DISQUS

Measured_Response · 1 year ago

So when Obama loses in November will you blame Hillary or will you blame Michelle Obama and the alleged whitey tape?

Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago

Yeah, I've heard about that. When is Hillary going to release it?

cowboyneok · 1 year ago

What is the alleged "whitey tape" and if there is something damning out there it should have been released a long time ago.

Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago

I mean, you chaoser wingnuts are all liars, basically, so let's see or hear it. Come on Hillary, did the GOP give you some "alleged tape" or did your "tdemocratic eam" dig it up themselves?

warsaw · 1 year ago

"Alleged" is the key word here. Such a tape does not even need to exist in order for the smear to work. In fact, in some ways, it is even better if the tape DOES NOT exist for this sort of tactic to work in the long run. It's "alleged" existence is what matters most to those who would use it. This "Tape" meme could conceivably follow Michelle to her grave if it is properly disseminated.

warsaw · 1 year ago

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Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas · 1 year ago

Oh good lord please tell her to go away. This is becoming a junior high girls' lunch period.

Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago

To Hillary and her supporters, please:

http://www.coping.org/grief/stages.htm

Chris From Maine · 1 year ago

Hillary honestly thinks she can beat McCain after this nonsense? It's over.

She needs to go away forever, and take Bill and the rest of the Clinton supporters with them. We will be just fine without their kind in our party.

jcgraham77 · 1 year ago

The dem party would be dead in the water without us. You act like the dem party wins general elections by landslides...we couldn't even beat Bush. How you gonna win without us?

lovepeaceandallthat · 1 year ago

Well, actually we DID beat Bush, twice! Read Mark Crispin Miller's new book. A detailed, but scary, accounting of the 2000 and 2004 elections.

And who is this "us" you say we can't win without? Who, exactly? You certainly can't mean all the people who voted for Hillary in the primaries. Millions of those voters will vote for Obama. That is a fact. And many of them (millions?) probably would never vote for Hillary is their primary was held today.

AND many republicans are voting for Obama... more than anyone ever would have predicted. And Obama is launching an unprecedented voter registration drive. And young people really will make a difference this time, and generally they can't stand Hillary and abhore McCain.

So, I would say that the evil ones stealing the election again is more of a problem than Hillary supporters throwing the election to McCain. And how can you attempt to blackmail us this way, anyway? Are you really a democrat? Do you really really REALLY not like Obama? If so, why? What has he done that is so bad? Answer: nothing. It isn't about Obama with people like you, it is all about Hillary.

I think it is high time that Hillary supporters do some soul searching and ask themselves what they should do for the greater good here. It is difficult to step out of a pattern of defending Hillary, especially when she keeps giving you more fuel to stoke the fire. And you trust her. We don't. So it is easy for us to say: get out of the relationship.

But, still, even if you stay in the relationship you don't have to blackmail us and harm a high-quality candidate like Obama. It isn't like we are "stuck" with Obama. He is a GREAT candidate. Please, wake up and stop harming our country's future.

Over_it · 1 year ago

jc.. Sorry to disrupt your little hissyfit. Your "us" - the rabidly delusional - is not a significant number. Although you think rather highly of yourself, your opinion really is of little consequence - please take it, your stomping and pewling little tantrums, and your vote, and shove them.

John Aravosis · 1 year ago

No, the question is how YOU'RE going to win without us. I'm a guy, it's not going to change my life if Roe v Wade is overturned. McCain invades Iran and starts a draft - so, I don't have kids. You Hillary supporters are making an understandable mistake - you think this is election is about a cult of personality, it's all about the candidate in your mind, not about the country. Well, sorry, but for most of us, it's the future of the country and not the candidate that we care about. So, you need to decide if you care about your country more than you care about Hillary. Then get back to us.

Denverbound · 1 year ago

Your so right it is about the country, so why does it piss you off that some think the Senator Clinton would be better then Senator Obama. Personalty, neither is my first or second choice, but will back who ever it is, meaning Obama. Its now his to lose or win. to win we will all need to to but aside our feelings for each other and remember that the prize is not who is pure in spirit, but winning the goddamn presidency. And don't take my screen name wrong, I'm from Denver and moving back there the week before the convention, great planing uhh.

Denverbound · 1 year ago

"We will be just fine without their kind in our party."

