This fits right in with the Clinton racist/imperialist meme. Those are brown people, and they can be nuked any time to protect all the white jingoistic militarists in the US who need all the resources they can steal from those countries.
The real question is: Would she nuke a white country that was only suspected of having nuclear capabilities? You know the answer to that.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Hillary's foreign policy is straight from the Neocon Playbook.
grandma
· 1 year ago
Clinton's 'double-digit' win? Not exactly
Based on nearly complete returns, however, it doesn't appear that Clinton quite got there. According to the latest Associated Press tally, with less than one percent of precincts yet to be counted (50 of 9,218 precincts), Clinton is leading Obama by 54.7 percent to 45.3 percent. That works out to a winning margin of 9.4 percent.
The elections division of the Pennsylvania Secretary of State's office, which also has more than 99 percent of the districts in (9,177 of 9,253) gives Clinton 54.3 percent and Obama 45.8 percent, a Clinton advantage of 8.5 percent.
Either way, that's good, but not double-digits. (For the record, she won Ohio by 10.4 points.)
Now, parsing fractions of a percentage point in Pennsylvania is nothing compared to the debate over the popular vote tally, which is just getting under way and could easily run for another six weeks or more. Already this morning, Clinton is arguing that she has taken in total popular votes, a boast that isn't likely to pass the straight-face test among experienced Democratic politicians.
New Obama ad: show both Hillary quotes, and ask: "Which Hillary would answer the phone at 3AM?"
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
Sadly, in spite of the Obamas' bona fides about coming up the hard way--Obama being raised mostly by a single mother and getting food stamps, and Michelle's working class background, the Dem white working class is still voting for the Clintons. This shows a failure of the party to talk about class over the years, and how ALL working people suffer from economic policies that don't serve them.
This is the split the Clintons are exploiting. And it's racist and plays on the ever dimming hopes of the white working class who think they're going, at some point in their lives, to hop on the rich bandwagon no matter who they have to step on to get there. They pay no more attention in some respects to the phenomenon going on that is robbing them of a living--no different in a lot of respects than Rethug working class voters.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
For god's sake, someone anyone, throw Clinton's spin of "why can't he close the deal" right back in her face and ask her if she is the stronger candidate WHY CAN"T SHE CLOSE THE DEAL?
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
IS THIS TRUE? Clinton on Today show," more people have voted for me than anyone else in any primary." WTF?
grandma
· 1 year ago
acquarius2.
I don't think it matters to Hillary whether it's true or not.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
OH, Lauer just questioned her about that "more people have voted for me" quote. She is counting Florida and Michigan as her votes.
grandma
· 1 year ago
Joe Scarborough earlier implyng that Obama said people believe in God because they're bitter.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
So I guess white women, Catholics and people with a high school diploma or less are to be the ones to decide who our president is going to be. Last election cycle it was fundies. We are so screwed.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
a winning margin of 9.4 percent.
Typical of the fudging heard on the toob this morning...the close but not quite analysis. According to say anything morning punditry: --Obama failed to master "blue collar mumbling" due to that pesky elitism. --The ABC debate asked the real questions ordinary Americans wanted answered. --"Toughness" is proven by slinging mud and fear. So, I guess HRC could have really had an impact by chewing an alQaeda baby's head off while wearing a flag pig and mumbling buzzwords. Senator Obama does need to get harder-edged without performing a full Hillary. His heart should, in public, break a little over the humiliation Bill caused then and now and he should express the deep regret felt when Hillary's ego defeated health care reform in the 90s. He should wax rhapsodic over the exacerbated Clintonian divisions that lead to the failed 2000 election and the Bush disaster. He should marvel at HRC's new right wing associations. He should contrast Clintonian post-presidency earning power against other modern presidents. He should hint of the difficulties facing a female US leader with the male-dominated infertile crescent powers.
TheOriginalLiz
· 1 year ago
I agree with Busboy on this one. Hilary will get the nomination, which means we will have 4 more years of GOP rule, no matter which party wins.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Greensburg
If others won't say it, I will. That was downright rude to Grandma and totally uncalled for in making your point. If you are talking about Clinton's base the statistics just told us, white women, people with high school diploma or less, and Catholics. This is HER bas\e and NOT the core of the Democratic party. THE CORE has at this point still left Obama in the lead.
grandma
· 1 year ago
thanks acquairus2 :) well said.
