AMERICAblog: Hillary threat against Pelosi and DCCC backfiring on the Hill
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
How about U.S. Ambassador to Mozambique?
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
At least we're getting a good look at who she is.
tommccaslin
· 1 year ago
LOL, Hillary's support is totally collapsing. Her approval numbers are sinking down into Bush territory. Will she give up her egomaniacal fantasy? http://www.hillarythebitch.com/
drowsy
· 1 year ago
Dude, can you save your URL for those sites that care? Yeah, this site leans hard toward Obama, but not towards Coulter.
drowsy
· 1 year ago
This was for the tommccaslin comment, where it shows up on the page.
dad
· 1 year ago
I think Hillary needs a cigar.
dad
· 1 year ago
(sorry. just sick of her shit)
tbhull
· 1 year ago
The superdelegates need to put poor old Hillary out of her misery. Watching the embittered vain stupifyingly desperate Machiavellian suffer is sickening She is simply finished.
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
I am wondering just how much Hillary wants the office compared to HOW MUCH Bill Clinton wants to be back in the White House again, making an "end run" around the 22nd Amendment.
They may not share a cigar but they sure as hell want POWER and I fear they will do anything to achieve it, even if they ruin the Democratic Party, even losing us the House and Senate.
bumpkis
· 1 year ago
Walk away. You are beat.
HereinDC
· 1 year ago
The Democrats having 60 seats in January 2009 won't be enough. Hillary will be the Lieberman-like prick.
I know Bernie Sanders is on our side....but I just want to be sure that we have over 60. Another good reason to help Tom Allen in Maine win.
Howard Dean was right about the 50 state stragegy.
nicho
· 1 year ago
Hillary shoots self in foot -- stops to reload -- again.
jimfromthefoothills
· 1 year ago
Thank goodness for Howard Dean and the 50 state strategy. Today I contribute to act blue. HereinDC is right on, shrillary will fight for the neo-libs and neo-cons as long as she has a seat in congress. We need to unseat her next time around. time to put the clintons in our rear view mirror.
HereinDC
· 1 year ago
My compliments to Jake Tapper....
He's becoming the good investagative reporter David Shuster of ABC.
Good to see Jake Tapper have some real good post lately.
Thanks Jake.
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Mike_H
· 1 year ago
The Party should have stepped in sooner. I cannot believe that people as smart as the Clintons would have kept going this long if they weren't getting SOME behind-the-scenes support, or at least the SUGGESTION of support.
The problem is, spineless Democrats waffled and didn't make their support clear early, nor did they clearly step in when the campaign went overly negative. It's good to have a healthy debate, no one wants an "anointed" candidate, but Democrats don't know how to unify the way the Republicans do.
I still believe Hillary is better than her campaign, and it saddens me that she just isn't getting it. She has a lot still to offer the party, much good that she can do, but she seems blinded by the White House.
HereinDC
· 1 year ago
Ed Shultz said that McCain will BE SO EASY TO BEAT COME NOVEMBER...no wonder Hillary wants to keep going...
Well, TPM has damning proof of McCain yesterday plagiarizing his speech.
Hillary know s Mccain will be easy pickin's...that why she doesn't care if she harms Obama....she knows McCain will be the Bob Dole 1996 GOP candidate.
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Mike_H
· 1 year ago
Ugh, all due respect to Ed Shultz, but I don't believe that's automatically true. With the free ride the media will give McCain, and the ruthless way the GOP will attack Hillary on her husband or Obama on his lack of patriotism (via his wife's comments and Rev. Wright's), it's not going to be as easy as people are saying.
In fact, even though it looks like Obama will be the nominee, and I believe Obama would be a far better president than McCain, I don't believe Obama will win.
"A new civil war is threatening to explode in Iraq as American-backed Iraqi government forces fight Shia militiamen for control of Basra and parts of Baghdad."
zavlin
· 1 year ago
Hillary has completely ruined her image and eligibility as a canidate. This needs to be ended before it gets even crazier. If she wins In PA, it'l require party intervention to stop her hopeless madness from carrying into the convention.
