AMERICAblog: Hillary just torpedoed the DNC's "100 years" ad against McCain
dad
· 1 year ago
i think its fine for Hillary and John to be in Iraq for 50 years. i hope they are happy together there.
the rest of US want the hell out.
dad
· 1 year ago
it is a good thing she isn't going to be our nominee.
dommyluc
· 1 year ago
After all of the lies, half-truths, tacit racism, Republican ass-kissing, moving of electoral goalposts at any opportunity, her sense of entitlement and her bogus boast of her many years of "experience" (not to mention that "God bless us rich people" quote), my head is spinning so fast that I have only three words left to ever say to her: Fuck you, Hillary. That is all of the civility she has earned or deserves from me.
devis1
· 1 year ago
Yesterday it seemed she was advocating for another Cold War, Mideast Version. There is a plethora of material here for Obama and I don't think her positions will matter when she is delegated to the dustbin!
O/T--I went to Mark Warner's kickoff for U.S. Senate this AM in Norfolk. It was in the middle of the day and I'm guessing there were ~200 people there. Nice backdrop--the USS Wisconsin at the the Norfolk waterfront.
blksista
· 1 year ago
The b*tch is not, repeat IS NOT, a Democrat. Just like Lieberman, and I'm anticipating him becoming officially Repub at the GOP convention.
Why in hell aren't people stepping up to shut her up and put her out of business for good and all? Obama is standing out there on his own. It can't be a drip-drip of delegates towards him. It's got to be a flood.
shanobama
· 1 year ago
The whole argument is nonsense. We can stay in Iraq IF there is peace. There is no peace. When is there going to be peace in Iraq?
We stay until there is peace, then we don't leave. Or do we leave, wait for peace in Iraq, and then go back?
Someone needs to clear this one up.
Do we stay until there is peace and then not leave. Or do we leave and wait for peace and then go back?
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Equally noteworthy is the faqct that this is one of the few times Hillary has told the trush and if she is the nominee we will continue in Iraq for at least 4 more years.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Correction:
Equally noteworthy is the fact that this is one of the few times Hillary has told the truth, namely, she wants tocontinue to feed the war machine by staying in Iraq as long as she is alive. If she is the nominee we will continue in Iraq for at least 4 more years.
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
Get ready for Presnit McBush
shanobama
· 1 year ago
Both McCain and Clinton have made terrible foreign policy gaffes. McCain on kicking Russia out of the G8, Clinton on obliterating Iran.
They both want war with Iran.
Obama will have a huge advantage negotiating in the Middle East because he understands a bit about Muslim culture. He is the strongest candidate on foreign policy and national security of the three.
KerrynowCampau
· 1 year ago
"it is a good thing she isn't going to be our nominee."
Crossing fingers, dad, but it has been a looooooong time since someone who makes as much sense as Obama got the nod.
PeteWa
· 1 year ago
Hillary doesn't PRETEND to be a Republican, she's just like Joe.
Bludevlsadvocate
· 1 year ago
I don't see how Hillary's (stupid) statements undo the stupidity that is John McSame.
Since when does Hillary agreeing with McSame insulate him from criticism from our nominee?
evie
· 1 year ago
If Hillary takes the nomination, the least of our worries will be the gas tax holiday and Clinton saying 50 yrs instead of 100. The Democratic Party will pull apart at the seams.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Excuse me Hillary, but I am an American that does not agree with " it's not so much a question of time when it comes to American military presence for the average American; I include myself in this. But it is a question of casualties," said Clinton. So, am I to believe that if the troops remain that casualties will decrease?
This is total BS on Clinton's part. She never apologized for her vote on Iraq and obviously, despite her "rhetoric" still believes it was the right thing to do, which the Americans do not believe.
SteamingPile
· 1 year ago
Well, hopefully HRC gets bitten in the ass with it tomorrow. And maybe pigs will fly and I'll strike oil while working in my Victory garden.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Excuse me Hillary, but I am an American that does not agree with " it's not so much a question of time when it comes to American military presence for the average American; I include myself in this. But it is a question of casualties," said Clinton. So am I too believe that if the troops remain that casualties will decrease?