It sure is starting to feel like 72' and 80' all over again. We did not need 'their" kind then , too.

queerunity · 1 year ago

poor hillary, she thought she was queen, she thought she was entitled
http://www.queersunited.blogspot.com

stranded · 1 year ago

Sadly, she actually has beat Obama since February 20. The worse she acts, the more people love her. This country is so screwed up.

Rab · 1 year ago

Isn't there a support group of politicians who have lost primaries and elections that could reach out to her and help her? I can only think of Nixon as being more of sore loser than her and she lost a primary, Nixon lost a presidential election. Good God, help this nightmare end.

Butch1 · 1 year ago

What a curious woman. She will continue to eviscerate Obama right up until Wednesday morning and then play nice? I guess I would never be good a playing politics, I say what I mean to say and not pretend to be nice if it isn't warranted.
On the other hand, what we are seeing is most likely Ms. Clinton's "truer" feelings and what happens Wednesday could be the lie if she makes an attempt to play nice. Watch out for the rabbit-holes. As Alice would say, "curiouser and curiouser."

dciii · 1 year ago

Watching both candidates speeches last night, two things jumped out at me. 1. Hillary begging her supporters to continue financing her failed campaign.
2. When Obama mentioned Hillary there was a polite silence; when Hillary mentioned Obama, her crowd booed and hissed.
Hillary is tacky.

warsaw · 1 year ago

Dear John, It's very generous of you to help Hillary with her math homework. But I must remind you that it is up to Hillary herself to actually take the math test and that you will not be able to sit with her, correcting her mistakes, during the test itself. She will either succeed or she will fail on her own. Hillary's problems with numbers have more to do with her illness than you might suppose. It is the underlying reason that she is here at Quiet Cove Sanitarium. Her remedial math studies are a crucial part of her therapeutic regime and your tutoring efforts, while kindly intended, will have no effect until Hillary begins to accept that the axiomatic nature of mathematics is not capricious and that no matter how much she wants it not to be so, one plus one will always, invariably, add up to two.
Yours truly,
Nurse Ratched

cowboyneok · 1 year ago

LOL

cowboyneok · 1 year ago

Two things:

For all the talk about Obama camp disenfranchising voters, I'm sure the voters in caucus states don't like being DISENFRANCHISED by the Clinton camp!

Secondly, just saw Dubya present a mom and dad with a "medal of honor." There really needs to be something done about this administration and their 24/7 campaign mentality. Someone needs to tell them Scott McClellan already wrote the book on them, and Dubya needs to go take a nap somewhere and STFU! My God, they know how to add insult to injury by propping that narcissistic turd up and letting him grand stand on the honor and dignity of the troops he sent to die in Iraq based on his idea a war would make him a "great" President. That little punk doesn't deserve to TOUCH the medal of honor, much less GIVE IT to the surviving members of those who EARNED that medal!

cowboyneok · 1 year ago

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/02/genera...
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During a videoconference with his national security team and generals, Sanchez writes, Bush launched into what he described as a "confused" pep talk:

"Kick ass!" he quotes the president as saying. "If somebody tries to stop the march to democracy, we will seek them out and kill them! We must be tougher than hell! This Vietnam stuff, this is not even close. It is a mind-set. We can't send that message. It's an excuse to prepare us for withdrawal."

"There is a series of moments and this is one of them. Our will is being tested, but we are resolute. We have a better way. Stay strong! Stay the course! Kill them! Be confident! Prevail! We are going to wipe them out! We are not blinking!"

A White House spokesman had no comment.
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Why does Bu$h still get to publically present the medal of honor?

ikonoklast · 1 year ago

I thought Hillary was the new Lieberman, but now I'm going to change that to Hillary is the new Bush. Maybe Clinton can take over for Perino when this thing wraps up. She would make a good propaganda minister.

Smarmy · 1 year ago

Hillary needs to be stopped. America deserves quiet from her lies. Someone must tell her nationally to STFU.

purplegirl · 1 year ago

I went to the MSNBC link and scrolled down the list of states and who won which by how much....I didn't realize how big Obama's wins had been. There are a few for Clinton where the margin is large, but most of Obama's wins have been by 20+% margins or more.

