DISQUS

Mike_H · 1 year ago

The link is to an op/ed piece, someone's opinion of what they think Hillary Clinton might be thinking. It proves nothing, and is very disappointing. We have no idea how far Clinton will take this or what she is thinking.

And why isn't rabid anti-Hillary commentary just as much "splitting the party" and pushing to get "an all-out war"? The vast majority of voters in Democratic primaries are from outside the blogosphere, and opinions on Clinton versus Obama are still pretty evenly split.

Demonizing Clinton, suggesting someone can read her mind about her "evil" intentions, is hardly a way to unify voters around Obama or to drum up support for Obama.

Earlier, this blog came out against people who would actively try to make Obama lose the general election if Clinton didn't get the nomination. I'd suggest that the reverse is equally childish and unproductive.

Bridges are being burned left and right -- or on both sides of the left, I should say -- and everyone seems to be holding a torch.

Nigel Elliott · 1 year ago

McCain will survive only one term. Hillary wants to try again in 2012 for the Olympics, err, presidency. ;-)

houstonray · 1 year ago

They will apparently do anything and destroy everything in their quest for a "3rd term". How sad. I've always said that I would vote for whichever person was the nominee in November, but if Hillary goes through with this and heaven forbid steals it away, as God is my witness I will go in to the ballot booth and push the "McCain" button in November.

mush57 · 1 year ago

That's the problem with Obamistas You are not really Democrats. I know that whoever gets the Nomination I Will NEVER vote Republican in November. ( I just know that my Father, Rest his soul, would find a way to smite me if I voted for a Republican. I really think that Hillary is the better candidate. Does that make me somehow an evil person? Obama says that he wants to run a Positive campaign. But the Obaministas show no such allegience to the positive. Remember, She is not the devil and he is a politician.

blackwolf · 1 year ago

You really haven't paying attention to the debates or Hillary's madness on the campaign trail. How can you rationalize a person that fabricates a lie at will?
How can you back a politician that ranks the Rebublican opponent over the Democratic contender? How can you assume she's the better candidate when her husband is in bed with the very same special interest groups she says she condems? How can you back an opponent that admits her campaign is about throwing the "kitchen sink" at the opponent?

What, is he just supposed to sit back and slurp on a "Mint Julep" while she plots to destroy his character in front of the world?

tlsintx · 1 year ago

i'm tired of talking about Hillary...just let her knock herself out....she's going bankrupt as it is.

let's talk about McPanderama and Pastor Hagee some more...
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/23/hagee-katri...

Viceroy · 1 year ago

If you are right, the Democrats have no chance at all.

houstonray · 1 year ago

Donna Brazille said there are many members close to Clinton who want to take this all the way to the floor of the convention and that makes her nervous. I hope they don't, I hope it's over in June, maybe May, but I'm just saying "if" it happens, I just don't think there is any way I could vote for her.

Chris From Maine · 1 year ago

of course she wont.. she wants to elect John McCain.

Nigel Elliott · 1 year ago

Hillary's boomerang: it knocked Obama down, but it knocked her out cold!

aquarius2 · 1 year ago

I love Maureen Dowd. She characterizes Clinton's tactics as "Attack of the 50 foot Woman".

Soundboy_jeff_meanie · 1 year ago

"And if she thinks the party is going to unite around her after she steals the election, then she hasn't spent a lot of time reading blogs or following the grassroots."

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John, hillary doesn't want support... she wants mccain to win.

she's hoping that after four years, the American public will have forgotten the dirty tricks she used to get the nomination... and they'd vote for her.

she's gotta know that she can't win against mccain.

aquarius2 · 1 year ago

Mike H

Clinton has said in the past she IS going to go all the way to Denver. I believe her, she won't quit.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

John,
I am afraid that Hillary doesn't care about the Party, about her voters or about what happens to Obama; she only cares about destroying Obama's chances at becoming President if it can't be hers.

She will take down the Party this year and why the so called leaders of that party can't or won't see it is the biggest question of all.

In a year where the Democrat's couldn't lose, I just knew they would find a way to screw it up.

Kansaskitty · 1 year ago

The Democrats may have to arrange a big send off for her in August, and claim it is an all expense paid trip to the convention on a private chartered airplane but it somehow mistakenly wanders off course and ends up in the Fiju Islands stranded for days on end. That would work!

Bwahahaha!