This is total BS on Clinton's part. She never apologized for her vote on Iraq and obviously, despite her "rhetoric" still believes it was the right thing to do, which the Americans do not believe.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
BTW, you notice how neither McCain or Hillary mention Vietnam in their references to military presence in staying in Iraq.
nsr
· 1 year ago
Wow. I didn't know they were still shooting in South Korea, Europe and Okinawa.
If Hillary wants to climb back on the Titanic, more power to her.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
sorry about the double posts, wasn't intentional
OneManComotion
· 1 year ago
The strangle hold on Washington runs very, very deep. Whom do you think will be the others vice president? Hillary or McCain?
hendricks
· 1 year ago
Hillary "Ma Barker" Clinton can kiss my ass. Warmongering lik*d thug. The pissant neocon traitor Joe Lieberman is a fucking piker next to the likes of this evil matahari piece of shit. Scratch the eyeballs out of innocent children, lie, cheat, steal--anything for the brass ring. Disgusting witch. Just go home.
interlude
· 1 year ago
who says she is going to be on the democratic ticket? sounds more and more like McCrime's running mate!
ericgoldman
· 1 year ago
Clearly, the situation in Iraq is much changed since 2005. It will not be a problem for Hilary Clinton to claim that events in Iraq have proven that a Korea-style presence is no longer an option, since the mere presence of American troops has proven de-stabilizing.
Maybe people will care about this. Then again, maybe people will care about the story reported on Huffington Post and the Wall Street Journal about Obama's understanding with Teamsters President Hoffa. According to those reports, Senator Obama was the only Democratic candidate that agreed with Hoffa that the Justice Department supervision of the Teamsters should come to an end. The Teamsters were placed under the supervision of the Justice Department due to the high level of influence of organized crime in the union.
Maybe some people will care that, in order to gain union support, and in order to encourage Mr. Hoffa to campaign on his behalf, Senator Obama agreed that as President he would be open to a conversation about reigning in the Justice Department, which (Bush Administration and Karl Rove assertions to the contrary) is supposed to function independently of the President. Maybe people will care that John Edwards and Hilary Clinton would not agree with Mr. Hoffa, on the grounds that the Justice Department must remain above politics. Maybe some people will care that the candidate above politics is not above back-room deals.
Maybe people will care that Senator Obama just ceded a significant point with which to attack Republicans in the general election; namely, that the Bush Administration's politicizing of the Justice Department was and is unconstitutional.
Today's polls have Clinton ahead of Obama nationally; the two are in a dead heat in Indiana; and Obama's 20 point lead in NC is down to 8. Contrary to the repeated assertions to the contrary on Americablog, both candidates say that the campaign will continue at least through June 3 and this campaign is not over.
The Democratic Party wants to win this election. But the party will never win until Democrats agree to act like one party, which means giving equal scrutiny to both candidates.
Nutjob
· 1 year ago
Propigating the idea of the U.S. Empire is also not the way to make the world feel as though the US has learned its lessons from the reign of Crazy King George. If Hilary steals this thing, or Obama loses to McCain, we're all meat for the Neo-nazi grinders.
FunMe
· 1 year ago
Anyone still supporting sHillary is not a real Democrat. They are more like DINOs like lieberman than anything else.
FunMe
· 1 year ago
Here are some legislative differences between sHillary and Obama:
Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term - 6yrs. - and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law - 20 - twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years.
These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress www.thomas.loc.gov, but to save you trouble, I’ll post them here for you.
