) an idiot because we disagree on whom may be the best candidate...and yes, it DOES say a lot about character.
jaclemons222
· 1 year ago
Polly_tics,
"There you go again. Calling me (or anyone else) an idiot because we disagree on who the best candidate may be and it DOES say a lot about character."
No, you're not an idiot for supporting Obama. You're an idiot for saying Hillary will join a Republican administration.
Coming Undone
· 1 year ago
jaclemons222 5 minutes ago,
Does Hamas vote in American presidential elections, that is such right wing bullshit that Hamas endorsed Obama. And if you are okay with right wing talking points and Hillary and Bills racism and bigotry then why not join the real party of hate and become a Republican like the Clintons
jaclemons222
· 1 year ago
coming undone,
Are Pat Buchanan or Newt Gingrich Democratic superdelegates? If you want to talk about bullshit, calling the Clintons racist bigots and claiming they are Republicans definitely qualifies as first class, grade A bullshit.
devlzadvocate
· 1 year ago
The lawsuit didn't involve Nader
bulldog909
· 1 year ago
No, but he pulled 97,000 votes in Florida.
devlzadvocate
· 1 year ago
Coming Undone -
Insightful name.
LunaStick
· 1 year ago
devi(l)zadvocate -
Even more insightful name since you are advocating for hillary :)
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
devlzadvocate 2 minutes ago Poliy_Tics - Did you say that when the rules applied to counting Gore vs Bush votes? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What does that mean exactly? Which rules, you mean the ones that we are supposed to count ALL of the votes like GORE wanted to?
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
bulldog
If a flag pin is to be a symbol of patriotism (which I don't think is patriotism) then NO ONE is exempt. You are either patriotic and wear the pin or you don't wear the pin, at least that is your argument. You can't have it both ways.
Bluestocking
· 1 year ago
If nothing else, when the likes of William Kristol and Newt Gingrich (and especially Gingrich, of all people!) have praise for Clinton, it should at the very *least* give any dyed-in-the-wool Democrat a moment or two of pause. Hell, it should be giving *her* pause...because if she should happen to be chosen as the Democratic Party nominee, everyone knows (and if they don't, they should) that this support won't even last a long as one picosecond after the decision has been announced. I think that from then on, the campaign of 2008 will make the campaign of 2004 almost seem like a walk in the park by comparison. This is actually one of the reasons why I suspect that this is most likely an attempt at reverse psychology -- they're actually hoping that Clinton will be chosen as the nominee because they think she'll be easier to beat than Obama will. Rightly or wrongly, true or untrue, they have a lot of ammunition which they can throw at her.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
jaclemons222 1 minute ago 1 point Are there really people out there who care about american flag lapel pins? If Osama Bin Laden wore one, would he too be a patriot? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
That comment proves you are no Democrat, I don't care what you claim in here. But it does prove that you will stoop to any level to try to denigrate another.
A shame.
jaclemons222
· 1 year ago
Please login to rate.
Are there really people out there who care about american flag lapel pins? If Osama Bin Laden wore one, would he too be a patriot?
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ that comment proves you are no Democrat, I don't care what you claim in here. But it does prove that you will stoop to any level to try to denigrate another.
A shame.
Why? My point is anyone can wear an american flag on their on their lapel. It says nothing about that persons patriotism. In otherwords, whether Obama does or doesn't wear one matter not one bit.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
devlzadvocate
What twisted reality do you live in??????
I live in the reality that in 2012 if I don't think Obama (if he is elected) has led this country, I can vote differently OR change my vote from him. Excuse me if my words do not fit into your comprehension.
devlzadvocate
· 1 year ago
Polly-
No, when they stopped the vote counting. Did you just say, "Oh, what a shame".
We voted in good faith. Biden, Kucinich, Gravel, and Clinton were on the ticket. Obama took his name off. Still, Obama pushed quite publicly to have everyone of his voters check off "Uncommitted" to obtain his share of delegates (split among others not listed) at the convention).
Now, we're treated like, "what did you vote for you stupid jerks". You knew it wouldn't count!"
So does this mean we get to count "Uncommitted" as being votes for Obama? That will give Obama an even BIGGER popular vote lead! Thank-you! This will be very helpful in defeating the silly hillbot argument that she actually has the lead in the popular vote. What a crock some people are trying to pass on to us. :)
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Jackiemons ---------------------------------------------------------- Ah, then we actually agree on that! Funny thing.
