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Hillary's, sadly, is on her shoulders.
If she intends to damage the party make her pay for her actions. Seems like the logical thing to impose.
We have to stop it, but i don't know how.
Obama cannot win this election without the support of those of us who voted for his primary competitor. I will vote for him, despite the antagonism of so many of his supporters to anyone who didn't vote for him already. He's better than those supporters. I know that. So I'll vote for him (but then, I, like so many of Clinton's supporters, always vote Democrat). But I for one am glad that she is going to the convention (like, oh, Ted Kennedy did, and Gary Hart... she's hardly the first candidate to go to the convention and use her delegate count as a way to get her voters' issues represented in the platform-- she's only the one with the MOST delegates). I'm glad that she's going to use her enormous vote total and delegate total and her strong showing in most major industrial states as a way to push her/OUR agenda. You act like she only represents herself. You're wrong. At the convention, she will represent the many millions who voted for her, and really, I hope Obama has more sense than you do, and understands how important it is that those votes have a voice there in Denver.
I like Obama. I will vote for him. But if he were as antagonistic as so many of his supporters, I'd probably find a reason to stay home. (Well, no. I wouldn't. I'd go and pull that D lever no matter what. But I'd THINK about staying home, for the first time in 3 decades.... And then I'd go off and do my civic duty. :) I do want Obama and everyone else to know that there are millions and millions of us who found Clinton's take to the issues compatible, and I hope he studies this and understands why, and makes the modifications needed in his own platform to represent that.
I am glad that Clinton is strong enough, tough enough, to withstand the antagonism and go to Denver and make sure that health care is fully discussed and a national health insurance program is set in motion (might take a few years... but it'll be a start). Please do not pretend that she's representing only herself-- assume those of us who voted for her-- and whose votes Obama needs-- had a good reason in our own minds for doing so, and that she represents many, many, many of your Democratic colleagues.
I don't recall anyone in the Obama campaign reminding us of the turbulent White House years under Bill Clinton, where scandal after scandal made the evening headline news.
I don't recall Obama zeroing in on Hillary's ability to "fabricate" a tale out of reality--simply for the purpose of telling a story.
I don't recall Obama playing the "race" card on Hillary--as "she" did along side the GOP in keeping the "Wright" issue spinning 24/7.
I don't recall Obama bragging to the world that he has a solid base of educated African Americans, whites, Hispanic, and Asian. Hillary reminded us in front of the world that the poorly educated and economically depressed whites of Kentucky, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia would prefer a presidential candidate with a skin tone the same "hue" as hers.
Obama has run an extraordinary campaign, and the money in the bank account is proof positive. Hillary can't win! It's nothing personal, and the debts are mounting up daily. How an individual runs their campaign, is insight to how they would run the country.
Hoping that Hillary will see the light and bow out gracefully isn't a personal attack on the women of this country. It's simply time for her to call it a day.
Please give us an ACTION PLAN that will pressure the Democratic Party to stop this or else we lose. And so do the American people.
Hillary - what a selfish DINO!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080521/pl_nm/usa_p...
And Indigo, as far as "sexism" not being a factor, what about the Obama supporter yelling "Bitch" down there? Of course sexism is a factor. Just as racism will be a factor in the general election, and the party can certainly learn how to deal better with that factor (I hope by just giving up on the racist vote, which we don't need).
But Obama will only benefit from understanding the needs of the millions of voters who didn't go for him in the primaries. He simply cannot (and will not) write those votes off, no matter how many of his supporters seems happy to do so.
on someone yelling the ord "Bicth"! And, you're sure it was't someone from Hillary's
campaign pretending to be a disgruntled Obama supporter?
I'm not sure if you've been following Obama's campaign. I believe he's attempted to hold out
the palm leaf througout the campaign. Why would you even entertain the thought of Obama
writing off Hillary's supporters.
And answer this! Wouldn't it have been far nobler for Hillary to denounce the obvious
the actions and opinions of the exit poll voters who voted for her simply as a matter of race?
Can you honestly tell me that the entire world isn't aware that Hillary threw the kitchen sink at
Obama?
Her campaign has turned MOST of the people who LOVED her and her husband into EOB's (enemies of Bill). Her use of Rush Limbaugh has sealed her fate as a Democrat. I truly believe that the Clinton's will become a lieberman type 3rd party candidate.
All of the people who post here know what it is like to support the Clintons. I have all of their stupid, poorly written books, I have gotten into numerous arguments defending them over the years and I have always donated to both of their politcal campaigns. I actually got thrown out of a comedy show in Vegas for sticking up for Chelsea Clinton (back in '96). i should have seen it earlier but I didn't. Clintons = Limbaugh.