1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site. 2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month. 3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor. 4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall. 5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson. 6. Name post office after Jonn A. O’Shea. 7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day. 8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day. 9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death. 10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men’s Lacrosse Team on winning the championship. 11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men’s Lacrosse Team on winning the championship. 12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program. 13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda. 14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death. 15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty. Only five of Clinton’s bills are, more substantive. 16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11. 17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11 18. Assist landmine victims in other countries. 19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care. 20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system. There you have it, the fact’s straight from the Senate Record. ============= Obama ============= During the first - 8 - eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced 233 regarding healthcare reform, 125 on poverty and public assistance, 112 crime fighting bills, 97 economic bills, 60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills, 21 ethics reform bills, 15 gun control, 6 veterans affairs and many others. NY TImes Obama’s record in the Illinois Senate http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/07/29/us... His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These inculded: 1. The Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 - became law, 2. The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, - became law, 3. The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate, 4. The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, - became law, 5. The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, In committee, and many more. In all, since entering the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096.
An impressive record, for someone who supposedly has no record according to some who would prefer that this comparison not be made public.
SociologistTina
· 1 year ago
Thanks for all that info, FunMe.
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aquarius2
· 1 year ago
ericgoldman
I assume you took your understanding of Obama and Hoffa from the Wall Street Journal article. Too bad you missed this paragraph.
"Neither Sen. Obama nor Teamsters President James P. Hoffa has spoken publicly about easing up federal oversight, a top priority for Mr. Hoffa since he became union president in 1999. On the campaign trail, Mr. Hoffa stresses Sen. Obama's criticism of the North American Free Trade Agreement as the big factor in winning the 1.4-million member union's support."
ericgoldman
· 1 year ago
My good friend Acquarius2:
Yes, of course I read the entire front page article, entitled "Obama Says Teamsters Need Less Oversight: Campaign Talks On Issue Preceded Union's Backing."
I read the lead paragraph, that states "Sen. Barack Obama won the endorsement of the Teamsters earlier this year after privately telling the union he supported ending the strict federal oversight imposed to root out corruption, according to officials from the union and the Obama campaign."
I read the second paragraph, which states "It's an unusual stance for a presidential candidate. Policy makers have largely treated monitoring of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters as a legal matter left to the Justice Department since an independent review board was set up in 1992 to eliminate mob influence in the union."
I read the sentence directly after the quote you pulled, which states "But John Coli, vice president for the Teamsters central region, who brokered the Teamsters endorsement, said Sen. Obama "was pretty definitive that the time had come to start the beginning of the end" of the three-member independent review board that investigates suspect activity in the union."
And despite the fact that, as you pointed out, Sen. Obama has never discussed this publicly, "Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor confirmed the candidate's position in a statement to The Wall Street Journal, saying that Sen. Obama believes that the board "has run its course," because "organized crime influence in the union has drastically declined." Mr. Vieter said that Sen. Obama took that position last year."
I also read the paragraph where the Justice Department disagrees with Sen. Obama, that the DOJ thinks the board is still necessary.
But I think my favorite part was the discussion of how Mr. Hoffa handed out posters of a bright yellow sombrero at a Peppermint Pattie plant to protest jobs going to Mexico under NAFTA, and how Mr.Hoffa got Sen. Obama to specifically mention the Peppermint Pattie plant in his speech. I wonder how that will play in the critical Latino community.
Anyway, it's always a pleasure to meet a fellow WSJ reader out here in the blogosphere.
E-
heraldsquare
· 1 year ago
Did you see where Clinton made the same comments about the monitor as Obama? Did you see that Obama made the same comments about the monitor in 2004?
I think Hillary did herself more damage with that than the democratic party. It just shows how close to John McCain and George Bush, Hillary Clinton is. If she wants to stay in Iraq as long as John McCain, why does that hurt the democratic party, and not Hillary Clinton. This is just one more, very important reason that she should not be the nominee. She is too radical (obliterate Iran) and too republican to be the democratic nominee. She cannot be believed when she now says she wants to get troops out of Iraq. It is just more political pandering.
I think there should be a commercial addendum with John McCain's "100 years" on one side and Hillary's "I agree with Senator McCain" on the other.
