AMERICAblog: How did Paul Krugman become such an apologist for the Clinton campaign?
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Hillary and the gaggle of all of her wealthy old, many with dual citizenship, supports needs to sit back in the rocking chair and be content with what they have as their time has past. No apologies necessary.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
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Hillary and the gaggle of all of her wealthy old, many with dual citizenship, supporters need to sit back in the rocking chair and be content with what they have as their time has past. No apologies necessary. The can fondly look back and admire Hillary as Bush I supporters look back and admire Barbara Bush.
nicho
· 1 year ago
You made me laugh. I had a very unproductive conversation Saturday morning with a friend who is a die-hard Hillary supporter. He is old, wealthy, and holds dual citizenship. In fact, he leaves in two weeks for his summer sojourn at the family farm in Europe.
ekwhite
· 1 year ago
Obama does have a problem with older white voters, but I think it can be overcome. I had a conversation with my brother, age 59, on Saturday in which the campaign came up. His question was, isn't Obama the guy whose preacher hates black people? I discussed this with him a bit, bringing up McCain's crazy pastor, and he agreed to vote for Obama in the general.
We know that the more people get to know Obama, the more they like him. Vigorous campaigning, addressing the concerns of poor whites, will go a long way towards erasing ignorance like my brother's.
ron071
· 1 year ago
Paul Krugman needs a careful look in the mirror before he contributes any further to the Clinton's damage and destruction campaign. Paul, are you a Democrat or what?
nicho
· 1 year ago
Paul Krugman, like so many other people, stumbles badly when he steps outside of his area of expertise. I defer to him on economics, but when he wanders into politics, while he has a right to his opinion, he has no more credibility or authority than the guy who cuts my hair.
sherifffruitfly
· 1 year ago
If Obama were white, and had the lead he currently has, and has had, would Clinton and the SDs be dragging out this race?
I'm not sure myself - I can see arguments either way on the question.
shrrrr
· 1 year ago
At this rate, the convention in Denver is going have the look and feel of a divorce court. And ever so bitter.
lynchie
· 1 year ago
So let me understand his logic. In all political contests in the future if the losing candidate doesn't like the outcome then they invoke the Hillary Rule, this automatically overturns the results and gives the loser the contest. Is there never a time when the Clintons don't threaten, object, change the rules, threaten, invoke assassination, bring in the white supremacists, threaten to take votes to the Republicans, add a little crying, claim you are the Commander in Chief because you remember Kosova and being under fire, threaten, win New Hampshire with the Alligator Tears, threaten to cut off funding to the Party, invoke he isn't a Muyslim as far as you know, claim words mean something and deny what you said about something tragic happening, try to buy Super Delegates and at the end of the day, she doesn't have enough votes, enough Delegates or the ability, talent and ethics to get rid of this elitist, up start, black man from Illinois. In this whole fucking soap opera it is someone else's fault never the mismanaged, poorly organized, unqualifed candidacy of Hillary Clinton.
Mike_G
· 1 year ago
My preferred candidate already dropped out, so I'm voting for the party's eventual nominee instead of pouting about it. They need to grow the fuck up.
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 1 year ago
How does this sound: Many grass-roots Romney supporters feel that he has received unfair, even grotesque treatment ("magic underpants wearer" etc.). And the lingering bitterness from the primary campaign could cost McCain the White House. OR: Many grass-roots Huckabee supporters feel that he has recieved unfair, even grotesque treatment ("Bible Belt anti-abortionist"). And the lingering bitterness from the primary campaign could cost McCain the White House. NO: it's always about poor, victimized Hillary and her poor, disenfranchised victimized supporters. Even the other Republican and Democratic candidates knew when it was time to leave, instead of whining about staying in the race until every vote was counted, and continuing to run against mathematical impossibility and the well-established ground rules in order to "allow" their supporters' voices to be heard.
HILLARY, IF YOU CANNOT STAND THE HEAT, GET OUT OF THE KICTHEN DAMN IT.
Stop whinning and complaining.
