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AMERICAblog: House progressive caucus warns Obama against dropping public option in health care reform after Rahm undercuts reform effort to WSJ

  • met00 · 4 months ago
    Rahm Emanuel has NEVER been a friend to progressives. He has fought progressives at every step of the way. He is the king of "splitting the baby" he talks about doing progressive things, but then places the bocks in so that they won't ever get done.

    As head of the DCCC he went out of his way to fund the furthest right Democrats that he could find. He takes credit for the 06 wins, but in fact his track record is really less than average. It was the true progressives that made 06 the landslide it was, in spite of Rahm Emanuel.

    Rahm Emanuel is part of the right side of the Democratic party. He is GOP-lite. He is a corporatist first and foremost.

    And for anyone who thought that they were going to get any different, remember the left to right skew of the candidates in the Democratic primary.

    from left to right (progressive to corporatist)...

    Dennis Kucinich
    John Edwards
    Chris Dodd
    Bill Richardson
    Barack Obama
    Hillary Clinton
    Joe Biden

    Now look at that list and consider those that were tapped by Obama...

    Yep, the two to the RIGHT of him are part of his executive branch. He also "reached out" to the one just to the left.

    John Edwards got 4.5 delegates. More than Biden. More than Richardson. More than Dodd. And what has he been offered? Bubkus.

    The 06 campaign was built on a strategy from Progressive Dr. Dean. And just what has Dr. Dean been offered? Nada.

    As I staid on myleftnutmeg during the primary campaign. These are NOT progressive Democrats. They are corporatist's and GOP-lite. They are interested in helping corporate America because that who pays their bills (that's who lobbies them and raises money for their elections).

    If progressives want to change the tone, then we have to come up with a funding machine that supports OUR candidates. We have to primary the corporate shills. We have to hammer home the message that GOP-lite is NOT a Democrat and isn't looking out for the interests of the people. We have to build our bench and make sure that the Democratic party represents people, not corporate interests, first.

    What surprises me is that ANYONE expected Obama to be other than what he is.
  • gonzalez · 4 months ago
    Here we are, we finally have the Democrats in power and we can't do anything we need to do in all areas because of these cowards. I can not believe it. If we don't get at least a public option, I will never vote for any of these people again. Including President Obama. NO MORE! We have got to stand up and be counted. Some of these Democrats need to be replaced ib the next election.
  • JohnnieWalker · 4 months ago
    I agree completely start with Mary Landrieu, Joe Liberman, Ben Nelson, and the rest need to go. I am also tired as a life long democrat of being led to the voting booth with like a dog on a leash to vote for these idiots and when the get to Washington they forget WHERE they came from and WHO put them there. They OWE us a public option single payer insurance.

    Let me tell you a story about insurance, I lost a job in 2004 that I had for 8 years, and I was taking care of my chronically ill mother. She died in 2005, I became ill, severely with staph infection the day of her funeral and almost died myself, I had NO insurance, my cobra cost too much and I couldn't get a job, almost 68,000 dollars and a week later I was back home, and wanting to end it all because I would never see the light of day again financially.
    I did apply for financial aid and it was written off, but I was lucky. I sat home wanting to end it all because I was going to lose everything I had. They need to be in that position just ONCE, just ONCE to see what it feels like. Notwithstanding the grief and loss I was experiencing to become suddenly ill, with life threatening illness is a shock, and without insurance, its like you're free falling through space, no net. So they need to start putting themselves in our shoes, and if they don't give us a public option, hold THEM ACCOUNTABLE!!
  • met00 · 4 months ago
    Joe Lieberman did NOT win the Democratic Primary in CT.

    Lamont was being advised by some of Hil Clinton's people and I believe that they told him to "back off" after the primary and that "Joe will do the right thing.". Lamont was set up. The day after the primary he should have been out there attacking Lieberman. Attacking him every day. Attacking his lies. Making him the "loser". But he took the advice of Clintonians who "liked Joe" and so he got his ass handed to him when the CT Repubs all voted for the GOP-Lite they knew rather than the GOP candidate (thank you Karl Rove and the machine).