Indigo
· 1 year ago
I worry that Hillary has the power to destroy the party. That idea (is it a fact?) brings up a nightmare scenario that has been haunting some people since Reagan swept into the White House. My fear is that the party has been moribund every since, that Bill Clinton did not revive the party but tapped into the mailing list to find his donors, the same donors Hillary is using to beat back what remnants of FDR's party there might be left in the hinterlands and parlors. If the party is so weak that Hillary can destroy it then it begins to be obvious that the Democratic Party should not be adopting a kitten, let alone buying green bananas. :-)
Mike_H
· 1 year ago
I think that's a bit extreme, like the Clintons are godzilla-type monsters and the Democratic party is Tokyo. That's not the case at all.
The Clintons are human beings who have done good and done some not-so-good. They stand for a lot of things that are worthwhile and they have, up until this point, shown serious political savvy. The last few months of the campaign, however, have not been showing any of them at their best.
Think about Hillary in the early months, and especially right around New Hampshire. She was confident, eloquent, accomplished, and had a mastery of policy that few of either party's candidates showed. She even managed a human moment or two, and had gone a long way toward winning over some fence-sitters.
Her husband's entry into the campaign as her attack-dog, and the resulting backlash, followed by Obama's ascendance, mark the turning point for her campaign. It threw them off their game, and while she's had some good moments since then, she's had more mistakes and mis-steps.
The people surrounding her aren't sending her the right messages. Generally speaking, she's smart and savvy enough to do the right thing, but I don't believe she's "getting it" about the current race. She's probably become almost as much of a "bubble girl" as Bush has been a "bubble boy", and that's never a good thing.
Still and all, when it's over, I do expect her to do the right thing and support the nominee and work to mend fences. Clearly she still has lots of support among democratic voters, and my guess is she can emerge from this travesty even stronger than ever before. And that will be a good thing for the party as well.
Indigo
· 1 year ago
Thanks for your feedback. I'm not as optimistic as you but I hope you're right.
-Indigo
scooter in brooklyn
· 1 year ago
we've survived 7 years of bush, we can stand another month of hillarys' last grasps.
PeteWa
· 1 year ago
Just go away Hillary. And stay away.
hector
· 1 year ago
March 27 (Bloomberg) -- On a freezing day in March 2007, Nassim Taleb walked into a conference room at Morgan Stanley's Manhattan offices on 47th Street and Broadway to address a group of the firm's risk managers. His message: Your models don't work. Using a whiteboard to scribble out his calculations, Taleb, now 48, began one of his rants, this time against stress tests -- Wall Street lingo for examining how a market rout will play out. Stress tests are inherently risky because they ignore rare but potentially devastating events, Taleb said.
``Past shortfall doesn't predict future shortfall,'' the options trader turned best-selling author recalls telling the assembled group of about 40. The risk managers, part of a tribe of mathematical model makers known in the finance world as quants, stared back at him blankly, and a debate ensued, according to people who were there. Only six months later, Morgan Stanley experienced its own rout. The world's second-biggest mergers adviser announced in December that it had written down its subprime-related holdings by $9.4 billion after the firm's traders misjudged how fast and far prices of the debt would fall. Their risk management had failed. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109...
firebrand
· 1 year ago
I don't know Scooter.... a month can be a VERY long time.....especially due to the fact that Hitlery is acting crazier by the day. . And Bubba ain't helping things.
Step down Clintons..... NOW!!!!
firebrand
· 1 year ago
Kind words Mike H.
But I think that the Hillzilla idea is most appropriate.
Mike_H
· 1 year ago
I know a lot of people do, but unfortunately I think that thinking is just as divisive as anything Clinton is accused of doing.
It may feel good in the moment of a rant, but ultimately isn't productive or helpful. People in one camp will agree with you without thinking, people in the other camp will dig in their heels without thinking, and in the end, it isn't even fair to Hillary.