Nigel Elliott · 1 year ago

However's the nominee, this election is going to be the sleaziest in human history. Nevermind Obama's "anti-American" problems, the GOP will dredge up every lie the Clintons ever told into a montage of deception that no one want to relive. McCain has huge issues, but the Democrats never fight them like they do their own.

aquarius2 · 1 year ago

I believe Clinton wants the to win at all costs. She is so blinded by her ambition she has not the faintest clue what it is doing to the Democratic party. I also believe her when she says she knows Republicans, after all look at George Bush, he was elected twice despite his lying ass, she thinks she can get away with the same thing.

Nigel Elliott · 1 year ago

Like the GOP, Hillary is childishly taunting him. She wants Obama to come play in the pig pin with her. Who knew Hillary was a masochist...but that definitely explains the marriage! LOL

If he does not have the gumption to put me in my place, when superdelegates are deserting me, money is drying up, he’s outspending me 2-to-1 on TV ads, my husband’s going crackers and party leaders are sick of me, how can he be trusted to totally obliterate Iran and stop Osama?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/opinion/23dow...

tbhull · 1 year ago

This is politics and old worn out saddle bags die hard.

Coming Undone · 1 year ago

Bill Clinton almost manged to destroy the party now Hillary is about to complete what he did not, total destruction of the Democratic party.

tbhull · 1 year ago

Clinton wants the VP slot, whether it be beside Obama or McCain.

Daniel73 · 1 year ago

Gee John you guys are so powerful, maybe you can get President Kerrey to lead your civil war. Isn't that the last person you got elected. Or maybe you should just pick up your candidate and your marbles and go home and cry to your mama. This is called politics if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

kevinbgoode · 1 year ago

No, Daniel73 - it's called attempting to steal the nomination, knowing that she will lose the general election. No party in its right mind would nominate a candidate with such high negativity numbers that a majority of the general public will not vote for her.

Nigel Elliott · 1 year ago

Scott Kleeb: Take a deep breath, my friend. Lay down your presidential angst. Step away from your Pennsylvania. Come spend a moment with me under the endless spring sky in Nebraska, where people still live "The Good Life."

You can feel the excitement in the air. All across the state, from Scottsbluff to Omaha, folks are coming together to support our campaign for change.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/23/155...

blackwolf · 1 year ago

Sounds like a wonderful place to be. It's good to know that's the atmosphere out in Nebraska.

celticbuddha · 1 year ago

I have preached conciliation for a long time here, when the sides would be lambasting each other. I have tried to take a dispassionate and impartial eye at the whole primary process as both candidates agree about 99% on their policies. So it finally came down to personality and The machinations that HRC has pulled its obvious that her candidacy is about her self interest and aggrandizement. I don't need another term of the bullshit that this country has been going through for at least 8 years. As the primary continued I became more and more disheartened and disenchanted with HRC to the point where I would not vote for her in the general election. I would not vote at all.

bretai · 1 year ago

Hear, HEAR!

Nigel Elliott · 1 year ago

Evan Bayh Defends Clinton's Iran Talk,
Sen. Evan Bayh, Hillary Clinton's chief surrogate in the state of Indiana, defended a pledge made by the New York Democrat to "obliterate" Iran should the country launch a nuclear attack the state of Israel. Though he acknowledged, without provocation, that Clinton's remarks illustrated the dangers of responding to hypothetical questions.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/23/evan-b...

Deacon_Blues · 1 year ago

I've said it before, I'll say it again. I've been a Democrat for over 30 years. I was a volunteer for Al Gore Senior's campaign. If Clinton steals this nomination from Obama, I won't vote in November, and I will no longer be a Democrat.

BorninUSA · 1 year ago

Willie is positively pushing Hillary into the abyss of dirty politics. She had so much going for her before she started letting Willie do her talking and now she is in so deep she has no choice but to keep digging. She should have dumped Willie a long time ago. Apprently she thought he could help her campaign. How wrong she was. He had his own agenda and to hell with Hillary. He only wants to win his "rightful" place back in the White House.

shanobama · 1 year ago

And she has Bill whispering in her ear every night..."Go for it, Hillary, I love the Oval office more than the Democratic party."

shell · 1 year ago

No, you can't impeach a nominee, but we CAN get the party "elders" off their asses and do something.

Al Gore! John Kerry! Howard Dean! There are many who could take that skank by the paw and shut her down.

They have to do it.

Hopefully, they will, once the primary season is over in every state (early June).

But even that may be too late.

Hillary isn't a toughest, most powerful Democrat in the country. Wimps shouldstop thinking she is.

shell · 1 year ago

And remember -- the nut never falls far from the tree (in not-very-bright people anyway).