It appeared as if you were comparing Obama to Osama in the pin wearing affair.
devlzadvocate
· 1 year ago
aquarius2 - Sorry, once you've voted, you can't change your vote. What if he doesn't run again? You can't go back and change your mind. If you make a mistake...damage done. You can't undo it. Political Science 101.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
devlzadvocate 2 minutes ago ------------------------------------------------------------- It was the Republicans who stopped the vote! Gore and the Dems wanted to count the vote....it was Katherine Harris who made the state stop the count. The dems wanted ALL of the votes to be counted, the real votes, the votes that were actually cast.
devlzadvocate
· 1 year ago
Latrell, wait....everyone talks about RULES. The RULES say you need 2024 votes to win the nomination . . . NOT a majority.
How does that give O the win?
Remember, according to everyone here...RULES ARE RULES!!!!!
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
devlzadvocate 2 minutes ago ------------------------------------------------------------ Again, if you are speaking about the Michigan/Florida vote I explained that to you. It was the Politicans within the states and within the Democratic party who screwed this all up. the states wanted to do what they wanted to do and that IS UNACCEPTABLE or the party would be even more scattered and chaotic than it already is.
The people should not have been the ones who are punished, the states themselves should have taken the brunt, but THEY ALL AGREED TO A PLAN AND PUNISHMENT. Once that agreement was even signed by all, the race then proceeded.
I am sorry about how this whole thing worked out as I have explained previously, but YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE RULES AFTER THE FACT.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
devlzadvocate 0 minutes ago --------------------------------------------------------- Obama has more states won,
Obama has more Pledged Delegates (Hillary CANNOT catch up here)
Obama has more of the popular vote.
Simple, that's how.
devlzadvocate
· 1 year ago
and remember, Latrell, YOU CAN'T change the rules.
devlzadvocate
· 1 year ago
That's not 2024 and that's the rule
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Busboy, ---------------------------------------------------- The press won't let it lie because Wright won't let it lie...he WILL be back I'm afraid.
devlzadvocate
· 1 year ago
The rule does NOT say the majority of votes, Polly. not a policy wonk, are ya?
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
devlzadvocate
I am not sure why I bother to respond to you, mostly because you are pissing me off. Don't give me your psycho babble of Politics 101. I said IF, IF, IF , he is elected and does not run this country in a competent manner, then I would vote differently in 2012. Keep it up and I just might vote for McCain. (not really)
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
devlzadvocate 0 minutes ago ---------------------------------------------------------- True, Obama doesn't have enough delegates to win the standard amount, but he is far ahead in that area where Hillary cannot catch up, no matter how she tries.
BUT it is left up to the Supers to do this job (something that I think is shameful actually, but that is to be dealt with later because IT IS THE RULE CURRENTLY.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
devlzadvocate 0 minutes ago --------------------------------------------------------- That does it, your condescending and nasty retorts do not deserve a response any longer. What a bloody shame, you can't even discuss this issue without getting nasty and denigrate others.
The end.
devlzadvocate
· 1 year ago
aquarius 2 - The point of pre-election discourse is to ensure you make the best decision possible prior to voting, not to look back and say, what a freaking mess, I better not do that again.
Isn't that what we have now? Haven't you learned anything?
Please continue to be pissed off.
devlzadvocate
· 1 year ago
Polly - please review the responses of others using foul language and name calling. My response are not in the least nasty. Pointed, yes. Denigrating and nasty, no.
LunaStick
· 1 year ago
The only thing pointed is the horns on your candidates head devizadvocate. Nothing you've said has been.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
There are people that you can discuss the opposite point of view in a rational manner and continue on discussing. Then there are people, like at least three on here right now, that only know how to insult, either directly or indirectly. I say let them discuss with each other. I am out of here.
SeekTheTruth
· 1 year ago
It's heinous. And it's exactly what the Dems are allowing to happen.
What a pathetic thing when the Dem party can't do anything to keep the Republicans from ridiculing its candidates and dismissing its voters as passive losers.
Lack of leadership at the top and a true narcissist on the stump. She must be stopped.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
devlzadvocate
"Polly - please review the responses of others using foul language and name calling. My response are not in the least nasty. Pointed, yes. Denigrating and nasty, no."
