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AMERICAblog: Hillary is now risking our House majority. Let's call some SuperDelegates and see if they agree.

  • tommccaslin · 1 year ago
    Matthew Drudge has some good follow-ups on this at his site. Billary is really bordering on the illegal now. Today's big story is that she made a special exception to get Elton John inside the country. He is a foreign national with a questionable moral history and anyone else with his record would not have been allowed in. Plus just like Slick Willie's Chinese slush fund, you aren't supposed to use foreign money in the election.

    By next week I really expect indictments or at least some kind of federal injunction against the Shillary campain. The witch has crossed the line and shouldn't be getting special treatment. The Democratic Party is truly being ripped apart. Everyone I know who supports Barack totally despises the Hillbots and vice-versa. When are the Clintonistas going to finally throw the towel in?
  • ASWC · 1 year ago
    Do you guys know why ABC News' political page lists Obama's popular vote lead at about 100,000? Isn't it about 700,000 votes?

    http://abcnews.go.com/politics

    I'm no conspiracy theorist, just curious. Thoughts?
  • naschkatzehussein · 1 year ago
    Yes, you are right. I tried to e-mail ABC about this but was not successful. I also read an opinion by Christy Hardin Smith of FDL today describing the contest as having a "razor thin edge". And have you watched any CNN lately? Some people just will not admit that it's over for Clinton. It's all Clinton spin and propaganda, but it's heartening that almost every day now someone comes out with some fact or argument to prove them wrong.
  • onceVM · 1 year ago
    tommccaslin

    It will be hard for the FEC to do anything about Hillary when McCain had a fundraiser in England from Lord Rothchild..
    But then again..It's hard for the FEC to do anything without a quorum..
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    " By getting her rich super-donors to threaten to stop funding the DCCC, Hillary is threatening to severely damage our efforts to hold the House in the fall."
    Yes, but I'm still confused. How is Hillary getting them to stop funding? She owns them? They think she's going into the Oval Office as their pet goat? They are part of a vast conspiracy ofthe cryptic NeoLib Coporatist Party? I sitll don't get it. What's the powerful connection? Does she have nasty pictures of them doing things Governor Spitzer wouldn't do?
  • tommccaslin · 1 year ago
    "How is Hillary getting them to stop funding? She owns them?"

    In a way yes. Remember her campaign is filled with lobbyists who funnel in millions of dollars in order to buy corrupt access. Shillary is literally selling leverage to direct the White House the same way Slick Willy sold access to power and sex. The Clintonistas and their sychophant followers have screwed up the whole election process because they've infused it with complete deceit and back-room deals.
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    I hate to thank that's true but I'm afraid you're right.

    -Indigo
  • nikto · 1 year ago
    Hillary Clinton is a frikkin' REPUGNICAN!!

    The GOP must be lovin' this.


    THE CLINTON REPUTATION & LEGACY, NOW=FECES
  • Webster · 1 year ago
    The American death toll in Iraq is now 4003.
  • Stevious · 1 year ago
    She's toast, even if she were the nominee, she has no coattails. She won't help any of the dems in down-ballot contests. And in places like Texas, where we actually have a shot at booting assholes like Cornyn, having her on the top of the ticket would dash that hope entirely. She needs to drop out now.
  • AdrianBrowne · 1 year ago
    Isn't there a 50/50 chance , or greater, that this would hurt Hillary more than help her? It seems to be an admission of desperation on top of all the other negatives.
  • Demo_Dave · 1 year ago
    I think Gore keeps looking better and better
  • tommccaslin · 1 year ago
    "I think Gore keeps looking better and better"

    That's what the snake is hoping for. I've never trusted that weasel and I guarantee he is waiting in the wings hoping to be some "white knight". Don't forget Gore was part and parcel of the Clinton corruption and scandals of the 90's. He is hoping Obama has lost credibility so that he can come to the rescue. Gore is just as sleazy as the Clintons and I'm watching to see him increase his media appearances so as to boost his egotistical agenda. The guy is bad news.
  • Stevious · 1 year ago
    This one paragraph from Open Left sums it up quite nicely:

    http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=4798

    According to the best available count, Obama currently leads among pledged delegates 1,415.5 to 1,253.5, a margin of 162 with 18 delegates currently for Edwards and 566 left to be determined. In terms of percentages, this translates to Obama 52.7%--46.7% Clinton, with 82.6% reporting. In any other campaign, if a candidate led by 6% with 83% reporting, all major news outlets would project that candidate as the winner.