Caricaturing your enemies is what the GOP does. Let's not do it to ourselves.
machadez
· 1 year ago
More proof of the blowback against the extortionists, from First Read:
From NBC's Mike Viqueira
A Democratic source in Washington provides the following letter from a major Democratic donor as evidence that yesterday's "shakedown" letter to Speaker Pelosi is having an effect antithetical to its intention.
Leslie Walker Burlock of San Francisco writes yesterday to Nancy Pelosi pledging the max $28,000 to the DCCC. The Dem source says Ms. Burlock wrote after learning of the letter from the group of heavy hitters, a move that Burlock disagreed with.
I spoke with Ms. Burlock by phone. She says that yes, she agrees with Nancy Pelosi's stance on superdelegates, and that yes, she is an Obama supporter. But she demurred when asked several different ways whether or not her pledge comes as a rebuttal to the letter from the others. She didn't deny it, however.
One of the unexpected dividends of this campaign, has been to learn that Hillary Clinton may actually have a mild personality disorder. Offending and alienating the exact persons from whom one seeks help and aid--via anger, attacks, lies, games, and manipulation--is one of the hallmarks of a personality disorder. I think she has the narcissistic variety. What's really intriguing about those types is that while they are self-absorbed, they ironically do not know themselves. I think it's too late for Hillary, the person, to develop self-reflection. She's pretty thoroughly lost at this point.
Anyway, regardless of the explanation one chooses, it's a no brainer that her Negatives would spike, and spike, and spike again after any period in which she was/is able to bring those numbers down.
She'll never be President. This mythology that the Clinton's always win is laughable.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
I need your vote, so I threaten you...
hmm, that sounds like a fear tactic right out of the rove playbook doesn't it?
gorewon
· 1 year ago
The Clintons need to stick a fork in it because they are finished. Hillary has already lost this race and cannot under any bizarre metric de jour the Clintons offer up win. It's over. Now they are clearly trying to f*ck up Barack so he will lose to Mc Cain and she can run again in 2012. I call BS on that. Barack has invoked massive turnout and can easily beat Old Man's ass in the GE. Pfffttt, a curse on the Clintons for their narcissism at the expense of the Democratic Party.
Rab
· 1 year ago
its a shame that her husband can't deal with her and tell its over. I keep thinking if we had a wise ex-president who held sway over this would step in and say enough.......Jimmy Carter wouldn't be enough....we need someone experienced with slaying demons.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
Rab 3 minutes ago
its a shame that her husband can't deal with her and tell its over. I keep thinking if we had a wise ex-president who held sway over this would step in and say enough.......Jimmy Carter wouldn't be enough....we need someone experienced with slaying demons. ---
on the other hand, can you blame Bill for not telling her to give up?
I mean, if you were married to hillary... don't you think you'd have to wear a steel jockstrap with a lock on it to prevent a Lorena Bobbit moment?
I wouldn't get in her way.
Rab
· 1 year ago
yeah, I wouldn't tell Hillary its over if I was married to her. But on the other hand, he could call her up from Cheney's underground bunker and tell her to give it up.
BatGuano
· 1 year ago
The desperation is so self-destructive that she might even lose ground in Pennsylvania.
I speculate, I hope.
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
The fat cats are out numbered by us. We need to flood the DNC and DCCC with donations, all in thanks to Pelosi not allowing a bunch of millionaire's to hijack our nomination process..
nsr
· 1 year ago
A threat from donors that can't keep HRC from going broke. That'll work.
humph
· 1 year ago
I immediately had the same thought as SarainKC: thousands of Obama donors should send a modest donation to the DCCC with a note saying 1) I support Obama, and 2) thank you Pelosi for having a backbone -- if a few big Clinton donors back out the small Obama donors will step in.
Sage24
· 1 year ago
Saw portions of her exclusive interview with Greta VanSus on Faux News. First she gives an interview with Schaife's outfit, now Faux. This woman is insane. She informs Greta that she is willing to go all the way to the convention, if necessary. She wants this so badly, she is willing to bring everyone in the Democratic party down, to get it. It was amusing to see her feigned outrage for the Florida and Michigan voters. The woman should have shown her outrage at the beginning, when all parties decided that these two states were not falling in to Democratic primary plans. She is disgustingly transparent now, that she is showing fake concern for these two states.
