DISQUS

AMERICAblog: Hillary dramatically rewrites US nuclear weapons policy, then her staff says "never mind"

  • vegasbaby · 1 year ago
    Tuesday's Election Will be 'Unrecountable, Unverifiable, and Unauditable'...
    On Tuesday night, you will be told who the winner of the Pennsylvania Primary is. You will accept it. You will have no choice. No matter who the winner really is. Or isn't.

    This Tuesday's crucial contest will be primarily run on 100% faith-based, Direct Recording Electronic (DRE, usually touch-screen or push-button) e-voting machines across the state. There will be no way to determine after the election whether the computers have accurately recorded, or not, the intent of those voters who voted on them. As VerifiedVoting.org summarizes the crucial contest, it "will be essentially unrecountable, unverifiable, and unauditable."

    Most of the votes, more than 85%, will be cast on such DRE systems which do not provide so-called "Voter Verified Paper Audit Trails" (VVPATs), as their use has been found unconstitutional in the state, since its been determined, accurately, that ballot secrecy cannot be guaranteed when using such paper trail systems. Not that it matters.

    With or without a so-called "paper trail" printer, all touch-screen/push-button/DRE voting machines are equally unverifiable and antithetical to American democracy. Period.

    So, as with South Carolina's primary, so so long ago, and other states since, whatever the officials tell you at the end of the election is what you, and we, will have to accept. Whether votes are counted accurately is completely out of anyone's hands at this point. It's strictly Democracy of the Gods...

    from Bradblog.com
  • dad · 1 year ago
    If you gained access to a pale.
    If you were then to fill the pale with water.
    If you then poured that water on my friends head.
    I would use my pale full of water and pour it on your head.

    But then again you have no pale or water.
    But if you did have a pale.
    And you could get some water.
    And if you decided to use it to dampen a friend.
    Then I would splash you good.

    No I wouldn't.
  • tofubo · 1 year ago
  • jescot · 1 year ago
    If she continues her run she is going to receive alot of blowback from her comments on Israel on Countdown last night. She doesn't "buy the theory" that Iranians would Martyr themselves .....BIG OOOPS.



    OLBERMANN: You mentioned the oil suppliers and obviously leads us into something else that really flew by during the debate that seemed awfully important. In that debate you were asked about a hypothetical Iranian attack on Israel and your hypothetical response as commander in chief and you said, let me read the quote exactly, "I think that we should be looking to create an umbrella of deterrence that goes much further than Israel. Of course I would make it clear to the Iranians that an attack on Israel would include massive retaliation from the United States but I would do the same with other countries in the region."

    Can you clarify since there was no follow-up to that which hypothetical Middle East conflicts would incur massive retaliation by this country and what constitutes massive retaliation?

    CLINTON: Well, what we were talking about was the potential for a nuclear attack by Iran. If Iran does achieve what appears to be its continuing goal of obtaining nuclear weapons and I think deterrence has not been effectively used in recent times. We used it very well during the Cold War when we had a bipolar world and what I think the president should do and what our policy should be is to make it very clear to the Iranians that they would be risking massive retaliation were they to launch a nuclear attack on Israel.

    In addition, if Iran were to become a nuclear power it could set off an arms race that would be incredibly dangerous and destabilizing because the countries in the region are not going to want Iran to be the only nuclear power so I could imagine that they would be rushing to obtain nuclear weapons themselves. In order to forestall that, creating some kind of a security agreement where we said, no, you do not need to acquire nuclear weapons if you were the subject of an unprovoked nuclear attack by Iran, the United States and hopefully our NATO allies would respond to that as well.

    It is a theory that some people have been looking at because there is a fear that if Iran, which I hope we can prevent, becoming a nuclear power, but if they were to become one some people worry that they are not deterrable, that they somehow have a different mindset and a worldview that might very well lead the leadership to be willing to become martyrs. I don't buy that but I think we have to test it and one of the ways of testing it is to make it very clear that we are not going to permit them if we can prevent it from them becoming a nuclear power but were they to become some their use of nuclear weapons against Israel would provoke a nuclear response from the United States which personally I believe would prevent it from happening and that we would try to help the other countries that might be intimidated and bulled into submission by Iran because they were a nuclear power, avoid that state by creating this new security umbrella.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    A 2.8 Mb historical image to dramatise HRC's isolation on this one...
    http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/a17HHS1464906dm...
  • ChicagoKid · 1 year ago
    The same trick that the rethuglican party used to prevent blacks from voting in Ohio in 2004, is being used by the people who allot the machines in areas that are massive Obama areas. Hmm.