BILL Clinton was ALWAYS a Democrat. A southern/DLC Democrat, for sure -- but he never changed.

Hillary was a GOPer. Her strong daddy was, she was in college (and after?). I doubt she has ever changed.

dad · 1 year ago

The takeaway? Northern Sky puts it best; Clinton now needs to win 71% of the remaining pledged delegates to catch up to Obama - a number that increased after last night's results.

Coming Undone · 1 year ago

If the Democratic leaders are this afraid of the Clinton's in the primary imagine if she was president, then we would have another president with unchecked powers. Would the Democrats in congress rubber stamp everything she did just like the Republicans did with Bush?

agave · 1 year ago

Yeah, what Mike_H said.

Why has this campaign seem to have made some take leave of thier senses?
Get a grip!


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dad · 1 year ago

miller, lieberman and clinton

turd blossoms

scooter in brooklyn · 1 year ago

i saw part of an obama presser today. he was cool and collected, just like you'd want a president to be. i dont think the 50 foot woman is going to be able to knock him off.

OneManComotion · 1 year ago

Make no mistake, should either Obama or Clinton steal this election I shall not vote for the supposed winner and will give up on voting for the rest of my life. It is bad enough that we had the 2000 and 2004 elections stolen. No more I am done sould it happen.

astrodem · 1 year ago

Last night on MSNBC, Terry McAuliffe was being interviewed by Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews. As he finished a long diatribe about how Hillary was going to win the popular vote, Keith asked him if Hillary lost the popular vote would she then concede defeat in the election? McAuliffe's response was that no, they'd just find another metric to justify keeping her in the race.

Hillary Clinton and her supporters are now drinking their own kool-aid. We have now arrived at the point wherein political outcomes no longer have any bearing on the actions of the Clinton campaign. Results in the remaining states may or may not be helpful, but they are ancillary at best. Hillary could lose by overwhelming margins in every single state from now until June, and it wouldn't matter one bit. They are going to take this fight to the convention, no matter what happens, and I am sorry to say that there isn't a damn thing our party elders can do to stop it, including giving Obama enough pledged delegates and superdelegates to win the nomination.

She is going to the convention, no matter what.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

OneManComotion 2 minutes ago
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What on earth are you saying here? Of course either Clinton or Obama will become the nominee, and although I would consider Hillary's win to be stealing, you can hardly call an Obama nomination as stealing.

dommyluc · 1 year ago

So, Hillary and her campaign have decided that will not follow the rules of the party. I seem to remember when Florida and Michigan didn't follow the rules of the party, and look what happened to them. I think it is time for Hillary to go. If Obama was doing this, the Democratic Party would have eviscerated him by now. It must be really nice to make up new rules as you go along. The only reason she has been able to get away with this shit so far is because her last name is Clinton, but the Clinton brand has now totally lost its luster. Next she'll say she wants the delegates from Mars seated. I never wanted to say this before, but what a fucking lying, vindictive bitch. She's just like that sleazy husband of hers. I really, really hope they kick her out of the party. If she's a Democrat, then I'm Brad Pitt - and believe me, I ain't no Brad Pitt!

Bcre8ve · 1 year ago

Hillary Clinton and Joe Lieberman - Two (D)s in a Pod

mush57 · 1 year ago

You're a moron

blackwolf · 1 year ago

Right you are! It's kind of an agreed upon "thing" that she won't be sitting in the White House:)

If she steals the nomination, she loses the "G" election.

shell · 1 year ago

mush57 --

There is a difference between GIVING UP and being a lunatic.

Hillary's antics are just like a basketball team, behind by 10 points at the closing buzzer, saying, "I will NOT LOSE!"

Sorry -- she has already lost.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

mush57 3 minutes ago
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The argument of whose supporters are more diligently willing NOT to support the opposing Democratic candidate is just plain silly, BUT there are lots of polls which show that it is the Hillary folk who by a huge number will NOT vote for Obama if he is the nominee.

Funny thing about facts...

shell · 1 year ago

mush57 1 minute ago 1 point

You're a moron

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There you have it -- Hillary's supporter in a NUTshell.

Go drink some warm milk.

plainbrown1 · 1 year ago

I wish... I really, really, really wish folks would stop making this race all trauma and drama! Hillary Clinton is not evil - she's ambitious - and yes there is a difference. She is convinced that only she can win the general. So be it! But she is neither God nor Demon. She is a candidate who is running out of money, out of states , out of time and who has lost the biggest lead in modern political history, all by her own little self. She will get out of the race when it becomes clear that it is in her own self interest to do so - not before.

