The fratricide will be especially vicious, with any luck at all the current incarnation of the Republican Party will split into sane / honorable and whack job / criminal camps.. I believe there are many good people that support the Re pugs who will finally realize that they have allowed the wrong people to guide their party, And a word to the wise, let the other guy's mistake tell you where you can go wrong. The repugs were corrupted when results became more important than process.
sukabi1
· 1 year ago
I'm not seeing the down side here....
But I think they are misgauging where they are in relation to "Rock Bottom"... they've still got some falling to do.... they'll know they've arrived when they finally face the monsters they courted and embraced to get the "values voters" support.
Steve_in_CNJ
· 1 year ago
you may have noticed that these rock-bottom conservatives are trying to survive by arguing that the country is center-right. you can create that illusion by traficking in fear and hate but only for so long (there's such a thing as economic reality and war fatigue). progressive governance is sustainable and that's why democrats don't bottom out even in a slump. the republicans' predicament actually proves the country is center-left.
MC_Haiku
· 1 year ago
Anybody have the hotline number? I have lots of suggestions for them.
On a side note, I went over to teamsarah.org to see how they were handling the latest revelations about Bible Spice's antics on the campaign trail. There is a recent comments/chat section ... these people are batshit ...
Older_Wiser
· 1 year ago
This abominable site is sponsored by the "Susan B. Anthony List" which makes you think they are a feminist organization. They're anything but. They would prefer women to return to the era of being brood mares, perfect wives and housekeepers, while homeschooling their kids and holding down a full time job, all while in high heels and full makeup--you know, pretty much slaves to men. I got a number of slickly done mailers from them during the campaign, which I promptly returned to sender.
You can bet your bottom dollar that rightwing religious nut men are behind this organization with money--they only put women speakers and promoters in for effect. They are SCUM and never reveal their true agenda until women are totally sucked in.
prochoicelib
· 1 year ago
Now is our chance to become what smarmy GOP activists have been since the 1980's...concern troll.
If I wasn't so angry over the state they've left the country I'd suggest they 1) control the criminals in your party and 2) excise the religious crazies and build on the moderates you exiled.
But then the words from that Ron Suskind book keep leaping to mind, and I want to sit back and watch them flounder in obscurity for what I hope is decades when I reflect on this quote: ''That's not the way the world really works anymore,'' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.'' http://www.cs.umass.edu/~immerman/play/opinion0...
Its a stunning article to read four years later.
MC_Haiku
· 1 year ago
great article. thanks for the link.
flowerofhighrank
· 1 year ago
and what they're going to figure out is... ...that America looks a lot more like us.
It's like the end of 'Red Square', when all the ex-communists gather in front of the Kremlin and really see each other for the first time. Lies don't work any more.
medaka
· 1 year ago
We totally need the hotline number and website.
It would be an awful lot of fun, and maybe they would even listen to us when we tell them to a) hate more (to help them lose or b) hate less (to make them nicer).....
Reach across the aisle -- Woo hoo!
JoyceH
· 1 year ago
Wow, this is a peculiar and compelling quote:
"A Republican congressman from Michigan, Thaddeus McCotter, told the Washington Times: "We're rock bottom. We are now free to start thinking again, acting again, and doing the right thing by what our constituents and our country need.""
Ummm - what previously constrained them from thinking, acting, and doing the right thing by what their constituents and their country need?
Does it not even occur to them that FAILURE to think, act, and do the right thing might be why they LOST?
Older_Wiser
· 1 year ago
As Indigo commented once, "Crimea river."
They can go to hell for all I care. They only cared for their own asses and how they could destroy this great country.
Don't forget--they promoted the most ignorant president in modern history, got him into office by lies and deceit and let him loose. And want to promote someone even more ignorant than him. They want to dumb down every institution of government, not to mention the entire population of the US.
If I may throw away my entire vocabulary for a second: Fuck the Rethuglicons.
dad
· 1 year ago
failure. republican failure.
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
Suggestion No 1 (you won't need any others): Dump the white trash Baptist god guns gays crap. Oh whoops that's all you have now. Well at least it's a start for you...toward perhaps the 2508 election cycle. Good luck with that.
zorbear
· 1 year ago
"It is a long way from the ambition of Karl Rove, George Bush's strategy adviser, four years ago to build a party that would dominate US politics for a generation."
Let's see... and how long did the previous "Thousand Year Reich" last?
RevDrBillyBob
· 1 year ago
In 1964, Barry Goldwater got 38% of the vote; in 2008, John McCain got 46% of the vote ... the Right is stronger today than it was in 1964.
coolcatdaddy
· 1 year ago
True, but the country and the Republicans are in a very different place right now. The socially conservative wing of the party is poised to split from the Republicans, much the same way that school busing and civil rights caused Wallace to emerge as a third party outier later on in the 1960s.
