AMERICAblog: Hillary's staff talks about why she lost
michaelt
· 1 year ago
might want to peruse those rules next time...
rhodydad
· 1 year ago
Yes it is fascinating. Fascinating how HRC didn't seem to have anything to do with her own campaign. They're all shooting each other now, but HRC doesn't seem to get any blame. Typical.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
They neglected to mention that Wolfson comes off as almost as sleazy as Penn.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
And I wouldn't trust Lanny Davis to sell me a watch much less a president.
jr
· 1 year ago
"I'll show you how to get people to pay you large sums of money for nothing"-Mark Penn infomercial
dad
· 1 year ago
kyle/lieberman
TomsOld
· 1 year ago
Like you said months ago, John, clinton dissed you and the press
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
Yeah, I had talked to a lot of reporter friends and heard the same thing from far too many people. If one person says it, you can argue sour grapes. If everyone says it, you have a problem. They didn't want to believe they had a problem because, arrogance was part of their problem.
covo
· 1 year ago
I thought it was cause SHE was so nasty. Whoever was telling her how to act and the constant moving of the goal posts was dead wrong. She lost me at "shame on you Barack Obama." Did she think he was a 3 year old?
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
She lost me at "shame on you Barack Obama." Did she think he was a 3 year old?
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That's when she was taking advice from Bubba, who used that "shame on you" line to a CNN reporter a few weeks earlier.
Big mistake.
caphillprof
· 1 year ago
As you read the article, you really have to ask yourself: if she organizes and runs her campaign like this, do you really want her in the White House? Nobody in charge, people out of their element, flavor of the day, keep changing the goal post, favoring big states over small states, an unwillingness to caucus. We've come very close to Bush III and she was a democrat.
blackwolf
· 1 year ago
Simple enough take on it! Obama will run the country like he runs his campaign.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
Had enough of Dubya and Rove already.
Buh Bye.
PeteWa
· 1 year ago
I think the way Clinton handled "us guys" showed too much about her. To say I remain disgusted is an understatement.
KerrynowCampau
· 1 year ago
Her campaign was revolting.
donotmakemecomedownthere
· 1 year ago
"Mommy, Barry told us that Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy aren't for real."
"Shut up and eat your crow."
catty
· 1 year ago
Hillary 's mistakes: Ursurping the DNC on Fl and Mi,the gas tax ,acting like annie oakley ,shot sipping and beer guzzling,race bailting (she and Bill)constsantly appealing to the lower 80% of the population,nuking Iran.Planting the Rev Wright Info she gave to abc"s Brian Ross ,the email with Barack in Somalia garb.the nafta lie she planted in Ohio before the election with Obama's camapign attached ( this has been traced to her camp ,started about her ) also lies about Bosnia fire, Mark Penn not understanding the delegates allocation, it's not winner take all=stupid,no contingency plan after feb 5,running like Karl Rove(republican attacks) aganist Barack ,endorsing McCain over obama,huge amounts of money spent unwisely thus bankrupting the campaign.Not a well run organization!!!
HereinDC
· 1 year ago
Hillary never went on Stephanie Miller's show Hillary never went on Randi Rhodes show Hillary never went on Olbermann till 5 days before Indania and Ohio. She poo poo'd alot of her audience.
davidkc
· 1 year ago
This bit blew my mind:
"In Iowa, Penn consistently would show polls that were of the eight-way. That was basically meaningless because it wasn't going to be an eight-way race. The candidates that were the second-tier candidates were not going to reach the threshold [of 15%]. The real race was the three-way. But he always focused on the eight-way when we'd start going over the numbers in Iowa. It was frustrating to the state staff and other people as well. It just showed a lack of understanding and a disconnect."
Penn earned millions for his consulting work but didn't even understand the basic rules about the Dems' proportional allocation system. Amazing.
SINGING_TROLL
· 1 year ago
" "In Iowa, Penn consistently would show polls that were of the eight-way. That was basically meaningless because it wasn't going to be an eight-way race. The candidates that were the second-tier candidates were not going to reach the threshold [of 15%]. The real race was the three-way. But he always focused on the eight-way when we'd start going over the numbers in Iowa. It was frustrating to the state staff and other people as well. It just showed a lack of understanding and a disconnect."
Penn earned millions for his consulting work but didn't even understand the basic rules about the Dems' proportional allocation system. Amazing."
Ohhhhh, he understood EXACTLY what he was doing.
I guess the dreaded right-wing smear machine finally got her! lol
Well, whatever it takes.
Seems like the staff should have borrowed Hillary's testicles for a moment to point out having a reichwinger as her advisor was fuckin' stupid.
Indigo
· 1 year ago
The lead sentence says it all when they start talking about "handling you guys." "handling" people is a Repiglican expression to start out with. Whomp! in the head "I could have had a V-8." Yeah, violence and manipulation are remarkable tools in . . . Moldavia, maybe. They don't need to retool, they need to get new people, people who respect people. Oh, but that means dumping Hillary and tossing out the entire manipulative gang. We're working on it. It's called "change."
SINGING_TROLL
· 1 year ago
Full speed ahead!
BorninUSA
· 1 year ago
Waaay back when, I was thrilled with either Clinton or Obama. But she lost me at the very beginning at their debate when she went on and on how she was so honored to be on the platform with Obama and then she turned on him with the famous "shame on you" line.
Bill didn't do her any favors. I honestly never thought he would turn out to be so nasty. Guess I was still living under the illusion that he was a good president and he could have been such an asset for her. When push comes to shove sometimes peoples true colors come out.