Andyz
· 1 year ago
I'm a democratic organizer and fundraiser in my state. I made this decision over the weekend. If Hillary is the nominee I work my ass off for Ralph Nader. It was a tough decision to make, but if at the end of the day if the best the two party system can do is Clinton and McCain, we seriously need a third party.
firebrand
· 1 year ago
Andyz
If Hillary is the nominee, I think you'll find a good number of Obama supporters joining your cause.
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
WTF is Clinton trying to do? She cannot be the nominee. We don't need 2 Rethugs running for the WH. And while I believe Obama will be the nominee, in spite of the Clintons' dirty tricks, these issues are NOT off the table as far as Obama is concerned. He has already rejected the "gas tax holiday" and so have most of this country's economists (who Clinton dissed--I mean, what the hell, she's not planning to use them? Bullshit.), as well as a majority of Americans in a poll, 49-47% against.
It's not up to Clinton to say to the American people that the US will stay in Iraq for however many more years. The American people want out--and we will refuse to hire another dictator.
I'm going to the polls tomorrow in NC to vote for Obama, and he'll get a majority in this state.
firebrand
· 1 year ago
O&W
Astute as usual. Hope NC meets your expectations.
interlude
· 1 year ago
one question, John, why do you say she JUST torpedoed the party, when the article is 3 years old? what did she JUST do? did she say something today?
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
ericgoldman
LOL! I wouldn't say good friend, however you do make things interesting. :)
firebrand
· 1 year ago
The Media Created the "Delusion" That Hillary Can Win
Not much difference between her and McCain, really.
Hell, she'd probably appoint Wingnuts to the Supreme Court too.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Andyz 29 minutes ago 2 points
Please login to rate.
I'm a democratic organizer and fundraiser in my state. I made this decision over the weekend. If Hillary is the nominee I work my ass off for Ralph Nader. It was a tough decision to make, but if at the end of the day if the best the two party system can do is Clinton and McCain, we seriously need a third party.
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Got nothing against a third party, but I'd never vote for that crackpot egomaniac.
I'll just write in Obama.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Any chance Obama runs as a third party candidate if the democratic party stelas thenomination from him?
firebrand
· 1 year ago
Meet the Press (Obama) blows out ABC This Week (Clinton) in Ratings: 8.5 rating to 1.3 rating
The Democrats in the New York state legislature are trying to beat back a Republican move for a gas tax holiday. They are one or two seats from controlling the State Senate, which would give them both houses of the legislature, as well as the governorship. It's too bad Hillary just gave all the Republican incumbents and challengers a lot of ammunition to use against their Democratic opponents in November but, as you say, it's all about her.
jr
· 1 year ago
"Senator McCain left his wife when she was disfigured a move which I agree with"-Hillary
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
ahh.... from now on, every time I hear hillary's voice... I'm going to have lyrics from The Damned going through my head:
Maybe It's cos' of the way that I dress They say I look out of place And my taste is a mess And there ain't
No point in trying Cos' I know what they're dying to do
Some stupid opinions on the way that I am They can look at me and I don't give a damn, damn, damn
They got no sense of humour They only spread the rumour They say I'm just misguided I don't agree
I think I'm wonderful I think I'm wonderful
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Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
Hey! hey! hey!........ I know I'm wonderful I know I'm wonderful I get up in the morning, kiss the mirror Hello gorgeous!
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OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
firebrand, that's good news about the Sunday ratings. But Timmeh was a jerk, from what's I've read regarding the Wright thing. Hopefully lots of other people think Timmeh is a jerk, too. : )
Today, Obama was in Durham, NC, a largely black city not too far from here; Bill was visiting Frog Level and other redneck towns...and McCrazy is coming in for a meet and greet with the Charlotte Chamber of Commerce, naturally, invitation for members only (and who's elite?).
firebrand
· 1 year ago
O&W
Calling Russert a jerk is a gentle term. He spent 15 minutes on Wright and other garbage . It was maddening.
