"It doesn't matter if the allegations or true or not. "
That is one unbelievable statement. The Republican mantra from the '90s.
hawkseye
· 1 year ago
Glad to hear the Washington Times is pitching in. Can't think of nicer folks for a return scandal to happen to than the Clintons. "As you sow, so shall you reap," Hillary.
ikonoklast
· 1 year ago
Yeah, pretty much what I've been saying forever now. These dumb people and their "dream ticket" nonsense have been annoying the hell out of me. Put Clinton (and her husband) anywhere on the presidential ticket, and the GOP will unleash an entire barrage of Clinton scandal material from the 90's that they have all saved up and ready. Rush and company are just waiting, itching, salivating to do this.
The Clintons would be a huge liabilty to the Dem presidential ticket if only for this very reason. (Not to mention all the others...)
ndtovent
· 1 year ago
I said this wayyyy back... That whitewater (among tons of other baggage) would come back to bite her, and this is just more evidence of that. She's not electable against mccain.
sittenpretty
· 1 year ago
OK time to have DIFI have tea and Sympathy with Lady Clinton
jr
· 1 year ago
"october surprise!"-Hillary
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Scandals aside, Tweety actually humanized lipless Howard Wolfson this evening, kinda...Maybe it was Tweety's new senate-freshened hair color...But Wolfson said Donna Rodham-Quixote would hump her windmill to the convention...
naschkatzehussein
· 1 year ago
OT, but I really think this is an interesting post over at DailyKos. It's an interview of the WVWV by "Adam B" on their actions in the NC robo calls. Apparently, and good on them, the NC AG is investigating it and the NAACP has issued a complaint about it. It's interesting how there is no response to many of Adam B's questions as if there would be legal considerations why the WVWV would not want to respond.
mountainhigh
· 1 year ago
Prezz
And Tweety just brought up the "white" issue which John pointed out early this morning. Did you hear the one pundit say point blank the reason is because Hillary is saying white voters won't vote for Obama? If Hillary continues on this rant it is going to cost the Democratic party dearly in the fall.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Hate to say it.
But after watching Hillary for the past 6 months.
I believe the allegations that she lied.
mountainhigh
· 1 year ago
OT
Ah even Olberman is going to run a few words on Hillary's "white working class" comment.
chode
· 1 year ago
Call her Cleopatra - Queen of Denile. If she can't face it that she's lost the Democratic Nomination, she's not going to let a little thing like Whitewater get in her way.
On another note - I think this is the best representation of Hillary's Downfall. Not work appropriate (and there's a word or two that made me wince)but funny as all get out:
Any damage from the latest Clintonian channeling of Lurleen Wallace will accrue to the Clintons and staff and not the party unless party leaders continue coddling Mr & Mrs Bill over the democratic foiling of their near Bushian neo-imperial hereditary presumption...
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
But John: Hillary would want us to "get the allegations out on the table."
A decade before Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton admitted fudging the truth during the presidential campaign, federal prosecutors quietly assembled hundreds of pages of evidence suggesting she concealed information and misled a federal grand jury about her work for a failing Arkansas savings and loan at the heart of the Whitewater probe, according to once-secret documents that detail the internal debates over whether she should have faced criminal charges.
Ordinarily, such files containing grand jury evidence and prosecutors' deliberations are never made public. But the estate of Sam Dash, a lifelong Democrat who served as the ethics adviser to Whitewater Independent Counsel Kenneth W. Starr, donated his documents from the infamous 1990s investigation to the Library of Congress after his 2004 death, unwittingly injecting into the public domain much of the testimony and evidence gathered against Mrs. Clinton from former law partners, White House aides and other witnesses.
Beginning in March 1992 and continuing over the next several years, Mrs. Clinton steadfastly denied that she ever "earned a penny" in representing her Rose Law Firm clients, including the failing thrift's owners, James and Susan McDougal — the Clintons' partners in the Whitewater Development Corp. project.
But the newly discovered records, more than 1,100 pages in 30 separate documents, tell a different story.
bkmn
· 1 year ago
Power is the operative word here.
Bill and Hill think they are in control of the situation. So they hold that power over their friends in the Senate and House. "We helped you...now help us."
"If you screw us over, your political future is toast."
