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AMERICAblog: Hillary adviser invokes the crucifixion of Christ to Hillary's partisan advantage over Obama

  • grandma · 1 year ago
    3/22/08

    PRINCETON, NJ -- Barack Obama has quickly made up the deficit he faced with Hillary Clinton earlier this week, with the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update on Democratic presidential nomination preferences showing 48% of Democratic voters favoring Obama and 45% Clinton.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/105529/Gallup-Daily-...
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    Yeah, that was on DKos too.

    Pretty good: He took their worst garbage, went down for a couple days, then bounced right back up.

    Give it up Hillary: People don't like you.
  • dad · 1 year ago
    isn't he a sports pundit now?

    anyone remember when James had balls?
  • the_political_junkie · 1 year ago
    Yes, it was before he married Cruella De Ville, aka Mary Matalin.
  • Tom3 · 1 year ago
    Carville knows all about betrayal. He has been betraying the party since he started sleeping with the enemy. Carville stopped being a Democrat a long time ago.
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    "It's not a question of who's more positive or who's more negative," Singer said. Wolfson followed up: "Sen. Obama is telling people he's running one kind of campaign when in fact he's running a different kind of campaign."

    Got that?

    For the record, Obama's campaign responded with this statement from spokesman Bill Burton: "Since the Clinton campaign had a news-less conference call, reiterating tired lines of attack with no basis in reality, instead of responding with a call of our own, we are going to give the press corps a break so that we can all enjoy this holiday weekend with our families and maybe even watch a little basketball."

    http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog...
  • dad · 1 year ago
    OK. I'll give Hillary until Sunday to rise from the dead.
  • hauksdottir · 1 year ago
    Beautiful!

    She thinks she's entitled to a throne, but perhaps we need to ask if her membership in The Family guarantees her a heavenly one on God's other hand.

    :ptui: on all dynastic pretenders to power.

    NO MORE CLINTONS. NO MORE BUSHES. NO MORE DYNASTIC FAMILIES.

    BTW, it looks like Pakistan will have a temporary PM until Bhutto's husband (Mr 40%) can join parliament and then take over the slot. Would Hillary be happier if the Democratic Party was named the Clintonistas? And Church & State was enmeshed to keep her family in power as a divine right? Critics would be considered heretics as well as traitors. How far back into feudalism does she want to take this country?

    I weep for Lady Liberty and an America that could have been.
  • grasshopper · 1 year ago
    How about Richardson is Samson. Having grown a beard, he gains the inner strength to break free from the oppressive rule of the Clinton dynasty.
  • dad · 1 year ago
    Who would Monica be?
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    mary magdalen
  • vkobaya · 1 year ago
    First we had the insane, mad-dog who claimed God spoke to him to go to war with Iraq. Now we have James Carville claiming that Hillary Clinton is the Second Coming. I hope we learned our lesson from the first one.
  • Arachnae · 1 year ago
    Now we have James Carville claiming that Hillary Clinton is the Second Coming.

    Oh, come on... Everyone knows Obama is The Chosen One.

    Red pill? or blue pill?
  • dad · 1 year ago
    cigar?
  • ekwhite · 1 year ago
    Just. Don't. Go. There.
  • jr · 1 year ago
    Hillary can't even manage a campaign budget but her Koolaidians think she's a messiah
  • DaveinMpls · 1 year ago
    I'll paraphrase the question i asked earlier: Barack has a lock on the nomination as crowed here in AB--why all the HRC-hatred? The smarter strategy for BO supporters would be to focus on McCain, and ignore HRC.

    Bringing up Monica to damage HRC is kind of like bringing up Elizabeth Edward's cancer--clearly it was a tragedy in her life. BC left office with a 68% apporval rate despite. It just makes BO supporters, AB and the AP look tacky. If BO supporters stoop as low as HRC allegedly does, where's the change we're voting for?

    Whoever wins the nomination needs to be able to unite the party (they will be solely to blame if it is not united, although BO supporters will blame HRC regardless). This kind of post hurts BO's chances by alienating the approx half of the party that does support HRC.

    BO says "we are the change." Does that mean anything, John? When the Dalai Lama's followers riot, his commitment to non-violence compelled him to get them to stop by threatening to resign. We're on the cusp here where change happens, or it's proven as empty rhetoric. It's the actions of BO followers that will determine success.
  • grasshopper · 1 year ago
    I agree the Monica rehash drums up the sympathy for Hillary especially among her first wives club fan base. Imagine, Hillary being in the WH while Bill is busting a nut and leaving her to answer the 3am phone call.
  • shanobama · 1 year ago
    This is why I think Richardsons announcement was so brilliant. Stop fighting amongst yourselves, Democrats. Obama made a great speech on race and religion, then on Iraq and foreign policy that Richardson must have loved.

    Richardson is playing the great diplomat here, stopping a fight or asking them to fight McCain. He is suggesting the superdelegates end this primary contest in June, certainly. Edwards needs to endorse in May or June. So Richardson has the tact to call for party unity before the convention. He is brilliant.
  • ekwhite · 1 year ago
    Point 1: Why the HRC hatred? I can't speak for John, but my disgust is precisely because Hillary Clinton does not have a chance to win. Her continued campaign forces Obama to spend money fighting her when he should be spending money taking on McCain. This is especially true when she is going negative on a fellow Democrat with her kitchen sink strategy. Even though she has little chance to win, she is pursuing a strategy that makes it difficult for the front-runner in the general election. To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, I would remind you of the 11th commandment: "Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Democrat."

