DISQUS

MotorCityBadBoy · 1 year ago

Hillary went through allll that in Pennsylvania for a net gain of 9 delegates? 9??? And the net gain is really 8 because a superdelegate from Oklahoma just endorsed him today. I hope it was worth it Shillary.

HereinDC · 1 year ago

" It.,it's, what, it, all, it's ,that,it,this,this,the experience" 12x

Yep, she sure is avoiding the G-word.

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MotorCityBadBoy · 1 year ago

I have to agree. I think the comfort levels with "others" (Ie. anyone who's not a straight and white) is generational. Obama is an older Gen Xer and Hillary is a middle boomer. Thus the disconnect. But I'm happy that this country is changing in such a way that these "isms" are less of an issue than they used to be. It shows slow and steady progress. Even if Barack doesn't win (which I pray he does) he's opened a lot of doors (and Hillary too, I grudgingly admit) and has created an opportunity for everyone to reach higher. I'm proud that we've come that far as a nation.

Ksue · 1 year ago

Good catch. You're right. She said "gay" exactly once.

I did notice that she said "straight" twice, though.

HoustonHal · 1 year ago

I'll never forget when Bill Clinton signed DOMA in the middle of the night. Truly shameful.

davidkc · 1 year ago

Amen to that. It was truly a dark and shameful moment. And Hillary only supports a partial repeal of DOMA, while Obama supports a full repeal. This is a key difference between the two candidates on gay issues, but it rarely gets mentioned.

davidkc · 1 year ago

John, thank you for making this point. I have also noticed that Obama mentions gays in his speeches on a regular basis, even before audiences that may be uncomfortable with him doing so, and Hillary NEVER does. And give how Bill Clinton sold us down the river with DADT and DOMA, I really don't expect too much from Hillary. She can't even give us lip service about supporting gay issues. One little quibble: you mention that Obama is willing to chastize "his own community," but we are all a part of his community.

ericgoldman · 1 year ago

My impression here was that she wanted to speak to the issues without creating a "gotcha" sound bite that could be used in a negative ad.

Hilary was giving interview to the gay press back in February, long before Barack. In this interview, she opposes the Federal marriage amendment and Don't Ask Don't Tell. In other venues, I've heard her speak with great affection for her gay neighbors here in NY. Her positions are as good as any elected officials.

That being said, until someone, Democratic or Republican, unequivocably says she or he supports gay marriage and full constitutional rights for individuals regardless of their sexual orientation, they all suck. That includes all three current candidates.

lizr · 1 year ago

living in a dream world, dream on.

To me it's MUCH better that he integrates us in his vision of a diverse world with equal rts for all. And consistently does that even when it's not obviously an easy audience for hm. Unlike Clinton who will throw us under the bus immediately. that is what Clintons do.

Though Chelsea in time may prove to be different.

OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago

Oh hell, everyone should know by now that Clinton is appealing to the reactionary wing of the Democratic Party. She proved that in PA.

Indigo · 1 year ago

Exactly what O&W said. Clinton is a Dixiecrat, the Dixiecrats will eventually walk out and take the nasty with them. It's happened before, it's about to happen again.

Paul_In_SF · 1 year ago

>>>Obama “gets it” <<<

Yes, I have said the exact same thing to people many times. I have always had the impression that Obama feels and deeply understands the issue of lesbian and gay inequality, while to Hillary it is some sort of abstract idea that should eventually be addressed, like saving the rainforest.

Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas · 1 year ago

Often sung at Clinton strategy meetings...sing to the tune of "The Wheels on the Bus"...
THROW THE FAGS 'NEATH THE BUS AND WIN, WIN, WIN...WIN, WIN, WIN...etc.

Stevious · 1 year ago

She's a closeted gay rights supporter?

dula · 1 year ago

Hillary probably feels the need to distance herself from the fact that she is a full on practicing Dyke. One of the many things the vast Right Wing Conspiracy(you know, the one she is actively courting these days) is preparing to unleash on the self-centered cow if she becomes the nominee.

OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago

Robert Gates on CNN explaining that Betrayus will be head of Centcom; Odierno taking over command of Iraq forces...

The loyalists.