It is time Democrats took to the streets, and protested. According to most experts, she is done, and yet Pinnochio clings, claws, lies, whines, threatens,and we can now see the real Hillary. Not a great picture to look at. It makes many people more determined not to vote for this.
Hillary is a selfish woman, who only cares about herself.
Hillary's gangsterdom would make syphilitic Al Capone blush
dula
· 1 year ago
Hillary is behaving like a wild animal who chews off their foot to save their life. The fact that she never fought that hard for the American people tells me she desperately wants to be President for herself, not for the Nation.
Mike_H
· 1 year ago
Except there's a Rasmussen poll that suggests people don't want Clinton to drop out of the race, and that the same numbers of people want Obama to drop out as want Clinton to.
And if this is really about what the people want, and the people want Clinton to stay in the game, then why should a few insiders push her out?
Again, I think that what is happening here in this blog, and in other blogs, and in other insider circles, is FAR REMOVED from what the actual primary voters are thinking.
We need to stop thinking that our discussions are a mirror of what other voters are discussing. It's clearly not the case.
dula
· 1 year ago
Nice try Mike. If Hillary and Barack had equal support, he would not be leading by over 100 delegates. No, the people have already spoken.
All Comments
They may not share a cigar but they sure as hell want POWER and I fear they will do anything to achieve it, even if they ruin the Democratic Party, even losing us the House and Senate.
Hillary will be the Lieberman-like prick.
I know Bernie Sanders is on our side....but I just want to be sure that we have over 60.
Another good reason to help Tom Allen in Maine win.
Howard Dean was right about the 50 state stragegy.
He's becoming the good investagative reporter David Shuster of ABC.
Good to see Jake Tapper have some real good post lately.
Thanks Jake.
.
The problem is, spineless Democrats waffled and didn't make their support clear early, nor did they clearly step in when the campaign went overly negative. It's good to have a healthy debate, no one wants an "anointed" candidate, but Democrats don't know how to unify the way the Republicans do.
I still believe Hillary is better than her campaign, and it saddens me that she just isn't getting it. She has a lot still to offer the party, much good that she can do, but she seems blinded by the White House.
Well,
TPM has damning proof of McCain yesterday plagiarizing his speech.
Hillary know s Mccain will be easy pickin's...that why she doesn't care if she harms Obama....she knows McCain will be the Bob Dole 1996 GOP candidate.
.
In fact, even though it looks like Obama will be the nominee, and I believe Obama would be a far better president than McCain, I don't believe Obama will win.
Iraq implodes as Shia fights Shia
"A new civil war is threatening to explode in Iraq as American-backed Iraqi government forces fight Shia militiamen for control of Basra and parts of Baghdad."
My fear is that the party has been moribund every since, that Bill Clinton did not revive the party but tapped into the mailing list to find his donors, the same donors Hillary is using to beat back what remnants of FDR's party there might be left in the hinterlands and parlors.
If the party is so weak that Hillary can destroy it then it begins to be obvious that the Democratic Party should not be adopting a kitten, let alone buying green bananas. :-)
The Clintons are human beings who have done good and done some not-so-good. They stand for a lot of things that are worthwhile and they have, up until this point, shown serious political savvy. The last few months of the campaign, however, have not been showing any of them at their best.
Think about Hillary in the early months, and especially right around New Hampshire. She was confident, eloquent, accomplished, and had a mastery of policy that few of either party's candidates showed. She even managed a human moment or two, and had gone a long way toward winning over some fence-sitters.
Her husband's entry into the campaign as her attack-dog, and the resulting backlash, followed by Obama's ascendance, mark the turning point for her campaign. It threw them off their game, and while she's had some good moments since then, she's had more mistakes and mis-steps.