    You want to go after someone for giving us Lieberman, my guess is that the people to go after were the ones who advised Lamont to "let Joe do the right thing" rather than running a full scale attack on him after the primary. And my guess is that those trails all lead back to Clintonians.

    [Note: I was the person who created timetogojoe.com before anyone even thought of primary'ing Joe. Criminal Robert Novak even lambasted me on CNN... I was so proud. :-) ]
  • gonzalez · 4 months ago
    I had it with these gutless Democrats. I wish there were some people running for office that will stick to their principles. We elected the Democrats to act in our behalf and all they do is try to please the Republicans so if things don't work out, they will not get all the blame. That is called gutless!
  • Dateline_Molly · 4 months ago
    Thanks for sharing your story. :( Glad you pulled through.

    Talk about the shame of a nation.

    Health care is going to be Obama's "Katrina" moment. It took people several years to turn on the Republicans for Iraq, realizing that they were incompetent buffoons and outright theives throwing billions down a shithole.

    I've read, though, that a huge turning point against the Republican party was Katrina. (Even though obviously the Dems were just as bad in not handling it.) Our racism/classism was splashed across every front page in the world.

    Obama backs away from public option = political capital in freefall. Too many Americans are riding this one, watching it unfold. 70% of Americans - that is huge. That is more than just progressives. Every person in Congress should be fighting FOR single payer given the overwhelming support for it across the country.
  • yawn · 4 months ago
    obama has turned out to be a pretty shitty president so far.
  • Indigo · 4 months ago
    Wait a minute! Is Rahm Emmanual in charge while the Obamas are out of town? I don't recall his name on the ballot. I think we should take up the challenge and hound him out of his job.
  • JeepTreats · 4 months ago
    LOL!
  • Busboy · 4 months ago
    I'm getting tired of saying "I told you so". Barack Obama went to a fundamentalist, in your face, racially and ideologically proactive church for 20 years. Rabidly homophobic as in the old testament. He may implement some of the agenda you embrace. But, forget his "gay" agenda. He doesn't have one...
  • John Aravosis · 4 months ago
    Busboy, you're back?! :-)
  • Jophus · 4 months ago
    I can't help but to think that you are Jon Stewart when I see your posts. Not the character, but the man who built the character because we needed him. Please don't tell me that you aren't. I'd like to believe that the real JS is going to step out beyond TDS.
  • timncguy · 4 months ago
    well, except the church Obama attended for 20 years, UNited Curch of Christ, supports marriage equality. It was just Obama who didn't follow that part of his church's doctrine.
  • Butch1 · 4 months ago
    Busboy, we know you never get tired of saying, "I told you so." ;-)
  • Busboy · 4 months ago
    You doing OK, Butch1?
  • Butch1 · 4 months ago
    Not bad for an old man, thanks. I'm still on this side of the turf.
  • Jophus · 4 months ago
    I'd like to give another free lesson in basic negotiating for the administration and our other elected democrats...

    If you want public option, you fight for single-payer. That way when you are negotiating, you get what you want. Then progressives like myself, would support you as well because I want single payer.

    You get what you want, I think I have the chance of getting what I want, and the insurance companies get to stay in practice.

    YOU DO NOT BEGIN NEGOTIATING WITH WHAT YOU WANT! EVER!
  • timncguy · 4 months ago
    the same stupid mistake they made with the stimulus package. Obama started that one out by proposing 30% of the $$ be in tax cuts in order to win over repugs.

    They wanted even MORE since Obama started there. We didn't get enough $$ in infrastructure, we got too much in tax cuts, and still no repug support.

    You don't start the negotiation at the place you want to end up. stupid, stupid, stupid....
  • JeepTreats · 4 months ago
    Right on Jophus!
  • BlueJelloElf · 4 months ago
    But the Democratic party negotiation handbook says that in step one, you give away half of what you want, and in step two, you hint around that you'll give up more if the mean republicans and/or lobbyists want you to!
  • Jophus · 4 months ago
    Those are the people I like to negotiate against. Reason #1 why we need a progressive party.
  • Butch1 · 4 months ago
    I agree!
  • Butch1 · 4 months ago
    Good. Nice to see the progressive part of the democratic Congress grow a spine and start standing up to those in the White House who choose to ignore the will of the people. Kudos also to MoveOn for their support.