Her "advisors" such as Wolfson, Penn and Bill, and probably others, were almost working like they were against her instead of for her.
Hillary came across, to me, as being harsh, bitchy, unreliable. And top that off with the idiots working for her and she really didn't have a chance.
Sadly, a majority of her supporters admitted they voted for her "because she was a woman" and Obama was....."muslim, and oh....you know." If Hillary had dumped Bill, had a really strong team working for her, I think she would have made it. Things just started off wrong and went downhill from there.
Hopefully she has realized her mistakes and will put her confidence and support behind Obama. If she runs again in 8 years and runs a good campaign I would vote for her. But leave Bill home and pick a good team that is for you, not against you.
sittenpretty
· 1 year ago
good riddance to OVERPAID garbage
Pangolin
· 1 year ago
It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that Hillary voted for the Iraq war every time it came up and is now gunning for Iran. American people are too stupid to see if her voting record agrees with their interests.
Nah.
Sugapea
· 1 year ago
Here's another fascinating article from the same site.
"At least the Hillary supporters I know seem to be aware of her more unsavory traits: that she carries a knife with her that she could pull out at any minute. Not so with Obama's fans. It's nearly impossible to get them to admit any wrong in him. Given the choice, I prefer to side with the group that knows their candidate can be a jerk, rather than the group that believes their candidate is Jesus".
That's because there is no wrong in the man! Nobody's perfect, and his fans know it. Seems like you sided with a loser to me.
kiki
· 1 year ago
Hillary's staff talks about why she lost
Plain and simple, the "main reasons" Hillary lost is because of her vote on the war and the close relationship she and her husband has with the Bush's along with the boasting of McCain, her wonderful friend. She should have ran instead of Kerry. She would have won. Her timing is waaaaaaaaay off.
MNUSA
· 1 year ago
It never pays to abuse others whether it be the national press or a busboy. Profanity-laced tirades indicate a need for psychological help and should never be tolerated.
blackwolf
· 1 year ago
Nothing mysterious about all of this to me. She had a bunch of idiots running her campaign. But then, she knew this. She thought everybody would buy the BS...business as usual.
All Comments
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That's when she was taking advice from Bubba, who used that "shame on you" line to a CNN reporter a few weeks earlier.
Big mistake.
Buh Bye.
To say I remain disgusted is an understatement.
"Shut up and eat your crow."
Hillary never went on Randi Rhodes show
Hillary never went on Olbermann till 5 days before Indania and Ohio.
She poo poo'd alot of her audience.
"In Iowa, Penn consistently would show polls that were of the eight-way. That was basically meaningless because it wasn't going to be an eight-way race. The candidates that were the second-tier candidates were not going to reach the threshold [of 15%]. The real race was the three-way. But he always focused on the eight-way when we'd start going over the numbers in Iowa. It was frustrating to the state staff and other people as well. It just showed a lack of understanding and a disconnect."
Penn earned millions for his consulting work but didn't even understand the basic rules about the Dems' proportional allocation system. Amazing.
"In Iowa, Penn consistently would show polls that were of the eight-way. That was basically meaningless because it wasn't going to be an eight-way race. The candidates that were the second-tier candidates were not going to reach the threshold [of 15%]. The real race was the three-way. But he always focused on the eight-way when we'd start going over the numbers in Iowa. It was frustrating to the state staff and other people as well. It just showed a lack of understanding and a disconnect."
Penn earned millions for his consulting work but didn't even understand the basic rules about the Dems' proportional allocation system. Amazing."
Ohhhhh, he understood EXACTLY what he was doing.
I guess the dreaded right-wing smear machine finally got her! lol
Well, whatever it takes.
Seems like the staff should have borrowed Hillary's testicles for a moment to point out having a reichwinger as her advisor was fuckin' stupid.
They don't need to retool, they need to get new people, people who respect people. Oh, but that means dumping Hillary and tossing out the entire manipulative gang.
We're working on it. It's called "change."
Bill didn't do her any favors. I honestly never thought he would turn out to be so nasty. Guess I was still living under the illusion that he was a good president and he could have been such an asset for her. When push comes to shove sometimes peoples true colors come out.
Her "advisors" such as Wolfson, Penn and Bill, and probably others, were almost working like they were against her instead of for her.
Hillary came across, to me, as being harsh, bitchy, unreliable. And top that off with the idiots working for her and she really didn't have a chance.
Sadly, a majority of her supporters admitted they voted for her "because she was a woman" and Obama was....."muslim, and oh....you know." If Hillary had dumped Bill, had a really strong team working for her, I think she would have made it. Things just started off wrong and went downhill from there.
Hopefully she has realized her mistakes and will put her confidence and support behind Obama. If she runs again in 8 years and runs a good campaign I would vote for her. But leave Bill home and pick a good team that is for you, not against you.
Nah.
"At least the Hillary supporters I know seem to be aware of her more unsavory traits: that she carries a knife with her that she could pull out at any minute. Not so with Obama's fans. It's nearly impossible to get them to admit any wrong in him. Given the choice, I prefer to side with the group that knows their candidate can be a jerk, rather than the group that believes their candidate is Jesus".
'Maybe We Can't'
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=331c7...
Plain and simple, the "main reasons" Hillary lost is because of her vote on the war and the close relationship she and her husband has with the Bush's along with the boasting of McCain, her wonderful friend. She should have ran instead of Kerry. She would have won. Her timing is waaaaaaaaay off.