Blueflash · 1 year ago

I noticed this several months ago. It was one of the main reasons I began to move back to the Obama camp despite my anger with him over the McClurkin business. At any rate, the Clintons are not to be trusted. They betrayed us in the 90's with Don't Ask, Don't Tell and the Defense of Marriage Act and Hillary of late in using the "bitter" remarks against Obama has made a point - good little student of the right-wingers that she has become - of mentioning the irrelevant fact that his remarks were made in San Francisco - right-wing code for Queersville. Says something about her character or lack of it. Like husband like wife, I guess. The Clintons are despicable.

naschkatzehussein · 1 year ago

I usually refrain from commenting on the subject here because I am not gay, but I'd bet my boots that if Hillary Clinton saw that the gay rights issue was working against her, she'd run away from it as soon as possible and even turn on it. She will say and do whatever it takes to win, and she obviously thought it would not play well with the Nash McCabes of Pennsylvania. There were one or two incidents, however, when Chelsea was sent into gay/lesbian bars (with Rendell) to get her ass grabbed. This did not make the media news, but it sure proved David Schuster's point that the Clintons are pimping their daughter.

Houndentenor · 1 year ago

Not only did Clinton sign DOMA, he ran ads in the south in 1996 on Christian radio stations bragging about signing it. I don't trust either of them.

And all this does make me wonder if, as I have been told by many on the right, that they have the proof of a lesbian affair while they were in the White House.

Rob Mule · 1 year ago

I can see Bill bemoaning "the gays", the problems our military service caused his less-than-honest presidency and our unfair linguistic and stylistic advantages on the Internets.
Bill and Hil want our money but wish we'd stay seated in our assigned place near the rear of the bus...

OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago

OK, I've had it. Clinton just lied on national TV and said she won PA by double digits...

She just can't stop lying.

NovaNardis · 1 year ago

@ OlderandWiser:
OK, I've had it. Clinton just lied on national TV and said she won PA by double digits...

She just can't stop lying.

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Yeah! She said she won by double digits, when it was REALLY 9.5! If she lied about that, it's just like lying about weapons of mass destruction!

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Seriously. It's called rounded numbers. Get over yourself. 54.7 versus 45.3 ~ 55-45.

lizr · 1 year ago

Sorry, but 8.3 % is more like it and the MSM LIES and says it is 10% which was the number they had said she needed to stay in the race and continue to kill Dem chances in Nov. THey lied to keep her in the race, since the horserace is also good for their ratings, the bastards.

BrucesReality · 1 year ago

Wow, that was painfully awkward. It's almost like she's a little kid who is embarrassed to say a "dirty word" and does what ever she can to talk around it. Even my 85 year old grandmother can say the word "gay"! I hate to play armchair psychiatrist, but she does indeed appear to have a gay problem, that is, a problem with gays.

FNReedie · 1 year ago

Just go to the hillaryclinton.com website and see how long it takes for you to find info on LGBT. We definitely are not on her top issues. (The only info I could find was buried in the subsites -- Hillary Hub, etc.)

Obama mentions us very clearly under his People section.

That says it all to me.

Blueflash · 1 year ago

BrucesReality - No, Clinton's not a homophobe but that's beside the point. She'll appear on Ellen where the audience is liberal and not miss a merry beat when Ellen mentions she's gay and then turn around and refer to "San Francisco values" when addressing the Nascar crowd. She's perfectly happy to get gay votes IF it can be done discreetly and not alarm the rednecks. That's why she sent Chelsea into the Pennsylvania gay bars just as the Clintons sent Stephanopoulos into gay bars in '92 and we know how that worked out. Clinton has no problem with gay people and loves our votes and donations. Problem is we can probably expect to be shown the door if and when she gets to the White House. We'll have served our purpose once again.

lizr · 1 year ago

Please note that David Mixner, very accomplished gay fundraiser in LA who was with the Clintons in the 90's is now with Obama...

THink he knows more than we do?

I can guarantee it.

Truthiest · 1 year ago

David Mixner - raised a lot of money for Bill in 1992. He had Bill's ear when gay people were in the closet, lacking protection in the workplace, dying of AIDS, and getting gay bashed. Bill asked David, for all his hard work, what would gay people like? Ignoring the opinions of virtually every gay organization, which wanted to wait six months for Bill to put bread and butter issues through Congress before staking his presidency on something controversial, David courageously (and stupidly), demanded that Bill sign an executive order on his first day as president requiring the armed services to allow gays to serve openly in the military. David Mixner never studied the political landscape, didn't consider the consequences of timing, or the needs of the community. He just insisted because it was the right thing to do. Bill announced the day after he was elected that he was going to exactly what David wanted. Then the shit started flying, not from Republicans, but from Democrats, led by Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Sam Nunn (who endorsed Obama last week). For eight months Bill fought for this issue, blowing every bit of political capital he had on the gays, before it was clear that Congress just wouldn't have it. Thus, a compromise was created: Don't Ask Don't Tell.

