Her plausible scenario would be a coup by SuperDelegates. If they haven't committed by now, presumably they are looking for a reason to support Clinton, since holding out only helps her.
Indigo
· 1 year ago
It's going to be alright.
firebrand
· 1 year ago
We' ll see about the Clinton win. If she does it will not be impressiive.
The contest is very close....despite the Polls and Pundits
constantcomment
· 1 year ago
obama the loser????
Belinda
· 1 year ago
What's important is that we control the media talking points. Billary and her Hillbots will try to portray tomorrow as a victory for her slimy tactics. The MSM better report truthfully that it will be a *devastating* loss for her. Obama was expected to lose by over 20 percentage points, so anything less is a tremendous victory for him. No doubt Hillary and Slick Willie will be proclaiming they won, but the truth is in the numbers and that is one thing Hillary and her gang can't lie about.
sittenpretty
· 1 year ago
I now detest the woman ,her husband,her kid,her advisers...all things Clinton...she has no grace,and has made this campaign the big ugly
Belinda
· 1 year ago
Sittenpretty, I wholeheartedly agree. Chelsea is especially revolting, trying to pander to homosexual groups despite her mother and father rushing through the discriminatory DADT policy and the horrific DOMA legislation. It seems every member of the Clintonista family thrives on lies and mistruths. Check it out: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/...
Sage24
· 1 year ago
Why is Hillary going to be on many of the networks, and Obama only on Jon Stewart? Obama should have had many appearances the day before the elections.
Unfortunately, almost everyone predicts Hillary the Shrew, will win PA. After two horrible Presidential elections, the last one a real disappointment, because we expected Bush to lose, after sending our troops to an unnecessary war, it is beginning to look like in the US, the good guy always loses, the election. Hillary has, from the beginning, turned unexpectedly nasty, and incredibly republican-like in her tactics and gutter politics. I am surprised that her supporters cannot see that. All this talk about her baggage already been rummaged, is BS. What is she implying? Is she trying to fool her supporters into thinking ONLY Obama will get attacked by the swiftboaters? Well, she has bloodied him, just like Limbaugh wanted her to. Hillary has done the republicans dirty work beautifully. She is such a good republican.
houstonray
· 1 year ago
kclark wrote: "My worry is that Hillary "knows" something like an asteroid is going to happen to Obama before the convention."
I've often thought the same thing. What can she POSSIBLY be dragging this out for? It worries me she has something or knows something or will make something up, sort of an "October Surprise" that she will use as a "July/August Suprise" to "PROVE" to the Super's that she's the better choice. It just makes me nervous. I would not put anything past the Clintons....I think they could have used the kitchen sink analogy to make it seem they had thrown everything they can, but in reality they have something else they are holding back.
ZennButtKicker (tlhwraith)
· 1 year ago
houstonray,
Believe me, if she had a big secret, she would be employing it by now. Even she knows that the longer this goes on, the less likely she'll be able to even get the SuperDelegates to cheat for her. She needed to win TX and OH big to have any real chance, and now she needs to win PA REALLY BIG just to avoid people with hooks coming out and forcibly removing her from the stage. If she had a "nuclear option", she would have pressed the button by now. Waiting until after the last primary, especially if Obama is ahead in all the metrics, is just not a very good move on any level.
No, if the good Rev. Wright didn't take Obama down, and Rezko looks like more hype than harm, there just doesn't seem to be much left that can kill the Obamanator.
goodbyetoallthat
· 1 year ago
For an in-depth analysis of the two Dem candidates and how they differ, check out the article in the April 17th issue of The New York Review of Books entitled "Molehill Politics" by Elizabeth Drew. It's online; a good read, indeed.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Obama's people will rightfully respond that if they suck, then she must really suck, since she's still losing to him.
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LOL!
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
I've often thought the same thing. What can she POSSIBLY be dragging this out for? It worries me she has something or knows something or will make something up, sort of an "October Surprise" that she will use as a "July/August Suprise" to "PROVE" to the Super's that she's the better choice. It just makes me nervous. I would not put anything past the Clintons....I think they could have used the kitchen sink analogy to make it seem they had thrown everything they can, but in reality they have something else they are holding back.