    Point 2: I agree with you that we should not be bringing up the Monica Lewinsky affair. AP did it, not the Obama campaign. As far as John linking to the AP article, I agree with you. That also violates the 11th commandment.

    Point 3: I tend to agree with you that John should tone it down a little. However, James Carville did compare Bill Richardson to Judas. That is a legitimate item to post about, as it is an outrageous statement.

    Point 4: Are you suggesting that Barack Obama should step down from the campaign because of a few nasty posts by Obama supporters? What about calling for Hillary Clinton to step down because of the nasty things her campaign advisors have been saying about Barack Obama, including the Geraldine Ferraro statement, the emails about Obama being a Muslim, and pushing the Jeremiah Wright story behind the scenes.

    By the way (off-topic), that video that was playing in a continuous loop on the MSM was carefully edited to make Wright seem like a loon - if you listen to the entire sermon, it is not racist or anti-American at all. For example, in the 'chickens coming home to roost' piece, he was quoting the former ambassador to Iraq, who was a REAGAN appointee. He finishes up the sermon by saying that he and his flock should take time to examine their own relationship to God in light of 9/11. What he actually said was much less offensive that statements to the press by Falwell and Robertson.
  • DaveinMpls · 1 year ago
    Point 4: Of course I'm not suggesting he step down. Gandhi went on a hunger strike, but i don't see BO caring what types of tactics are employed--he's scorching the earth right back. What kind of change is he offering? I would think meaningful change in our politics would start with supporters and a campaign who are above this kind of thing, but I'm not seeing the leadership.

    You justify this as tit for tat. (and believe me, I'm not trying to justify HRC). With the nomination in the bag, isn't it time to get past that? It will just make it harder for BO to unite the party.
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    No, he's not scorching the earth right back.

    I wish he was.
  • GrantinHouston · 1 year ago
    The nomination isn't in the bag as Hillary will fight right up to Denver if need be. She and Bill don't care about the Democratic Party, they only care about their power. In the meantime, she and Obama spend a HALF BILLION dollars fighting each other while John McCain gets a pass to spend his money on defeating the Democrats. This prolonged battle by HRC is ridiculous. You can can bet if Obama was consistently behind in delegates and popular vote he would have been nudged out before now.
  • DaveinMpls · 1 year ago
    I keep hearing on this site that HRC has no possible path. Are you saying she does?
  • ekwhite · 1 year ago
    Sure, she has a possible path, but not a likely path. Her possible path is continuing negative campaigning until Obama is so damaged he can't win in the general election and is forced to step down. That will so damage the Democratic party that we will have a Republican sweep despite coming off the worst Republican presidency in history.
  • Mikki --SE Pennsylvania · 1 year ago
    Geez ekwhite, Sun 11:15a, are you trying to suggest that Dubya is the worst president in the history of the republic?
  • ekwhite · 1 year ago
    I was a bit redundant there, wasn't I? Worst Republican President ever = Worst President ever. It's so bad, I almost miss Nixon.
  • John Aravosis · 1 year ago
    Hillary is hurting Obama, and that is hurting our chances against McCain. So we can't ignore her, as she's trying to bring down the party. As for Monica, if you don't think that we're going to be dealing with Monica, again, or someone just like her, well, I think you're in a very small minority. Hillary wants to talk about the kitchen sink, then let's talk about the kitchen sink. We get Hillary, then we get Bill too. If we're going to discuss everything they're going to throw against Obama, then let's discuss how HIllary is going to deal with the next bimbo eruption from Bill, when it ties our country in knots AGAIN for 2 years. It's sad, but relevant.
  • DaveinMpls · 1 year ago
    My whole point is that HRC is now irrelevant (no chance to win), continuing to focus on her will bring down the party. Don't empower her further.
  • DaveinMpls · 1 year ago
    Great rock-star photo icon, by the way.
  • BorninUSA · 1 year ago
    That is what is so puzzling. If it was Obama who was behind with no chance of winning, the Clintons would be demanding, I say demanding, that Obama get the hell out. Where are all of those big Democrats who stood on the stage with Obama and promised their support. T. Kennedy, C. Kennedy, M. Shriver, seems Obama could use a word or two of encouragement.
  • Measured_Response · 1 year ago
    " We get Hillary, then we get Bill too."

    You might want to get this guy too:
    "The CEO of a company whose employee is accused of improperly looking at the passport files of presidential candidates is a consultant to the Barack Obama campaign, a source said Saturday. John O. Brennan, president and CEO of the Analysis Corp., advises the Illinois Democrat on foreign policy and intelligence issues, the source said.

    Brennan briefed the media on behalf of the campaign this month.

    The executive is a former senior CIA official and former interim director of the National Counterterrorism Center.
    http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/22/pass...
  • Tom3 · 1 year ago
    (in Jimmy Cagney voice) Where's your Messiah now? Yeah!
  • OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago
    I'll take a mature adult who speaks to us as adults over a whiny ambitious politico who has her surrogates throw feces at her perceived "enemies."

