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http://www.opednews.com/articles/Pastor-Rick-Wa...
He actually did say that. He likes pizza, maybe the pepperoni, salami,and sausage are his favorite toppings.
Petty and small guys, petty and small.
petty is the new uppity
marriage equality is the new riding in the front of the bus
How DARE we.
*eyeroll*
Barney Frank on Warren, CNN Late Edition
Warren: His breath smells funny.
Warren: He has funny shoes.
I guess today I'm a Saddelback parishioner.
Jeez. Next thing you know someone will say "it's a gay thing, you wouldn't understand". After they accuse me of being akin to Eichmann or something..
Warren forbids Gay membership in his church and equates Gays with pedophiles. Warren preaches that only followers of his version of Christ will go to heaven. Warren worked to pass Prop 8. Warren opposes settled law guaranteeing a woman's right to abortion.
Obama chooses Warren to pray at his inauguration.
Can you hear me now?
http://www.bartnagel.com/images/blog_aravosisJo...
Biblegateway search for "keep all my laws"
???
"In April, 2008, President Assad told a Qatari newspaper that Syria and Israel had been discussing a peace treaty for a year, with Turkey as a go-between. This was confirmed in May, 2008, by a spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. As well as a peace treaty, the future of the Golan Heights is being discussed."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria
are you just making things up?
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/syria
lonely planet hates jews, too!
What's that you say?
God changes laws from time to time?
Conveeeenient!
So much time has been spent on "assimilating" and "playing nice" and "seeming unthreatening", and yet our "allies" have grown annoyed with our insistent, and wholly overdramatic demand for equality.
I guess we aren't the cause du jour anymore. Sucks when campy, inoffensive and neutered Will & Grace faggots put down the showtunes, turn off the jokes actually demand action for a change.
It's just not FUN for straight people, so why should they bother?
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In "the media"? Check. Come on... at least a HALF CHECK you bitches!~
Liberals grade on a curve and I'm over half, so FULL CHECK.
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Backing away from gay civil (HUMAN) rights? Not on MY LIFE.
My homosexual brothers-in-arms, always delightfully quick of thought and limber of emotion, are even more high strung than usuall. "Turn that damn STEREO down, I've got the biggest freakin' hangover from the spiking those Mormons put in my large glass of Prop8erade at the post election party!" is still heard echoing through gayborhoods far beyond California.
Fact is, this Warren thing has many of my gay friends wound so tight you couldn't drive a needle up their asses with a sledgehammer.
Some will misplace my sense of irony at offering the following expression as a means of communicating my CONTINUED support of EVEN that which most revile as a subgroup of people, inhuman (because GOD TELLS ME that homosexuality only happened as a result of his eternal blessings and as a test to the humanity of the rest of us I know better.):
You either stand up for something or you'll bend over for anything.
Enjoy.
draw above the fourth grade level.
http://thetimchannel.com/?p=325
Aspiring young gay artists read helpful hint in first comment.
Enjoy.
Keep the fire burning John,,,you do important work,,,,,and this issue is VERY important.
In fact, Obama was smart enough, probably, to see in advance the eventual outcome of any court challenge to Prop. 8. Clearly, it is unconstitutional for established rights to be rescinded based on a vote of the people. The same thing happened in CO in 1992 when Amendment 2 was passed by a vote of the people to over-turn civil protections for gays and lesbians in Boulder, Aspen and Denver. Amendment 2 was overturned by the US Supreme Court in 1996 on equal protection grounds.
Obama is trying to reach out to the Evangelicals around areas of common interest (AIDS, global warming, fighting poverty, etc.) It is better to engage them than to ostracize them. By including them in the inaugural, Obama is showing that he (and we!) can rise above the usual fray to seek solutions for us all.
I was as angry as the next gay person when I heard about the Warren invitation. I wrote a scathing letter on the subject to the editor of my local paper, the Boulder Daily Camera, whih was published on Friday 12/19. Since then, I have come around to see the wisdom of Obama's move, and feel that we as gays can choose another battle.
So much wisdom! Watch out, Yoda!
since you seem to be late to the discussion, you get to answer the 2 questions of the week:
1) which other bigots has obama engaged?
2) since when does engaging a bigot require anointing him as the nation's pastor in front of a billion people?
Substitute black for gay, and the things Obama and Warren say would be viewed as racist and wrong. Say it against gays and it is just a difference of opinions. Gays are subhuman in the eyes of these people. Obama sees gays as 3/4 human, because he feels that they do not deserve the same rights as heterosexuals.
2. Doing a two minute prayer is not annointment as the nation's pastor. Do you even remember who did invocations in the past? I don't and few do.
2. Selecting a pastor to give the invocation at the inauguration of the president confers high honor and is viewed as support and validation of the pastor's beliefs and his record.