The people surrounding her aren't sending her the right messages. Generally speaking, she's smart and savvy enough to do the right thing, but I don't believe she's "getting it" about the current race. She's probably become almost as much of a "bubble girl" as Bush has been a "bubble boy", and that's never a good thing.
Still and all, when it's over, I do expect her to do the right thing and support the nominee and work to mend fences. Clearly she still has lots of support among democratic voters, and my guess is she can emerge from this travesty even stronger than ever before. And that will be a good thing for the party as well.
-Indigo
And stay away.
``Past shortfall doesn't predict future shortfall,'' the options trader turned best-selling author recalls telling the assembled group of about 40. The risk managers, part of a tribe of mathematical model makers known in the finance world as quants, stared back at him blankly, and a debate ensued, according to people who were there. Only six months later, Morgan Stanley experienced its own rout. The world's second-biggest mergers adviser announced in December that it had written down its subprime-related holdings by $9.4 billion after the firm's traders misjudged how fast and far prices of the debt would fall. Their risk management had failed.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109...
Step down Clintons..... NOW!!!!
But I think that the Hillzilla idea is most appropriate.
It may feel good in the moment of a rant, but ultimately isn't productive or helpful. People in one camp will agree with you without thinking, people in the other camp will dig in their heels without thinking, and in the end, it isn't even fair to Hillary.
Caricaturing your enemies is what the GOP does. Let's not do it to ourselves.
From NBC's Mike Viqueira
A Democratic source in Washington provides the following letter from a major Democratic donor as evidence that yesterday's "shakedown" letter to Speaker Pelosi is having an effect antithetical to its intention.
Leslie Walker Burlock of San Francisco writes yesterday to Nancy Pelosi pledging the max $28,000 to the DCCC. The Dem source says Ms. Burlock wrote after learning of the letter from the group of heavy hitters, a move that Burlock disagreed with.
I spoke with Ms. Burlock by phone. She says that yes, she agrees with Nancy Pelosi's stance on superdelegates, and that yes, she is an Obama supporter. But she demurred when asked several different ways whether or not her pledge comes as a rebuttal to the letter from the others. She didn't deny it, however.
for the rest, click here: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/...
Anyway, regardless of the explanation one chooses, it's a no brainer that her Negatives would spike, and spike, and spike again after any period in which she was/is able to bring those numbers down.
She'll never be President. This mythology that the Clinton's always win is laughable.
hmm, that sounds like a fear tactic right out of the rove playbook doesn't it?
its a shame that her husband can't deal with her and tell its over. I keep thinking if we had a wise ex-president who held sway over this would step in and say enough.......Jimmy Carter wouldn't be enough....we need someone experienced with slaying demons.
---
on the other hand, can you blame Bill for not telling her to give up?
I mean, if you were married to hillary... don't you think you'd have to wear a steel jockstrap with a lock on it to prevent a Lorena Bobbit moment?
I wouldn't get in her way.
I speculate, I hope.
First she gives an interview with Schaife's outfit, now Faux. This woman is insane. She informs Greta that she is willing to go all the way to the convention, if necessary. She wants this so badly, she is willing to bring everyone in the Democratic party down, to get it. It was amusing to see her feigned outrage for the Florida and Michigan voters. The woman should have shown her outrage at the beginning, when all parties decided that these two states were not falling in to Democratic primary plans. She is disgustingly transparent now, that she is showing fake concern for these two states.
It is time Democrats took to the streets, and protested. According to most experts, she is done, and yet Pinnochio clings, claws, lies, whines, threatens,and we can now see the real Hillary. Not a great picture to look at. It makes many people more determined not to vote for this.
Hillary is a selfish woman, who only cares about herself.
Check this PA info out
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/pr...
And if this is really about what the people want, and the people want Clinton to stay in the game, then why should a few insiders push her out?
Again, I think that what is happening here in this blog, and in other blogs, and in other insider circles, is FAR REMOVED from what the actual primary voters are thinking.
We need to stop thinking that our discussions are a mirror of what other voters are discussing. It's clearly not the case.