    Gibbs is over-stepping his position if he is giving advice, especially homophobic advice to Obama to not attend to our equal rights. He is the mouth-piece of the White House and he should only say what the WH wants him to say. No one hired him for his council.
  • Gorgonzola · 4 months ago
    The healthcare mafia dons are not about to give up their hundred million dollar annual bonuses even if they have to bribe all 100 Senators.
  • chris10858 · 4 months ago
    I have said this before but I'll say it again: I think real progressives need to work on getting people like Rahm Emanuel out of power within the Democratic Party and the Obama Administration. If we can stand up and inflict enough political muscle to get someone like him cast out, then I think it will send a shudder throughout Washington that we are a force not to be reckoned with.
  • SCLiberal · 4 months ago
    I've always thought Rahm was one of the behind the scenes workers to derail Howard Dean's campaign. That right there tells you what a corporate mouthpiece he is.
  • JohnnieWalker · 4 months ago
    Have never liked Rahm Emmanuel or Steny Hoyer.......and I cringed when he chose Rahm, too f'ng conservative.

    There had better be a single payer public option or it isn't worth having. I think the scenario is in general that Obama is pretty liberal, he has the two policy wonks of Rahm, and Gibbs whispering in his ears, to be more middle of the road or he will lose his popularity, can't be TOO liberal...

    As far as him attending a fundamentalist church, well I am not sure how that would affect his view point, but why would he campaign so hard for the gay vote, for change you can beleive in. I tend to think that Rahm needs to go, and so does Gibbs, he needs to be free of these conservative dems.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 4 months ago
    Joe Biden and Rahm Emanuel need to STFU.

    My man Obama has had to "clarify" their stupidity in one news cycle.
  • Mike_H · 4 months ago
    So in many ways, what happens to health care may be a good indicator of how we should fight for gay rights legislation.

