john - i am asking that you stop using the term "steal the election" it is unfair and not true. he will have more delegates and she will eventually have more votes but both can not win. so there will be no "stealing" of anything. if you respect your readers you should stop using false and inflammatory words to the readers - go count how many times he uses the phrase.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
The mantra of "steal" the nomination, "discarding", "ignoring" and "thwarting" the will of the voters will incesssantly continue because they are true, despite all the bitching, whining and moaning coming from the Clinton camp. Word spin will not steal the truth either. Just get used to these words. They will and ust continue to be used. The Clinton campaign and its minion can whine and moan, but they cannot and will not suppress the truth, though it is encouraging to see the truth giving some discomfort.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Not counting Michigan or Florida (absent a re-vote in each, which I support) Clinton will not win the pledged delegate vote, will not win the popular vote and will not have won a majority of states. Given all of this, Clinton has absolutely no moral claim to the nomination.
Therefore, until she has a moral claim (something more than the cock flaccid "the rules do not disallow theft" that have been tried and have failed by the Clinton camp) the term "steal" will continue to ring true in describing what Clinton is trying to do.
Clinton should gracefully exit or risk being rode out of the convention hall on a rail like good ol' Homer Stoke in O Brother Wher Art Thou.
pcvirginiabeach
· 1 year ago
Rugbyman- Oh give it a friggin rest. You can stop pretending Hillary can win by the rules any time now. The only possible way Hillary ends up with more "votes" is if she changes the rules so she wins by counting two states that were not in play, and disenfanchises every caucus state.
Last time I checked.. changing the rules of a game in order to win it in the middle of the game is cheating. Cheating .... is stealing. She would have to count a state that he was not even on the ballot of, and disregard all the caucus results to "claim" she won.
THE ONLY WAY CLINTON WINS THIS IS BY STEALING THIS ELECTION. PERIOD! The supers will have to overturn the will of the people to give this to Hillary... PERIOD.
rugbyman
· 1 year ago
email me in 3 weeks and lets see.
dad
· 1 year ago
the rules: delegates true not false.
junk.
dad
· 1 year ago
i should have said, close but no cigar.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
And they didn't even mention Bubba's "junk" that Hillary was involved in, like NAFTA, banking deregulation, oil company megamergers, Pardongate, Clinton Library Donations....
donotmakemecomedownthere
· 1 year ago
rugby said: "...he (Obama) will have more delegates and she (Clinton) will eventually have more votes but both can not win."
Why do you use the word "eventually"? Sounds like you are trying to drag this out as long as possible. Nice try, but I'm sick of it.
Obama is the only candidate who even comes close to representing the ideals of the Democratic Party, and he's the only candidate who can beat whoever McCain chooses as his VP in the fall.
Hillary's Democratic Party membership card should be burned.
TechMistress
· 1 year ago
Matt Drudge has a big story front and center right now: Clinton Tells Vocal Obama Supporters: 'I'll Work My Heart Out For Him'...
Give me a break. I don't trust her. If you were to turn the tables, would a single one of us support that monstrous, corrupt Hillbilly piggy? If her mouth is open, she's lying. I don't know a single Obama supporter who would vote for her under any conditions. The Democratic Party can go to hell if it doesn't force her to exit the campaign.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
I hope that Clinton will support Obama when he becomes POTUS. As a junios Senator from New York Clinton could really help shining Obama's shoes (figuratively, of course) and carrying water (figuratively, of course) for Obama. Can redneck Bill handle having his wife completely under the thumb, subordinate to and to some degree subservient to the head of the party and the POTUS come 1/20/09.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
she will eventually have more votes
----
Only if she forces the dems to count primaries that she agreed shouldn't count beforehand.
which means she is trying to change the rules after the fact.
Which is stealing in my book.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
TechMistress Matt Drudge has a big story front and center right now: Clinton Tells Vocal Obama Supporters: 'I'll Work My Heart Out For Him'...
-----
It's a trick.
Everybody knows she has no heart.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
American Samoa, Guam, and the U.S. Virgin Islands are represented by one non-voting House delegate each.
-----
Doesn't sound like much, does it?
donotmakemecomedownthere
· 1 year ago
Tech Mistress: Didn't you know? Hillary is the voice of the disenfranchised.
Thanks for the correction, tbhull. Sometimes even SHE forgets that she's just all that.
(and who cares what her late husband thinks?)
ShirleyGoodnessanMercy
· 1 year ago
American Samoa, Guam, and the U.S. Virgin Islands are represented by one non-voting House delegate each.
Just like Washington DC.
grandma
· 1 year ago
04 May 2008 07:34 pm
The Weekly Standard bows down before the new right-wing Clinton.