At the beginning of the election season, I could have gone either way. But Hillary, your statements have made it more and more clear why you are a dangerous individual. A megalomaniac of sorts. You appear, to me, to be hungry for power, deceiving yourself in your blind quest for personal achievement. The presidency is not about you. Perhaps you've even said this in a speech or two. It's about the people. And if you are willing to do things that jeapordize a democratic winner in November, then you clearly do not have the people's interests at hand. You have your interests. Your interests do not matter to me, as a voter. Your legacy does not matter to me as a voter. Your ego does not matter to me as a voter. This is bigger than you. This is bigger than Obama. You continue to make deceiving statements. You continue to push for Michigan and Florida. How am I, as a voter, supposed to feel about this? A huge slap in the face, is what this is. You count these votes like they should count, knowing full well that had Obama campaigned in both states, the outcomes would be significantly different. But he did not, because the party said these states would not count, as your campaign agreed to. But now you pretend that these states show some sort of preference to you with no votes to Obama in Michigan? Your logic is insulting to me. To even hear you speak about this makes me angry. Very angry. You insult my intelligence. You insult my vote as a voter. You insult every man, woman, and child in this country who you purport to want to help. You give them John McCain? You aren't helping. You are part of the problem.
Depending on what happens in the next few weeks, history may judge the Clintons as a disaster for America. I will equate you with Bush if your actions give McCain the presidency. This will be a huge mistake. Hatred for Hillary will abound, not just by the usual lizard-brained Republicans that blindly hated you, but the hatred will come from intelligent moderates and liberals who support the Democratic party and want change in this country.
You have lost the election. Your logic for continuing is clearly one of personal egotism. It is disgusting.
The author was correct: Hillary didn't decide to stop attacking Obama to keep the party unified; she stopped because it was no longer having an effect. She's found a new "buzz" word--sexism!
Your article reveals an extraordinary insight into what we're all felling at the moment.
What more can you say? Hillary's bad news.
That's what the pundits should be talking about.
How can a person keep carrying so much DEBT from month to month?
It's 2 months in a row now she is in debt....HOW can she go thru to August with 30? 40? 50 Millions dollars in debt?
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Looks like somebody's making money on the "keep hillary's campaign alive" gravy train, I mean somebody besides her overpaid consultants.
If she doesn't drop out, can we get Kenny Rogers to perform at the convention? You know the song.........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sister_Souljah_moment
You are so right about Rachel Maddow.
I remember that night a few weeks ago when Rachel said Hillary was going on and not giving up. ALL of the other pundits sitting there thought she was nuts. You could tell they thought Rachel "finally" made a mistake on National TV. They all dissed her...but she kept her ground...but they still poo poo'd her.
And Rachel kept smiling and kept to her guns.
Damn, She needs her own show...SOON!
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That's what the pundits should be talking about.
How can a person keep carrying so much DEBT from month to month?
It's 2 months in a row now she is in debt....HOW can she go thru to August with 30? 40? 50 Millions dollars in debt?
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I don't want her anywhere near the treasury.
She'd make Bush look like a penny pincher.
To prove that a woman could make it that far. It would be a milestone in it's own way for a woman to have come that far and been "competitive" up to that point (what a joke since we are talking about Hillary, but hey...)
Neither of us buy that this is the reason why Hillary is staying in, but if we thought that Hillary was a sane and rational person, this would make sense.
As it is, we both think Hillary is little better than Bush at this point in time.
Also, I have a question that I'll put out there for anyone to answer: when has Obama or anyone in his campaign ever said anything sexist about HC? I'm serious. Maybe it's happened, maybe even several times, and I just missed it. (Sorry, the "likable enough" dig at that debate a few months ago can't possible qualify as a sexist jab.) HC 's obviously pretty comfortable playing the race card; has Obama ever once returned the favor and done or said anything sexist at all? Doesn't seem like it to me, but I'd be fine w/ being proven wrong.
It seems the Democratic party is indulging in Hillary's fantasies, and bad math. What a waste of time and money.
I refuse to vote for any war supporter & especially someone who will not apologize for their war vote; like W, she is above & beyond acknowledging her mistakes. Do we really need another president with a personal security problem, who can not admit their mistakes?
So no Hillary, it isn't about being a woman, that you lost, it's about you, the person! Get it???
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/21/clinto...
Low and Behold.