    Alpha males seem to abound in Clinton's campaign, which is amazing, considering Clinton's claims of feminism.
  • Tom3 · 1 year ago
    That Mark Penn is a real asshole. And remember that Clinton aide last week who said that the President has to do whatever Israel says. Ugh.
  • OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago
    How many lobbyists does Clinton have on her staff now? Should be about the same as McCrazy, I'd think.
  • Chris From Maine · 1 year ago
    all of the clinton campaign people are assholes. They hate everyone and everything that doesnt bow at the feet of their Queen. (ask David Shuster et al about that...)
  • ccokz · 1 year ago
    http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2008/03/beardy-rich...
    At first, I want to congratulate Mr. Richardson on his Placido Domingo outward appearance. Hes in no danger to be confused with Oussam Bin Laden wearing a beard. Now the intonation he owns since counting himself to the male sex is convincing insofar as he supports the only male bein left in the race.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavarotti
    Now, Obama didnt look so eager on the picture showin himself with Richardson. Its perthaps because Richardson wanted some cheaper way, some pro Iranian goo-goo, whatsoever. Some populsim easy to pay. Now, truth is not to be achieved with fahrts and Mr.Carville is surely correct by having this principal thought. Now, the comparison to Judas is a bit strong. Now, I dont suspect Mr.Carville is coloured brown by origin so I guess he got some storys in his pocket he cant tell you. Anyway, the comparison is a bit too strong.
  • Dumbo · 1 year ago
    Who else will betray Hillary before the cock crows thrice????
  • lynchie · 1 year ago
    I would guess Bill's, his rooster has always crowed.
  • naschkatzehussein · 1 year ago
    If Richardson is Judas, that makes Hillary the Messiah. Wait a minute. . . . wasn't, you know . . . .? Anyway, Mel Gibson missed the boat. He should have used James Carville for The Serpent in The Passion.
  • Chris From Maine · 1 year ago
    i firmly believe this is what BIll and HIllary think too.

    I can hear them saying to each other "How dare that little (racial slur for hispanics) betray us! We will make him pay someday!"
  • Rab · 1 year ago
    They were all about the Clintons and no one else. Carville saying that sums up what Bill's presidency was, all about the Clintons. This is what turns people off about politics, when the person becomes bigger than the cause.
  • BorninUSA · 1 year ago
    There but for the grace of God, goes Bill and Hillary, settled in a trailer park in Arkansas. Sorry, that is an insult to anyone who lives in a trailer park in Arkansas.
  • interlude · 1 year ago
    i am convinced that the Clintons cannot believe anyone would have the chutzpah to challenge their power or their "right" to the Oval Office.
    Just imagine if things were reversed: if Clinton had won over a dozen primaries in a row, was ahead in the delegate count, ahead in the popular vote, and way ahead in the number of states won.
    I suspect there would be tremendous pressure on Obama to pull out.
    i further suspect Clinton would regard a decision by Obama to stay in the race as underhanded chicanery.

    and yet what do we see in the current situation?
    Clinton in the exact same situation carries on, with a minimal chance of victory,and actually had the ovaries to offer Obama a veep slot.
    everything she does now is intended to destroy his standing vs McCain.
    she and Bill even speak more favorably of the Republican than they do of their Dem opponent.
    the Clintons believe they are entitled to power and sneer at the suggestion by anyone that they are not.
    the democratic party leadership, which would be telling Obama to drop out if the situation was reversed, is cowed into silence, and when one superdelegate speaks out (Richardson) is he labeled a Judas.
    but a Judas requires a Savior, and Hillary ain't no Savior.
  • Ben Dover · 1 year ago
    So all that needs to be done now is to crucify Hillary and then wait the traditional three days for her campaign to be resurrected ?

    She's gonna go all Mel-Gibson-Passion on us, isn't she?
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    Well, I've been hearing a lot of weird things about that prayer group she belongs to.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    Someone commented, after the Lewinsky scandal and fallout, that the Clintons were like two remorseless characters in the Great Gatsby. Fitzgerald described Tom and Daisy as "careless people" and the comparison was and is apt. Tom and Daisy didn't seem to care who they hurt and neither do Bill and Hillary.
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    They were careless people, Bill and Hillary -- they smashed up things and then retreated into their money or their vast carelessness, or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    Thanks for coming up with the quote! It's much better than I remembered.
  • ccokz · 1 year ago
    careless people

    heck who cares for 9 trillion dollar debts. Care!
  • Zooey · 1 year ago
  • ccokz · 1 year ago
    Fucking loosers
  • ekwhite · 1 year ago
    It seems as if James Carville has jumped the shark. If he is acting as a representative of the Clinton campaign, he should be fired immediately. Comparing Bill Richardson to Judas during Holy Week no less is offensive to many Christians.
  • Ann_in_KC · 1 year ago
    Maybe we'll see an editorial cartoon on Sunday?
  • Patriot · 1 year ago
    There will be plenty more betrayals in the coming weeks if thats what they want to call it.
  • Apt604 · 1 year ago
    John, I wanted Obama to be President even before "the" speech in 2004. And yeah, the Judas analogy is overblown. But seeing how much Richardson owes career-wise to the Clintons, what he did still strikes me as an act of betrayal just the same. If he couldn't support Billary, given how low they've stooped in this one campaign, he should have just stayed out of the fray.
  • OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago
    Hey, favors work 2 ways, you know. How much did Richardson contribute to making the Clintons look good? I'd say a hell of a lot. And it seems former cabinet members, like Robert Reich, who leans toward Obama, probably know a lot they're not telling.
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    It's funny how a lot of people who really know the Clintons--but aren't looking at them for another payday--want nothing to do with them.
  • GrantinHouston · 1 year ago
    It's not only Richardson. Others like Robert Reich, Bill's Sec. of Labor, isn't supporting Hillary. Most surprising is near life-long friend, Greg Craig, who goes way back to Yale Law School with Bill and Hillary is now working for Obama. Craig was Hillary's lawyer when she was having her scandals in the White House (those darn "misplaced" Rose Law Firm records that suddenly appeared out of thin air in the middle of the White House closet after hiding for several years!) . Then Greg Craig was also hired as one of Bill's three impeachment attorneys. But if anyone knows all of the dirt on the Clintons, where the bodies are buried, it would be Greg Craig. He must have his reasons for bailing from them too.
  • John Aravosis · 1 year ago
    I suspect something else is going on. Joe mentioned to me today that this could very easily be the Clintons going ballistic on Richardson to tell everyone else out there, superdelegates included, that they'd better not support Obama.
  • the_political_junkie · 1 year ago
    Let them go "gangsta" on the superdelegates, and we'll see which ones tell the Clintons to go "Cheney" themselves, and which ones will cave.