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Ahh.
If she had that kind of info, she'd have used it by now.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
I still feel the drama (now sort of a slo-mo Dynasty mud wrestle) and the media fixation is simply sustaining the vast world and national audience. The media reductio ad absurdum parsing of "beer drinkers and gun owners", while insulting to the more cable urbanized (even gay) hipness infesting rural Pennsylvania, intentionally or not, ignores Michelle Obama's efforts on the campaign trail among the ordinary people across the state. Given the attention directed toward Chelsea and old Bill, I find the absence of Mrs. Obama's Marshall McLuhan-esque hot and coolness curious and, obviously, an element not factored into out-of-sight-out-of-mind pundit thinking.
Jim Olson
· 1 year ago
Hillary "I'll concede when they pry the nomination out of my cold, dead hands" Clinton might win tomorrow, but every day this drags on is another day John "I don't know the difference between Sunni and Shia and I don't care" McCain gets a free pass.
GrahamCrackerDC
· 1 year ago
"under what possible scenario she wrenches the nomination away from Obama"
Quite simple.
She gets close in overall delegate count. She gets closer with Florida and Michigan seated as they voted. She convinces SDs that Obama (unknown, super-liberal, Muslim-connections, etc, etc) is vulnerable to Republcan attack.
ZennButtKicker (tlhwraith)
· 1 year ago
GrahamCracker DC wrote:
"under what possible scenario she wrenches the nomination away from Obama"
Quite simple.
She gets close in overall delegate count. She gets closer with Florida and Michigan seated as they voted. She convinces SDs that Obama (unknown, super-liberal, Muslim-connections, etc, etc) is vulnerable to Republcan attack.
Not to be the one to beat a dead horse, but let's take each bullet one-by-one:
* for her to get close in the delegate count, she has to overwhelmingly beat Obama in EVERY single remaining contest. Aside from the fact that it looks like her best bet for a big delegate purse, PA, will probably not be nearly enough, anyone but a fool pretty much knows Obama has the last fairly large delegate state left after PA, NC, on lockdown. In other words, proportional delegates combined with their just not being enough votes left means her chances to get close in the delegate count are nill
* the last hope of FL and MI. Let's be clear, no way in Gods green earth is MI being seated as is, for no other reason because no one but clinton thinks its a reasonable idea. Not even the MI legislature is pushing for the votes to be counted as is, that would be the political equivalent of suppaku for all parties involved. You can put whatever spin you want on it, but Obamas name was not even on the ballot, primarily because he and the other candidates followed through on a deal made with the DNC.
That being said, even if FL was seated as is, she is still way out of the ballpark in terms of delegate counts. The reality is, if I had good money to spend, I don't even see FL being seated before convention in its current form.
* Convincing the SDs that Obama is vulnerable. Do you really think that is going to happen if it hasn't by now? What can she possibly say that hasn't already been said about the guy? The problem she faces is that all of the tactics have been talked about for months, and given the fact they are dead even with SD committments, it's obvious that plan is more fairy-tale than a solid strategy. I believe at this point over 60% of the SDs have already committed to one candidate or another. I suppose in some bizarro world where the other 40% or so ALL went for Clinton she could win, but given the current split, and all the advantages Obama has, is that even close to being realistic?
Not
houstonray
· 1 year ago
I just hope you all are right about there not being anything else they can use. I just wonder who is telling her they have a chance? The only chance she possibly has is for something to pop up that shows he's absolutely unelectable. There is, as was shown below, statistically zero chance, for her to possibly win from here here on out. Her only hope can come from the supers but I just worry that team Clinton will throw one last part of the kitchen in the final weeks, saving their 'big one' for then. Would she have used it by now? Or would they let her run, get more face time, look like the underdog, play the victim of the big bad media, get sympathy from everyone of how 'gosh darn it was so her turn and she would have been so good, and the BOOM!, when it looks like it's over for her totally, SURPRISE! I so wouldn't put it past them.