Sorry, I meant to write that Timmeh is an asshole...so bright and shiny is he.
BrentDC
· 1 year ago
"her insistence on throwing every Democratic issue and constituency under the campaign bus, would turn around and hurt our chances in November."
This is what I don't get. Hillary is the epitome of corruption, dishonesty, bigotry, selfishness, and immorality. Yet her 'supporters' are still out there campaigning for her. What would drive a person to embrace such outright insanity? And can we afford to have such idiots in the Democratic Party? Personally, I think they are evil and can go to Hell.
shhhh
· 1 year ago
Is this more of that 'vetting' that was supposed to be done long ago? Why has it taken so long for this to come to the surface? And how much money (and time) has the DNC wasted on this talking point (that can't be use now)? Makes me sick, the whole lot of them.
DougStamate
· 1 year ago
I guess Mr. Aravosis is getting a bit desperate. First the quote is three years old. Second, in the quote, Sen. Clinton explicitly compares Iraq to South Korea, Europe and Okinawa. The last combat deaths in Okinawa and Europe occurred in 1945, the last combat death in South Korea prior to the cease-fire was in 1953. In other words, the US military forces in those places are not there to carry out day-to-day military operations, they are there to serve as support should an armed conflict break out. Since US troops could not stay in Iraq merely to await a possible future invasion from some unidentified enemy, the troops need to be withdrawn. Now, was that hard? Oh, I forgot, once HE becomes the annointed ONE, we won't need to think. In reply to BrentDC: You should limit you use of adjectives to no more than three, more than that gives the appearance of verbal stuttering. As to what would drive a person to support Sen. Clinton, I would suggest rereading your post. Or a mirror.
ericgoldman
· 1 year ago
Heraldsquare:
In the article i read, Hilary was described as declining to comment on the review board, and Barack was described as having been brought around to his current view after a long series of conversation with Teamsters reps.
Do you have sources that support your statenebt that Hilary has commented in the DOJ board, and that Barack has made public statenebts on this issue in 2004?
Tyke
· 1 year ago
If we kick her ass to the curb we will be just fine with both of these issues.
Two more reasons to dump her NOW!
ShirleyGoodnessanMercy
· 1 year ago
Hillary Mellon Scaife has clearly done lost her fuckin' mind.
KISSman
· 1 year ago
WTF? It's funny how we all knew that Hillary was this pseudo-Republican and the fact that she is Mrs. pro-gun, pro-nuke Iran, pro-Iraq occupation, pro-McCain's gas tax holiday, etc. just makes it all so apparent that she's actually more like McCain than Obama. I remember she even said that Obama is too liberal.
But what I can't understand is how this game plan to be a Republicrat would actually play in the general election. If people want to vote for McCain-like policies, they are just going to vote for McCain. People need a stark choice between candidates and not two people who are not that much different than each other.
SociologistTina
· 1 year ago
KissMan: "People need a stark choice between candidates and not two people who are not that much different than each other."
EXACTLY!
SociologistTina
· 1 year ago
Tyke: "If we kick her ass to the curb we will be just fine with both of these issues.
Two more reasons to dump her NOW!"
I couldn't agree more. And I like your little frog, Tyke!
SociologistTina
· 1 year ago
DougStamate: "First the quote is three years old. Second, in the quote, Sen. Clinton explicitly compares Iraq to South Korea, Europe and Okinawa. The last combat deaths in Okinawa and Europe occurred in 1945, the last combat death in South Korea prior to the cease-fire was in 1953."
Yes, you do have some good points there. However, Feminist Leaders in NYC (over 100) made the same point back in 2/3/08 which John is making now.
"The group based their opposition to Clinton on 'her seven-year record as senator.' Despite her recent pledges to remove troops from Iraq, the group stated, Clinton's 'record of embracing military solutions and the foreign policy advisers she has selected make us doubt that she will end this calamitous war.'