Do you ever look in the mirror? You know what they say about people that never feel they are out of step, don't you? reply
Coming Undone
· 1 year ago
Why do the Clinton's supporters repeat the GOP talking points about Obama and they some how see it as a good thing that the GOP supports Hillary?
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
devlzadvocate 7 minutes ago ----------------------------------------------------------- I care about how you speak to ME, if you speak to ME in such a derogatory manner I don't see a reason to continue.
Now if you want to talk about other people are speaking to YOU, then do so to THEM, not ME.
lauraroslin
· 1 year ago
Newt was on the radio in NC this morning, on the the Brad and Britt Show FM 101 WZTK which has a statewide audience. I'm sorry I don't have a recording of it.
He was on at (9:25) endorsing Hillary Clinton, more or less. He's talking about how efficient and brilliant she is. Neut is saying "its like Obama is being deliberately two faced... bla blah blah. Neut is tarring Obama along with Wright.
So evidentally the republicans are pulling out all stops -
1. Neut Gingrich on the stump for Hillary,
2. DINO NC Gov "Crash Easley" endorsing Hillary (he's not running for anything and is outgoing Gov, he was sued Apr 14 by major media outlets for deleting official emails (most of them) violating public records law. (Sounds like Rove, doesn't it?) The media (outside of NC) is touting this as a major endorsement, but Easley has always been completely out of touch from the voters. I don't think he's ever been photographed with a black man either.
3. Robo Calls in NC to African-Americans only telling them they need to register to vote, and a form is in the mail to them. The form never arrives but the AAs may think they can't vote because of this.
4. Rush Limpballs Operation Chaos. Hopefully its a smokescreen, but we do have a pocket of racists still in our state, and alot of GOP switched to "unaffiliated" or Dem so they could vote in Dem primary.
****If we could get the word out, I would ask all voters to check online at the NC SBOE http://www.sboe.state.nc.us/ to make sure that they are registered or else they can call their county Boe. If they aren't registered, they can go to an early voting site up until May 3 to register AND vote.
MaryOK
· 1 year ago
It's only conjecture to debate who is the the weaker candidate and whom the Republicans think is the weaker candidate.
Busboy
· 1 year ago
I thought Obama's divorce press conference was a solid rejection of Wright's ideas and past association. Would have been better if done a week ago; but at least he did it, seemingly with conviction. Maybe the press will let it lie now.
Busboy
· 1 year ago
What's amazing is that the GOP push for Hillary is transparent and out in the open. Did any of the girls mention that it was just a GOP ploy? I'm not allowed to watch "The View".
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It's a tactic to a larger strategy.
Like I'm waiting for Terry Jefferies (shudder) ...Voice like The Simpsons fat comic shop owner...I can see him eating a field mouse.
Senator Obama's taking questions at his press conference denouncing his former pastor's speech at the press club yesterday.
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LOL on Terry Jefferies voice! He gives both of us the total creeps....
At some point, someone's going to have to act like an adult and drop out. I would think Ms. Clinton would be the obvious choice since her winning strategy is based on capturing a declining demographic (to which I belong).
md
Unless someone gets on the stick about election (vs voter) fraud, PA could be decidedly (by ES&S) red by next cycle.
it's becoming crystal clear that is exactly what will happen.
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Why is THE VIEW off of your viewing list?
the guy who pushed the hardest (pun intended) against Bill for the Monica affair while he himself was engaged in extra-marital infidelity (he was divorced from his first wife while she was recovering from cancer in the hospital because of cheating on her, and he also had an affair while married to his second wife, who he then divorced) is now pushing hard for Hillary?
What a randy fellow.
1. Depends on your point of view. In terms of popular vote (which includes Michigan and Florida) she ABSOLUTELY HAS MORE VOTES. In terms of delegates (which does not include MI or FL -- yet), she has less.
2. I;m curious, John. If Hillary Clinton gets the nomination, will you stand by all the trash you've hurled at her lately, and vote for McCain?
I recall a time when this blog was pro-Hillary. Wha' happened?
I thought we counted all the votes since 2000.
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actually... TECHNICALLY, its true... if you add the states where Obama wasn't on the ballot because their process was invalidated.
so... hillary... I took a presidental vote around Hillcrest, among my friends... where the two choices were myself and Joseph Stalin... and I won (Stalin only got one vote... I'm no longer speaking to THAT bitch).