E plurbus enum (sp) “out of many, one”, in Latin I believe. Because he is one of us and is willing to put himself on the line (literally his life on the line at times) to make things right.
He is the antithesis of the regular politician and seems like he actually gives a rat’s a$$ about people like the lady living in her car and is willing to fight for her right to the American dream. I bet she has no health insurance. Speaking of which what kind of freaking country is this where my DOG has a comprehensive health plan and my Mother does not? She has a job driving a school bus and cannot afford insurance (her employer does not provide it and she made too much money one month over a year ago and got booted from the WA state basic plan).
Bush and Company could care less about that lady and my Mom. And many run of the mill Democrats don’t have half the guts that Obama does to fight back when the Karl Roves of the world start attacking his wife or calling his following cult-like. He was on the Today show and told them “Look, if you have a beef with me be a man about it and take me and the rest of America on. But leave my wife and family alone.” I almost cried. A real man. He could have brought up the fact that McCain’s wife is a drug addict (recovering) and stole drugs from the medical charity she started, but no, he didn’t. The man has ethics and has yet to stoop down to their murky, slimy level in this fight. I want to believe the good will triumph over evil.
I will now get off my soapbox and return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
How delusional are the members of Hill's campaign staff? Do they honestly believe this preposterous 2012 election scenario? If the Dems lose in November they are not going to blame Obama - they won't even blame McCain - the total blame is going to fall on the Clintons, and they are going to become the new Liebermans of the party. And she can also start saying ta-ta to her NY senate seat, especially since not one AA, progressive Dem, Obama supporter, etc. will ever vote for her again.
I am a 51 year old gay man, and I am more of a feminist than Hillary Clinton has ever been. She would throw every woman in this country under the bus to win this nomination if she had to, just as she and her husband threw us gays under the bus with DOMA and DADT. She is just as arrogant, egocentric and delusional as GWB, with that same sense of unwarranted entitlement. Let her run her little game, and then sweep the remaining ashes out the door. Fuck her.
As a gymnast, she gets a 9.1. As a politician, she gets a 5.0. As a person, she gets a 1.0.
Certainly nothing the Obama campaign has said or done could in any way be construed as anywhere near as sexist as HILLARY'S supporter who introduced her at a rally by praising her "testicular fortitude". Where was her outrage over that?
That's not to deny that Hillary has faced blatant sexism from some individuals on the internet, etc. (just as Obama has faced blatant racism) -- but NOT from the Obama campaign.
Why is Hillary carrying the primary season on beyond all logic, actual mathematics, and reason? Because IT WORKED for Bush in 2000! The Rethugs created so much chaos, dragged out the deadlines and kept moving the goalposts, until they found someone who could AND would CHANGE THE RULES after the game was played and declare that the actual loser would be coronated as the winner.
Hillary is playing the same game: looking for the media to catapult the propaganda for her; convincing the super-delegates to vote for her in spite of the popular vote; lying about the math and whether caucuses should be counted; use the DNC rules committee to change the rules on May 31. If nothing else works, she will go to the "Democratic Supreme Court," i.e., the National Convention in Denver this August to get the nomination in what would be a complete rejection of the rules, of precedent, and all fairness.
If I were more tech-savvy, it would be a responsible act to create a YouTube video where Hillary's monogram "HRC" and her picture morph into those of "GWB." How curious that on the standard keyboard, the letters that make up Hillary's mongram are only 1 or 2 keys away from the letters in Bush's monogram.
Hillary was proud of her racist win in West Viginia, now supposed there was a state that Obama won because hard working Americans, hard working male Americans(that could not vote for a woman) and Obama was proud of that win. Hillary would have lost the what ever is left of her mind. Hillary has no problem in being proud that she wins the racist votes and tells the Super-delegates that this is the reason she should be the nominee.
So now all the voters that did not vote for Hillary are sexist
What happened in February? Well, I (still) believe that is when both she and her campaign (Bill) decided to align with the infamous Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. You know, that's the group with whom they now seemingly have Vast Connections.
All along both Hillary and her campaign have told everyone they are taking this fight to the convention, yet the media as well as most political sites, seem to not believe that threat. This woman has had full intention of taking this fight to the convention for many reasons; a few of which have to do with bloodying Obama beyond recognition to benefit herself AND McCain along with using her female followers as her own private warriors to once again threaten the powers that be.
Once a bully, always a bully...
Nobody understands ALL women the way Hillary does. Only white women know what it takes to lead a nation. Other kinds of women are not that bright. White women get the job done.
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