The group supported Obama not only for his positions on the war and gender equality, but also because of 'the dramatic engagement of young people" with his campaign.' "
I agree with your point that she didn't JUST torpedo the ad: she did it a long time ago, and on numerous occasions.
In case you are wondering who these people are, they include "longtime peace activist Cora Weiss; Katha Pollitt, columnist for The Nation; Pulitzer-prize winning New York Times writer Margo Jefferson; award-winning women's rights historians Alice Kessler Harris and Linda Gordon; Barbara Weinstein, president of the American Historical Association, and Ellen P. Chapnick, Dean for Social Justice Initiatives at Columbia Law School. Susan Sarandon and Francis Fox Piven."
I myself have been a student of political analyst Frances Fox Piven's work for over 25 years.
SociologistTina
· 1 year ago
Interesting discussion here.
scottinsf
· 1 year ago
Just another example of why she lost the nomination John.
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i hope they are happy together there.
the rest of US want the hell out.
Fuck you, Hillary.
That is all of the civility she has earned or deserves from me.
O/T--I went to Mark Warner's kickoff for U.S. Senate this AM in Norfolk. It was in the middle of the day and I'm guessing there were ~200 people there. Nice backdrop--the USS Wisconsin at the the Norfolk waterfront.
Why in hell aren't people stepping up to shut her up and put her out of business for good and all? Obama is standing out there on his own. It can't be a drip-drip of delegates towards him. It's got to be a flood.
We can stay in Iraq IF there is peace.
There is no peace.
When is there going to be peace in Iraq?
We stay until there is peace, then we don't leave.
Or do we leave, wait for peace in Iraq, and then go back?
Someone needs to clear this one up.
Do we stay until there is peace and then not leave.
Or do we leave and wait for peace and then go back?
Equally noteworthy is the fact that this is one of the few times Hillary has told the truth, namely, she wants tocontinue to feed the war machine by staying in Iraq as long as she is alive. If she is the nominee we will continue in Iraq for at least 4 more years.
They both want war with Iran.
Obama will have a huge advantage negotiating in the Middle East because he understands a bit about Muslim culture. He is the strongest candidate on foreign policy and national security of the three.
Crossing fingers, dad, but it has been a looooooong time since someone who makes as much sense as Obama got the nod.
Since when does Hillary agreeing with McSame insulate him from criticism from our nominee?
This is total BS on Clinton's part. She never apologized for her vote on Iraq and obviously, despite her "rhetoric" still believes it was the right thing to do, which the Americans do not believe.
This is total BS on Clinton's part. She never apologized for her vote on Iraq and obviously, despite her "rhetoric" still believes it was the right thing to do, which the Americans do not believe.
If Hillary wants to climb back on the Titanic, more power to her.
Maybe people will care about this. Then again, maybe people will care about the story reported on Huffington Post and the Wall Street Journal about Obama's understanding with Teamsters President Hoffa. According to those reports, Senator Obama was the only Democratic candidate that agreed with Hoffa that the Justice Department supervision of the Teamsters should come to an end. The Teamsters were placed under the supervision of the Justice Department due to the high level of influence of organized crime in the union.
Maybe some people will care that, in order to gain union support, and in order to encourage Mr. Hoffa to campaign on his behalf, Senator Obama agreed that as President he would be open to a conversation about reigning in the Justice Department, which (Bush Administration and Karl Rove assertions to the contrary) is supposed to function independently of the President. Maybe people will care that John Edwards and Hilary Clinton would not agree with Mr. Hoffa, on the grounds that the Justice Department must remain above politics. Maybe some people will care that the candidate above politics is not above back-room deals.
Maybe people will care that Senator Obama just ceded a significant point with which to attack Republicans in the general election; namely, that the Bush Administration's politicizing of the Justice Department was and is unconstitutional.
Today's polls have Clinton ahead of Obama nationally; the two are in a dead heat in Indiana; and Obama's 20 point lead in NC is down to 8. Contrary to the repeated assertions to the contrary on Americablog, both candidates say that the campaign will continue at least through June 3 and this campaign is not over.