I hope I'm wrong of course and I'll be more than happy to be wrong in this case!!
I'm just hoping for tomorrow to be really really close and that the media reports it as more of a failure and not THE victory they've been predicting.
LunaStick
· 1 year ago
houstonray, I believe hilllary is still in the race because of denial. She fully expected to be crowned the next president and just can't face the reality that she isn't going to be. Those around her either don't have the will to spell it out for her or are suffering from the same denail she is. Now this is NOT invoking Godwin's Law but I am reminded of the last days of Hitler saying there was going to be a some imaginary army equiped with imaginary secret weopons that was going to turn the tide of war. I think hillary is believing something similar. That there is something out there that's going to save her candidacy. There isn't.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
goodbyetoallthat, thanks for the googible info on the Drew article...the old girl can still wring an original news nugget out of a well-squeezed turnip. I particularly liked: the Clinton camp is... adept at what might be called molehill politics: making a very big deal in the press about something that's a very small deal...Clinton's approach resembles her tactics in the White House, in which her inclination was to attack...Clinton's frequent switching of tactics and personas raises the question of who she is and why she's so changeable...
What's wrong with Pennsylvannians? Could they be that dumb?
firebrand
· 1 year ago
Smarmy, my friend:.Pennsylvanians are no dumber than folks in NY , NJ, New Hampshire, California etc etc.
Trust me...lots of us want Obama to win here.
jr
· 1 year ago
"I can win the big states!"-Hillary to Drudgey poo
houstonray
· 1 year ago
Ironically, I just watched our local news (a CBS affiliate) and they just reported on "Campaign 08" and the anchor said that "while Hillary is expected to win tomorrow, her once 21 point lead has been reduced to single digits and experts agree that she needs a huge win tomorrow to justify staying in the race". Wow, I about fell off my couch. I hope they STICK to that talking point come tomorrow night as they gush about the results.
BTW, lol about the Hitler bunker comment, so true, sad, but true...
constantcomment
· 1 year ago
so, if barack can't convince the good people of PA that he is a better choice than ms. rodham, what does that say about all the banter of "get out you bitch and stop destroying the party", really mean??? seems to me that the democrats think that both hillary and barack are fine candidates. but then again feingold is a better "man" than either on them.
Busboy
· 1 year ago
The Sean Hannity "curse" apparently didn't work; as Hillary has not unloaded a ton of dirt on Obama right before the PA election. Also, Obama reneged on his previous statement that Jeremiah Wright was his mentor. He's on tape pulling a Hillary; so he needs to get back on his game.
All Comments
I'd be leery of any psychic media...or is that psychotic media???
Obama didn't say he'd lose, this morning on Pittsburgh radio, he said, "I'm not predicting a win. I'm predicting it's going to be close and that we are going to do a lot better than people expect."
Media like Todd who drop their regular pretense of impartiality at key moments, such as the emergency rush to ABC's post debate defense, will trumpet Hillary no matter her percentage if leading Obama tomorrow evening.
Tomorrow might just show more of a rejection of market-sampled elitist media values and the candidate those values seem to best typify.
The contest is very close....despite the Polls and Pundits
Unfortunately, almost everyone predicts Hillary the Shrew, will win PA.
After two horrible Presidential elections, the last one a real disappointment,
because we expected Bush to lose, after sending our troops to an unnecessary war, it is beginning to look like in the US, the good guy always loses, the election. Hillary has, from the beginning, turned unexpectedly nasty, and incredibly republican-like in her tactics and gutter politics.
I am surprised that her supporters cannot see that. All this talk about
her baggage already been rummaged, is BS. What is she implying?
Is she trying to fool her supporters into thinking ONLY Obama will get
attacked by the swiftboaters? Well, she has bloodied him, just like Limbaugh wanted her to. Hillary has done the republicans dirty work
beautifully. She is such a good republican.
I've often thought the same thing. What can she POSSIBLY be dragging this out for? It worries me she has something or knows something or will make something up, sort of an "October Surprise" that she will use as a "July/August Suprise" to "PROVE" to the Super's that she's the better choice. It just makes me nervous. I would not put anything past the Clintons....I think they could have used the kitchen sink analogy to make it seem they had thrown everything they can, but in reality they have something else they are holding back.