    We should begin referring to Obama as the presumptive Democratic nominee.
  • kl8n · 1 year ago
    For real. Hell, Bush didn't even need to be winning at all to be declared a winner by the press.
  • Hennry2008 · 1 year ago
    Has OBama reach 2025? NO he has not. He is still a candidate not the presumtive Democratic nominee.
  • Demo_Dave · 1 year ago
    They cry on here about the rules. But the rules allow the delegates to vote for the candidate they feel has the best chance of winning in November. The Wright story is not going away and moderate Democrats are moving away from Obama and will vote for McCain.
  • Stevious · 1 year ago
    How long was McCain the presumptive Republican nominee before he won the requisite number of delegates? The math is not in Hillary's favor, the only way she wins it is by buying it or stealing it.
  • Hennry2008 · 1 year ago
    The same with Obama.
  • Stevious · 1 year ago
    Maybe you've subscribed to the Rove version of the numbers, but let me repeat:

    Obama currently leads among pledged delegates 1,415.5 to 1,253.5, a margin of 162 with 18 delegates currently for Edwards and 566 left to be determined. In terms of percentages, this translates to Obama 52.7%--46.7% Clinton, with 82.6% reporting. In any other campaign, if a candidate led by 6% with 83% reporting, all major news outlets would project that candidate as the winner.
  • TDH · 1 year ago
    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday continues to show a very close competition in the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination. It’s Clinton 46%, Obama 44%.

    So all of John's and Kos's over-the-top hysteria hasn't moved the public.
  • kladinvt · 1 year ago
    Clinton is behaving as if she's being directed by Karl Rove! Do Dems really want to get down in the gutter like the repugs have done over & over again?
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    How strange is it that Pelosi (unless I missed it) has not responded to the letter sent by Clinton supporters? I would think if anybody threatened me in that manner I would have very harsh words in response. Does Pelosi not see it as a threat OR worse does she see it as a real threat and therefore remains silent? Either way it speaks volumns about Pelosi and those 20 supporters. The supporters think they can buy our government (they are probably right) and Pelosi once again backs down (whatever her reasons).
  • chicagopotter · 1 year ago
    She has responded in a statement by her spokesman:

    “Speaker Pelosi is confident that superdelegates will choose between Senators Clinton or Obama -- our two strong candidates -- before the convention in August. That choice will be based on many considerations, including respecting the decisions of millions of Americans who have voted in primaries and participated in caucuses. The Speaker believes it would do great harm to the Democratic Party if superdelegates are perceived to overturn the will of the voters. This has been her position throughout this primary season, regardless of who was ahead at any particular point in delegates or votes.”

    http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com...
  • kl8n · 1 year ago
    Let her take her big money people with her. The Obama campaign has proven that if you take the time to actually engage the public, and to develop a personal vision and then articulate it well, you can bring in more cash from "the little people". I know these concepts are completely foreign to the Scoop Jacksonian/Reaganite/DLC side of the party, but they work. If Hildo took half the time she spends on calculating and triangulating and script writing and put it toward crafting a sincere message and connecting with voters, she wouldn't have to resort to this type of shit in the first place.

    Let her and the ones like her whose influence can be bought for the price of a large campaign donation keep showing just how nasty and self-centered they are. They can take their toys and run home for all I care. The Internet is starting to make them irrelevant. And they're about to get a whole lot more irrelevant when President Obama is sworn in in January.
  • firebrand · 1 year ago
    Duck and Cover(Up): Hillary Under Fire
    http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/13705
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    tommccaslin 44 minutes ago