    If MoveOn and the Progressive Caucus' push back works, they've given us a blueprint. If it doesn't work, we know we have to do something different from -- or something in addition to -- their pushback.
  • mf_roe · 4 months ago
    The dems really didn't celebrate Franken's arrival in the senate because they now HAVE to produce on their promises. Many dems are as "OWNED" by the ruling class as the repugs are. They now have no excuse for not doing it RIGHT, settling for half measures at this point is nothing less than malfeasance, if not outright fraud. If the citizens don't demand that promises be honored then we deserve no better than we will get
  • peep24 · 4 months ago
    Now I'm getting REALLY pissed off. The public option is a necessity. I guess I was a fool for believing in a politician, whatever his background and temperament. I just hope he proves me wrong now and does the right thing for the public.
  • Ron in Indiana · 4 months ago
    Speaking as former historian (former becuase history doesn't pay the bills), I think what we're seeing is really very typical of new administrations elected as agents of change during pivotal moments of history. Lincoln is a hero to many now, but he was actually very unpopular in the North during much of his presidency because he never moved as fast as the Radical Republicans and Abolitionists wanted him to. But, as he said of himself, he moved slowly but he never moved backwards. Likewise, FDR was much more popular but he did not push the more liberal elements of agenda unless and until the situation in the country allowed him to. As he said to the union leaders and leftists of his day, "I agree with you, now make me do want you want." So the point is this -- Obama is with us in many ways, but he will only go as far or as fast as we push him. That doesn't make him an enemy or a sell-out; that makes him a politician.
  • mikatuva · 4 months ago
    The difference is they did things and appeared to do good. Lincoln was unpopular because there was kind of a Civil War going on. The idea that he had a cabinet of rivals is pop history at best. His real rivals were wearing grey.
  • Ron in Indiana · 4 months ago
    Actually, Lincoln was unpopular because the war seemed to go so badly for the North. Many Northerners felt that he did not push the military hard enough, but then attacked him when military actions resulted in heavy casualties. The bigger difference that I see is that both Lincoln and FDR were elected following decades long activism on the part of groups existing independently of elected politicians. Abolitionists had agitated for decades and had laid something of a groundwork for emancipation, and socialists and unionists had become very influential at times in the four decades preceeding FDR's election in 1932. Indeed, the socialist candidate for president won more than 900,000 popular votes in 1920. Progressives haven't been able to do anything nearly as big in the last four decades (indeed, liberal was almost a dirty word for a while). If liberals and Progressives want Obama to be their man now, then I think they need to be willing to fight; and this includes fighting the reactionary Republicans and the waffling Democrats. What they can't do is walk away from the action with the excuse that Obama betrayed them. Obama will go as far as he is pushed to go.
  • SCLiberal · 4 months ago
    I agree. Societal changes have always come from the bottom up. As Howard Zinn's book A People's History of the United States shows, there has been a great deal of public protest and push throughout our history, much of it NOT taught in schools.
  • GrooveBoy · 4 months ago
    All well and good but what we need right now is a leader in the White House. The last thing we need is another damn politician.
  • eclare · 4 months ago
    The backtracking on health care is especially poignant because so many "progressive" "allies" were quick to tell the LGBT community and its supporters that health care was more important and we should all just sit down and shut up. If Health Care reform fails once again, it cannot be blamed on teh gayz or on the progressive movement. It will fall squarely on Obama and Senate Dems.
  • BRob · 4 months ago
    This item goes to the heart of why I voted disapproval in your poll, even though I think Obama has done a lot of things right. But I cannot accept his reneging on his promises to the GLBT community plus his wobbling on the public option as part of legislation that he regards as high on his agenda plus his choice of Wall Streeters who created the problem to develop a plan to solve it plus his following the Bush approach to transparency in matters of civil rights, torture, etc. I had thought a prof. of Consitutional law would leap at the chance to revitalize the administration's allegience to it. Like you, I was an enthusiastic supporter in the beginning, but now I see too many cave-ins to the Republicans (including the so-called Centrist Democrats). Unhappily, the progressive movement does not seem to have a champion in Pres. Obama.
  • Gorgonzola · 4 months ago
    Duplicate comment removed.
  • HelenRainier · 4 months ago
    Just curious but WHY is Rahm sticking his nose into this? Why is he talking about what he is in favor of? He is the Chief of Staff of the White House staff. Maybe I'm mistaken, but isn't a CoS basically an administrative assistant who makes sure that things run smoothly? It's not his place to discussing what policy issues are.

    Seems to me like Rahm is getting too big for his britches and needs to be taken down a peg or two.
  • shell · 4 months ago
    We didn't vote for Rahm or Gibbs. At least I didn't. So they may whisper all they like in Obama's ear.

    YOU are the POTUS, Barack. Act like it.
  • woodka · 4 months ago
    Rahm is a weasel.

    I don't think they get how hard the progressive community can fight, and that we are very united on many issues...
  • jasonut29 · 4 months ago
    One more group of people are now going to be screwed by this administration; what a surprise. Maybe once again there needs to be a huge blog and internet outcry. Not that we think they actually listened but maybe now that there are some dems screaming it will help. The Pres needs to get a strong message his supporters expect his promises to be kept. We didn't elect Emanuel or Gibbs and I really don't care what their opinion is...the Pres best pull his head out before he looses anymore supporters
  • Marvin · 4 months ago
    I'm glad folks are holding the administration's feet to the fire on this one. It's just too important not to get it done. And I think the admin. would be crazy not to think that fixing public health care is also a HUGE political win. You help some poor Republicans get health care ... and well you might have some new Democrats.
  • smallhandff · 4 months ago
    I'm distressed to read the House Progressive Causus is NOT 100% unanimous in their opposition. When Rep Grajalva cites a "majority", does he mean only 51%?
  • SCLiberal · 4 months ago
    May I suggest that any donation you would have given to the Democrats, you now give to MoveOn.org? Give it to someone who speaks FOR you not AT you.
  • Soundboy_jeff_meanie · 4 months ago
    as I said yesterday when referring to rham...

    kick the douchebag out.

    and I was being polite.