Believe me, if she had a big secret, she would be employing it by now. Even she knows that the longer this goes on, the less likely she'll be able to even get the SuperDelegates to cheat for her. She needed to win TX and OH big to have any real chance, and now she needs to win PA REALLY BIG just to avoid people with hooks coming out and forcibly removing her from the stage. If she had a "nuclear option", she would have pressed the button by now. Waiting until after the last primary, especially if Obama is ahead in all the metrics, is just not a very good move on any level.
No, if the good Rev. Wright didn't take Obama down, and Rezko looks like more hype than harm, there just doesn't seem to be much left that can kill the Obamanator.
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LOL!
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Ahh.
If she had that kind of info, she'd have used it by now.
The media reductio ad absurdum parsing of "beer drinkers and gun owners", while insulting to the more cable urbanized (even gay) hipness infesting rural Pennsylvania, intentionally or not, ignores Michelle Obama's efforts on the campaign trail among the ordinary people across the state.
Given the attention directed toward Chelsea and old Bill, I find the absence of Mrs. Obama's Marshall McLuhan-esque hot and coolness curious and, obviously, an element not factored into out-of-sight-out-of-mind pundit thinking.
Quite simple.
She gets close in overall delegate count.
She gets closer with Florida and Michigan seated as they voted.
She convinces SDs that Obama (unknown, super-liberal, Muslim-connections, etc, etc) is vulnerable to Republcan attack.
"under what possible scenario she wrenches the nomination away from Obama"
Quite simple.
She gets close in overall delegate count.
She gets closer with Florida and Michigan seated as they voted.
She convinces SDs that Obama (unknown, super-liberal, Muslim-connections, etc, etc) is vulnerable to Republcan attack.
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Not to be the one to beat a dead horse, but let's take each bullet one-by-one:
* for her to get close in the delegate count, she has to overwhelmingly beat Obama in EVERY single remaining contest. Aside from the fact that it looks like her best bet for a big delegate purse, PA, will probably not be nearly enough, anyone but a fool pretty much knows Obama has the last fairly large delegate state left after PA, NC, on lockdown. In other words, proportional delegates combined with their just not being enough votes left means her chances to get close in the delegate count are nill
* the last hope of FL and MI. Let's be clear, no way in Gods green earth is MI being seated as is, for no other reason because no one but clinton thinks its a reasonable idea. Not even the MI legislature is pushing for the votes to be counted as is, that would be the political equivalent of suppaku for all parties involved. You can put whatever spin you want on it, but Obamas name was not even on the ballot, primarily because he and the other candidates followed through on a deal made with the DNC.
That being said, even if FL was seated as is, she is still way out of the ballpark in terms of delegate counts. The reality is, if I had good money to spend, I don't even see FL being seated before convention in its current form.
* Convincing the SDs that Obama is vulnerable. Do you really think that is going to happen if it hasn't by now? What can she possibly say that hasn't already been said about the guy? The problem she faces is that all of the tactics have been talked about for months, and given the fact they are dead even with SD committments, it's obvious that plan is more fairy-tale than a solid strategy. I believe at this point over 60% of the SDs have already committed to one candidate or another. I suppose in some bizarro world where the other 40% or so ALL went for Clinton she could win, but given the current split, and all the advantages Obama has, is that even close to being realistic?
Not
I hope I'm wrong of course and I'll be more than happy to be wrong in this case!!
I'm just hoping for tomorrow to be really really close and that the media reports it as more of a failure and not THE victory they've been predicting.
I particularly liked:
the Clinton camp is... adept at what might be called molehill politics: making a very big deal in the press about something that's a very small deal...Clinton's approach resembles her tactics in the White House, in which her inclination was to attack...Clinton's frequent switching of tactics and personas raises the question of who she is and why she's so changeable...
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21231
Trust me...lots of us want Obama to win here.
BTW, lol about the Hitler bunker comment, so true, sad, but true...