I guess that means I'm president, right?
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...
Superdelegates Obama is behind
Popular vote Obama is ahead
IF you add Hillary's votes in Florida in you need to include Obama's and then she has LESS.
IF you want to add in Michigans votes, you simply cannot do so in any fair manner as BOTH agreed it would NOT count AND Obama was not even on the ballot.
So please, let us keep this an honest discussion...
Honest discussion? How? Nothing "honest" about the Clintons. There is no way she can win. Florida and Michigan don't count because Hillary's campaign staff voted not to seat the delegates before she needed them. Flip flop, lying Clinton.
I don't think it's fair to count FL or MI unless they are done over.
MI was completely screwed since Hillbot cheated and put her name on the ballot while the others did not.
Might not have been fair but it was legal.
Obama voluntarily took his name off the ballot.
I agree! anyone who ATTEMPTS to try to con the people about this popular vote ILLUSION is simply another dishonest lying pol, and god knows we have far too many of them in this election!
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THEY ALSO AGREED IT WOULDN'T COUNT!
Give it up. You can speak logic to Hillbots. She can't be denied. Hillary might even pull a Lieberman and run as an Indy just to spite the Democrats. Hillary is a pro-war neocon traitor. Period.
IF she manages to screw this primary up and get on the ticket, I will write in Obama's name.
when the nominee (obama) is chosen, they will go back to hating Hillary.
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I have got to disagree with you on this one. Hill has done quite a lot over the last few years in cozying up to the Republicans and even the far right of the party's worst slime.
They DO want to run against her because they think she's an easier ticket, BUT make no bones about it, I am sure she will end up in a Republican administration. Both she and Joey (Lieberman) will be front and center.
"BUT make no bones about it, I am sure she will end up in a Republican administration..."
You're sure are you? I'm sure you're wrong but more than that, I'm sure it's people like you who will sow the seeds of defeat for Democrats this year.
Hillary and Bill Clinton have been working to advance Democratic causes for their entire adult lives. Along comes a bunch of childish idiots who think it's a swell idea to toss them out of the party. Guess what? You can leave the party. I know for sure there are many people all across the country who would mourn their loss. I doubt we'd miss you at all.
OH WAIT! No they haven't! They helped lead to the fatigue that brought us W! How dare us not be greatful for what they have done!
If they represent the Democraric Party at it's finest, it's time for a new party because we the PEOPLE can do better than those two lying, parsing say anything to win only to turn on the working class "Democrats".
"If they represent the Democraric Party at it's finest, it's time for a new party because we the PEOPLE can do better than those two lying, parsing say anything to win only to turn on the working class "Democrats".
We the people? What am I then? A billygoat? We can do better right? Like Obama? He denounces his pastor only when he becomes a liability and you call it courage? A "transcendent", "post-racial", "inspired" candidate would have defended the Rev. and explained to Democrats, Independents and Republicans that being black in america means having an entirely different view of our history and what patriotism means. He would have explained that the anger Rev. Wright speaks to is very real and if we ever plan on getting to a truly post racial America, we need to see it ourselves and others as they truly are, not as some strawman. Obama didn't do that did he? He gave in when it got tough. He tossed his friend of twenty years to the wolves to save his own skin.
Yes, you are a billygoat.
If Osama Bin Laden wore one, would he too be a patriot?
Excuse me, but ALL Democratic candidates signed an agreement that stated in no uncertain terms that Florida and Michigan would not be seated due to their jumping ahead of other states. ALL knew what the signing meant. and ALL agreed. Now the losing candidate wants to pretend she doesn't like what is being done to those states.
Spin it all you want, it won't fly.
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Actually I think she and McSame have plans to either run together OR be in his administration. She is HELPING him win this thing...
The GOP have always hated the Clinton's and if she steals this nomination the GOP will still hate the Clinton along with a lot of other people and the GOP will have so much to use against Hillary and this time Hillary and Bill cannot come crying to the Democratic voters that the right wing smear machine is being mean to her again.
http://www.barackobama.com/index.php
They will hurt the party and not blink, so why isn't the party doing something about it?
you would think it is over but listen to the spinning going on right now. After a very public denouncement the press is now questioning why Obama wasn't in church on the days of the inflammatory comments. After that very long and very public denouncement the press wants MORE.