2. There is a reason why nobody remembers past inaugural invocations. Obama has made sure this will be the exception, and not in a good way.
Maybe they should stop hating us then.
We didn't start this. We just want equality and to be left alone.
They attack us every day, and you think it's "time to move on" instead of fighting back?
Since Prop. 8, I refuse to "move on."
Our anger is 1) provoked, and 2) justified.
I guess he just plum forgot about that 10-15% then? If he didn't forget, then he actively threw it under the bus.
Now I'm not saying that Obama wasn't smart enough to see in advance how the court will rule on Prop 8, though legal experts are divided, and many say Prop 8 will stand. But if you're saying that he was smart enough to see that Prop 8 would be overturned because it violates basic constitutional guarantees, then why wasn't he smart enough to chose a minister to honor that didn't work to get Prop 8 passed?
And finally, since you believe that we should choose another battle, I guess you don't see the revocation of 18,000 marriages as all that important. Nor the loss of marriage rights in the most populous State. And if letting go of this battle appeals to you, then what exactly is the prize you think we should keep our eyes on? Equal rights for gays? No, that can't be it, because marriage is an equal right, and you think we should just move on.
And anyway, I wouldn't want to touch his bigotry-infested hands...
I don't agree with the commenter who claims it's "time to move on." This is exactly the time to express our disgust at Obama's choice. However, there are far more productive ways of doing it.
This is very disappointing :(
abortion,
stem cell research,
gay marriage,
human cloning,
and euthanasia."
Max Blumenthal writes an illuminating article about Mr Warren:
America's Pastor has a nice-guy image. But it is belied by what he says on Sundays.
My sister is gay and my cousin is gay. My sister has struggled with her homosexuality, but lately she has been bringing her girlfriend around more and I like that because she seems so happy. When she first told our family that she was gay, she said that she loved the way her girlfriend made her feel, like the most beautiful girl in the world. I told her that I knew exactly what she was talking about because that's how my husband makes me feel. I'm sorry that you guys are hurting so bad right now, but I truly see marriage for all in the future.
sitemonitor
However, I have noticed that some people seem to react to criticism of Obama, even if for good reason, as intrinsically objectionable. (I've noticed that more at Huffington Post.)
Barack is a human being, not God or a god. He said himself during the campaign, "I am imperfect."
Clearly. And part of a democracy is for the citizenry to educate its leaders, as well as each other.
http://disqus.com/people/4289ecef9684e3d4988260...
If you're going to yell "racism" everytime somebody disagrees with President-elect Obama, people will soon stop taking your views of "racism" seriously.
And I say that as somebody who voted for Obama three times (he's my senator), gave to his campaigns numerous times, and is still a supporter of his, even though I think he blew it this time and needs to realize that.
Thanks Obama.
A deadly sin is sin which is relatively minor on first appearance, but serves as a "gateway" sin, leading to more serious misbehavior later. That's why the deadly sins don't include, say, murder or stealing. Catholics in particular believe that part of avoiding sin is avoiding the "near occasion" of sin; that is, engaging in behavior that while not sinful, is risky.
The proof of this doctrine is Warren himself. He's long past the "deadly sin" stage of gluttony.
Gandhi had it right, "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.".
"It can't happen here."
He loves Africans with AIDS like he loves the gays with AIDS: when he can pity and condescend to them and bestow assistance to them on HIS self-aggrandizing terms.
I love to read your blog. I have read it since 2004. I agree with most everything you say. I know this Rick Warren thing has pissed you off. Let's just say I feel your pain. But for the Love of God, would you please just drop it? It's been a non-stop bitch fest since it was announced. It's a Prayer. Yes, I know he worked to defeat Prop 8, but he is not the reason it passed. It passed because the anti-Prop 8 people ran a shitty campaign. If you have to be upset with anyone you should be upset with the organizations that ran it.
Love ya, John. Merry Christmas!
I am not going to choose my fights. From now on, I am going to fight EVERY TIME I am attacked, dismissed, or kicked in the teeth.
I am not gay -- I have no idea what percentage homosexuals are of the US population. But I have a hunch that if the truth came out, most Americans would be shocked. If all gays protested this -- and kept screaming about it -- and all other things done against them -- plus all their family members and friends -- plus people like me who have no known gay people in my family -- that would get Obama's attention.
THIS is why the Democratic Party isn't wimpy, per se -- they act on the wishes of the loudest ones. If you want them to work for you, be loud -- and stay with it. Don't just protest and then just stop after a week.
We don't need to shut up. We NEED to make more noise. This topic should remain front and center, loud and clear from now until the inauguration.
We need more "non-stop bitch fests," not less. I have no plans to stop bitching, myself, until there's equality in all 50 states -- end of story.
