Here's the current Democratic answer to the pejorative: Democrat -as in "Democrat Party": it might be helpful for those on the outer fringes of the media to spread the name of the Republican ticket as the "Palin-McCain" ticket.
Use Sarah's "strength", expressed through a true gaffe, to pummel the bejesus out of both of them.
Keep saying it: It's the "Palin-McCain" ticket.
-- There is yet another layer of truth to this phrase that can really get unnerving for the Republicans: it's what many secretly want, and it will place them at odds with their own creation of the myth that they really want Johnny to be running the country.
-- But in a Rovian way, the name reversal also "splits the ticket" by sending waves of cognitive dissonance throughout the ranks of the Republican Party.
-- Anyone who is reading: if you like the idea, pass it around and get some feedback on the idea. If others like it, then keep pushing it.
davidkc
· 1 year ago
Could Hillary be any LESS enthusiastic about Obama?
JennieB
· 1 year ago
To be fair, the press made a pretty big deal over Edward's hair and expensive haircut, they ridiculed Gore for gaining weight and wearing a beard, and everyone has joked about Romney's good looks -- the press, the other candidates and the public. If Romney were female, he'd say that was sexist.
Also, I distinctly recall Hillary saying during stump speech how sometimes she's late because it takes her so much longer to get ready because she has to do her hair and makeup and the guys just get dressed go! If you don't want people commenting on your femininity, then don't talk about your femininity.
Just saying . . . .
kirkaracha
· 1 year ago
There was also Gore's package on the cover of Rolling Stone.
foolme1ns
· 1 year ago
I know someone else has to have suggested that someone remind Hillary about the questions about John Edwards hair style.
Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood)
· 1 year ago
Someone should remind you that she is talking about the current election.
Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood)
· 1 year ago
Proving what Hillary said, everyone entirely misses the point of what she meant, instead they focus on how she said it.
Obama would look hot in a red skin tight suit.
interlude
· 1 year ago
Dorothy you are so right...i think John misses the point when he brings a red pantsuit into it. on the other hand, Edwards haircut thing WAS this election cycle.
An_American_Karol
· 1 year ago
Get over it, Hillary. It was your vote to give Bush authority to wage war, not your damned pantsuits. Take some f**king responsibility.
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
agreed. and it was her morph into a Rovian operative for the GOP during her campaign, not her pantsuits.
An_American_Karol
· 1 year ago
She lost her base when someone who didn't vote to give Bush authorization ran against her. Had she come out and said her vote was a mistake she would never make again, she might have made it. But by avoiding responsibility, she was telling us she had no problem selling out the country for her own political gain.
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
OT- and sorry if this has been discussed already, but Paulson is telling the dems that the greedy CEOs should keep their millions with the bailout...spread it around and make it stop!
Off subject, but when are we going to hear stories about how the companies that were going to get bailed out screwed homeowners that were making payments, but were behind in their payments a bit, just so the companies could claim more bad debt? There will be horror stories coming out soon. it's not over by a long shot.
martha
· 1 year ago
It seems like decades ago I talked about how we had so many good dem candidates for pres,I could support anyone of them. It seems like years ago that I said (after everyone else dropped out) I could support Hillary or Obama, happily. But Hillary and Bill don't care what it is at stake. If Obama had lost he would be out there fighting for Hillary, not talking about how great Palin is. For the first time in my life I am really NOT proud of the Clintons.
An_American_Karol
· 1 year ago
martha, it's all about poor Hillary, to Hillary.
interlude
· 1 year ago
Hillary is not going to criticize Palin too much because she is planning her 2012 campaign.
I am really not sure what to make of Hilary's comments. She has been remarkably quiet where Palin is concerned, why? I read somewhere that Hilary did not want it to appear as a cat fight which makes no sense. Hilary was not shy about verbally attacking Obama during months of nomination campaigning so I know she has it in her to take on Palin.