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/du...

    Are Diebold machines being used in PA?
  • Belinda · 1 year ago
    Hillary has reached a new low. With our troops in danger overseas, this is especially despicable of her to play political games with our foreign policy. If she somehow manages to steal the Democratic nomination, I would rather give the Presidency to McCain than support such a corrupt witch. The DNC needs to learn their lesson.
  • OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago
    Not surprising, really. How many other subjects has she backtracked on?

    Meanwhile, Bush, Calderon & Harper giving a news conference; Bush trying to prop up NAFTA, the Colombia trade agreement, etc. and giving $550 million to Mexico for the "war on drugs" (most of which will probably go into the pockets of corrupt Mexican officials).

    Waiting for them to drop the bomb on the North American Union any time...
  • Left of the Hill · 1 year ago
    While Hillary is threatening to nuke Iran, I think it's worth recalling that Bill Clinton's administration apparently had something to do with purposely leaking blueprints to nuclear weapons to Iranian physicists.

    http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/1/7...

    Part of Clinton's argument as to why she should be elected is that she apparently gained so much experience while being First Lady. Well, if she wants to have credit for the good things her husband did then she also has to deal with the bad. Seems to me like she might have some more explaining to do on this issue.
  • Belinda · 1 year ago
    Bryan: "Well, if she wants to have credit for the good things her husband did then she also has to deal with the bad."

    No doubt. I think we are only now finding out the extreme preferential treatment that old Slick Willie got from the press during the 90's. When he pushed through the anti-gay DOMA and DADT policies, the press was virtually silent. Similary when he got involved in funneling campaign money through the Chinese and Charlie Tree, he got away with another scandal. If you include the Iranian blueprint exchange and Clintons under the table dealings with criminal elements in the Palestinian organizations, it ads up to some pretty despicable dealings. If Obama gets a chance to clean up the outrageous amount of corruption in DC, maybe the Clintons will finally be investigated to the full extent of the law.
  • HereinDC · 1 year ago
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    The one time she finally shows up on COUNTDOWN with Keith Olbermann she F**KsUP!
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  • grandma · 1 year ago
    Hillary Clinton hammered Barack Obama for his "bitter" remarks as "elitist" and "out of touch" with small-town voters. She even played John Mellencamp's "Small Town" at an event in Indiana earlier this month.

    But the singer himself is performing for ... Obama. Mellencamp is on the billing for an Obama appearance on Tuesday night in Evansville, Indiana, at Roberts Municipal Stadium, where the campaign hopes to be celebrating a better-than-expected performance in the Pennsylvania primary

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...
  • dad · 1 year ago
    Dad? WTH? Is it after noon already?

    :)
    Granted Busboy. It was stupid.
    Request an allowance.
  • OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago
    Bush referring to the US, Mexico and Canada as the "neighborhood" as if it languishes in a suburban area. And he also made the comment about the Texas/Mexico border "prospering" when everyone knows that drug violence has increased apace in that area; the situation in northern Mexico being described on NPR the other day as a "cesspool."

    How can NAFTA and CAFTA be called successes when those policies have resulted in millions of Mexicans and Central Americans fleeing their own homelands to come illegally into the US for work? One report said that 10% of Mexican nationals have crossed the border into the US because there are no jobs in Mexico. The kind of corporate industrial activity (including farming) that NAFTA and CAFTA encourages does nothing but kill entrepeneurship and small farming in Mexico.