    I'm betting on the Congressional Black Caucus, save for John Lewis and maybe Conyers and Barbara Lee, to cave in to the Clintons and walk away empty-handed as usual.

    Even Judas got paid for betraying Jesus - the CBC gives it away for nothing.
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    Richardson worked for Bill, not Hillary.

    He doesn't owe Hillary squat.
  • lauren1959 · 1 year ago
    Doesn't it speak to the potential that his "boss" and his wife may not have been the people he thought they were? Why should he sit back and watch them try to destroy the Democratic party simply because they feel they are entitled to have their dynasty continue?
  • naschkatzehussein · 1 year ago
    We could give many historical examples of people switching their allegiance out of conscience. I don't think we should presume to force Richardson to remain "loyal" to the Clintons at any cost. He did not betray them in any way and served Clinton's administration very capably. They benefited from having him work for them, and he doesn't owe them a thing.
  • BorninUSA · 1 year ago
    Don't agree. A lot of us have changed our minds about the Clintons, who we supported in the 90's. Now we see the mistake we made and don't we have the right to change our minds? Richardson has that right too.
  • shanobama · 1 year ago
    Richardson gave Obamas speeches on race/religion and Iraq/foreign policy enormous weight. Brilliant move by Bill R. seriously. He did what was best for the Democratic party.
  • OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago
    I'd almost bet Carville and Matalin have whips and chains in their bedroom.
  • tbhull · 1 year ago
    Where does Richardson fit in an Obama cabinet?
  • Rab · 1 year ago
    I could see Richardson as Secretary of State.
  • FNReedie · 1 year ago
    Agreed. I can not imagine him as VP under Obama. My bet is Wes Clark or someone like him -- Strong military who can appeal to the older white voters.
  • nicho · 1 year ago
    Actually, Wes Clark as VP makes a lot of sense. It would really neutralize the McCain attraction.

    As far as Richardson, he'd fit in almost anywhere in the cabinet. A real talented guy. SecState would be good.

    I get the feeling he went with Obama because he was treated so shabbily by Hillary's storm troopers. It's too bad. I think Hillary could have won it, but she surrounded herself with some pretty obnoxious people and got lots of really bad advice. Now, her followers are getting nasty and are turning people off right and left.
  • FNReedie · 1 year ago
    I agree that Hillary could have won it ... but instead she turned so negative and stopped battling on ideas. I gave up on her the moment I saw the "3AM"spot. It crossed the line for a primary ad and played right into the GOP. Up until then I was barely leaning Obama after weeks of being truly undecided. (I was for Edwards and when he dropped I was torn as to which way I'd go.)
  • BorninUSA · 1 year ago
    Didn't Wes Clark give his support to Hillary? Quite some time ago.
  • FNReedie · 1 year ago
    D'oh! I missed that one.
  • shanobama · 1 year ago
    James Webb from Virginia may be one of my top picks!

    Lets see if McCain signs his bill-GI bill for soldiers college benefit.
  • Rab · 1 year ago
    What a laugh, the hillbots are always talking about the hating and what has their side done since its become apparent that they won't win the nomination fairly.
  • ccokz · 1 year ago
    he should have just stayed out of the fray.

    so why cant he afford a shaver anymore? too old? too ambigous what hes sayin? no diggiddy no doubt. Richardsons endorsement appeared too convinced and thus Carville saw it as an exaggeration. Hillary didnt make many mistakes. ok if u r green u dont like failures. She put in her application years ago and now she treated second best by Richardson who didnt have health care onb his agenda but some second best welfare prog. Hes been loosy and he got 3 % at best. Obama doesnt have this much on his agenda also. Ok, racism. But Martin Luther King discovered racism 30 years ago. Better 40 years ago. Wheres the way to get down the deficit and stop the war? "Trust me, Ill end it. yeazh well my confidence has been utterly betrayed during the past 7 years of an US presidency and I dont take chances on the next one.
  • BLOGGING BITCH! · 1 year ago
    Vince Foster died for us?
  • Ann_in_KC · 1 year ago
    It probably felt like an act of betrayal, but comparing it to Judas, Jesus, and The Last Supper is a bit dramatic. Oh, the irony...
  • BLOGGING BITCH! · 1 year ago
    Next we'll find out that Chelsea has no earthly Father.
  • johnosahon · 1 year ago
    so true, so in anytime hilary's campaign will be crucified.
  • BLOGGING BITCH! · 1 year ago
    Wonder if she can bring Pat Tillman back! If she really wanted to perform a miracle, she could tell us how he died.
  • johnosahon · 1 year ago
    while billary sold america's future for power. i wish i could go back in time to the 90s and do all i can to get that bastard perv bill out of office.
  • kevinbgoode · 1 year ago
    I am already furious that the economy is so bad that the Cadbury eggs are smaller this holiday, forcing more and more American households to celebrate Easter with little more in their baskets but a collection of Peeps.