I don't know John personally, and don't always agree with him, or his tone, but I think both his statements and his tone about the Warren matter are dead-on appropriate.
I suspect most of the people who tend think the objections to Rick Warren matter are out of proportion to the situation are not gay. That tells me we (LGBT folk) need to do more educating on the second class citizen experience, and what Prop. 8 has meant to us -- tell our stories, describe our experiences, explain how the world looks through our eyes.
Remember during the primary when you were castigating Hilary Clinton as something akin to Satan's spawn. And she is now part of the new Obama administration, with your support. Please check out Juan Cole's take on Rick Warren. When Barack Obama said on election night that he would be the president of all americans, (warning, radiacal thought) he meant it. And to many Americans, Rick Warren is an inspiration and a hero. And as Juan Cole, who is surely no homophobe, notes, with some reason. One of the things I found most impressive about Obama during the campaign was how he could reach the "better angels" of the right wing in this country. He had David Brooks saying complimentary things about him for God Sake. William F Buckley's son openly supported him. Julie Nixon Eisenhower and Caroline Kennedy and Ron Reagan Jr. and Barry Goldwater's children were among his supporters. Stop and think about that for a minute. I have for a long time thought that Americans of all political and religious stripes have more that unites us than that divides us. I do not believe that inviting Rick Warren to give the invocation at his inaugural is in any way a snub to the GL and TG community. Rather, it is an attempt to reach out to that portion of the American public who do not feel invested in his election and to get them to open their ears for a minute and listen to what he said during the campaign. There is nothing wrong with a future president of the United States seeking to build support among the electorate by getting them, perhaps for the first time, to actually open their ears and listen to what he is saying as opposed to what Fox news says he is saying. I work around people who, during the campaign, had never even stopped to listen to what the man said. They had him built up in their minds as something akin to the anit-christ. So much so that they would not listen to him. I kid you not. I would never suggest that you not stand up for yourself and demand to be treated as any other human being, deserving of respect for what you are and what you have accomplished in life. But on this particular issue, the invocation at the inaugural, I would chill. I believe I understand what he is doing and I approve his message.
Name an empty Obama promise.
KKK!!! Hitler!!! Gluttonous bigots!!!
Could you please press the button to release all the people that have better things to do. Clearly you have chained them to this post against their will.
Warren uses passages from scripture to condemn gay people, so why should we not also point out his gluttony? Fair is fair.
First, a group of people deny another group of people equal rights and access to the law through legislation. Then, they decide they don't want us around their families because of our way of life. Then they decide they don't want to deal with you in business and begin enacting laws about how you conduct business.
Then they decide they don't have to care for you in hospital because of their strong religious beliefs. Then you "become a burden to society"and someone should do something. That burden then has to be placed somewhere away from others delicate sensibilities.
And then someone has to come up with a final solution to the problem.
It has been that way throughout time. Warren and his beliefs are dangerous as they have already crossed at least three of those steps. Warren's divinity school chum was Professional Xtian Mike Huckabee who only a few short years ago called for people with AIDS to be "put somewhere". I am unwilling to simply sit down and shut up. Not now, not ever.
This is exactly why the criticisms of Rick Warren on this site no longer have any merit. Once you enter the realm of fat jokes and name-calling, you've left your credibility far behind. No one will be quoting AmericaBlog on CNN except as a counter-example of childish and hate-filled liberals who despise Obama's call for inclusivity. This sort of crap makes us all look bad.
And lets hope some of the more unhinged don't start calling you a Republican or Warren plant as well for it.
All I read in the New Testament pointed to Jesus being accepting of all people. Apparently these people cannot read.
on this and pass it along
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Speaking of course as the Warren plant/Republican plant I've already been accused of being these past few days and not the hard charging liberal, neocon fighting , Democratic cause as well as gay issues supporter for decades now, of course..
So I guess I'll enjoy the new Obama era while the gay conspiratorial part of AmericaBlog sulks in the corner.
If you read that, why would you ask such a question?
Just so long as they're not gay.
Or a Republican.
I've already been accused of that for calling this what it is. Petty and stupid.
It seems gay is the new unhinged around here.
Some people are so fat that they can't have children, and marriage is just for making babies. And fat people have no business having children because they will corrupt children with oversized portions, fatty fast foods, Twinkies, and Ding-Dongs. We must protect our children from the influences of fat people. They shouldn't teach in schools because children might learn the wrong things from them.
Some people say being fat isn't their fault. It's genetic. But that doesn't make sense if Darwin was right. Because many fat people can't even cary their own weight when walking. In ancient times, they would have to hunt for their own food, and if they were so fat, they couldn't catch anything to eat. Of course then they wouldn't be so fat. But who believes in Darwin anyway.
Join with me in banning fat people.
Or not. But think of the children! Oh, the children! Those fat little children!