Sullivan: Obama Divorces Wright..Farrakhan too!
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...
The racism is not coming from voters it is coming from the MSM, the political pundits and the politicians that support Hillary.
I know the default position here at Americablog is that everything anyone says anywhere at any time is evidence of an evil plot by Hilary Clinton and her minions, but maybe, just maybe, the Republicans are exploiting a weakness within the Democratic party here; that weakness being that any attempt to redress the harm done to actual voting Democrats in two critical states has, to date, been derailed at the national level; and that there have repeatedly been statements to the effect that if any effort to give Democrats in Florida and Michigan a voice in the nomination process results in an advantage for Clinton, it means the end of the Democratic party as we know it.
Really, are you surprised that the Republicans are reaching out to voters that Democrats are leaving behind? It's kind of Politics 101.
I am suspicious of ANYTHING they do and say.
"Yeah, he'd like that, wouldn't he - prolong our civil warn until August. So now Gingrich joins Limbaugh and all the rest of the nutjobs in being a Hillary fan. Tell you anything?"
If you're so concerned about our "civil war" , why are you such a willing foot soldier? You post nothing but vitriol about Hillary and they you want to complain about having a split within the party? If you don't want to get dirty, quit throwing mud.
Secondly, if Hamas and Iran and Syria want to see Obama elected and I said "tell you anything?", would you consider it a fair attack or an attempt to poison the debate? I don't think it's fair when McCain says Obama is the favored candidate of Hamas but it's also just as much of a distortion to use Gingrich and Clinton as a proxy for Hillary. Honestly, you're better than that.
I get it that you think Obama is the better candidate but to slime the Clintons like you write for Powerline.com creates exactly the scenario you say you want to avoid. Obama faithful believe that because their candidate has a small lead in delegates, the race isn't close at all and Obama should be given the nomination. He's not earned it yet. Let him earn it and it will be worth the effort. Earn it for him by expelling those who prefer Clinton and the nomination is worthless.
Pat Buchanan saying Obama has a credibility issue is like Richard Simmons giving lessons on how to be macho.
c'mon... is the American public going to listen to GOP mouthpieces talking about why people should vote for hillary??
idiotic.
Buchanan will NEVER vote for Obama. No reason to listen to anything Pat says. Obama is a brilliant campaigner. But I still think Wright is brilliant and did this to give Obama a grounds for divorce. Check and mate, McCain!
Here's a clue, Obama DID put on the flag pin given to him by the vet.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Ret...
Your welcome to try again though.
"his refusal to wear a flag even after one was given to him by a vet"
See the lie there? You've been proven wrong so like any good clinton, you try to change the argument as if you said something else. This is why REAL Democrats are sick of the clintons.
See ya, wouldn't want to be ya.
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even when the clinton supporters are Buchanan and Gingrich?
are you serious??
if rush limbaugh were to suddenly support Obama, you wouldn't find it suspect?
"if rush limbaugh were to suddenly support Obama, you wouldn't find it suspect?"
Hamas supports Obama. The president of Syria had nice things to say about Obama. Iran has nice things to say about Obama. Buchanan and Gingrich may be a lot of things but neither is a terrorist or dictator. What does it say to you that terrorists and dictators support Obama?
See how easy it is?
Anyway, I just made a contribution in support.
And I don't think people absorb all the teevee do-da from the heads...I agree with Nigel's "check and mate"
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/pr...
Suck on that babies!
Meep, meep! ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JicZeBkg67A
Elizabeth Edwards just asked if she will endorse hillary, but only would agree to endorse her health plan. The Edward's need to get off the fence.
Right on.
I recall a time when this blog was pro-Hillary. Wha' happened?
I thought we counted all the votes since 2000.
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We DO count ALL of the votes and the vote tally is in favor of OBAMA. What is so difficult about that concept?
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LOL, but I'm sorry, it's people like you who try to tell Democrats why we are going to be beaten? PLEASE, it is people like you who make the Democrats more of a good choice than anything nearing a Republican.
I guess it's difficult to understand, but YOUR party is tired, old and needing an extreme makeover. Problem is, that sort of change doesn't happen over night. I'm terribly sorry...
I'm a Democrat and always have been. We're in the same party. We just support different candidates in the primary. I know you think Hillary is a Republican but that just proves you're an idiot.