TomJoad
· 1 year ago
You know...the use (in the tags below it) of "flip-flop" is unhelpful.
We don't need to turn into "where's your flag deeecal" moronic "flip-flopper" calling rethuglicans.
It pissed me off when they incorrectly used that moronic term on Kerry, and it is no better now. She seems to have changed her mind, she ought to be called on it, if there is no good reason she is a hypocrite, if there is she is still NOT a flip-flopper (they used this completely wrong on Kerry as well ) she has merely "flipped" on an issue...she hasn't flopped. Flip-flop would be 1) take a stand..say on the vietnam war, 2) after more information and soul searching change your view...and HERE is the crucial "flop" 3) go back to your original stance.
Flip-----flop. The first changing of a mind is the flip, the SETTING of the mind, the initial decision is not. I suspect Hillary did this more for scoring points, and it makes he dishonest, insincere, etc.
But to call her a flip-flopper is dishonest too, and to be honest it trivializes her dishonesty.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
it trivializes her dishonesty
Heaven forbid Hillary and paid media dishonesty be trivialized. The dishonesty of both should be put on separate lovely pedestals for all to garland with flowers...
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Hunter at dailykos has a truly remarkable post on Clinton and spin. It really says everything about the spin and about Clinton supporters.
Hunter's post at dailykos is excellent indeed aquarius2. Thanks for sharing it!!
sjblevins
· 1 year ago
Thanks for pointing this out. I was appalled at the 11th hour tactics of Hillary: that ridiculous ad with every disaster the US has ever faced, then the comment that the US could totally obliterate Iran.. If she's willing to resort to such trash for a few votes, what will she do when (as she loves to say) there really is heat in the kitchen?
jr
· 1 year ago
"you gotta live in the moment, baby! The past never happened and the future never will happen"-Hillary's life coach Mitt Romney
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
More irritating is that the negative attacks presented are, well, stupid, and seem increasingly to be predicated on the notion that voters, the press, the pundits, and we political hangers-on are all idiots seeking to cling to the most shallow of accusations.
aquarius2, thanks for the link...
grandma
· 1 year ago
Going nuclear
Clinton's extremely tough talk on Iran got a bit lost amid the political stories of the last days in Pennsylvania, but the Times editorial board -- which flirts with, as Drudge put it, unendorsing her -- gives her a special scolding for threatening to "obliterate" Iran.
Aravosis also notes that, even as two aides were denying that Clinton meant to refer to using nuclear weapons against Iran, Hillary made it totally clear: "[T]heir use of nuclear weapons against Israel would provoke a nuclear response from the United States."
This morning, NBC/NJ’s Carrie Dann reports, the North Carolina GOP will unveil a 30-second ad that attacks Democratic gubernatorial candidates Beverly Perdue and Richard Moore for their endorsements of Obama. The ad, per the party, will reference "controversial figures from Barack Obama's past" and raise the question of the candidates' "judgment" in supporting him. The ad will be unveiled at an 11:00 am press conference.
Or, rather, set aflame in the yard of a young black family...
Greensburg
· 1 year ago
LOL Stop shittin yourself grandma. Put a diaper on already. Obama won 7 counties out of 67....not an impressive showing at all. If there were any honesty left on this website, the problems Obama is facing would be discussed, not just the Hillary bashing. But lets not discuss why Obama is not picking up the core democrats, lets just keep up the meme of evil Hillary. LMAO.
Busboy
· 1 year ago
Just from experience in watching these things unfold; I'd bet that if Obama doesn't win the nomination on the first round at the convention that Hillary will be the nominee. The delegates are only pledged on the first vote and the Clinton machine is probably better in the bribery, promissory and arm twisting tactics which will be needed to win on the second or third vote. ...just sayin....
All Comments
Hillary Clinton saw her shadow in PA last night. Six more weeks of campaigning!
I thought that was funny.
Here is a good article by David Corn.
PENNSYLVANIA: Clinton is alive and kicking - and threatening to tear
the party apart.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/20...
http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/hr.asp?...
Sound Bend Tribune:
http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/hr.asp?...
Layfayette Journal and Courier
http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/hr.asp?...
Bloomington Herald-Times:
http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/hr.asp?...