Translation to the present day, Pelosi and Feinstein quake in their boots, afraid to lose their power, lest Billary cut off their power supply.
Wake up Nan and Di....there is a new game in town....
Hillary will pay for her racist remarks.
Game over.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
In a report titled "Hubbell Hush Money Summary," Whitewater investigators said that a day before Mr. Hubbell quit, Mrs. Clinton and other top administration officials met privately at the White House to arrange for him to receive hundreds of thousands of dollars in consulting fees at a time his cooperation in the Whitewater probe could have resulted in charges against the then-first lady.
The records said Mrs. Clinton took an active role in White House efforts to "take care of" Mr. Hubbell financially, helping to locate campaign supporters who divvied up more than $450,000 over the next nine months mostly for consulting work he never did.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Let's "get it out on the table and see what's there..."
Another major area of concern, authorities said, was an option agreement regulators said "facilitated" a questionable $300,000 payment to Seth Ward, the Madison official to whom Mrs. Clinton had spoken about Castle Grande. The agreement was written by Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Hubbell and guaranteed Mr. Ward a payoff and negated his liability in the project. While the option was never exercised, it disguised the reason for the payment and created a paper trail to justify the outlay to Mr. Ward, who was Mr. Hubbell's father-in-law.
Mrs. Clinton told the RTC in May 1995 she had no memory of providing legal services for Mr. Ward and said in a sworn statement she did not know the Castle Grande name, thinking the project was called IDC even though the Castle Grande name was widely associated with the site.
bumpkis
· 1 year ago
Seems odd the WT came out with this NOW and could not hold their fire any longer.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
And, by the way, Hillary was never vetted.
She stonewalled until she left the White House and the Repubs quit caring.
They're quite capable of caring again, and this time the stonewalling won't work.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Permalinkbumpkis
Seems odd the WT came out with this NOW and could not hold their fire any longer.
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Usually that means somebody else is working on the story and they don't want to get scooped.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
From MSNBC's David Shuster Two Republican officials at the Republican National Committee who are involved in "opposition research efforts" in preparation for the general election say the RNC's oppo research dossier on Sen. Clinton runs more than 1,200 pages in length.
According to these officials, the book includes "previously undisclosed information about Hillary Clinton's connections to the Whitewater scandal, travel office firings, and Democratic fundraising efforts." Given that the book has not been shared with us, we've been unable to confirm this assertion. Furthermore, the Republican officials would not describe the nature of the "new information."
However, I was not directed away from a front-page story in today's Washington Times about memos/documents from the estate of Sam Dash, Ken Starr's ethics adviser during the early stages of the Whitewater investigation. The Dash Whitewater memos and documents have been turned over to the Library of Congress (where they were presumably available to the Washington Times reporter/researcher). The documents reportedly show that prosecutors concluded that Hillary Clinton concealed information and misled a federal grand jury about her work for the Savings and Loan at the heart of the Whitewater investigation. The allegation that she concealed and misled is not new, and was sourced by reporters who covered the investigation in the 1990s (including me) to "attorneys close to Starr" or "sources in the office of the independent counsel."
The documents from Dash's estate, however, mark the first available "documentary evidence" that Ken Starr's office drafted a criminal indictment of Senator Clinton, also known as a "pros memo" and debated verbally and through written memos whether Clinton should actually face charges.
I now wish that I and millions of Americans had never fought the Re-HYPO-can impeachment . If HE-who-is-MORE woulda been convicted and tossed , we'd have been royally and rightfully PISSED , , ,
BUT...
Gore would be President TO-F#cking-DAY !
AWOL-George would be off the wagon and a foolish footnote of history .
9-11 would NEVER have happened because of the weekly White House meetings on terrorism that Dumbya didn't get to until weeks before September 11th . Remember , nailing hookers in New Orleans was Numero Uno on the Bushit " just-us" Department's list of priorities . Terrorism was # 11 for "I'm BUSY covering Boobs, don't bother me" Ashcroft .
John- You have so lost your credibility on this issue. There are lots of reasons to not vote for Hillary (and, btw, she's not my candidate). Getting your knickers in a twist over what the Republican noise machine might do is not one of them. Hillary or Obama--the Repugs are going to be in full court press during the entire Democratic administration. It doesn't matter who's in the Oval Office --and you know it.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Hillary or Obama--the Repugs are going to be in full court press during the entire Democratic administration. It doesn't matter who's in the Oval Office --and you know it.