Andrew
· 1 year ago
Krugman should stick to economics rather than pandering to the mellenial and Mr. Rogers crowd. Yeah Hillary, your special but not special enough to become the president of the United States.
jr
· 1 year ago
Hillary's supporters blogs are covered in Obama hit pieces even after he has the majority of pledged delegates. Our senate, house and governor candidates are having to have roadside lemonade stands to raise money because bike money thief Hillary's big donors are being middle aged and elderly babies. She is destroying our party's image in the African American community
Indigo
· 1 year ago
If Obama were white . . . Obama is half white, regardless of where the emphasis falls . . . and I don't believe it would make much difference either way. The Clinton crowd is so used to the accolades of the re-orangized DNC Democrats that they failed to notice when the old school democratic Democrats took control.
They're out of touch, they're off base, they sense the extent of their collapse, and they're desperate. They realize that their little Boomer Boom is busted, time goes on, leaving them behind and have no place to turn other than to act out like Neo-Cons suffering from terminal Reaganitis.
It's sad in a way, but they'll soon be gone and we can look back and laugh. The laughter is what frightens them but I think they'll be fine. Roatan and the Grand Caymans and Gutter make excellet hideouts. They'll be fine.
Note to Billary and all: Don't look back, just go!
Coming Undone
· 1 year ago
Hilary has managed to make a victim out of Paul Krugman.
Her supporters always say that she is strong and she is a fighter but then as soon as she loses then they turn her into this wimp that everyone disrespected and everybody is just so mean to her to this poor woman.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
OT:
All this renewed talk about Appalachia reminds me that Obama privately promised John Edwards that he'd undertake a poverty tour in the general election. Why not take that tour, with Edwards at his side, right through the heart of Appalachia?
As an economist, Krugman makes a lousy political analyst.
kl8n
· 1 year ago
The Clinton camp's twisted sense of logic is tiring. You'd better give her the nomination because her big money donors will take their toys and go home. You'd better give her the nod because many of her supporters will opt to sit at home and pout in November if you don't. You'd better give her the nomination because all those white folks in the states she won will vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee. You'd better give her the nomination because American women will only be inspired if she wins, not if she merely runs the most successful campaign a woman has ever run for the presidency in the history of our nation.
What a load of crap.
For every big money donor that so supports Clinton that they feel they must withhold their precious cash should she be defeated, there are thousands of small money donors who will give repeatedly.
Many Clinton supporters will be disappointed when she finally faces facts and bows out, but do you really think, given the choice between Obama and McCain, that they'll all choose the latter over the former? Really? All these supposedly hardcore Hillary fanatics who are so hungry to see the female cause advanced are going to vote for an anti-choice old man who lives off his wife's riches and spends every free second sucking up to religious fascists? Really?
And for the hardest of hardcore Clintonistas, those who have been, as has been asserted repeatedly by the Clinton campaign, so inspired to get involved in the process, in the great national conversation, by the possibility of the first woman President of the United States... now that they're engaged and involved, do you honestly think sour grapes are going to make them deaf to the messages of her opponent all the way to November?
And do you think that the candidate who came from behind, who went from national obscurity to defeating a woman whose last name has been synonymous with "Democrat" for the last decade and a half can't manage to draw enough new supporters to overcome the loss of the few Clinton supporters who will either cast their lot with John McCain or stay at home come November?
Please.
But then again, expecting anything but relativism from a Clinton is like expecting rain to fall up instead of down....
We should follow Senator Obama's lead and ignore her. Let her and her dupes keep showing how their ambition for power is, as it always had, clouding their judgment.
Zang
· 1 year ago
Hillary did not receive this treatment from the Obama camp, she and her campaign received it from the media and republican concern trolls.
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
Unbelievable. Even after Clinton said she didn't consult with economists on her "gas tax holiday."
Krugman must be a masochist.; after all, he dismissed her gas tax proposal...does he like her whip or something? Come on, Paul, 'fess up!
blackwolf
· 1 year ago
It's scarry what people will believe. It worries me. Hillary and her campaign understand the weakness of human nature all too well.