Polly - Count my vote in Michgan and she's ahead. I have a right to vote and I used it. (Please don't tell me I don't have a Constitutional right to vote because I do here in Michigan).
By the way, why do head to head polls in Michigan show Obama beating McCain while hillary loses to McCain?
I totally agree. But somehow we've got to convince her supporters to vote for Barack. How can we do that if they have aligned themselves with someone so corrupt? We would never vote for Hillary, but we have every right to expect her supporters to vote for Barack. But how do we achieve that?
What twisted reality do you live in??????
where the f--k is hillary's pin???
is she anti-american or sumthin??
damn u sheeple are stooopid
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may not agree with your choice for President, but I would not call you an idiot. I guess that shows a difference in character, eh?
You being an idiot says nothing about my character.
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I'm sorry about the Michigan/Florida debacle, I really am as it was the POLITICIANS who screwed this thing up NOT THE PEOPLE. The people should NOT be punished for what the politicians did, but that said, THEY AGREED TO A SOLUTION, and that solution was to NEGATE your vote. Yes, it stinks, I agree, but that is what THEY ALL AGREED TO.
You can't come back AFTER the fact and change the rules. Rules are set at the beginning of any competition and then you conduct that competition accordingly.
This competition was to NOT COUNT the votes and right now there is no good solution to resolve this thing. A shame...
I can't speak for everyone, just myself. That is the problem with this contentious race, I think each and every person has their own view of their favorite candidate, we have lost focus of the end game, beating the Republicans. How to heal that, I don't know. I just know that I personally feel that if Hillary Clinton runs this country as she as run her campaign then it will be like four more years of Bush. I would have thought that Hillary ,the clear front runner, when this started ,would have never needed to stoop to the tactics she has.
I was never in the group that said from the start, I won't vote for her , but I am leaning so close to that it is scary. I can honestly say I may just not vote, but could I live with myself if I did that? I don't know.
There are HUGE issues we have to tackle, not whether someone wears a bloody pin or not.
Did you say that when the rules applied to counting Gore vs Bush votes?
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There you go again. Calling me (or anyone else) an idiot because we disagree on whom may be the best candidate...and yes, it DOES say a lot about character.
"There you go again. Calling me (or anyone else) an idiot because we disagree on who the best candidate may be and it DOES say a lot about character."
No, you're not an idiot for supporting Obama. You're an idiot for saying Hillary will join a Republican administration.
Does Hamas vote in American presidential elections, that is such right wing bullshit that Hamas endorsed Obama. And if you are okay with right wing talking points and Hillary and Bills racism and bigotry then why not join the real party of hate and become a Republican like the Clintons
Are Pat Buchanan or Newt Gingrich Democratic superdelegates? If you want to talk about bullshit, calling the Clintons racist bigots and claiming they are Republicans definitely qualifies as first class, grade A bullshit.
Insightful name.
Even more insightful name since you are advocating for hillary :)
Poliy_Tics -
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What does that mean exactly? Which rules, you mean the ones that we are supposed to count ALL of the votes like GORE wanted to?
If a flag pin is to be a symbol of patriotism (which I don't think is patriotism) then NO ONE is exempt. You are either patriotic and wear the pin or you don't wear the pin, at least that is your argument. You can't have it both ways.
Are there really people out there who care about american flag lapel pins?
If Osama Bin Laden wore one, would he too be a patriot?
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That comment proves you are no Democrat, I don't care what you claim in here. But it does prove that you will stoop to any level to try to denigrate another.
A shame.
Are there really people out there who care about american flag lapel pins?
If Osama Bin Laden wore one, would he too be a patriot?
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that comment proves you are no Democrat, I don't care what you claim in here. But it does prove that you will stoop to any level to try to denigrate another.
A shame.
Why? My point is anyone can wear an american flag on their on their lapel. It says nothing about that persons patriotism. In otherwords, whether Obama does or doesn't wear one matter not one bit.
What twisted reality do you live in??????
I live in the reality that in 2012 if I don't think Obama (if he is elected) has led this country, I can vote differently OR change my vote from him. Excuse me if my words do not fit into your comprehension.
No, when they stopped the vote counting. Did you just say, "Oh, what a shame".