    Not a single candidate has addressed this issue, but I sense an oncoming demonstration against the Easter bunny.
  • Ann_in_KC · 1 year ago
    Maybe the better Bible story for her right now is that if she wants to continue, she'll need to rob Peter to pay Paul.
  • lynchie · 1 year ago
    Is there nothing these people won't say and do? Carville, belongs in a carnival running a bait and switch game on young kids. Pick out the ping pong ball with number 7 on it and win the big dog. Every couple of days another one of Bill's worn out old assholes pops up and shoots his mouth off. Carville, Penn, Macauliffe (sp) Peneta. Yeah, Hillary, you are all about change. Same tired old farts who would stop any attempt at Health Care, Pull out of Iraq, rebuild the country. All the things that weren't done during Bill;'s 8 years will go undone again except for kissing the rectal ring of Big Business.
  • GrantinHouston · 1 year ago
    Robert Reich, Bill's Sec. of Labor, now NOT supporting Hillary said this on his blog:

    http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2008/03/will-hr...

    The sad news is that whether the Clinton scorched-earth strategy ultimately succeeds or fails, it will have caused great harm. In the unlikely event it succeeds, the result will be a shame and not a little ironic. Barack Obama has breathed life into the Democratic Party, and into American politics, for the first time in forty years. Not since Robert Kennedy ran for president has America been so starkly summoned to its ideals; not since then has America -- including, especially, the nation’s youth -- been so inspired........Nothing happens in Washington unless Americans are energized and mobilized to make it happen. HRC's tactics are the old politics the nation is recoiling from -- internal division and national fear. This only serves to deepen Americans' cynicism about politics, and makes social change all the harder to achieve.
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    Fits right into that "Clinton Comeback" meme.

    "Like Jesus, Hillary shall rise again!"

    LOL.
  • AngelaChanning · 1 year ago
    I think living with Mary Matalin all these years has finally made Jim Carville flip his wig...if he had one, that is. :-) Thank you for listening.
  • Rustyzipper · 1 year ago
    "Judas sold out "? it was a fairytale. ;)
  • nicho · 1 year ago
    Get off the cross, Hillary, we need the wood!
  • Jessica54 · 1 year ago
    According to the campaign, Richardson's endorsement was too late in the game to even be significant. Hmm... Carville's bitter comment suggests otherwise.
  • Coming Undone · 1 year ago
    Wasn't there a war on Easter?? If Richardson is Judas, who is Jesus Bill or Hillary ?

    Also Hillary was off yesterday, she held no campaign events, I wonder if she took off Friday to look in the basement for her taxes, or maybe they are in the attic.
  • nicho · 1 year ago
    They are co-Jesuses.
  • clytemnestra · 1 year ago
    did anyone see Hillary today? Because if no one has seen her Friday and Saturday and then she emerges Sunday -- that will be taking the Hillary is Jesus allusion a bit too far IMHO
  • Rustyzipper · 1 year ago
    Obama is leading with both Hillary and Bill , and all others like Carville campaigning against him. That alone proves to me he has truly earned the democratic nomination. Only the flip side it also proves how many people really don't want another Clinton administration.
  • KatrinaSurvivor · 1 year ago
    Matt Drudge is featuring a breaking story:

    "According to a Franklin & Marshall College Poll: Among Obama supporters, 20 percent said they would vote for Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the Republican nominee, if Clinton beats their candidate for the nomination. Among Clinton supporters, 19 percent said they would support McCain in November if Obama is the Democratic nominee"

    This has me really worried. I'm an Obama supporter and thought we were on board with the themes of unity and reconciliation. Stuff like this makes us look bad if as the poll shows we are even more partisan than the Hillbots. Now I don't know whether or not to trust Drudge. He has been good to us with a lot of juicy scandalous stuff about Shillery, but this isn't the same. I've emailed Drudge and suggested that we need to hype up the revelations that Billary was in the White House when the Monica sex perversion took place. We need to get the media to focus more on that. Regardless, the Democratic Party needs to give Obama the nomination or else we will teach them a lesson by giving the Presidency to McCain. If the DNC refused Obama's positive message and theme of unity, then they can go to Hell with that monster Hillary and her philandering husband.
  • GrantinHouston · 1 year ago
    However, my very large Republican family is voting for Obama (some voted in our Texas open primary for him). They are tired of Bush wars and his many failures and see McCain as having become a Bush clone. However, IF Hillary is our party's nominee (and being Republican they despise all things Clinton) they say they will hold their noses and go back to the GOP.

    So that 20% may mostly be Independents and disgruntled Republicans who really don't have a dog in the Democrat's in-house fight.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    There aren't many Republicans here in the San Francisco North Bay, but the ones I know are voting Obama. Obama won in this congressional district and I think would take the whole state if the election were held today.
  • GaLiberal · 1 year ago
    So what. Let them hold their nose and vote for what worse candidate because they don't like the Clintons. Cutting your nose off to spite your face is what it's called. TX is a Republican given so it is of no use to either Clinton or Obama. Same with the rest of the ignorant, backward, inbred, racist, tooth-sucking, redneck south. I ought to know. Obama won all these states' primaries but he won't get the electoral college which is what really matters. Clinton can bring in the big hitters (CA, MA, OH) and the swing states. It will be an uphill battle because she has so much baggage with Billy and her image as a scheming underhanded bitch. But she's the one that has a chance of winning.
  • KatrinaSurvivor · 1 year ago
    Here's the link to the story that gay journalist Matt Drudge is featuring on his site: http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/P...