That was a whole lot of political capital wasted on nothing.

Is David courageous and connected to rich people? Sure. Does he know what's best for gay people? No way. Does he hold a grudge against the Clintons for something that was largely his own making? Absolutely. Does this mean Obama is better for gays? Not in any way, shape, or form.

lizr · 1 year ago

I won't disagree with all that. Do YOU know what is best for our community? I guess YOU wouldn't make such a foolish mistake.

More gotcha. I'm sick of playing it.
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Truthiest · 1 year ago

No, I don't. I have my opinions, as does David Mixner. Barney Frank, Ethan Getto, Tammy Baldwin, Urvashi Vaid, Elizabeth Birch, Paul Smith, Claire Lucas, Melissa Sklarz, and a full range of leaders in the LGBT community, support Hillary Clinton. Over 150 leaders of the LGBT community have endorsed her. Does David Mixner's endorsement matter? Sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But to hold him up and say "Aha, here is proof that Hillary has a gay problem," is absurd. She might have a David Mixner problem, but a lot of good people do.

One significant difference I find between Obama and Clinton is that she has made a specific outreach to transgender people. She supports a trans-inclusive ENDA and she has pledged to be the first president to invite trans leaders to the White House to listen to, and discuss solutions to their issues.

As for Obama's reticence to talk to the gay press, he did not address it immediately. He resisted for months. In fact, my Obama supporting friend felt compelled to press the issue at an intimate high dollar fundraiser because it was becoming impossible to defend Obama's posture toward the gay community.

JackNasty · 1 year ago

Former Clinton friend, David Mixner endorsed Barack Obama in February . Mr. Mixner is all too aware of the Clintons' betrayal of gay voters in the 1990s. http://www.davidmixner.com/


I presume the rest of your information may be more credible than your report of Mr. Mixner's endorsement.

JackNasty · 1 year ago

Thruthiest, former Clinton friend, David Mixner endorsed Barack Obama in February . Mr. Mixner is all too aware of the Clintons' betrayal of gay voters in the 1990s. http://www.davidmixner.com/


I presume the rest of your information may be more credible than your report of Mr. Mixner's endorsement.

Truthiest · 1 year ago

My information is highly credible. But on your Mixner point, I only stress that David Mixner didn't speak for me when he was betting the gay rights movement on gays in the military (I would have much preferred an endorsement of gay marriage or a promise never to stand in the way of gay marriage) and he doesn't now.

For as much faith as you would suggest Mixner's endorsement should inspire, Rev. James Meeks's involvement in the Obama campaign is disenchanting and offensive.

Amaliada · 1 year ago

I'm exactly the same age as Hillary. In fact, we were both born on October 26, 1947. But I have lots of GLBT friends and served as Vice President of the board of Hands Off Washington in Washington State to prevent a homophobic group from passing anti gay legislation in the state. Hillary just has an issue. And in this case, age doesn't explain or excuse her problem. Could it have any thing to do the rumors that swirl around her from time to time? Just asking...

NovaNardis · 1 year ago

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/lgbt/
You were saying?

Barack Obama has a page about LBGT people, it's true. But his site says nothing about what he'll do. Hillary has a feature on her site that says point blank she'll support civil unions, amend ENDA, amend hate crimes laws, and repeal DADT.

So yes. Obama's position is just words. If you think that Hillary's trying to keep the LGBT community at arms reach--by sending her daughter to gay bars, and giving a front page interview to the Philly Gay News--than you are sorely mistaken. Just because she said "um" a few too many times in an interview? Come on. You know better than that.

Also, if you look at Obama's page, and his "Civil Rights" section, it makes no mention of the LGBT community at all. I find that disturbing, that he has an entire civil rights page, and leaves LGBT issues out--for inclusion on his seperate, but equal LGBT people page, I suppose.

caphillprof · 1 year ago

Yes and Bill PROMISED he'd end Dont' Ask Don't Tell. dream on Hillary folk

lizr · 1 year ago

So I guess his mentioning gays constantly in his speeches, like last night, means nothing!