Maybe Clinton supporters have just been listening to the leader and not looking for themselves? I don't see how any one could look at the hard numbers and deduce that Clinton hasn't lost Big Time.

islalvr · 1 year ago

I need some serious answers to some serious questions: Obviously the Super Dels know the real truth about these claims that HRC is making, so who is she REALLY trying to influence? HRC also knows that the Super Dels know the truth, so what is she REALLY doing? She knows that they know....she knows that we know.....she is not that delusional. What is Really going on here? Positioning for 2012 or 2916? Positioning for a place in the bipartisan (to hear him tell it) McCain cabinet? My God, she tells likes that she knows everyone realizes are lies....she wouldn't make herself look this pathetic without an ulterior reason. Anyone have any ideas?

John Aravosis · 1 year ago

I think she's trying to influence her followers. She's been doing this for 2 months now. Convince her followers that she really won and that the only reason she's not our nominee is because the media and the Democratic party hate women. That way, her followers won't support Obama, he'll lose in the fall, and she can run in 2012. Only explanation I can come up with.

Sage24 · 1 year ago

I agree. She is now acting the rabble rouser, and trying hard to influence her rather naive supporters. She will claim that the nomination was stolen from her. What next? Will she send a bus load of thugs to protest outside Obama's house? That shguld not surprise us, since she has used every Rovian tactic so far.

funknjunk · 1 year ago

Yes, for sure. All you have to do is go to the Hilary Blog or No Quarter, and it's all there for the sane eye to see. These people are crazy. And I love the mass amounts of projection that you get at these places. Sure, I am an Obama supporter, but I would vote for Hilary if she were the nominee. I don't hate her. Yet all I see at these "support" blogs are people talking about how Obama is a Manchurian Candidate, how he's a pig. A scoundrel. A misogynist. A liar. Incompetent. A Race-card player. No evidence, mind you, just BS. And yet, they say that it's the Obama supporters who are hate-filled loons trying to take over the Democratic party. Someone plese explain. Because I don't get it. I NEVER saw the so-called Hilary hatred these people talk about over at Kos or anywhere else. Maybe a stoopid comment or two. But go to No Quarter and it's hate, hate, hate all the live long day. Am I missing something?

petco34 · 1 year ago

Clinton and her supporters are experiencing a bad case of Freudian Defense Mechanism.

The first level of defense is Denial: Refusal to accept external reality because it is too threatening; arguing against an anxiety provoking stimuli by stating it doesn't exist; resolution of emotional conflict and reduce anxiety by refusing to perceive or consciously acknowledge the more unpleasant aspects of external reality.

Hillary: "Obama's winning the popular vote? No he isn't. According to my math...

The next level includes Projection: Primitive form of paranoia. Projection reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the undesirable impulses or desires without becoming consciously aware of them; attributing one's own unacknowledged unacceptable/unwanted thoughts and emotions to another; includes severe prejudice, severe jealousy, hypervigilance to external danger, and "injustice collecting". It is shifting one's unacceptable thoughts, feelings and impulses within oneself onto someone else, such that those same thoughts, feelings, beliefs and motivations as perceived as being possessed by the other.

Clinton supporters: "I'm not a racist, but Obama is. HE HATES ALL WHITE PEOPLE!@!@!@!@!@!@ OMGZ

funknjunk · 1 year ago

I knew I should have taken that Psych 101 course in college..... thanks. :-)

houstonray · 1 year ago

Sounds like the 'lies" leading up to the Iraq War: Just stretch this + leave this out + mention this part but not that part = Total justification.

The Clinton's have totally turned me off as fans of theirs. How sad to screw up a legacy like that...

Sage24 · 1 year ago

It is obvious that Hillary is not only delusional, but insane. I have yet to hear one expert or pundit, say that she is ahead, or can easily win this nomination
She is like a republican - stinks at math. She even reminds me of Bush, who kept saying we are winning the war in Iraq, and that he wants to stay the course!
Hillary wants to stay the course, even though it is a loser's course, and she thinks by saying she is leading, she will magically lead and win.
Only half brained twits will believe that garbage.

Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago

Naw, Hillary isn't insane. She's a lying sack of shit.

red_dwarf · 1 year ago

Actually Dave - it goes beyond that. One would have to have a Ph.D. in psychoanalysis to know for sure. Has to do with the "God put me here to save mankind" complex (similar to, but distinct from, the "ain't I the most wonderful and brilliant human on the planet" complex).

afafkd · 1 year ago

nominating convention
modem
shoe button

Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago

Ya know, I think think the Clinton supporter lady who was in the video who's from New York actually voted for bush twice but supports hillary because she's a woman.

kevinbgoode · 1 year ago

Well, maybe someone needs to ask Hillary if she won more states after receiving the endorsement of Ann Coulter and after Rush announced his "Operation Chaos" campaign to support her. . .

Then her claim has more legitimacy. . .if she adds the disclaimer "I have won more Republican votes who won't vote for me in November" than Obama.

KerrynowCampau · 1 year ago

Hey Hillary supporters, my racist, Rush Limbaugh listening, Bush voting father wants Obama over hillary AND Mcsame.

Doesn't that tell you something?

LawMichigander · 1 year ago

My God I had no idea, I will have to switch my long support of Obama to Hillary now.

blackwolf · 1 year ago

You are joking, right?

blackwolf · 1 year ago

Even Hillary's top supporter, Tom Vilsack, says it's over. There's an article in Huffington post that indicates she's starting to send staff members home. Let's just make sure she's not on the VP ticket.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/02...

teresaInPa · 1 year ago

ROFL, yeah, you really care what Vilsack says or thinks. Come one, lol.

blackwolf · 1 year ago

Not really, just wanted to point out that the top folks on Hllary's team are telling her it's over.

red_dwarf · 1 year ago

Hilliary is delusional. So are heroin and crack addicts.

jr · 1 year ago

fuzzy math dice on Hillary's mirror

kirkaracha · 1 year ago

I just tallied the 14 races held after February 20th, and in fact Hillary won 8 and Obama won 6.

If you count his expected wins in Montana and South Dakota tomorrow, it's 8-8.

teresaInPa · 1 year ago

Party Unity My Ass, John. You and this blog have done enough damage. Now kindly stop being a flaming vicious ass regarding Hillary if what you want is unity.
I despise Obama and there isn't enough room here to repeat all the lies he has told. And who exactly do you expect to vote for him besides the he-man Hillary haterz cluib when you act like this?
You don't get it at all. It is not those of us on the internet you have to worry about/ It is the millions of democrats who are swing voters and will vote for McCain because Obama is not grown-up enough, too sexist, too irresponsible and too gaffe ridden (to say nothing of the fact that he NEVER takes responsibility for anything ) to be president.

PeteWa · 1 year ago

It's like you are looking in the mirror and accusing your reflection of being the other candidate.

funknjunk · 1 year ago

hmmmm. you wade in here, call john names, call Obama names, talk of the damage being done by this blog, talk about lies. You must be from No Quarter, the craziest of crazy blogs there is. Please go back there, and remain a part of the circle-jerk of ignorance and propaganda whcih you have created. Thank you.

fedupwithlies · 1 year ago

You sir cannot read Since Feb. 20 She has won more states
To bad rev.rights buddy Let all you liars call hillary a racist.
thats when he won most of His states. after all He's a new kind of politician, Why did He not tell you to collectivly SHUT UP. He Who lets You rovian frauds do what You did. wait thats what george bush does. You morons used to rail aginst fox and the rest of the right wing garbage for thair treatment of the Clintons. Now You are far benieth tham. Good Luck uniting, DEVIDER

baratunde · 1 year ago

dude. i can't even get upset about this stuff anymore. this movie is almost over, and we know how it ends. allow her the necessary third act theatrics. it doesn't change anything

Busboy · 1 year ago

Taken within context, her statement was factual. Had she not mentioned the Feb 20 date; it would have been a lie. She still has a chance to win. Superdels can change their minds overnight and on a dime. Her supporters are many and rabid. They control a lot of the spigots of cash. If the superdels decide before the convention that Obama can't win the general; then they'll kill his candidacy. IMHO Obama will be the candidate; but it's not a sure thing.

Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago

How you been. Stroms really made a mess of the place here. Got almost a foot of rain in a day.

Busboy · 1 year ago

Been missing your commentary, Incog. Didn't know if it was really you. Glad you're back.

Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago

Everybody called me "glasses guy" here so I went with that. Youincluded . Now you're calling me incog.

Busboy · 1 year ago

I did occassionally call you incog(nito). Glasses guy works for me. Glad you're back so I'll have someone to spar with. Been pretty dead around here.