And better--or worse--she is becoming a social conservative, a feminist form of George Bush............. .....Any day now, she'll start talking Texan, and cutting the brush out in Chappaqua or at her posh mansion on Embassy Row...
That piece nailed it on Iraw. If you thing Clinton the war monger will end the war she voted for then you deserve the never ending war and erosion of our rights at home in furtherance of the same.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
correction:
That Andrew Sullivan piece nailed it on Iraq.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
think
Patriot
· 1 year ago
Oh, brother. I can just picture Hillary at the convention ask'n the crowd, "Is or is you not my constuancy."
The DNC has to be more than a little concerned that she just might have every intention of dragging herself, and the party, down in flames all the way into the convention. The result just might be the perpetual GOP of a Rovian dream.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
That would be old Hillary proclaiming "Is you is or is you ain't my constutuency?" as she is about to be hoisted on the rail to a most certain mile high tar and featherin'.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
I await the Clnton camp to unveil the argument that they have won more sqaure miles and Carvillle, the hillbilly inbred golum that he resembles, pushing this new sophistry in "unbiased" and "objective" fashion by ranting: "..., well Wolf after all we have become such a mobile society with people moving all over the place all the time and such. When you think about it, square miles never change. It has some merit."
Patriot
· 1 year ago
If the DNC is smart, the super delegates come out from under their shells after by June, and Hillary keeps her charade going after June then the DNC should consider a tar and featherin' by no later than July.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
In the lull before the most certain tar and featherin' a a soft rotten tomoato or two hurled her while shes a speakin on the trail to precede her ultimate ugly debacle would be in order.
Patriot
· 1 year ago
If this nonsense continues for much longer some rotten vegetables would be appropo. However, in the current state of our disunion throwing rotten veggies might actually earn you a trip to gitmo and a round or two of torture.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
That why one would get some young repub drunk on free beer and talk him into it.
donotmakemecomedownthere
· 1 year ago
tbhull: Don't you know there's a food shortage going on? Try wet nerf balls!
--
M.S.M.eanwhile.... Ever see Condi's blatant VP bid in the Middle East?
GrahamCrackerDC
· 1 year ago
tbhull, et al.
1. Michigan and Florida will be seated. Howard Dean (chairman of DNC) has said they will be. 2. Hillary Clinton shamefully broke her pledge and was on the Michigan ballot. 3. But she BROKE NO RULE. There is no rule -- it was a "gentlemen's agreement" among the candidates. There is no Democratic Party rule that Clinton broke. 4. Obama left his name off the Michigan ballot. Voluntarily. Honorably. Foolishly. 5. There is no "stealing" that will occur. If all 794 superdelegates vote for Clinton, or all 794 vote for Obama -- that's their right. Superdelegates are NOT pledged.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Using SDs override the will of the people as expressed in the popular vote and the pledgd delegates is theft and is stealing the nomination. The weak ass shit argument that the rules do not prohibit this theft do not work no matter how many times they are repeated. Just get used to the word "steal" until she is rode out of the convention in stupifying disgrace never to recover.
rugbyman
· 1 year ago
tbhull -but you will agree that when she passes him in popular votes in about 3 weeks Obama should drop out right? b/c using delegates to thwart the will of the people would be stealing and we know how you feel on that
tbhull
· 1 year ago
No, if Clinton comes to lead Obama in the popular vote (not counting Florida or Michigan unless a re-vote is held in either) then she has a moral claim to persuade the SDs and the nomination is anyone's game.
Currently Clinton has nothing. She cannot get the popular vote unless she wins NC, Indiana and the remaining states way big, which will not occur. By the way, I think a re-vote should be held in Florida and Michigan ran by the normal state party apparatus and paid for by the DNC.
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
Rugby, if you don't like the term stealing the election, then you're really not going to like our coverage over the next month if Hillary stays in the race.
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
Really?
I thought you were going in save the "Stealing the election" for if McCain wins since that is the only way republicans can win in your eyes...
donotmakemecomedownthere
· 1 year ago
...just watching a CNN broadcast of an Obama speech....he's the first person who calls his profession 'Politcian' who doesn't make me want to change the channel within 2 minutes...
How is there any doubt who the Democratic nominee will be?
rugbyman
· 1 year ago
but clinton will get the popular vote -its just a matter of getting to kentucy and west virginia. add in florida and michigan and she will win handily in the popular vote. so until that does not happen the using "steal the election" is false and misleading. you Obama supporters are going to have to deal with losing one of the "holy grails" of the election and that is the popular vote. so please do not lecture me on morals
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Using the Michigan popular vote would make Putin blush and to suggest it gets thrown into the equation is wholly duplicitious, but par for the course for Clinton and her desparate failing campaign.