The Democratic Party wants to win this election. But the party will never win until Democrats agree to act like one party, which means giving equal scrutiny to both candidates.
Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term - 6yrs. - and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law - 20 - twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years.
These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress www.thomas.loc.gov, but to save you trouble, I’ll post them here for you.
1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.
2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.
3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.
4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.
5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson.
6. Name post office after Jonn A. O’Shea.
7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.
10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men’s Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men’s Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.
13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.
14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.
15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty. Only five of Clinton’s bills are, more substantive.
16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.
17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11
18. Assist landmine victims in other countries.
19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.
20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.
There you have it, the fact’s straight from the Senate Record.
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Obama
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During the first - 8 - eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced
233 regarding healthcare reform,
125 on poverty and public assistance,
112 crime fighting bills,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
15 gun control,
6 veterans affairs and many others.
NY TImes Obama’s record in the Illinois Senate
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/07/29/us...
His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These inculded:
1. The Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 - became law,
2. The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, - became law,
3. The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,
4. The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, - became law,
5. The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, In committee, and many more.
In all, since entering the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096.
An impressive record, for someone who supposedly has no record according to some who would prefer that this comparison not be made public.
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I assume you took your understanding of Obama and Hoffa from the Wall Street Journal article. Too bad you missed this paragraph.
"Neither Sen. Obama nor Teamsters President James P. Hoffa has spoken publicly about easing up federal oversight, a top priority for Mr. Hoffa since he became union president in 1999. On the campaign trail, Mr. Hoffa stresses Sen. Obama's criticism of the North American Free Trade Agreement as the big factor in winning the 1.4-million member union's support."
Yes, of course I read the entire front page article, entitled "Obama Says Teamsters Need Less Oversight: Campaign Talks On Issue Preceded Union's Backing."
I read the lead paragraph, that states "Sen. Barack Obama won the endorsement of the Teamsters earlier this year after privately telling the union he supported ending the strict federal oversight imposed to root out corruption, according to officials from the union and the Obama campaign."
I read the second paragraph, which states "It's an unusual stance for a presidential candidate. Policy makers have largely treated monitoring of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters as a legal matter left to the Justice Department since an independent review board was set up in 1992 to eliminate mob influence in the union."
I read the sentence directly after the quote you pulled, which states "But John Coli, vice president for the Teamsters central region, who brokered the Teamsters endorsement, said Sen. Obama "was pretty definitive that the time had come to start the beginning of the end" of the three-member independent review board that investigates suspect activity in the union."
And despite the fact that, as you pointed out, Sen. Obama has never discussed this publicly, "Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor confirmed the candidate's position in a statement to The Wall Street Journal, saying that Sen. Obama believes that the board "has run its course," because "organized crime influence in the union has drastically declined." Mr. Vieter said that Sen. Obama took that position last year."
I also read the paragraph where the Justice Department disagrees with Sen. Obama, that the DOJ thinks the board is still necessary.
But I think my favorite part was the discussion of how Mr. Hoffa handed out posters of a bright yellow sombrero at a Peppermint Pattie plant to protest jobs going to Mexico under NAFTA, and how Mr.Hoffa got Sen. Obama to specifically mention the Peppermint Pattie plant in his speech. I wonder how that will play in the critical Latino community.
Anyway, it's always a pleasure to meet a fellow WSJ reader out here in the blogosphere.
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http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/14440
I think there should be a commercial addendum with John McCain's "100 years" on one side and Hillary's "I agree with Senator McCain" on the other.
If Hillary is the nominee, I think you'll find a good number of Obama supporters joining your cause.
It's not up to Clinton to say to the American people that the US will stay in Iraq for however many more years. The American people want out--and we will refuse to hire another dictator.
I'm going to the polls tomorrow in NC to vote for Obama, and he'll get a majority in this state.
Astute as usual. Hope NC meets your expectations.
what did she JUST do? did she say something today?