I just find it odd, it is as if she is going through the motions of support without actually supporting. I cannot believe that Hilary thinks Palin is even close to her in experience, knowledge or political savvy and I would think Hilary would say so.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
I'm curious about this, too? Is the Obama - Biden campaign not using her as a big gun or has she chosen to remain quiet. Either way, its not good for our party. As a Democratic support, who gives my hard earned $$$s to them, I would like to know who is responsible for it. Both Hillary and Obama need to realize this really isn't about them. Its FAR, FAR bigger.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
I've been travelling all day from Dallas to Tulsa. After the huge economic crisis and Republicans PROVING they can't be trusted to run our economy this election SHOULD BE OVER! The media is still playing patty cakes with the Republicans and mistakenly trying to portray the clownish Palin - McSame campaign as some kind of alternative to MORE OF THE SAME. The media needs to totally start being neutral and stop trying so hard to play devil's advocate to keep the horse race alive. Their neutrality could start by being tougher on all the flailing about by McCain when the crisis hit. Also, the media needs to remind the American people Bu$hco. can't be trusted with $700,000,000,000.00 of our hard earned tax payer money with them tap dancing around stating we are going to get some kind of good return on our money! I think we heard that schlock when they lied us into war with Iraq. Remember the whole, "The war will pay for itself and its going to be a cake walk!" I don't think we can trust the Republicans with our money to do the right thing. EVER!
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
I've been dying to throw these questions and observations out here to my A-blog friends all day while travelling. I've been thinking... Republicans hate taxes. They think no one should pay taxes. Question? Where would the money come from they are using, without our permission, to bail out Bu$hco's friends and fight the war without taxes??? When are the politicians going to be forced to be honest with us and tell us without the taxes being used to bailout George Bush and Dick Cheney's buddies, our American dollar would be worth confetti? I don't want to pay more taxes, but Palin - McSame can't keep trashing Obama - Biden for saying the rich should pay taxes for patriotic raises. By God, it IS patriotic for them to give back a little! Palin - McSame should also be SLAMMED by the media for even questioning Biden's statement when Republicans have proven they can't be trusted to stear our economy without causing a crisis on a bigger order than the Great Depression. REPUBLICANS NEED TO JUST SIT DOWN AND STFU! Pissed? You betcha!
My God, we've talked about these shoes dropping for years, and now that they have and the stock market recovered a little bit, there are STILL stupid Republican's I'm listening to tonight who JUST DON'T GET IT! Our government has taken over our economy - we are socialists now! Those bitches need to just SHUT THE HELL UP about paying taxes. That is the very LEAST of our worries now. They better just pray this bailout works or their $5,000.00 savings is going to be worth $50.00.
interlude
· 1 year ago
they get angry if we tax their profits but expect tax money to cover their losses. i thought they believed in capitalism?! that is not capitalism. (it is not socialism, either, btw)
ezpz
· 1 year ago
Fascism?
ezpz
· 1 year ago
I agree with you. As always, this will hurt the middle class (what's left of it) and the poor, of which there will be more. The rich will get richer on the taxpayer's money,
Yes, it is those pesky evil taxes that are bailing out the giants.
And the GOP talking point about raising taxes being a 'job killer' - why does no one ask (and answer) the obvious question?:
How many jobs have been created from the huge bush tax cuts? What sectors? I'd like to see Tucker Bounds try that one.
The companies who benefited from the huge tax giveaways took the money, took our jobs, and ran offshore to better tax havens and slave labor in the name of greed.
RobertSanDimas
· 1 year ago
Logic is way beyond Repugs. They think the government makes its own money. Literally. Sickening, isn't it? Start a war. Go to Ft. Knox and get some gold, bingo!! There's more! Americans are just not deep thinkers, politically or economically.
scottinsf
· 1 year ago
Hillary just needs to go away. She obviously doesn't want to fight to win and is of no use at this point. She needs to take Bill with her.
Indigo
· 1 year ago
That's all she said? That was not an enthusiastic endorsement of Senator Obama by any definition. Did the Hillary-bots take that as permission to vote their pro-Hillary consciences by making their little mark in the other column?
mhulot
· 1 year ago
Well, I tended to skip Hillary-related gossip, but there's only one politician I know of who's been criticized for hairstyling choices in recent years, and that is John Edwards.
Hillary's got a point - of course she does - but everything about this statement seems clumsy and poorly articulated. It is, of course, true that appearance is much more important in press about women than it is for press about men. Women are routinely sexualized, even in supposedly serious journalism - with some women (Janet Reno, Hillary Clinton) being attacked and dismissed for their lack of perceived sexuality, and others (Palin, ALL of the candidates' wives from both parties during the primaries) being praised by sleazy pundits under the bizarre impression that the American people care about the sexual preferences of Washington journalists.