    Never! The Clintons reinforced that yesterday. Big dog Bill was out and made it damn clear that Hillary WILL NOT throw in the towel. Hillary made it damn clear yesterday by saying "it is a spirited fight". Neither will concede until the last vote is counted. Too bad, I always liked Bill but no more.
  • Hennry2008 · 1 year ago
    What are you afraid of. Obama needs those super delegates to win. The math does not look well for him. Not enough delegates in the remaining primaries.
  • wilder · 1 year ago
    Last I heard, it was perfectly right to withhold funding from someone you disagree with. Haven't we done that enough (or, similarly, threatened to fund the opponent) with Democratic leaders we disagree with? Yet in our case, it's a noble expression of grassroots power, while in their case, they're just corrupt pigs bent on destroying the Democratic Party.
  • redjb · 1 year ago
    lets get a campaign, the net roots, to make up the difference...
    it's how Obama got his money..

    LOTS of small doners...

    bottom up...right on
  • Dianne_in_DC · 1 year ago
    I believe Elton John has a residence in NYC, which makes him a constituent of Hillary's. Its so sad that she is making such a spectacle of herself.
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    wilder

    i think there is a world of difference. Withhold money from a candidate you disagree with is one thing but to threaten to withhold money from all potential candidates UNLESS you get want you want in --this case for Pelosi to retract her words--is blackmail. In one instance you disagree with the candidate, in the other you blackmail someone to get their agreement.
  • wilder · 1 year ago
    That may be, but I thought that our goal was to try and reduce the big donors' influence anyway. So if they left, more small donors would fill the gap (so good for democracy) and it would also show that the big donors were no more bound to give money for policies they disliked than the rest of us.
  • katymine · 1 year ago
    Use the following Toll-Free numbers to the Capitol Switchboard. Dial one number, ask for Rep. X - provide your input. THEN when you can hit redial, do it again...
    1 (800) 828 - 0498
    1 (800) 459 - 1887
    1 (800) 614 - 2803
    1 (866) 340 - 9281
    1 (866) 338 - 1015
    1 (877) 851 - 6437
  • Sage24 · 1 year ago
    This is very interesting reading. No one seems to be talking about the Peter Paul vs. The Clinton lawsuit that is ongoing. It seems the Clintons are being implicated in a lawsuit, and now an interesting video has been shown as evidence. The media is selective, again, in how they are carrying these elections. The Clinton camp keeps shouting Rezko, but Obama has not been sued by anyone in a lawsuit. It is the Clinton couple that has been taken into court, and people who are going to vote for their President, this year, has a right to know about this serious matter.

    http://www.usjf.net/modules.php?op=modload&name...
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    What I wonder about, considering the enormous wealth and influence of these 20 supporters, is how it will affect the super delegates? If these 20 suppporters are gutsy enough to think they can influence the Speaker of House, don't you think they are out there trying to influence super delegates? I mean it doesn't have to be cash payments, maybe just all of a sudden your business gets better, contacts that were closed are now open etc.
  • Mikki --SE Pennsylvania · 1 year ago
    I think perhaps the time has come to evaluate the whole superdelegate idea, not the current mess, but the original mess. I think basically the DNC going forward with the concept of superdelegates was a badly flawed idea and we are now seeing the worst possible outcome of this bad idea. It is really nothing but a bunch of pols trying to build in the ability to fiddle the publics right to express an opinion. The whole idea that whole states should not have their delgates seated as some sort of punishment for not abiding by the rules of the DNC is rediculous; but even more so is the idea that having done this with everyones agreement; now bitch Hillary doesn't like the outcome so we should change the rules again is obscene. The superdelegate crap is just another way to put a political fix into an election.
    It stinks to high heaven and I sincerely hope that enough decent thinking people will be left to see that the whole idea is flushed for good. Maybe its tied in with the whole election process. The time is long past when we need an electoral college or superdelegates or restriction to a two party system. What is wrong with having every qualified man and woman vote and count their vote as they made it. Noi more fiddling about differences between getting whole or partial numbers of delegates JUST COUNT THE VOTE! Actually you could do very nicely without the whole party mechanisms so that many flacks could be freed to go out and find honest work. Certainly the fact that Hillary can so easily attempt to meddle in the process because of her insane conviction that she is "owed" the nomination would be stopped because of no superdelegates; surely the bitter experiences of the last seven years should be enough for decent thinking people to work to remove all party interference in the nominating and election processes.
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    Where is John Edwards? He ran on a platform that denounced the very actions of these 20 supporters., the buying of America by corporations. I would think Edwards should say something. His silence is troubling. Was he just another politician that found a niche to campaign on OR was he sincere?
  • ChicagoKid · 1 year ago
    Shrillary is the new Nader!