    Meanwhile, oil topped $120/bbl, now down to $119.67/bbl, gold rising, and the dollar falling.
  • Catsandbeer.com · 1 year ago
    She doesn't rewrite it if she doesn't become president
  • bunnyjump · 1 year ago
    WTF? What's next-asking MCCain to consider her for vice president?
  • jr · 1 year ago
    video killed the Thatcherite star
  • amyfw · 1 year ago
    She really has no idea what she is talking about. We have firm security guarantees, i.e. "extend the nuclear umbrella" to a limited number of countries (NATO allies, Japan, South Korea), and Israel is not one of them. If I remember correctly from the last time I wrote about this subject, Israel does not want to sit under the U.S. nuclear umbrella, and it has its own nuclear deterrent (it doesn't really trust us to act on its behalf). Also, when we extend nuclear deterrence, its not just to protect against nuclear attack, its to protect against all attacks (we could have nuked the Soviets, even if they came across the Fulda gap with tanks and conventional weapons). So, if she's offering to extend nuclear deterrence to other countries in the Middle East, it would be a vast expansion of our nuclear doctrine, far beyond anything that our policy has contemplated in any recent memory. We'd maintain theoption of using nukes if Yemen attacked Saudi Arabia??? Finally, extending nuclear deterrence does not mean we would retaliate with nukes, just that we would not forclose the option, we would maintain the ambiguity.

    Security assurances and security guarantees are a really arcane subject. There aren't that many people who really understand this in depth (and many who speak about it alot do not really understand it.) She's less than an inch deep on this, and got it really wrong.
  • Mikki --SE Pennsylvania · 1 year ago
    Poor Hil... she was probably just "overtired' and "misspoke." Then again, maybe it was her trusted "advisor" Howard Wolfson who was overtired and misspoke. Is Howard trying to tell us that his candidate doesn't know what she's talking about? Now there's a real possibility to ponder. It kind of puts one in mind of Dana Perino nervously claiming that Dubya meant something other than what he said.
    The one thing that seems to be clearly in need of being nuked is the DNC for being the source for all this mess in the first place.
  • tbhull · 1 year ago
    Will Wolfson be there at 3:30 am in the morning to undo the button Hillary already pushed?
  • Smarmy · 1 year ago
    There is an intrinsic dishonesty about this woman who, because of her husband, has inflicted herself into the American psyche. She has done nothing on her own, but would have you believe every decsion made by the Clinton presidency was hers! I remain sorry for having voted twice for Bill. Because of Bill, we, the American people, got Hillary. I can't wait for the day she just goes away.
  • Belinda · 1 year ago
    I've always regretted voting for Bill Clinton the first time in '92. As far as I'm concerned he turned out to be a fraud. By engaging in illicit sex with interns inside the White House, he really disrespected the institution (not even considering his felony perjury after that). In hindsight, people see that his years in office were filled by endless scandals and corruptions. I believe his years with Hillary resulted in the most indictments of any previous Presidency. They value pure power over anything else and unfortunately seem to be passing that trait on to Chelsea.
  • shell · 1 year ago
    Before this, I just thought Hillary was mildly crazed -- wanting to WIN at any cost. (After all, she was determined to be the 1st female U.S. president since she was a child.) But this is true madness. Mental illness, whatever you want to call it. She is dangerous. And those imbeciles who still support her -- even going to Colorado -- are just as crazed.

    I am a female. As much as anyone else, I would like to see a female as president. But not a mentally-ill one.
  • Belinda · 1 year ago
    shell: "She is dangerous. And those imbeciles who still support her -- even going to Colorado -- are just as crazed."