The Republicans today have three basic components - the business conservatives, war hawk neocons, and the social conservatives. The problem is that their philosophies are, at the most basic level, incompatible with each other - you can't have fiscal restraint and less government with bigger spending on war or more government intrusion in private life. And none of those three wings have concerns on their radar that most of the public gives a rat's ass about right now.
nicho
· 1 year ago
Silly comparison and a totally invalid conclusion
bosdav
· 1 year ago
a political party wallowing in the mires of the 20th century....refusing to adapt
paulbe
· 1 year ago
Public show trials and hangings of Bush, Cheney, Rice, and the whole Pentagon "Special Plans" crowd, followed by the deportation of the AIPAC/ADL fifth column crowd. Good places to start.
Indigo
· 1 year ago
Rock bottom isn't low enough. Historical footnote would be more to my taste.
bluestockton
· 1 year ago
That would be delightful symmetry. The GOP was founded to oppose against the Whig party, and sure enough, the party of Lincoln caused the Whigs to disappear.
Indigo
· 1 year ago
It's fun in a sense because neither the Declaration of Independence nor the Constitution says anything about political parties or their processes. Personally, I'd like to see a myriad of little parties that sometimes work together and sometimes go their own ways. This megaparty thing we have now is unwieldy and prone to demagoguery.
bluestockton
· 1 year ago
Then we'd have a government like Israel or postwar Italy, both of which are a little too chaotic for Americans' tastes.
Indigo
· 1 year ago
Exactly! and what fun the public would have re-learning how to govern itself.
bluestockton
· 1 year ago
I'm reminded of Coultergeist's book "If Democrats Had Any Sense, They'd Be Republicans." The Rethugs need to appeal to more than CEOs and white Southern Christian men. But if they could figure out how to do that, they'd be Democrats.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
I call on the Republican Party to disband, without delay.
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
i second that.
really. then we can just all be Americans working together. and rush limpdick would finally be out of work. ah.
MNUSA
· 1 year ago
Boehner's letter in the Washington Post doesn't sound as though they have learned anything. He sounds as thought it will be business as usual with the Repubs blocking any corrective, progressive legislation proposed.
cwzilla
· 1 year ago
Whats the number too that GOP hotline I got a few suggestions for them one is dont go away mad just go away ah hell go away mad and take your riech wing bible thumpers neocon war hawks and karl rove and your sour grapes and just go away your in your end times get use to it
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But I think they are misgauging where they are in relation to "Rock Bottom"... they've still got some falling to do.... they'll know they've arrived when they finally face the monsters they courted and embraced to get the "values voters" support.
On a side note, I went over to teamsarah.org to see how they were handling the latest revelations about Bible Spice's antics on the campaign trail. There is a recent comments/chat section ... these people are batshit ...
You can bet your bottom dollar that rightwing religious nut men are behind this organization with money--they only put women speakers and promoters in for effect. They are SCUM and never reveal their true agenda until women are totally sucked in.
If I wasn't so angry over the state they've left the country I'd suggest they 1) control the criminals in your party and 2) excise the religious crazies and build on the moderates you exiled.
But then the words from that Ron Suskind book keep leaping to mind, and I want to sit back and watch them flounder in obscurity for what I hope is decades when I reflect on this quote:
''That's not the way the world really works anymore,'' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''
http://www.cs.umass.edu/~immerman/play/opinion0...
Its a stunning article to read four years later.
...that America looks a lot more like us.
It's like the end of 'Red Square', when all the ex-communists gather in front of the Kremlin and really see each other for the first time.
Lies don't work any more.
It would be an awful lot of fun, and maybe they would even listen to us when we tell them to a) hate more (to help them lose or b) hate less (to make them nicer).....
Reach across the aisle -- Woo hoo!
"A Republican congressman from Michigan, Thaddeus McCotter, told the Washington Times: "We're rock bottom. We are now free to start thinking again, acting again, and doing the right thing by what our constituents and our country need.""
Ummm - what previously constrained them from thinking, acting, and doing the right thing by what their constituents and their country need?
Does it not even occur to them that FAILURE to think, act, and do the right thing might be why they LOST?
They can go to hell for all I care. They only cared for their own asses and how they could destroy this great country.
Don't forget--they promoted the most ignorant president in modern history, got him into office by lies and deceit and let him loose. And want to promote someone even more ignorant than him. They want to dumb down every institution of government, not to mention the entire population of the US.
If I may throw away my entire vocabulary for a second: Fuck the Rethuglicons.
Let's see... and how long did the previous "Thousand Year Reich" last?
The Republicans today have three basic components - the business conservatives, war hawk neocons, and the social conservatives. The problem is that their philosophies are, at the most basic level, incompatible with each other - you can't have fiscal restraint and less government with bigger spending on war or more government intrusion in private life. And none of those three wings have concerns on their radar that most of the public gives a rat's ass about right now.
really. then we can just all be Americans working together. and rush limpdick would finally be out of work. ah.
dont go away mad just go away ah hell go away mad and take your riech wing bible thumpers neocon war hawks and karl rove and your sour grapes and just go away your in your end times get use to it