BRob
· 1 year ago
Agree, Joe, Bring back the old Krugman. I know he strongly prefers Hillary's health care plan to Obama's, but today's op-ed admits that Obama's stance is much more "worker-friendly" than McCain's. So, what's the beef? It's disheartening to think that Krugman really thinks that Obama's camp have "demonized" Hillary but that her camp has never landed low blows. Just check the list of Keith Olbermann's "we forgive you for..." for some examples to the contrary. And to call the reaction to Hillary's RFK comments a "fake scandal" just exposes Krugman's ignorance of how comments like hers, which a Krugman dismisses quickly, is treated as permission and a challenge by the large number of hate-groups we harbor in our country. Just listen to the Fox News segment featuring Liz Trotta to begin to understand how Hillary's "innocent" comment is embroidered by "respectable" people and then ingested and acted upon in a violent way. Yes, bring back the old Krugman and persuade him that Obama's platform is much more complementary to his beliefs than Hillary's--because it is.
Coming Undone
· 1 year ago
I get the feeling that the Clinton's are setting up for an Independent run. All they do now is talk about how bad Hillary has been treated and that the party is trying to steal the nomination from her.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Could very well be the case. I always thought Obama should run as a third party if the dems stole the nomination from him. A three way race would be interesting.
ekwhite
· 1 year ago
An independent run would be an unmitigated disaster for the Democratic party AND for Hillary Clinton. I don't think she would go there because of the consequences.
I still think she is trying to either get the VP slot or screw up the Obama campaign enough that she can run again as a Democrat. Or she actually IS waiting for a disaster like an Obama assassination.
mirth
· 1 year ago
I always dig your comments and I think there is merit in your suspicion.
The blue-tinged arm of the Corporate Party, represented by Hillary Rotten Clinton, will not easily relinquish the gains of their incremental coup d'etat. If she cannot win outright, then to divide the Dem vote this year fits with a McCain win now and she gets another try next go-round.
These days it's impossible not to give weight to conspiracies.
If this government thinks it has the authority (it clearly does not) and does invade private homes of American citizens without a warrant and imprisons those kidnapped without an arrest warrant then the goverment must fall and fall very hard and those at the head of the government must be held accountable (Mussolini fashion would be preferable). DC needs a citizen lead catastrophe that removes those in charge and hopefully the election will deliver what is so sorely needed.
alfannaan
· 1 year ago
this part of Krugman's piece really had me going.....
"Mrs. Clinton needs to do her part: she needs to be careful not to act as a spoiler during what’s left of the primary, she needs to bow out gracefully if, as seems almost certain, Mr. Obama receives the nod, and she needs to campaign strongly for the nominee once the convention is over. She has said she’ll do that, and there’s no reason to believe that she doesn’t mean it."
1) She had failed miserably at the first thing and 2) there's every reason to believe she may not do the 2nd. What's he smoking?
debrazza
· 1 year ago
You want to see how much intellectual integrity Krugman has in defense of the Clintons? Compare his threats now that Clinton supporters will not support Obama with what he said previously when he thought, without any evidence, that Obama supporters would not support Clinton.
Krugman is now contradicting articles he wrote just weeks ago. It's official, he's gone wingnut.
BionicBlonde
· 1 year ago
Paul Krugman really reflects the ideas of MANY democrats--those who are not ready to throw out the baby with the bathwater. He knows of what he speaks and writes. Obama is a good candidate--but he will need the support of the Hillary voters to really achieve victory in November. Again, some people should respect the process and both candidates. "I want it all and I want it now" is not an effective strategy.
Sugapea
· 1 year ago
Joe...If only the Obama Peeps would step back and realize that the absolute best combo-ticket for the Dems would be Obama and Clinton. There's no other candidate out there that Obama could possibly pick who comes close to the 'fire-in-the-belly' that Clinton possesses...not to mention the huge number of votes she has amassed!
I risk more negative votes here...but sincerely only want the best-most spectacular Democratic winning ticket...so that we can finally pick up the pieces and put this beautiful nation back on track!