LOL

NovaNardis · 1 year ago

I never said it meant nothing. He's not John McCain for God's sake.
But I think Hillary's plans are better than Obama's words. I understand that Bill Clinton promised a lot and then didn't deliver. But Hillary isn't going to be working with Newt Gingrich and Bob Dole. She'll be working with Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

lizr · 1 year ago

It all comes down to character, honesty, who's trustworthy. The Clintons will throw ANYONE under the bus if it suits their purposes. They are a no integrity group, as evidenced by their willingness to play the race card continuously in this race. They are disgusting.

penultimo · 1 year ago

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/lgbt.pdf

Obama has stated the same positions on all the issues you discuss, "point-blank". He also has the courage to bring us up when it has social and moral value beyond the political. These are the kinds of decisions he takes that have convinced so many intelligent, but more importantly, empathetic Americans to support him. He gains support by gaining people's Respect, for the positions he's taken and the things he's said that were not popular. It's the kind of trust that the Clinton's records and particularly their recent campaigning has made impossible.

I agree with you on your point about the civil rights page, however. That is a great omission. But I know from his general words in the public eye that we are not an omission for him. In fact, we are a huge addition and Obama is one of the few public speakers who will even mention the fact that we exist when it is not absolutely necessary. Their stances on the issues are the same, but character and the ability to communicate so that these positions actually become law are worlds apart between them.

aquarharris688 · 1 year ago

NovaNardis, did you watch the Compassion Forum on CNN. Obama made a commitment verbally for all to hear and see. No, Hillary's is just words. Why does she have the fear of saying the word "gay"? Hillary is not trustworthy.

gaydem · 1 year ago

Chelsea just seems to be so cool with the LGBT community. She's badly needed to do some coaching for both mama and daddy-o!!

shell · 1 year ago

This drives me crazy! The words YOU KNOW! What is it with DC (and pundits, too)? They say YOU KNOW all the time! I learned in 3rd grade not to say that.

What is WRONG with them????? Look at Hillary's answer in the article. How many times does she say YOU KNOW in something it took her less than a minute to say?

And I have said it before -- waaaaaay back when I was in high school (late 60s/early 70s), gays were out and respected -- in rural Oklahoma. This being afraid of/hating gays is new.

Upland_Oddball · 1 year ago

Hillary and Bill both have the ability to compartmentalize various groups, like GLBT, into neat, separate boxes. When Hillary is before a GLBT audience, she gets into the proper frame of mind and plunges into that box, and when she talks to farmers, she leaps into that box and doesn't refer to any other group or box. To the Chattering Class, this is "staying on message" and is a good thing. Barak, in contrast, has a mind that operates on many levels and sees connections between groups and issues, all at the same time, in the same speech. This is that "ephemeral" quality that the Chattering Class finds so annoying. It is also the quality that keeps Obama from lying so readily, or causes him to hesitate before throwing a group or a cause or a virtue under the bus just to gain a momentary advantage in a grubby pollitical game. And Bill and Hillary, do they hesitate? "Forget-About-It!

jr · 1 year ago

Jon Elliott from Air America's producer made the point Hillary and Bush both have the same base of undereducated whites who are more afraid of a gay couple moving next door than of losing their job

sfbayani · 1 year ago

Add to this Billary's Netroots problem.
And she's done!

cosanostradamus · 1 year ago

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Perhaps we should send her one of John McCain's warm, snuggly homosexual sweaters.
GAY SWEATERS 2008
http://blog-me-no-blogs.blogspot.com/2008/04/jo...
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chicago139 · 1 year ago

Hillary can NOT adequately address the LGBT community because she is Bisexual. Gennifer Flowers quoted her lover, Bill Clinton, colorfully, with respect to Hillary's experience in performing oral sex on women on page 42 of her book, Passion and Betrayal. In the book, Bill Clinton said to Flowers, "She [Hillary] has probably eaten more p**** than I have"...OR... Google up the name "Huma Albedin" this is Hill's personal "travel manager". This is a well known 'in-the beltway' secret, many don't care cause Bill has done so much foolin' around that she deserves companionship from someone, good for her! But this is why she keeps the LGBT community at arms length.

lizr · 1 year ago

Have heard this over and over again that this is what the Repugnants have up their sleeve vis a vis Hillary. Like pictures or something.