Stealing the election is not dishonest. It is the truth and it is a load of words that you will swallow, like it or not. These words of truth will continue to flow unimpaired by the pansy ass whines and whimpers of Clinjton supporters.
rugbyman
· 1 year ago
email me in 3 weeks and we will see. if i am wrong i will admit. can you be man enough to do that? i love how pansy is a bad word when clinton people use it and not when obama people use it. par for the course
tbhull
· 1 year ago
You never heard me whine about the use of the word pansy or steal. Hardball politics and language are fair game. We'll speak in three weeks if not sooner.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Your candidate, Hillary Clinton, is finished. When will you be honorable enough to admit it?
I can wait three weeks if you need to stew and whimper, but if you were rational, as opposed to hysterical, you would admit it tonight!
rugbyman
· 1 year ago
so bush bites - you are saying that your candidate should win the nomination without the popular vote? why? if he can't beat her then he is not better than her in my opinion. if he has to have 5 million votes disregarded (rules or no rules) then he is a pretty pathetic candidate. this is a very unique situation and all you that say she should drop out are probably quitters in your own personal lives. I would never drop out of anything if I had a chance to achieve my goals that I worked my whole life for. this is not bridge club with the neighbors down the street.
rugbyman
· 1 year ago
donotmakemecomedownthere - i hate dragging a win out too. lets just all quit. that seems to be the biggest democrat principle. quit. quit. quit. thank god Lincoln was a republican or we would all be screwed. and John - i dont like the coverage and I come here to speak truth to people who hoist there false statements on unsuspecting lemmings
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
Are you talking about the bags under her eyes? They are getting kind of noticeable...
ndtovent
· 1 year ago
I said this at the very beginning, shortly after hillary first annnounced her run for prez... that her baggage would come back to haunt her, and I was sooo right, except that her previous baggage hasn't really made it's debut yet..... I didn't bank on the fact that she would run such a shitty campaign that most of the public comments she made during it would lead to her downfall... I was thinking previous baggage -- all the scandals, etc. This new stuff is just extra gravy/fodder for the gop machine..... they'll pull out alll the stops come fall... it sucks to be hillary right now...
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Clinton will not pass Obama in the popular vote without a re-vote in Florida or Michigan.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Here is a link to a very good article by Carl Bernstein. I take it Mr. Bernstein is not too enamored with Clinton's ploy of "guilt by association".
All of you Clinton-haters are going to appear very hypocritical 3 months from now when you are unashamedly praising her after she wins the nomination and begins to take on McCain.
Howard Dean has already said that MI and FL will be seated.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Howard Dean and the DNC also said Michigan and Florida will not count if they do not play by the rules. Howard Dean and the DNC should eat their words and have a re-vote in both states paid for by the DNC and ran by the states' election apparatus..
GrahamCrackerDC
· 1 year ago
tbhull
Will you support Clinton if she is the Democratic nominee?
Yes or no?
tbhull
· 1 year ago
I will support any dem candidate that legitimately wins the nomination, which could include Clinton if she gets ahead in the popular vote without counting Florida or Michigan. If she steals the nomination without either then I will wait and see the third party landscape.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
I will not support a party that allows a candidate to steal the nomination.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
The demoncratic party has not done much with the Congressional mandate received in 2006,. We are still in Iraq and warrantless wiretaps continue and all that silly old fool Convyers and the bucktoothed Waxman will do is write fancily worded letters.
Bluestocking
· 1 year ago
I've been saying this for years now -- "everyone has emotional baggage but some people can get by with a messenger bag whereas some people need an entire set of Louis Vuitton matched luggage." I think it's safe to say that the amount of ammo which the GOP potentially has to throw at Clinton (which is, sad to say, quite a lot) puts her firmly in the latter category -- and if she should against the odds become the Democratic Party nominee, there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that every last piece is going to be opened up and aired out by the GOP.
Smarmy
· 1 year ago
That's why the republicans want Hillary as the dem nominee. She's got more junk than anyone running. They'll razzle dazle you with attack after attack on her 'junk'. And when the party becomes entrenched in defending her, McSame will win the election.
HILLARY IS THE REPUBLICAN'S ONLY CHANCE AT A NOVEMBER WIN.
dommyluc
· 1 year ago
Of course, being that Hillary is so blessed by God because of her economic fortune, her baggage is exclusively designed by Louis Vuitton.
jr
· 1 year ago
"give me the white discount"-Hillary to superdelegates
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Rugbyman time is soon for you to admit Hillary is finished!Admit it
scottinsf
· 1 year ago
Busboy---anybody born in Guam or the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico ARE US CITIZENS and have US Passports and can come and go as they please.