    Matt is the same journalist who was the first to expose Clinton's sexual tryst with a White House intern and along with another gay journalist, Andrew Sullivan, Drudge reported about a lot of the Clinton scandals throughout the 90's like Whitewater and the murder of Vince Foster.
  • Paul_In_SF · 1 year ago
    "I'm gonna go on a limb here and say that Jesus did not die on the cross for Hillary's superdelegates."

    No. He died for Bill's sins.
  • the_political_junkie · 1 year ago
    The Big Dog's off his meds, and his latent racism is showing. I wonder how those African-Americans loyal to him in his administration feel how the fact he feels African-Americans are less patriotic than him, his harridan of a wife, or John McCain?
  • KatrinaSurvivor · 1 year ago
    What few African-American supporters he still had, left him when the story broke about he and Hillary crafting the negative tv ad in which they make Obama's skin darker and photo-shopped his nose to appear more African. That was the last straw. I work with a lot of African-Americans and all the ones I know now despise both Clintons. They are seen as worse than traitors because they used open bigotry and hateful rhetoric without shame.
  • AngelaChanning · 1 year ago
    A couple of my African American friends were really rankled by the "Shame on you" tirade. To some, it really had some overtones that she was talking to Obama as if he were one of her servants.
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    I thought it was very condescending....she sounded like a mother scolding her child...sheesh
  • GrantinHouston · 1 year ago
    Racists like to call black men "BOY" and Hillary sounded like an old plantation wife who just caught a slave trying to take a pie cooling off on a window sill. Her "shame on you Barack Obama" was most demeaning. And now we find that in her daily schedule, she DID meet with 120 persons behind closed doors to promote NAFTA, the very thing she "shamed" Obama for implying.

    Then she followed up next sarcastically making fun of the "opening heavens, angels singing" making fun of Obama's message of HOPE, which is what Martin Luther King gave to black America in his many speeches.

    The Clintons are smart enough to know what their coded language says to the racists in our nation.
  • KatrinaSurvivor · 1 year ago
    Angela, your email hit my bulk spam filter, sorry. I wanted to prevent the Hillbots from flooding my email with personal attacks. I tried to email you but didn't get a response. Is that your current email addy? Thanks.

    BTW, I really like the new comment system. Before there was always a lot of spam postings and vicious stuff from Shillary supporters. This forum is much more civilized and the tone seems a lot more friendly.
  • AngelaChanning · 1 year ago
    I am sorry, I just turned off all the email options in my profile. I am not sure how that other post got up there. I emailed John to ask him to take it off.

    I too, like the new comment system but I am confused sometimes....I sometimes see oldest comments first then newest comments first. But I will figure it out.
  • Rustyzipper · 1 year ago
    I really can't get to upset over all the Clinton tactic... Obama IS going to win, and after the Convention, (when real people start focusing) on the election, he will take off and leave McSame in the dust. In the mean time Billary is just digging a hole... and the why she (they) are going there will be no respect for them at all.
  • hughman · 1 year ago
    uh, who here is a "christian" that really cares about the jesus mention? i thought that was a "republican" fascination?
  • Rustyzipper · 1 year ago
    This notion that Hillary has ever had any chance of winning in November against McCain or anyone else is absolute garbage. She never had any chance to begin with, but her scorched earth campaign for the nomination, should it prove successful, has not only ensured her own defeat, but it would result in sweeping defeats for Democrats all the way down the ballot after she has so thoroughly alienated not only the most reliable segment of the traditional party base, but the new expanded party base of young idealists who have been energized by Obama.
  • KatrinaSurvivor · 1 year ago
    I agree. That is the point Senator Obama was making when he pointed out that he doubted whether his own supporters could support Hillary should she 'win' the nomination. On the other hand, Obama is confident that once Hillary drips out, her supporters will join his campaign. Basically, Hillary has far too many negatives to win any election. Just like her husband Bill, she creates a lot of enemies and divisiveness wherever she goes. Even though I am a Democrat, I would NEVER vote for her.
  • GaLiberal · 1 year ago
    Hillary Clinton has a much better chance of taking the electoral college than Obama and that's what matters. Democrats put a Kerry who had no chance of winning the electoral college and lost to a man with a 34% approval rating. It doesn't matter about the popular vote, it's the electoral college that matters.
  • lynchie · 1 year ago
    So Hillary claimed this past week that she faced sniper fire when she, Chelsea, Sinbad went to Bosnia. Well as it turns out the only sniper was a 6 year old girl with flowers.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/how-will...

    Watch the video. When asked for comment her spokesperson embellished the story and claimed the video was erroneous. I posted earlier that not a single politician tells the truth anymore. The just lie, spin, lie spin and in a couple of days hope it goes away. Bush, Cheney, Miers, Gonzalex, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice, Ashcroft, hell i fortget all the names haven't told the truth in 8 years so why should Hillary start now. Sniper fire, ran to the airport building. What a complete and utter phoney.
  • Rustyzipper · 1 year ago
    I just wish the MSM would follow up on this,,, but there all Chicken shits, and care about ratings.
  • sbhdawn · 1 year ago
    why can't they show that video on CNN and FOX?? Too bad it couldn't get sent to those phony news networks!!
  • rainlillie · 1 year ago
    "I'm gonna go on a limb here and say that Jesus did not die on the cross for Hillary's superdelegates."