    Anyone who's still supporting HIllary at this point has a major problem. They are either a Republican at heart or have latent racist tendencies. There is no other explanation since Hillary's support has dwindled so significantly and with what remains, she has absolutely no statistical chance to win. So anyone supporting her is by definition really supporting McCain.
  • rpl · 1 year ago
    Thankfully, the junior senator from New York does not control US foreign policy and does not have control over any nuclear weaponry. She just has her fantasies.
  • allpeopleunite · 1 year ago
    So then the question begs to be asked, would M. Obama not use nuclear weapons to defend Israel?
  • amyfw · 1 year ago
    If Obama says he would, then he would demonstrate that he does not understand either our nuclear policy or Israel's nuclear policy. We have not offered, and Israel does not want a nuclear security guarantee to Israel. They are not under the umbrella, no matter what a candidate says. At the same time, it is accurate to say that we would not take any options for a response to an Iranian attack off the table, because we don't, as a matter of declaratory policy, take options off the table. But not saying we won't do it is not the same thing as saying we will. As I said before, this is an arcane, and somewhat complicated subject, not well presented in sound bites....
  • heraldsquare · 1 year ago
    How long until we hear the Russian response to Hillary's nuke-madness? When will Putin declare that if Iran is attacked with nuclear weapons, Russia will defend them with nuclear weapons? Eh, voila - cold war...and we are all hostages to Iran.
  • Your_Uncle_Bastard · 1 year ago
    Thrice denied, Hillary? Gee, where have we heard THAT before? /snark
  • Timespanr · 10 months ago
    The Retoric pushed by Hillary two(2) votes for sure, possibly many more, only her future will tell the real tail. But, in comment on the statement, I realize the G.W. Bush was surely no Geography Major, or a major in anything beyond Terrorism. On the subject of Terrorism, he was and is a master Teerorist of the World. AS relates to Iran, how would Hillary, or you, or anyone else for than matter conclude that Iran would exceed its boards to attack anyone without being provked?
    History surely does not support your position(s), and the retoric of Adminjhad is but retoric, a subject that he is an expert at. It is his whole and sole purpose in life to issue out landish states to see what you might do. Then he goes home and laughs his ass off at both your initial responce and follow-on actions. Get Serious here, the Ayatolla is in charge of Iran and the Israelie comments on the on-line internet donot suject that Israel wantsto understands its relatives, the Arabs, or the it even care to study them and learn something that may save the loss of lives in both countries. It appears to me, that with a War monger in the US Presidence, supporting a Terrorisdt country like Israel, can lead to no good end to the World community.
    It would be much better route, in my opinion, to approach the would on a level field and not kill anyone or everyone because they willnot listen to you or agree with you on the subject at hand.
    The other aspect of this discussion is the prtesence of Nuclear Weapons in Israel. Marachai Vanunu, an Israelie Nuclear work, decided to come clean of the Israel Nuclear Weapons Program to the BBC stating that they had over 200 weapons then. This weas October 1986.
    lets escalate this 200 weapons forward to 2006 another 20 year period to the total number of 400 by ussing a simple forward escalation. Now, lets play get smart, and re-escalate these figures over taking into 30 year service losses, and adding back in the improvement in Techology, Manufacturing and Nuclear Materials provide to Israel by France, England, South africa (including seven(7) assembled Atomic weapons). All of these factors, couple by a Parnoid Israel leadership suggest the the number 400 was unrealist, in the real world. A much more ration set of number would in the range of 550-650 Plus + Israelie Held Nuclear Weapons in 2009. Read the Internet topic "Israelie Nuclear Weapons" for about a half day two open your eyes, and for a full for the "Truth" by reading between the line.
    Tell me please, how is Israel not a Paroid State when even suggest that other state in the "Free World" outside of the US Dictator Ship won't listen to then and say bad thing about tem in Public? What a Laugh! Inclose, I would like to invite you to review the sounding defeat give to President G.W. Bush grab to Kill Saddam Hussan and steal their Oil. To add to the contempt displayed, the Iraqi Government awarded a 3.4 Billion Dollar Oil services contract to the PRC China and a TV Press guy threw his shoes at Bushes face during an interview. What a looser. I would that if Saddam Hussan were alive to day, he would take Presidence of the country of Iraq, that is how much hate Bush brought to the people killing Women and Children.
    Tiomespanr@Yahoo.com
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    Dad? WTH? Is it after noon already?
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    Mirth, until we have election machine hackers actually hack some machines on national tv, nothing will probably be done.
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    In black areas of NYC, Obama didn't get any votes. Why should it be different in Philly?

    The virtriol emanating from the Hillary camp has relegated her new foreign policy pronouncements regarding the formation of a nuclear umbrella over certain countries in the mideast to a footnote in today's news cycle.
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    Changing of the guard has always brought about violence and hysteria; especially fomented by those being replaced. This is the Clinton's next to last stand, and may be their last. If they carry it to the convention it will really get down and dirty.
  • mirth · 1 year ago
    " A bill that would have helped states pay to switch to paper-election balloting systems and for random audits after elections died out of a House committee this week, but its prime sponsor said he is not giving up the fight.

    U.S. Rep. Rush Holt (D-N.J.) said the bill he sponsored, House Bill 5036, the Emergency Assistance for Secure Elections Act, would help make the nation's elections more accurate and secure by helping states move to paper ballots over touch-screen electronic machines."

    http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?...