That is why they want her to get the nom..

nuff said.

patianneb · 1 year ago

Well, I'm 60 and I don't have any problem saying 'gay' even tho' I'm not and I admire the hell out of Obama for who he is:
A man, in my opinion, who really believes what he says and says what he means when he speaks about decency and goodness and not just tolerance but acceptance and even celebration of all that is different about EACH of us from EACH of the rest of us.
God bless him.

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reneeperry23 · 1 year ago

Why can't Hillary close the deal?

A few moments ago, one of the afternoon anchors, that's trying to make a name for herself- kept trying to pin down one of Barack's surrogates. She kept prodding him, asking why can't Barack seal the deal? I was asking myself, why in the world is an anchor picking up on one of Hillary Clinton's tired cliches? Instead of being impartial, it was clear that the anchor should ask a Hillary surrogate, "why can't Clinton seal the deal?

Here are the real questions: Why can't Senator Clinton seal the deal? Why are Americans not buying her experience lock, stock, and barrel? Why is it after 16 or so years in the public eye, with name recognition, and being First Lady for eight, did she not shut this down on Super Tuesday? Why is it that most Americans find her to be untrustworthy and dishonest? How can Jr. Senator from out of nowhere blindside her and take over not only the Popular Vote and Delegate Lead, not to mention win more states? Why is it that in states where she's expected to win by 20 or more percentage points, she barely scrapes by? Why is it, that people have started to cringe when Bill Clinton opens his mouth? Why is it that the Senator Hillary feels she has to lie, flip flop, change her position, and blow up Iran?

thepersonalispolitical · 1 year ago

Its true, Hillary only panders. Obama consistently talks to people about what they NEED to hear, not what they want to hear. Hillary has a face for every occasion.

damnthatojeda · 1 year ago

One of the biggest misconceptions about the Clintons is that they are pro-gay, when BC signed two of the biggest turd pieces of legislation re: gay/lesbians in recent years: Don't Ask, Don't Tell and the Defense of Marriage Acts. We are still battling the effects of both many years later with the right wing emboldened by the latter passage to try the even crazier Anti-Gay Marriage Amendment.

Those objecting may say that BC did sign an anti-discrimination act for Federal Employees. Good, but as with all strives by gays and lesbians, thousands of activists and boots on the ground gets the results. The rejection, by a conservative Supreme Court in a virulently anti-gay administration, of the anti-sodomy laws is proof of that.

Leo74 · 1 year ago

Truthiest, to me the most important part of what you say is a little beside the point of this post. You claim that, for all the money David Mixner raised for BIll, he was promised a political move of his choosing? This doesn't trouble you? For all the special interests backing Clinton, which she refuses to concede will have any impact in her agenda, your very claim proves we should be very afraid if she wins. Afraid of what she will promise (or has promised) all the lobbyists, the Big Pharma, Big Oil and Big Health HillRaisers behind her campaign.

passthesewords · 1 year ago

Hillary has a straight/gay African American problem too. She is Dead on Arrival, she has lost that quaranteed 85% African American vote needed to WIN in November. Gay's can't have the same rights as all American's and why support her, Don't ask, Don't Tell, is un - American. She declared WAR on Iran (nuclear), if she doesn't like something going in the middle east,, we all know is Israel is nuclear capable and will deal accordingly with any threat.

I just don't trust her anymore.

Clintonista · 1 year ago

Gays vote en masse for Clinton.

michaelbiggs · 1 year ago

Ok it is time for a fact check. Hillary completely dominates with the LBGT community. The exit polls make it completely clear. Do a google search. In California she won by a 2 to 1 margin in the LBGT community. In New York she won by nearly as much. She completely dominated the LBGT vote in Texas. Google search "Clinton JR's Dallas" to see her daughter doing outreach to the community. I do not think the overall numbers have changed much since the Hunter's College Poll last fall where she got nearly three times the votes Obama got. The poll was of GLB likely voters.