    ROTFLMAO!!
  • sbhdawn · 1 year ago
    You have much wisdom!!
  • Sage24 · 1 year ago
    It sounds like the Clinton camp are a bunch of whiners and sore losers.
    They tried desperately to get Richardson's endorsement, until a few days ago,
    and now that Richardson has endorsed Obama, they are frothing mad.
    Richardson worked for the Clinton administration, and the fact that he endorsed
    Obama instead of Queen Hillary, says a lot.
  • GaLiberal · 1 year ago
    The fact that Richardson endorsed Obama says nothing about Clinton. Maybe Obama said he would get an a position in an Obama administration. Maybe Richardson is just trying a back door method to broker an agreement for Obama to forgo a floor fight and let Hillary be the candidate. Maybe a lot of things. As has oft been said, politics makes for strange bedfellows. Unless you were in the room, you don't know and probably never will know.
  • sbhdawn · 1 year ago
    don't kid yourself, it says a lot about the Clintons! BEsides they have proven themselves lately, and anyone with half a brain could see them for the kind of people they are. They appeal to people of low-intelligence, the ones that can't see below the surface or think for themselves, and these are the ones the Clinton's are counting on to fool with their schemes and lies. Sounds like you could be one of THEM!
  • GaLiberal · 1 year ago
    First off, if you bother to read my earlier post you'll find I voted for Obama in the primary. I don't like Hillary either, but at least she's not John
    'Bush Lite' McCain. Your hatred of the Clintons blinds you to reality. The electoral college is what you have to win; not the popular vote. Hillary is the only one with the contacts and backing to have a chance of beating McCain. So don't vote. Or better yet go vote for McCain. Have four more years of the Iraq war and the dollar tanking and Republican conservative rule. Whoever is the Democratic nominee, I'll vote for them. But Hillary is the only one that can win.
  • Demo_Dave · 1 year ago
    You won't be popular on here you are to far reasonable.
  • GaLiberal · 1 year ago
    Unfortunately that's the problem with the Democratic party - far too tied to ideology and not pratical. If it keeps up, the Republicans will walk all over us for the foreseeable future. Not a way I want to live.
  • Mikki --SE Pennsylvania · 1 year ago
    GaLiberal, Sun 7:14pm, Hil may or may not be "Bush Lite," as you suggest but she is very definitely DINO.
  • GaLiberal · 1 year ago
    Please read first. I never said Clinton was 'Bush Lite.' I said that about McCain. If you want four more years of Bush's failed war and economic policies, keep insisting Obama be the Democratic nominee.
  • sbhdawn · 1 year ago
    yes, I agree McCain would be terrible for America, but now that I see how
    Hillary lies and panders, and is just out for personal gain and power, I
    COULD NEVER NEVER vote for anyone so deceitful. I don't think she would be
    any better than McCain, because she lies to get her way. We could never
    believe anything she would say as President. I would hate for McCain to win,
    but I can not under any circumstance vote for a lier a deceiver and a power
    grabber and selfish person that will do anything to win, no I will never
    vote for her.
    If that is not bad enough, she has that trouble-making Bill breathing down
    her neck, and now I know his true character. I use to be a supporter of them
    both, and in the beginning I was not sure who I would vote for, since I
    liked them both so much. Then when I saw her get hateful to gain power and
    she proved that she is not a fair player, trying anything to win, I knew
    then I could never vote for her. I will not vote!
  • GaLiberal · 1 year ago
    If you don't vote that just as good as voting for McCain and more of Bush's failed policies that have resulted in 4000 soldiers dead and the economy slipping into a major recession. If you don't vote, you will have validated all the Republican bull they've spread about Clinton. If you don't vote, you will throwing in with the backward neocons that want to undo 60+ years of progressive government that has lead to this very comfortable lifestyle we all enjoy. I'll vote Democrat no matter the candidate even if it's Hillary. The alternative is unacceptable.
  • sbhdawn · 1 year ago
    I understand very well about your thoughts, but if Hillary is a proven lier
    and deceiver, and trouble maker, and has proven she wants the presidency for
    her own self-serving ambitions, how do I or you know if she will really be
    better than McCain?? She might even be worse! After I saw her sincerely
    telling a big lie about Bosnia, and come on you know she just made it up; it
    makes me wonder what else she has just made up, and with Bill telling lies
    too, God only knows what kind of presidency it might end up being. I have
    learned not to take anything for granted; especially after a person has
    shown their true character as she has done now.
    She is a deceiver because she is trying to win and win dirty, not on her
    merits, but on tricks. I don't want another trickster in the White House
    again. As bad as McCain's policies are, maybe hers might end up being worse!
    I just might be right! She just might be very wrong for America, and maybe
    even worse than McCain. I just can't vote for her.
  • GaLiberal · 1 year ago
    All this bashing and backstabbing from the Clinton campaign is just more proof that she's a bitch and will do anything to get elected. That should be good for Obama, but not really. This cat fight between Clinton and Obama has turned people off and given McCain a real head start in the campaign. Clearly, only Clinton has a chance to carry the electoral college and that's what really matters. Obama won deep South states (I voted for him), but not even Lyndon Johnson could carry the South today. Those are solid Republican states particularly of Obama runs (Racism is not dead in rural GA. They still have segregated proms and then amazingly claim it's 'voluntary.'). We need a candidate that will carry CA and MA and the swing states too. They need to stop the mudslinging and get on with the issues. Instead, Obama calls everything that Clinton says "racist" and Clinton calls everything Obama says a lie. This is playing into the hands of McCain and the Republicans. Clinton may well be their best campaign strategist practically giving McCain a playbook to defeat Obama. If that's her game, it will only be to the detriment of Democrats.