We voted in good faith. Biden, Kucinich, Gravel, and Clinton were on the ticket. Obama took his name off. Still, Obama pushed quite publicly to have everyone of his voters check off "Uncommitted" to obtain his share of delegates (split among others not listed) at the convention).
Now, we're treated like, "what did you vote for you stupid jerks". You knew it wouldn't count!"
NOT TRUE!
Try this page on the Obama site explaining to Michiganians how to vote:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/h...
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Ah, then we actually agree on that! Funny thing.
It appeared as if you were comparing Obama to Osama in the pin wearing affair.
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It was the Republicans who stopped the vote! Gore and the Dems wanted to count the vote....it was Katherine Harris who made the state stop the count. The dems wanted ALL of the votes to be counted, the real votes, the votes that were actually cast.
How does that give O the win?
Remember, according to everyone here...RULES ARE RULES!!!!!
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Again, if you are speaking about the Michigan/Florida vote I explained that to you. It was the Politicans within the states and within the Democratic party who screwed this all up. the states wanted to do what they wanted to do and that IS UNACCEPTABLE or the party would be even more scattered and chaotic than it already is.
The people should not have been the ones who are punished, the states themselves should have taken the brunt, but THEY ALL AGREED TO A PLAN AND PUNISHMENT. Once that agreement was even signed by all, the race then proceeded.
I am sorry about how this whole thing worked out as I have explained previously, but YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE RULES AFTER THE FACT.
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Obama has more states won,
Obama has more Pledged Delegates (Hillary CANNOT catch up here)
Obama has more of the popular vote.
Simple, that's how.
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The press won't let it lie because Wright won't let it lie...he WILL be back I'm afraid.
I am not sure why I bother to respond to you, mostly because you are pissing me off. Don't give me your psycho babble of Politics 101. I said IF, IF, IF , he is elected and does not run this country in a competent manner, then I would vote differently in 2012. Keep it up and I just might vote for McCain. (not really)
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True, Obama doesn't have enough delegates to win the standard amount, but he is far ahead in that area where Hillary cannot catch up, no matter how she tries.
BUT it is left up to the Supers to do this job (something that I think is shameful actually, but that is to be dealt with later because IT IS THE RULE CURRENTLY.
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That does it, your condescending and nasty retorts do not deserve a response any longer. What a bloody shame, you can't even discuss this issue without getting nasty and denigrate others.
The end.
Isn't that what we have now? Haven't you learned anything?
Please continue to be pissed off.
Nothing you've said has been.
What a pathetic thing when the Dem party can't do anything to keep the Republicans from ridiculing its candidates and dismissing its voters as passive losers.
Lack of leadership at the top and a true narcissist on the stump. She must be stopped.
"Polly - please review the responses of others using foul language and name calling. My response are not in the least nasty. Pointed, yes. Denigrating and nasty, no."
Do you ever look in the mirror? You know what they say about people that never feel they are out of step, don't you?
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I care about how you speak to ME, if you speak to ME in such a derogatory manner I don't see a reason to continue.
Now if you want to talk about other people are speaking to YOU, then do so to THEM, not ME.
He was on at (9:25) endorsing Hillary Clinton, more or less. He's talking about how efficient and brilliant she is. Neut is saying "its like Obama is being deliberately two faced... bla blah blah. Neut is tarring Obama along with Wright.
So evidentally the republicans are pulling out all stops -
1. Neut Gingrich on the stump for Hillary,
2. DINO NC Gov "Crash Easley" endorsing Hillary (he's not running for anything and is outgoing Gov, he was sued Apr 14 by major media outlets for deleting official emails (most of them) violating public records law. (Sounds like Rove, doesn't it?) The media (outside of NC) is touting this as a major endorsement, but Easley has always been completely out of touch from the voters. I don't think he's ever been photographed with a black man either.
3. Robo Calls in NC to African-Americans only telling them they need to register to vote, and a form is in the mail to them. The form never arrives but the AAs may think they can't vote because of this.
4. Rush Limpballs Operation Chaos. Hopefully its a smokescreen, but we do have a pocket of racists still in our state, and alot of GOP switched to "unaffiliated" or Dem so they could vote in Dem primary.
****If we could get the word out, I would ask all voters to check online at the NC SBOE http://www.sboe.state.nc.us/
to make sure that they are registered or else they can call their county Boe. If they aren't registered, they can go to an early voting site up until May 3 to register AND vote.