Please try to stay somewhat reality based.

dula · 1 year ago

I don't know or care if the majority of Gays and Lesbians support Hillary. 23% or so are Log Cabin Republicans. Yes, Gays can be just as willfully ignorant as the rest of society. Hillary is losing because the majority of Democrats nation wide prefer Obama. Get over it! What you need to be concerned about are the photos and phone calls the GOP are going to release if Hillary is the nominee illustrating the fact that she is a big 'ole DYKE.. her lover Huma is very photogenic I hear.

vat6948 · 1 year ago

As a straight, 60 yr. old white man, saying the word "gay" is not difficult. HRC has pandered to special interest groups since her election to congress. She probably feels that speaking about gay rights would offend her base; older voters, and middle age females. As a Obama supporter, I'm confidante he will devote his time in office to make the country a more perfect union. With all the problems this country faces; recession, energy, housing, health care, and Iraq, the country needs strong leadership more than ever. Every segment of the population must be pressed to help in this endeavor, the LBGT community should be no exception.

dula · 1 year ago

Well said ReneePerry
Ms. Inevitable had the biggest political machine in the US and couldn't translate to victory. It's not her fault though. We are dealing with something much bigger than Obama...a new energy sweeping the nation. Some of you here appear to be missing the train. Fuck off and go back to the 1990's where you belong.

outtapped · 1 year ago

PLEASE. Hillary is uncomfortable using the word "gay" because she is constantly being called a lesbian! If Obama was always being acuused of closeted homosexual behavior he would hesitate too...

Belmontdevil · 1 year ago

That's part of the point. If she were really OK with the Gay Community it wouldn't bother her to be incorrectly called a Lesbian. I'm not a Mormon, but it wouldn't freak me out if someone spread a rumor that I was...and I'd still be able to say the word "Mormon" without stuttering.

She's up to the same old Clinton trick from the 1990's...con the homosexuals into donating LARGE sums of money and voting for her...then once elected :
1. Enact "Don't ask, Don't Tell" ...under which the number of gays/Lesbians discharged from the military due to sexuality increased every year .
2. Pass the Defense of Marriage Act, giving each State the ability to ban same sex marriage.

I've debated with and begged every gay person I know not to vote for her.
Half seem to be caught up in "Diva worship" and the others are scared of the Big Heterosexual Black Man.

What Civil Rights do you think she'll take away?

rzan · 1 year ago

I don't think being called a lesbian is a bad thing. If she were OK with gays as a group, being called a lesbian would not stop her from saying the word "gay." I don't think Obama would hesitate using the word "gay."

claudew · 1 year ago

You obviously haven't heard about the YouTube video where some deranged queen accuses Obama... I'm not even going to repeat it, let alone link to it, but it's out there and it's been talked about on right-wing blogs. It hasn't had any effect on Obama's willingness to talk about gay issues in public.

lezlie · 1 year ago

now that's just sad!

DJankofsky · 1 year ago

I think the reason that Hillary does not mention the word gay is that she, calculatedly, does not want anyone to get ahold of that film clip or interview piece and use it against her. She is calculating, and she will do anything to win an election. I am even willing to give her the benefit of the doubt that she is not anti - gay. It's that she knows any favourable comment about gays will be used against her should she make it to the General Election. (She will sell anyone out to get elected...that's my problem with her.) I give Obama credit for just saying what he believes.

David P. Jankofsky (a straight White guy)

kemp3 · 1 year ago

I totally disagree. There are enough statements about gay rights in her past - she's never been this shy about it. Should she find her miracle and win the nomination, the Republicans have plenty of past statements to hammer her with. However, in a primary setting she's courting the most conservative Dem and Independent voters who are likely to have more prevalent anti-gay views. Obama isn't going to attack her for her past statements of support for gay rights, so she doesn't need to worry about it for now. But this is just another example of how she will say, do, and imply absolutely anything to get somebody's vote. And frankly i now think it's entirely possible that her past statements of support for gay rights were politically calculated as well.

DJankofsky · 1 year ago

Dear Kemp3;

I accept your argument. Gay issues are frankly not at the top of my mind
every morning so I was unaware of Hillary's past statements.

However, it appears that we agree on the bottom line with Hillary...she'll
say or do whatever it takes at a given moment to win. (Think of what the PA
boys would've thought about that while hunting deer.)

David P. Jankofsky (for McCain)



In a message dated 4/24/2008 4:37:19 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
writes:

aquarharris688 · 1 year ago

Here is some "food for thought". 1 Kings chapt. 3 verses 16-28: This is aa story of 2 women who say the baby is theirs. The liar says cut the baby in half and the true mother says don't cut the baby in half because it will harm the baby.
To say that, Hillary says she is the best candidate for the Democratic party, but will stop at nothing to try to bring down Barack, no matter the price and in the interim is willing to destroy the party. Yet Barack decides to take the high road and chooses not to annihilate Hillary in order to win the nomination because she is a fellow Democrat and he wants to preserve the Democratic party to take on the Republican party in the fall. THINK ABOUT IT! Who's the loyal Democrat?