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Of course he does.
But Hillary apparently doesn't, because she says, unlike Obama, she's been "fully vetted" and will not be hit with scandals in the fall.
DougStamate
· 1 year ago
From the published story: "...documents reportedly show that prosecutors concluded that Hillary Clinton concealed information and misled a grand jury ..." And who was that prosecutor? And why wasn't (then) Mrs. Clinton indicted? I read the article; there is no new evidence, simply notes on what the prosecutors believed - repeat, believed. "...doesn't hold a candle to the stuff in the Starr Report."? There wasn't anything in the Starr Report, that's what everyone was complaining about - $70 million and all we got was a loss on a real estate investment? I understood that supporters of Sen. Obama were above the Republican tactics (that's something only SHE would do) of implying guilt without any evidence. And I wouldn't get too blase about the Rev. Wright; his book comes out in October and for some reason I feel certain that it will be a best-seller - at least among certain Republicans.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
I understood that supporters of Sen. Obama were above the Republican tactics (that's something only SHE would do) of implying guilt without any evidence. And I wouldn't get too blase about the Rev. Wright; his book comes out in October and for some reason I feel certain that it will be a best-seller - at least among certain Republicans.
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As Hillary and her supporters say:
"We don't know what's there. Let's get it all out on the table so we don't have any surprises in the fall.. Hillary needs to come clean and tell us what might be there"
Steve_in_CNJ
· 1 year ago
is it possible to slide so far to the left that you re-enter on the right and become a republican? god forfend, as bill buckley liked to say. but this is the most ridiculous anit-hillary post i've ever seen in the left blogosphere. MoveOn would be ashamed.
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That is one unbelievable statement. The Republican mantra from the '90s.
The Clintons would be a huge liabilty to the Dem presidential ticket if only for this very reason. (Not to mention all the others...)
And Tweety just brought up the "white" issue which John pointed out early this morning. Did you hear the one pundit say point blank the reason is because Hillary is saying white voters won't vote for Obama? If Hillary continues on this rant it is going to cost the Democratic party dearly in the fall.
But after watching Hillary for the past 6 months.
I believe the allegations that she lied.
Ah even Olberman is going to run a few words on Hillary's "white working class" comment.
On another note - I think this is the best representation of Hillary's Downfall. Not work appropriate (and there's a word or two that made me wince)but funny as all get out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Lstkiexhc
A decade before Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton admitted fudging the truth during the presidential campaign, federal prosecutors quietly assembled hundreds of pages of evidence suggesting she concealed information and misled a federal grand jury about her work for a failing Arkansas savings and loan at the heart of the Whitewater probe, according to once-secret documents that detail the internal debates over whether she should have faced criminal charges.
Ordinarily, such files containing grand jury evidence and prosecutors' deliberations are never made public. But the estate of Sam Dash, a lifelong Democrat who served as the ethics adviser to Whitewater Independent Counsel Kenneth W. Starr, donated his documents from the infamous 1990s investigation to the Library of Congress after his 2004 death, unwittingly injecting into the public domain much of the testimony and evidence gathered against Mrs. Clinton from former law partners, White House aides and other witnesses.
Beginning in March 1992 and continuing over the next several years, Mrs. Clinton steadfastly denied that she ever "earned a penny" in representing her Rose Law Firm clients, including the failing thrift's owners, James and Susan McDougal — the Clintons' partners in the Whitewater Development Corp. project.
But the newly discovered records, more than 1,100 pages in 30 separate documents, tell a different story.
Bill and Hill think they are in control of the situation. So they hold that power over their friends in the Senate and House. "We helped you...now help us."
"If you screw us over, your political future is toast."
Translation to the present day, Pelosi and Feinstein quake in their boots, afraid to lose their power, lest Billary cut off their power supply.
Wake up Nan and Di....there is a new game in town....
Hillary will pay for her racist remarks.
Game over.
The records said Mrs. Clinton took an active role in White House efforts to "take care of" Mr. Hubbell financially, helping to locate campaign supporters who divvied up more than $450,000 over the next nine months mostly for consulting work he never did.