    She and Bill are now radioactive for the democratic party. Their win-at-all-costs tactics will help us lose the whitehouse and f-up the Supreme Court for our life.

    As I travel the U.S., it's interesting that most places that sell political t-shirts have a ton of McCain and Hillary shirts, but never have any Obama shirts in stock. I angrily asked one clerk why she didn't have any Obama shirts. She told me that they couldn't keep them in stock. Nuff said.

    Where is Shrillary's income tax info?!?!?
  • ChicagoKid · 1 year ago
    Now that Hillary has been nailed in an outright fabrication of her role in Bosnia, it is time to remind ourselves of another, even more galling, fantasy that Hillary tried to sell to voters.

    After Sept. 11, Hillary had a problem. New Yorkers were desperately focused on their own need for protection and they were saddled with a senator who was not one of them — an Arkansan, or was it a Chicagoan?

    Interviewed on the “Today Show” one week after Sept. 11, she spun an elaborate yarn. The kindest thing we could say was that it was a fantasy. Or a fabrication.

    She said that Chelsea was jogging around the World Trade Center on Sept. 11 and happened to duck into a coffee shop when the airplanes hit. She said that this move saved Chelsea’s life. But Chelsea told Talk magazine that she was in a friend’s apartment four miles from ground zero when the first plane hit. Her friend called her, waking her up, and told her to turn on the TV. On television, she saw the second plane hit, disproving Hillary’s claim that “she heard the plane hit. She heard it. She did.”

    So why did Hillary make up the story about Chelsea? Most likely to was because her co-senator (and implicit rival for the voters’ affection), a real New Yorker, Charles Schumer (D), spoke of his daughter, who attended Stuyvesant High School, located next to the Trade Center, being at real risk on Sept. 11. Hillary needed to make herself part of the scene.

    She invented the entire story on national television, the “Today Show,” and didn’t blink an eye.

    Her fabrication on the “Today Show” was no unique foray. It is her standard M.O. It gives us pause in evaluating all of her stories and calls into question her entire credibility.
  • Coming Undone · 1 year ago
    The problem with Hillary getting the nomination is that the voters keep getting in the way.
  • Hennry2008 · 1 year ago
    The problem with Obama gettingthe nomination is that the voters keep getting in the way.
  • Demo_Dave · 1 year ago
    You know on here the rating system is designed to eliminate anyone who doesn't support the Messiah Obama.
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    Why are my comments not being posted
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    None of my comments post now
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  • Demo_Dave · 1 year ago
  • OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago
    MSNBC is reporting that some superdelegates are saying the letter they received is "bullying" them.

    But also, some of Jeremiah Wright's past writings in church bulletins are being "exposed": and touted as "unAmerican"--gee, wonder who's pushing that?
  • CitizenTwenty · 1 year ago
    Acknowledging that in a varied form I am plagiarizing Mike Malloy...
    I will henceforth refer to the Clintons, Ma Clinton, Pa Clinton and the apparently eternal twelve year old "I don't answer questions from the evil press" Chelsea as the "Clinton Crime Family".
    There rap goes a little like this: "If you want yer mah-jo-rity in yer congress pra-tected...Ya betta shut yer Obama lovin' trap yer Pelosi."
  • OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago
    OK. So we have this bullying letter to superdelegates, and now, some church bulletins with Jeremiah Wright's observations about Israel in them, publicized as "anti-Israel" or even "anti-semitic...I think AIPAC is very busy these days, to be truthful.
  • Demo_Dave · 1 year ago
    If you really want to win in November start talking about party unity. Obama has run his whole campaign about being a uniter and you guys just do nothing but bash and alienate Clinton supporters that you need in the fall to win. While you are having a great time the candidate your really helping is John McCain. Obamas message is peaceful in and kind and his supporters is hateful ....it's a loosing combination. It's time for you guys to reach out.
  • tommccaslin · 1 year ago
    LOL, this site is rich: http://www.hillarythebitch.com/
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    Good look at some of Hillary's "Gang of 20":

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/27/912/919...
  • ericgoldman · 1 year ago
    Interesting that you give a complete pass to Speaker Pelosi for alienating the party base.