The double standard is obvious. Women not considered to be sufficiently attractive have a problem in politics that men don't have - can you imagine the sort of revolting bile that would be directed at female versions of Dick Cheney or Karl Rove? That said, appearance is becoming much more important for male politicians as well, although unattractiveness or obesity is much less of a liability for men. The double standard is most clear in terms of sexuality - John Kerry, John Edwards, Barack Obama, all rank high on People Magazine-type lists, but even when their attractiveness is brought up it's never in terms of sex. There's no discussion of anyone wanting to "wake up in bed" with Barack Obama (like whatever it was that commentator said about Sarah Palin the other day). I'd guess that the media and society are too scared of homosexuality and of female-identified sexuality to speak of male politicians in these terms.
Seriously, can you imagine what a sh*tstorm would be created by the media if it was Hillary that was cheating instead of Bill (I mean, even in comparison to the one we did have to endure), or if Nancy Pelosi or, I dunno, Condi Rice had a Giuliani-type series of marriages and affairs?
I really do think that this is largely a generational problem. Anyone under 35 or 40 has had a lifetime to get used to the idea of female, gay, black, latino, etc. as friends, coworkers, teachers and bosses. Even a twenty year-old who has somehow managed to still harbor extreme bigoted or misogynistic opinions has a degree of familiarity with women and minorities in positions of power that makes their frame of reference totally different from the elderly rich white men who seem to set the agenda in this country.
KISSman
· 1 year ago
I will never be on board with this 'we don't get the same treatment as men' crap. To buy into such a notion, you'd have to completely discard the fact that women and men are different.
It seems that some women equate 'fair treatment' to being talked about as if they are just another male candidate. The fact is that a woman isn't man. Women and men look different, talk different, dress different, generally have different interests, tastes, etc, etc, etc.
Saying that, I don't dispute that women candidates should ALWAYS be treated respectful and identically to men when it comes to political issues, intellect, knowledge, competence and all things that are not gender specific. But if you want to be treated exactly like a man, then wear a black suit & tie and not a bright-as-the-sun yellow pantsuit for starters.
The reality is, much like the Academy Awards red carpet, that everyone cares about how the women look and no one notices what the men where because men all basically dress alike and women invest A LOT more time and effort into fashion, looks, hair, makeup, etc. Women generally care a lot more about fashion, clothes, etc. and because they do, it gets noticed/scrutinized more.
And are people just supposed to ignore the fact that the one person on the stage is dressed completely different than the other 8 guys in black suits? If Hillary really wanted to try to blend in, she could have at least worn a black pant-suit to all the debates. But she wears colorful outfits and embraces her womanhood and good for her for doing so! But just don't damn people for noticing.
DAinLA
· 1 year ago
I guess she forgot about all the flack John Edward received for his hair cut.
ydthin
· 1 year ago
She was probably embarassed by how the SNL skit portrayed her. But tokenism is not change. An authoritarian misogynist with a uterus is not change. You don't have to be an old boy to be part of the old boy network.
All Comments
Here's the current Democratic answer to the pejorative: Democrat -as in "Democrat Party": it might be helpful for those on the outer fringes of the media to spread the name of the Republican ticket as the "Palin-McCain" ticket.
Use Sarah's "strength", expressed through a true gaffe, to pummel the bejesus out of both of them.
Keep saying it: It's the "Palin-McCain" ticket.
-- There is yet another layer of truth to this phrase that can really get unnerving for the Republicans: it's what many secretly want, and it will place them at odds with their own creation of the myth that they really want Johnny to be running the country.
-- But in a Rovian way, the name reversal also "splits the ticket" by sending waves of cognitive dissonance throughout the ranks of the Republican Party.
-- Anyone who is reading: if you like the idea, pass it around and get some feedback on the idea. If others like it, then keep pushing it.
Also, I distinctly recall Hillary saying during stump speech how sometimes she's late because it takes her so much longer to get ready because she has to do her hair and makeup and the guys just get dressed go! If you don't want people commenting on your femininity, then don't talk about your femininity.
Just saying . . . .
Obama would look hot in a red skin tight suit.
Take some f**king responsibility.