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Clinton has become an embarassment and an abomination. She must not be on the ticket. Obama will lose more vioters than he has.
lynchie
· 1 year ago
The opportunity for a Obama/Clinton ticket is now dust after the assassination comment. How does she now become his running mate after the racial bias she has shown, the white working people comment, the choose your words comment, the lies with Kosovo, the "as far as I know he is not a muslim", the McCain is more qualified crack, the phone call at 3 am to the scary blackman. No Sugapea that bus has left the station. When Hillary started to see she was doomed she started personally attacking him and her opportunity went down the shower drain with her campaign.
gonzalez
· 1 year ago
Screw the Clintons. They did this to themselves!
MorgaineSwann
· 1 year ago
Make no mistake - women will not risk losing Roe v. Wade. Our physical autonomy is going to take precedence over whatever bickering happens right now. The real harm Hillary is doing is keeping us from focusing on getting a fair election in Nov. The Republicans still control the voting machines. Obama is a better choice because they won't dare steal it from him, I don't think. I think the Republicans believe Obama will be the candidate and that's why they let McCain have the nomination - he's a sacrificial lamb they're putting up so they take a dive this time around. 2012, on the other hand, could get really ugly.
Clinton, on the other hand, might steal it herself, then change very little. I've lost such trust and respect for her, that I actually think she may be working a deal with Rove and Co.
Obama has been very classy in dealing with her. I almost wish he could blast her, but he won't. He's going to stay on the high road because that's what's working for his campaign.
Manhattan
· 1 year ago
I support Obama, but I wonder if these daily screeds on the "Evil One" Hillary is a good thing for the party or the nominee. If you look back it in politics some campaigns such as Kennedys & Johnson's went right up to the convention, so in political terms this type of crap is nothing new.
I realize her dialogue is self serving and disengenious, for the greater part of it i agree with much of what the blogs have to say, but I had to step back and say that we need to help bring the party togethor and not alienate those who are supporting her, regardless of what the pollsters say, I do think she is doing more damage than she realizes, but she may end up being the VP nominee regardless.
Upland_Oddball
· 1 year ago
As I see it, there are two types of Clinton supporters, who can be differentiated by what they have been exposed to vis-a-vis this campaign. The far smaller group are those who check into blogsites like this one, or who otherwise connect regularly with advocates of both campaigns. The far larger group are those whose only steady exposure is through printed or broadcast media. Those of the smaller group have real reason to be angry and resentful because they have seen and heard the counterattack from Obama forces once Billary decided to get personal and go negative on Barack Obama. They have lost the debate consistently, and have been reduced to defeinding the absurd and the illibeeral. It doesn't help at all that since May, when the Obama forces more than once seemed to let up, hoping that by pulling back the criticism they may get the Clinton camp to reciprocate, Hillary herself, or one of her surrogates drops another incendiary bomb into the still and inflames the situation once again. That amps up the vitriol in this room, as well as throughout the web, and further embitters he debate.
But for the vast majority of Hillary supporters, what has been said in this room, in other rooms like it, or on college campuses, or other get togethers of wonks and activists, is totally unknown. They haven't heard it, so this is not the cause behind their bitterness. If they are as bitter and vengeful as Krugman and others indicate, the explanation has to lie elsewhere other than what the Obama camp has done or said via the MSM. Other than vigorously and promptly defending itself from Clinton bombs, the Obama campaign has not matched the negativity or absurdity of the Clinton camp in the arena of the MSM. In this room Yes, but out there NO. My guess as to where this broader anger comes form is that it is displaced anger and resentment , dumped on Obama because he had the temerity to stand up to Clinton's inevitability and expose her weaknesses. I especially sense that many women are now focusing their anger, created by the dashed hopes they had in 2008 for a feminist breakthrough, onto Obama. The same is true for many White men, who have made Obama into a Boogey-man equal to the worst attributes they still attribute to the generic Black man in their deepest thoughts. There is real hope that time and exposure to the real Barack Obama, standing on the stage next to McCain, and with Hillary as either his VP candidate or off the stage entirely, will bring sanity and soberness to these off-kilter mindsets. Otherwise, write them off to McCain and build up a winning majority of new, first-time voters and voters who had lately dropped out of the system due to disgust at the meager choices they've been offered.