AMM · 1 year ago

Hillary has a BIG PROBLEM when pandering to her adherence to the METHODIST BOOK OF DISCIPLINE as she did in her CNN religious interview. The Methodist book of discipline is very clear in their abhorance of homosexuality. They are currently fighting in court in NJ about not allowing civil unions in a public pavillion in which they happen to own. WHY ARE WE NOT HEARING MORE ABOUT THIS?? You can check out the web site for Ocean Grove United to find out more. If she upholds the methodist book of discipline as she stated, why are ANY gays voting for her????

HillaryGayTruth · 1 year ago

Off the top of my head:

Hillary has time and time again mentioned Gays in audiences that aren't gay. She did it at a chuch during an AIDS seminar (She was the only one to show up in person of all candidates), at the Jefferson Jackson dinner in one of the early primary states. These are just a couple examples I can think of.

Obama simply does not "get it". He has on his roster 2 homophobic (1 ex-gay) preachers. Though, Rev. Wright, to his credit, is good to the gays. The others were a mis-step for Obama.

Obama was called out by the former Mayor of SF (see article SF Gate) for not wanting to take a photo with Mayor Newsom of SF because he had to win in "Down State" -- A line he also used when talking to IL NOW president (Not that faker Chicago NOW President from his web-site, who wasn't even a member of NOW for the time the bills went through) for voting present when she called him to tell him it was not IL strategy to vote present on Choice. Obama's camp had some gay put out a statement saying that there was no way that Obama would do that. Obama never denied it though -- nor did a source high up in the campaign.

Hillary is looked at as a friend and strategic partner to the gay community, according to President of HRC, JOe Solmonese. He is on record as saying that she is always the first in responding to their needs. Whether it's helping with a fundraiser, or planning strategic meetings to defeat the FMA in '06. He said that Hillary was Pro-Active --- SHE called HIM to come to the Hill and held a series of meeting to strike down the ammendment.

In short, there is no controversial anti-gay figures on her campaign, in her office. Because she gets it. It's in her relationship with our community, our community leaders that makes her a better choice. She truly gets it.

In 92, she encouraged gay staff members to serve openly. She was the first First Lady to march in Pride (And she does it every year -- not in election years).

I hate that Obama's people are now trying to take away her Gay support. She has worked hard for it and earned it. I'm in ILLINOIS and Obama has done nothing for us. He doesn't even march in Pride. Didn't say anything about the Chicago Gay Games.

Additionally, I could go on and on about what Hillary did do for the gays.

But, really, this is what Obama's people do. They question her and never talk about what he's done. He talks about gays. Nice. But, have you ever seen him at Pride? He hasn't walked. Also, the Gay Games was a huge, worldly event. Rahm Emanuel put out a statement on it. Mayor Daley showed up and gave a speech. Where was Obama? He lives in Chicago. He's out Senator. Gay Games brought millinoins of dollars to this city and state -- he was absent.

mbrahmam · 1 year ago

EVERY time she uses the "...you know..." construct repeatedly in answers SHE IS LYING!!!!

She did that on NAFTA (denying she advocated for it)
She did that on CAFTA (denying the conflict of interest)
She did that on the war vote (claiming it was a vote for diplomacy)

This woman is shameless! and she "lies with such ease"...

BitterBlogger · 1 year ago

She lies like she breathes. So does bush the lesser. She is very observant, Clinton is. She has it all figured out. Bush the lesser has been lying his ass off for his entire life, and especially for last 7 years, and he keeps getting away with it. She thinks that lying goes with presidency, and she keeps practicing in case she gets selected.

bfraser55 · 1 year ago

Hiliary, like Bill, will pander to whatever audience she is speaking to at the time. We are not mentioned because we as a community do not seem to matter to her. She & Bill are taking it for granted that she will get the gay cote. I for one will not vote for her unless she (legally) get the nomination. I am disgusted with the campaign that she has run in the last few months. It is a win at all costs. As she smiles in your face she is stabbing you in your back and I for one don't like it.

kawika49 · 1 year ago

Gay or straight...veracity is the most important form of communication.
Without truth there is no relationship.
She has consistantly shown herself to be less than candid.
Straight or gay, is this what we want?