Etcetera
http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/hr.asp?...
http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/hr.asp?...
The real question is: Would she nuke a white country that was only suspected of having nuclear capabilities? You know the answer to that.
Based on nearly complete returns, however, it doesn't appear that Clinton quite got there. According to the latest Associated Press tally, with less than one percent of precincts yet to be counted (50 of 9,218 precincts), Clinton is leading Obama by 54.7 percent to 45.3 percent. That works out to a winning margin of 9.4 percent.
The elections division of the Pennsylvania Secretary of State's office, which also has more than 99 percent of the districts in (9,177 of 9,253) gives Clinton 54.3 percent and Obama 45.8 percent, a Clinton advantage of 8.5 percent.
Either way, that's good, but not double-digits. (For the record, she won Ohio by 10.4 points.)
Now, parsing fractions of a percentage point in Pennsylvania is nothing compared to the debate over the popular vote tally, which is just getting under way and could easily run for another six weeks or more. Already this morning, Clinton is arguing that she has taken in total popular votes, a boast that isn't likely to pass the straight-face test among experienced Democratic politicians.
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog...
This is the split the Clintons are exploiting. And it's racist and plays on the ever dimming hopes of the white working class who think they're going, at some point in their lives, to hop on the rich bandwagon no matter who they have to step on to get there. They pay no more attention in some respects to the phenomenon going on that is robbing them of a living--no different in a lot of respects than Rethug working class voters.
I don't think it matters to Hillary whether it's true or not.
Typical of the fudging heard on the toob this morning...the close but not quite analysis.
According to say anything morning punditry:
--Obama failed to master "blue collar mumbling" due to that pesky elitism.
--The ABC debate asked the real questions ordinary Americans wanted answered.
--"Toughness" is proven by slinging mud and fear.
So, I guess HRC could have really had an impact by chewing an alQaeda baby's head off while wearing a flag pig and mumbling buzzwords.
Senator Obama does need to get harder-edged without performing a full Hillary. His heart should, in public, break a little over the humiliation Bill caused then and now and he should express the deep regret felt when Hillary's ego defeated health care reform in the 90s. He should wax rhapsodic over the exacerbated Clintonian divisions that lead to the failed 2000 election and the Bush disaster. He should marvel at HRC's new right wing associations. He should contrast Clintonian post-presidency earning power against other modern presidents. He should hint of the difficulties facing a female US leader with the male-dominated infertile crescent powers.
If others won't say it, I will. That was downright rude to Grandma and totally uncalled for in making your point. If you are talking about Clinton's base the statistics just told us, white women, people with high school diploma or less, and Catholics. This is HER bas\e and NOT the core of the Democratic party. THE CORE has at this point still left Obama in the lead.
well said.
We don't need to turn into "where's your flag deeecal" moronic "flip-flopper" calling rethuglicans.
It pissed me off when they incorrectly used that moronic term on Kerry, and it is no better now. She seems to have changed her mind, she ought to be called on it, if there is no good reason she is a hypocrite, if there is she is still NOT a flip-flopper (they used this completely wrong on Kerry as well ) she has merely "flipped" on an issue...she hasn't flopped. Flip-flop would be 1) take a stand..say on the vietnam war, 2) after more information and soul searching change your view...and HERE is the crucial "flop" 3) go back to your original stance.
Flip-----flop. The first changing of a mind is the flip, the SETTING of the mind, the initial decision is not. I suspect Hillary did this more for scoring points, and it makes he dishonest, insincere, etc.
But to call her a flip-flopper is dishonest too, and to be honest it trivializes her dishonesty.
Heaven forbid Hillary and paid media dishonesty be trivialized. The dishonesty of both should be put on separate lovely pedestals for all to garland with flowers...
http://www.dailykos.com/
aquarius2, thanks for the link...
Clinton's extremely tough talk on Iran got a bit lost amid the political stories of the last days in Pennsylvania, but the Times editorial board -- which flirts with, as Drudge put it, unendorsing her -- gives her a special scolding for threatening to "obliterate" Iran.
Aravosis also notes that, even as two aides were denying that Clinton meant to refer to using nuclear weapons against Iran, Hillary made it totally clear: "[T]heir use of nuclear weapons against Israel would provoke a nuclear response from the United States."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Goi...
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/
Or, rather, set aflame in the yard of a young black family...