    Her husband may have been a popular president, but he's directly responsible for putting Bush and the Republicans in the White House for eight years. He's responsible for thousands of Iraqi's dying and 4,000 American soldiers KIA. He's responsible for the economic meltdown. Having a Clinton in the White House wasn't good for Democrats in the least. I'm very concerned that's what a lot of people will think when casting their vote come November. Compared to Hillary's outbursts of desperation, McCain looks calm and collected. Presidential if you will. Unless things change quickly, we will have four years of Bush light.
  • lutton · 1 year ago
    >>Who else will betray Hillary before the cock crows thrice????

    Yeah, I concur. You'd think they'd want to avoid a reference to cocks...
  • Chris From Maine · 1 year ago
    John McCain served with Jesus, he knew Jesus; Jesus was a friend of his. Senator, you're no Jesus.
  • rainlillie · 1 year ago
    LMAO!
  • Demo_Dave · 1 year ago
    It's odd that anyone on here that doesn't support Obama gets negative ratings. I thought Obama supporters were uniting the world ...Funny I'm not feeling the love.
  • clytemnestra · 1 year ago
    oh, is that what that button does
  • renee · 1 year ago
    Pretty stunning. Let me see if I'm getting this...endoring someone *other* than Clinton is in some way equivalent to handing her over to be subjected to a brutal and humiliating execution.

    Wow.
  • Demo_Dave · 1 year ago
    Whats funny is I never endorsed Clinton..I just questioned Obama. I beginning to think to his supporters he is Christ incarnate.Can anyone on here tell me anything Obama has done wrong?
  • shanobama · 1 year ago
    I think the framing of Obama was done by the other side in many respects because I have never thought he was the messiah. The media started in too, because of the large crowds and venues, people fainting from long hours and heat most likely. Instead this was passed off as infatuation, when it was heat stroke.


    Read his book "The Audacity of Hope", the chapter on the Constitution is a gem. He describes both sides and other positions well. pragmatic, but a good teacher.

    Richardson is brilliant, even if he had to disappoint one of his old friends. I loved this timing. Richardson must have seen his speech on Iraq and foreign policy he gave in Fayetteville the day after his race and religion speech. The foreign policy speech was better.
  • shanobama · 1 year ago
    And the foreign policy speech was completely ignored by the media.

    feh
  • cambridge1246 · 1 year ago
    I can see Carville being mad especially when the full article states that Richardson told Bill Clinton he would not be endorsing Obama at the same time he was telling Obama he was 99% for him. It sounds to me as if Richardson wasn't being too honest here.
  • cambridge1246 · 1 year ago
    I forgot to mention - does this screw up the demand for superdelegates to vote as their state did since New Mexico went for Hillary? How can Richardson therefore endorse Obama when Clinton got more delegates there? How can Kennedy and Kerry endorse Obama when Mass. went for Hillary? So can we stop demaning that superdelegates vote the way their state did now?
  • Ann_in_KC · 1 year ago
    The Clintons won NM with .5%, sounds like it was a toss-up to me for Richardson. He could follow his conscience, or at least his heart and mind, not to mention that Obama has won already.
  • sbhdawn · 1 year ago
    the bottom line is, that the racist people out there are just looking for any excuse to keep Barack from being nominated, as they do not want a black President!! They are looking for any excuse to put him down, but it's about race.
    Barack never brought up the subject, Clinton did, and I think he baited Barack, knowing it would just get him into trouble if he dared to explain to the white people.
    Actually that Pastor Wright was exactly right about rich white people, and the terrible things this country has done, maybe God is unhappy with this country. The way these rich white people are trying to ruin Barack, I am sure God is not pleased! Barack has proven to have a good heart and has tried his best to run a positive campaign, and if he even tries to answer a smear, then he is charged of being negative!!
    The shallow minded people of this world, do not understand, because they are so worldly minded and shallow thinkers, people of low intelligence!
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    I'm not convinced that Hillary is willing to die for my sins.
  • rainlillie · 1 year ago
    Wouldn't it be nice if the Clinton's showed a little class and a lot of commonsense.
  • Demo_Dave · 1 year ago
    It would be nice if Obama could win a state that would count in November.
  • rainlillie · 1 year ago
    It would be even nicer if Hilary would put country and party before her own ambitions.
  • Demo_Dave · 1 year ago
    Ok then Obama has a chance to win a big important state like Pennsylvania lets see how he does.. So far he hasn't really been winning important states that Democrats need to win. I don't care how much you want either candidate to win if he can't beat the Republicans in November in important states like Ohio and Michigan . If you don't think so John McCain WILL be your next President.
  • rainlillie · 1 year ago
    And the difference between Hilary and McCain is? She voted to label the Iranian Guard a terrorists organization and she voted for the war. She can't be trusted anymore than McCain. Just because she's a Democrat doesn't mean she behaves like one. Really.. what's the difference between her and Zell Miller or Joe Lieberman?
  • JohninCalifornia · 1 year ago
    "I'm gonna go on a limb here and say that Jesus did not die on the cross for Hillary's superdelegates."

    John, John, John -- don't you know? My partner says to remind you that Jesus died for everyone's sins!

    ;)

    John
  • Swami_Binkinanda · 1 year ago
    But Hillary didn't MARRY Judas, or have the children of the devil. Mary Matalin works for Dick Cheney, which is like being married to Eichmann but advising the Allies.
  • Measured_Response · 1 year ago
    off topic

    John,

    I like the new comment system but some may find the extra amount of cookies sent (sometimes up to 45 cookies to post ) can take up to 100% of CPU resources, in turn making the computer lag. I wonder if this is what may be causing the large decline in posts?