Busboy
· 1 year ago
Why does Guam get to vote in a primary? They can't vote in the general election. Isn't the whole island about an average 12' above sealevel? When all the Arctic ice melts this year they'll all be dead by November anyway. I'm sure Hillary will try to have their delegates unseated...
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
LOL Got ta' love that global warming stuff. Maybe Hillery is the one makeing Global Warming in an attempt to disenfranchise the people in Guam.
All Comments
if you respect your readers you should stop using false and inflammatory words
to the readers - go count how many times he uses the phrase.
Therefore, until she has a moral claim (something more than the cock flaccid "the rules do not disallow theft" that have been tried and have failed by the Clinton camp) the term "steal" will continue to ring true in describing what Clinton is trying to do.
Clinton should gracefully exit or risk being rode out of the convention hall on a rail like good ol' Homer Stoke in O Brother Wher Art Thou.
Last time I checked.. changing the rules of a game in order to win it in the middle of the game is cheating. Cheating .... is stealing. She would have to count a state that he was not even on the ballot of, and disregard all the caucus results to "claim" she won.
THE ONLY WAY CLINTON WINS THIS IS BY STEALING THIS ELECTION. PERIOD! The supers will have to overturn the will of the people to give this to Hillary... PERIOD.
true not false.
junk.
Why do you use the word "eventually"? Sounds like you are trying to drag this out as long as possible. Nice try, but I'm sick of it.
Obama is the only candidate who even comes close to representing the ideals of the Democratic Party, and he's the only candidate who can beat whoever McCain chooses as his VP in the fall.
Hillary's Democratic Party membership card should be burned.
Give me a break. I don't trust her. If you were to turn the tables, would a single one of us support that monstrous, corrupt Hillbilly piggy? If her mouth is open, she's lying. I don't know a single Obama supporter who would vote for her under any conditions. The Democratic Party can go to hell if it doesn't force her to exit the campaign.
----
Only if she forces the dems to count primaries that she agreed shouldn't count beforehand.
which means she is trying to change the rules after the fact.
Which is stealing in my book.
Matt Drudge has a big story front and center right now: Clinton Tells Vocal Obama Supporters: 'I'll Work My Heart Out For Him'...
-----
It's a trick.
Everybody knows she has no heart.
-----
Doesn't sound like much, does it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPaDNcnCZx0
(and who cares what her late husband thinks?)
Just like Washington DC.
The Weekly Standard bows down before the new right-wing Clinton.
And better--or worse--she is becoming a social conservative, a feminist form of George Bush.............
.....Any day now, she'll start talking Texan, and cutting the brush out in Chappaqua or at her posh mansion on Embassy Row...
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...
That Andrew Sullivan piece nailed it on Iraq.
The DNC has to be more than a little concerned that she just might have every intention of dragging herself, and the party, down in flames all the way into the convention. The result just might be the perpetual GOP of a Rovian dream.
--
M.S.M.eanwhile.... Ever see Condi's blatant VP bid in the Middle East?
1. Michigan and Florida will be seated. Howard Dean (chairman of DNC) has said they will be.
2. Hillary Clinton shamefully broke her pledge and was on the Michigan ballot.
3. But she BROKE NO RULE. There is no rule -- it was a "gentlemen's agreement" among the candidates. There is no Democratic Party rule that Clinton broke.
4. Obama left his name off the Michigan ballot. Voluntarily. Honorably. Foolishly.
5. There is no "stealing" that will occur. If all 794 superdelegates vote for Clinton, or all 794 vote for Obama -- that's their right. Superdelegates are NOT pledged.
Currently Clinton has nothing. She cannot get the popular vote unless she wins NC, Indiana and the remaining states way big, which will not occur. By the way, I think a re-vote should be held in Florida and Michigan ran by the normal state party apparatus and paid for by the DNC.
I thought you were going in save the "Stealing the election" for if McCain wins
since that is the only way republicans can win in your eyes...
How is there any doubt who the Democratic nominee will be?
Stealing the election is not dishonest. It is the truth and it is a load of words that you will swallow, like it or not. These words of truth will continue to flow unimpaired by the pansy ass whines and whimpers of Clinjton supporters.
I can wait three weeks if you need to stew and whimper, but if you were rational, as opposed to hysterical, you would admit it tonight!
and John - i dont like the coverage and I come here to speak truth to people who hoist there false statements on unsuspecting lemmings
They are getting kind of noticeable...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-bernstein/th...
Howard Dean has already said that MI and FL will be seated.
Will you support Clinton if she is the Democratic nominee?
Yes or no?
HILLARY IS THE REPUBLICAN'S ONLY CHANCE AT A NOVEMBER WIN.