Another major area of concern, authorities said, was an option agreement regulators said "facilitated" a questionable $300,000 payment to Seth Ward, the Madison official to whom Mrs. Clinton had spoken about Castle Grande. The agreement was written by Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Hubbell and guaranteed Mr. Ward a payoff and negated his liability in the project. While the option was never exercised, it disguised the reason for the payment and created a paper trail to justify the outlay to Mr. Ward, who was Mr. Hubbell's father-in-law.
Mrs. Clinton told the RTC in May 1995 she had no memory of providing legal services for Mr. Ward and said in a sworn statement she did not know the Castle Grande name, thinking the project was called IDC even though the Castle Grande name was widely associated with the site.
She stonewalled until she left the White House and the Repubs quit caring.
They're quite capable of caring again, and this time the stonewalling won't work.
Seems odd the WT came out with this NOW and could not hold their fire any longer.
-----
Usually that means somebody else is working on the story and they don't want to get scooped.
Two Republican officials at the Republican National Committee who are involved in "opposition research efforts" in preparation for the general election say the RNC's oppo research dossier on Sen. Clinton runs more than 1,200 pages in length.
According to these officials, the book includes "previously undisclosed information about Hillary Clinton's connections to the Whitewater scandal, travel office firings, and Democratic fundraising efforts." Given that the book has not been shared with us, we've been unable to confirm this assertion. Furthermore, the Republican officials would not describe the nature of the "new information."
However, I was not directed away from a front-page story in today's Washington Times about memos/documents from the estate of Sam Dash, Ken Starr's ethics adviser during the early stages of the Whitewater investigation. The Dash Whitewater memos and documents have been turned over to the Library of Congress (where they were presumably available to the Washington Times reporter/researcher). The documents reportedly show that prosecutors concluded that Hillary Clinton concealed information and misled a federal grand jury about her work for the Savings and Loan at the heart of the Whitewater investigation. The allegation that she concealed and misled is not new, and was sourced by reporters who covered the investigation in the 1990s (including me) to "attorneys close to Starr" or "sources in the office of the independent counsel."
The documents from Dash's estate, however, mark the first available "documentary evidence" that Ken Starr's office drafted a criminal indictment of Senator Clinton, also known as a "pros memo" and debated verbally and through written memos whether Clinton should actually face charges.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/...
BUT...
Gore would be President TO-F#cking-DAY !
AWOL-George would be off the wagon and a foolish footnote of history .
9-11 would NEVER have happened because of the weekly White House meetings on terrorism that Dumbya didn't get to until weeks before September 11th . Remember , nailing hookers in New Orleans was Numero Uno on the Bushit " just-us" Department's list of priorities . Terrorism was # 11 for "I'm BUSY covering Boobs, don't bother me" Ashcroft .
No irony there folks , , , Move on .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPirYDvwM30&feat...
Why am I reminded of this classic...
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I didn't know Johnny Ramone could play piano.
There are lots of reasons to not vote for Hillary (and, btw, she's not my candidate). Getting your knickers in a twist over what the Republican noise machine might do is not one of them. Hillary or Obama--the Repugs are going to be in full court press during the entire Democratic administration. It doesn't matter who's in the Oval Office --and you know it.
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Of course he does.
But Hillary apparently doesn't, because she says, unlike Obama, she's been "fully vetted" and will not be hit with scandals in the fall.
And who was that prosecutor? And why wasn't (then) Mrs. Clinton indicted?
I read the article; there is no new evidence, simply notes on what the prosecutors believed - repeat, believed.
"...doesn't hold a candle to the stuff in the Starr Report."? There wasn't anything in the Starr Report, that's what everyone was complaining about - $70 million and all we got was a loss on a real estate investment? I understood that supporters of Sen. Obama were above the Republican tactics (that's something only SHE would do) of implying guilt without any evidence.
And I wouldn't get too blase about the Rev. Wright; his book comes out in October and for some reason I feel certain that it will be a best-seller - at least among certain Republicans.
And I wouldn't get too blase about the Rev. Wright; his book comes out in October and for some reason I feel certain that it will be a best-seller - at least among certain Republicans.
----
As Hillary and her supporters say:
"We don't know what's there. Let's get it all out on the table so we don't have any surprises in the fall.. Hillary needs to come clean and tell us what might be there"
meanwhile i recommend this amazing post on the FISA fiasco over at DKos:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/8/1846...