Even though she can't win without major damage to the party, either inflicted by her or self inflicted, she will stay in hoping for a miracle. She has simply gotten caught up in the drama of her own ambition and everybody seems afraid to step up and tell her it's time to leave the field.

Bill can't, and her staff can't, and the party leadership wants to play safe, so they won't either. It's time for the party Godfathers to step in and shut this madness down. Gore, Edwards, Carter, Dean, Pelosi, Reid and all the other party influentials. Only one person can win the nomination, that's the plain and simple truth of the matter - everybody else has to lose. I wouldn't care is she wanted to play till the final bell, if she didn't insist on trying to get disqualified on ugly points. It's up to the party to call foul and tell her that by intentionally trying to do damage to the front runner, this late in the campaign, she is inflicting wounds that won't have time to heal and crippling the parties chances. The question is, who is willing to incur the wrath of her supporters?

jr · 1 year ago

"We need to make a whiter America for our children. What message would it send if we allowed him to be our nominee?"-Hillary to superdelegates

GreenEagle · 1 year ago

Mush57 says:

"I really think that Hillary is the better candidate. Does that make me somehow an evil person? " Perhaps not, but it makes you a fool.
Hillary Clinton is acting in a disgraceful manner, and it's getting worse as the nomination slips further from her grasp. I cannot believe the way she has made me feel, considering the high regard I had for the Clintons a few months ago. I would never vote for McCain or any other Republican, but she has revealed herself to be such a vile person that I would have a real problem voting for her. I wish I didn't feel that way about a potential Democratic candidate, but I do.

As for the argument that Hillary is merely ambitious and not evil, I reply that: Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
They have told you Hillary was ambitious: If it were so, it was a grievous fault; And grievously will she Answer it, for ambition for country may be noble, but ambition for self easily slides into evil.

(Will, my apologies)

MorgaineSwann · 1 year ago

Doesn't the party have some say in this? If Hillary is mathematically incapable of winning, why haven't they cut her loose? If Obama is the presumptive nominee, they should say so. Allowing her to continue a campaign of personal destruction against him only damages the party. What happens if all those newly registered voters vote for a third party? That's exactly what will happen if she steals it. The people they're depending on to win this election don't have any loyalty to the party, just to Obama.

DougStamate · 1 year ago

Morgain Swann "Doesn't the party have some say in this?" The party has plenty to say about this and will do so - in Denver this August. Sen. Obama is the "presumptive nominee" only if he has the votes of 2025 delegates; but until there is an official vote in the convention we do not have a Democratic nominee.
Sen. Clinton can still go to Denver, have her name entered as a nominee and try to attract the support of delegates, regular or super, from any other candidate. The odds are not in her favor, but other presidential candidates have arrived at the nominating convention with less pledged support (Wilson and FDR come to mind) and ended up as the nominee.
The last thing the Democratic Party needs is any appearance that the nomination is being decided by the superdelegates before the primaries are over. And as I said above, until the convention votes, there isn't a nominee, just candidates.

SociologistTina · 1 year ago

Great post! Thanks, John!

smallhandff · 1 year ago

Is anyone wondering if Hillary is auditioning to be McCain's V.P. pick? She is surely acting like it.

mush57 · 1 year ago

You keep saying I want her to give up. I want a candidate who will not give up. I've had enough of the give up candidates. Kerry comes instantly to mind and he's an Obama backer. I Want a Fighter, a dirty fighter, a fighter who will fight for what she wants. She wants to be President and is willing to fight for it, GOOD FOR HER.

Bcre8ve · 1 year ago

Really? Fight Dirty? Don't we deserve better than the Karl Rove playbook?

Hillary can not win, will not win, and will only damage herself, and the party, in the process.

Obama could have fought dirty - there were many "scandals" from the Clinton White House - Paula Jones, Ginnifer Flowers, Whitewater, Vince Foster, the backing of Don't Ask Don't Tell (rather than the campaign promise of including gays in the military), backing DOMA, the missing Rose Law Firm records that just "magically" showed up on the White House dining room table, Monica Lewinsky, the communist law firm, Bill's commuting of Mark Rich and the Weather Underground, etc., etc., etc., etc.

But Obama hasn't, and kudos to him for taking the high road.

I don't want another "dirty" president. I've had enough of that for the last seven years.