    Really, what's next -- Hilary had lunch with her investment advisor and now the stock market is in turmoil, ergo, the next recession is Hilary's fault? Hilary has a mortgage, so she's responsible for the current credit crisis?

    Enough already. This site has become a prime example of how and why the Democratic party is in a tailspin, and how even in this year it's even money as to whether a Republican or a Democrat will take the White House.

    NOBODY IS WINNING THIS BATTLE OF NEGATIVITY EXCEPT THE INVISIBLE JOHN MCCAIN.
  • kl8n · 1 year ago
    ericgoldman 13 hours ago:

    Interesting that you give Clinton a complete pass for throwing a public tantrum. Who's alienating the base here?

    The Democratic Party is not in a tailspin. It's having a long overdue realignment. This stuff is all ideological growing pains, at most. We're being forced to deal with issues that have been put on the back burner since the 60s. And this is going to happen whether Hillary Clinton and her supporters face facts or not.

    Clinton is the candidate of the Scoop Jackson/Reaganite/DLC crowd. She and her surrogates are like wounded dogs that have been cornered. They're snarling and growling, even at those who are trying to help. She is doing not only the party, but herself a disservice. She could have left the race an elder stateswoman, with her head held high and with a decent amount of respect from not only Democrats, but a majority of Americans. Instead, she's hanging on to the bitter end, and is ruining her chances to be remembered favorably. She could simply admit that she and her campaign staff messed it up. Had they taken a realistic view of the race from the beginning, planning for a full campaign instead of arrogantly assuming that she would easily sail toward the nomination, she wouldn't have to resort to threats now.
  • jr · 1 year ago
    Hillary's Reaganista greed knows no bounds. She's the most self centered person in the country. If only Jonathan Tasini could have beaten her in the 2006 senate primary
  • Mykel1 · 1 year ago
    I have been thinking that Candidate McCain should be elected to POTUS so the long unbroken chain of white male presidents remains in tact.

    It is this chain, rather than the DNA chain that demonstrates there is no superior race.

    All I see from this self described superior man is a superior mess being made.

    .
  • davespicer · 1 year ago
    Okay, I just wrote my Representative - Heath Shuler (NC-11) - and asked him to consider what is best for the team... and for the nation. We'll see how his office replies.
  • Mike_H · 1 year ago
    No, I disagree -- this isn't Clinton's fault, it's Pelosi's and Reid's and Dean's. The party should have shown some spine long before now and made it clear how this should be played.

    Pelosi's statement was far too little, too late, and she shouldn't have been surprised the Clinton campaign pushed back.

    There's blame enough all around, but the continual spinelessness of the Democratic leadership is the essential problem, John, not Clinton's campaign.
  • green2 · 1 year ago
    Um ok let me get this straight..if I am a big donor I should continue to send money to an organization that I think is wrong? Give me a break! How many of you do that ?
  • GrantinHouston · 1 year ago
    I see that Hillarybots Hennry2008 and Demo Dave are batting cleanup here again. Demo Dave, I have Hillarybots come here even when I am not posting and have lowered my rating. I see today it rose to a -13. I could give a s**t what Hillary lovers have to say.

    The Houston Chronicle's cartoonist Nick Anderson has a good one today:

    http://blogs.chron.com/nickanderson/
  • Mykel1 · 1 year ago
    VIDEO: Cops Beat Peaceful Tibetan Protesters outside UN building

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7NUNwq2MGc&eurl...
  • SPatrick · 1 year ago
    Clearly you don't understand the definition of the word blackmail. I might suggest that people look it up before they run off making phone calls like lunatics. This is not blackmail. Not even close.
  • mirth · 1 year ago
    tommccaslin:

    There is nothing "rich" about disgusting hate sites.