LOL! I wouldn't say good friend, however you do make things interesting. :)
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/84370
Hell, she'd probably appoint Wingnuts to the Supreme Court too.
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I'm a democratic organizer and fundraiser in my state. I made this decision over the weekend. If Hillary is the nominee I work my ass off for Ralph Nader. It was a tough decision to make, but if at the end of the day if the best the two party system can do is Clinton and McCain, we seriously need a third party.
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Got nothing against a third party, but I'd never vote for that crackpot egomaniac.
I'll just write in Obama.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/du...
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They say I look out of place
And my taste is a mess
And there ain't
No point in trying
Cos' I know what they're dying to do
Some stupid opinions
on the way that I am
They can look at me
and I don't give a damn, damn, damn
They got no sense of humour
They only spread the rumour
They say I'm just misguided
I don't agree
I think I'm wonderful
I think I'm wonderful
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I know I'm wonderful
I know I'm wonderful
I get up in the morning, kiss the mirror
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Today, Obama was in Durham, NC, a largely black city not too far from here; Bill was visiting Frog Level and other redneck towns...and McCrazy is coming in for a meet and greet with the Charlotte Chamber of Commerce, naturally, invitation for members only (and who's elite?).
Calling Russert a jerk is a gentle term. He spent 15 minutes on Wright and other garbage . It was maddening.
I thought Obama did well though.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Dueling_spin_from...
This is what I don't get. Hillary is the epitome of corruption, dishonesty, bigotry, selfishness, and immorality. Yet her 'supporters' are still out there campaigning for her. What would drive a person to embrace such outright insanity? And can we afford to have such idiots in the Democratic Party? Personally, I think they are evil and can go to Hell.
Since US troops could not stay in Iraq merely to await a possible future invasion from some unidentified enemy, the troops need to be withdrawn. Now, was that hard? Oh, I forgot, once HE becomes the annointed ONE, we won't need to think.
In reply to BrentDC: You should limit you use of adjectives to no more than three, more than that gives the appearance of verbal stuttering. As to what would drive a person to support Sen. Clinton, I would suggest rereading your post. Or a mirror.
In the article i read, Hilary was described as declining to comment on the review board, and Barack was described as having been brought around to his current view after a long series of conversation with Teamsters reps.
Do you have sources that support your statenebt that Hilary has commented in the DOJ board, and that Barack has made public statenebts on this issue in 2004?
Two more reasons to dump her NOW!
But what I can't understand is how this game plan to be a Republicrat would actually play in the general election. If people want to vote for McCain-like policies, they are just going to vote for McCain. People need a stark choice between candidates and not two people who are not that much different than each other.
EXACTLY!
Two more reasons to dump her NOW!"
I couldn't agree more. And I like your little frog, Tyke!
Yes, you do have some good points there. However, Feminist Leaders in NYC (over 100) made the same point back in 2/3/08 which John is making now.
"The group based their opposition to Clinton on 'her seven-year record as senator.' Despite her recent pledges to remove troops from Iraq, the group stated, Clinton's 'record of embracing military solutions and the foreign policy advisers she has selected make us doubt that she will end this calamitous war.'
The group supported Obama not only for his positions on the war and gender equality, but also because of 'the dramatic engagement of young people" with his campaign.' "
Here's the link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-wiener/femini...
I agree with your point that she didn't JUST torpedo the ad: she did it a long time ago, and on numerous occasions.
In case you are wondering who these people are, they include "longtime peace activist Cora Weiss; Katha Pollitt, columnist for The Nation; Pulitzer-prize winning New York Times writer Margo Jefferson; award-winning women's rights historians Alice Kessler Harris and Linda Gordon; Barbara Weinstein, president of the American Historical Association, and Ellen P. Chapnick, Dean for Social Justice Initiatives at Columbia Law School. Susan Sarandon and Francis Fox Piven."
I myself have been a student of political analyst Frances Fox Piven's work for over 25 years.