Had she come out and said her vote was a mistake she would never make again, she might have made it. But by avoiding responsibility, she was telling us she had no problem selling out the country for her own political gain.
http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/20/hank-paulson-...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqYMfV7tMO0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfWhAenwzcE
I just find it odd, it is as if she is going through the motions of support without actually supporting. I cannot believe that Hilary thinks Palin is even close to her in experience, knowledge or political savvy and I would think Hilary would say so.
My God, we've talked about these shoes dropping for years, and now that they have and the stock market recovered a little bit, there are STILL stupid Republican's I'm listening to tonight who JUST DON'T GET IT! Our government has taken over our economy - we are socialists now! Those bitches need to just SHUT THE HELL UP about paying taxes. That is the very LEAST of our worries now. They better just pray this bailout works or their $5,000.00 savings is going to be worth $50.00.
i thought they believed in capitalism?!
that is not capitalism. (it is not socialism, either, btw)
Yes, it is those pesky evil taxes that are bailing out the giants.
And the GOP talking point about raising taxes being a 'job killer' - why does no one ask (and answer) the obvious question?:
How many jobs have been created from the huge bush tax cuts?
What sectors? I'd like to see Tucker Bounds try that one.
The companies who benefited from the huge tax giveaways took the money, took our jobs, and ran offshore to better tax havens and slave labor in the name of greed.
Hillary's got a point - of course she does - but everything about this statement seems clumsy and poorly articulated. It is, of course, true that appearance is much more important in press about women than it is for press about men. Women are routinely sexualized, even in supposedly serious journalism - with some women (Janet Reno, Hillary Clinton) being attacked and dismissed for their lack of perceived sexuality, and others (Palin, ALL of the candidates' wives from both parties during the primaries) being praised by sleazy pundits under the bizarre impression that the American people care about the sexual preferences of Washington journalists.
The double standard is obvious. Women not considered to be sufficiently attractive have a problem in politics that men don't have - can you imagine the sort of revolting bile that would be directed at female versions of Dick Cheney or Karl Rove? That said, appearance is becoming much more important for male politicians as well, although unattractiveness or obesity is much less of a liability for men. The double standard is most clear in terms of sexuality - John Kerry, John Edwards, Barack Obama, all rank high on People Magazine-type lists, but even when their attractiveness is brought up it's never in terms of sex. There's no discussion of anyone wanting to "wake up in bed" with Barack Obama (like whatever it was that commentator said about Sarah Palin the other day). I'd guess that the media and society are too scared of homosexuality and of female-identified sexuality to speak of male politicians in these terms.
Seriously, can you imagine what a sh*tstorm would be created by the media if it was Hillary that was cheating instead of Bill (I mean, even in comparison to the one we did have to endure), or if Nancy Pelosi or, I dunno, Condi Rice had a Giuliani-type series of marriages and affairs?
I really do think that this is largely a generational problem. Anyone under 35 or 40 has had a lifetime to get used to the idea of female, gay, black, latino, etc. as friends, coworkers, teachers and bosses. Even a twenty year-old who has somehow managed to still harbor extreme bigoted or misogynistic opinions has a degree of familiarity with women and minorities in positions of power that makes their frame of reference totally different from the elderly rich white men who seem to set the agenda in this country.
It seems that some women equate 'fair treatment' to being talked about as if they are just another male candidate. The fact is that a woman isn't man. Women and men look different, talk different, dress different, generally have different interests, tastes, etc, etc, etc.
Saying that, I don't dispute that women candidates should ALWAYS be treated respectful and identically to men when it comes to political issues, intellect, knowledge, competence and all things that are not gender specific. But if you want to be treated exactly like a man, then wear a black suit & tie and not a bright-as-the-sun yellow pantsuit for starters.
The reality is, much like the Academy Awards red carpet, that everyone cares about how the women look and no one notices what the men where because men all basically dress alike and women invest A LOT more time and effort into fashion, looks, hair, makeup, etc. Women generally care a lot more about fashion, clothes, etc. and because they do, it gets noticed/scrutinized more.
And are people just supposed to ignore the fact that the one person on the stage is dressed completely different than the other 8 guys in black suits? If Hillary really wanted to try to blend in, she could have at least worn a black pant-suit to all the debates. But she wears colorful outfits and embraces her womanhood and good for her for doing so! But just don't damn people for noticing.