BelieveInObama
· 1 year ago
Krugman has clearly become a shill for Hillary as has John Amato of CrooksAndLiars.com
They both are trying to spin Hillary's threats against Obama through some rose-colored glasses in which she isnt' the racist witch we know. We all know exactly what Hillary meant by ominously mentioning John Kennedy in the context of Obama. The DNC cannot tolerate this despicable hate speech from the Clintons any more. Both Democrats and Republicans are unanimous in condemning the corrupt and bigoted Clintons and this needs to be covered in the media big time.
Americablog, DrudgeReport, and Politico have done a good job catching Hillary in her true voice with threats against Obama. We can't let the media try to spin it in her favor. We have got to keep reiterating what we know she meant. If she continues with such language, I honestly believe the secret service should step in to curb her vicious threats as they should have done for Vince Foster.
warsaw
· 1 year ago
Hillary's gafffe (there's a pale word for what she did if there ever was one) about RFK was less about politics than about the psychology of the woman. Krugman shouldn't leave the tight and warm cocoon of economics. His degrees in that field a priori mean that he knows nothing about psychology. I can think of no two other academic disciplines that have less to do with one another. One need know nothing of psychology to understand economics and vice-versa. (unless you're having trouble paying your shrink bill) Krugman writing about Hillary's intention is like Dr. Ruth writing about the sifting economic markets in Uganda. Another small guy shriveling before the imaginary gigantic specter of Hillary.
The chosen one does not have to attack Clinton when he has Douche bags doing it for him. Every ass kisser in this oh so independent new media has lined up to outdo each other in coming up with any douche bag rumor and accusation that they can hurl at Clinton and then they expect Clinton supporters to kneel and kiss ass along with them. First we were told they did not need the older woman vote, then it was the Latino vote they could win without, then it was those poor and middle class voters they could do without. Well guess what these voters have always been and will always be the heart of the Democratic party. If you think Obama can win with the rich white vote, the kiddie vote and the black vote while insulting the rest of us then good luck and say hello to President John McCain.
gregjones
· 1 year ago
From Blacks4Barack ! Demand To DNC: Kick Hillary Out NOW ! Insinuates That Obama Could Be ASSASSINATED !
Now, things have gone way too far. Friday, in an appearance in South Dakota, Hillary Clinton justified her reason for staying in the campaign by referring to the fact that presidential hopeful 'Robert Kennedy was assasinated in June'...implying that the same could occur to senator Obama. THIS IS SICK !!! Regardless of how the pundits try to spin this as just another misspeak, the statement speaks for itself and displays the diobolical mentality of Hillary Clinton.
It is unclear as to whether she is actually hoping that Obama would be killed, therefore giving her an open path to the Democratic nomination, or if she may be signaling her desire to some sick, warp minded homicidal maniac. Whichever be the case, her statement is automatic grounds for the Democratic National Committee headed by Howard Dean to demand that she remove herself from the race. If he does not, American Democrats should demand HIS stepping down !
This can not be tolerated. ANYONE who would wish the death of another human being in order to win a political position is sick, dangerous, maniacal, deranged and totally unfit for any political position, particularly President .
CONTACT THE DNC.... HILLARY MUST BE EXPELLED NOW !!!! FLOOD THE PHONE LINES...CALL THE DNC TODAY !!!
CALL DNC: 202-863-8000 HILLARY SHOULD BE BANNED FROM ALL POLITICS INCLUDING N.Y. SENATE !!!!!!!
The democrats do not have the courage needed to make the decision for Obama. Nothing new here. "NO COJONES" I have offered them some of my cojones but, so far no takers.
ikonoklast
· 1 year ago
Hey everybody, let's all vote for the Pity-Me President, because she says life is unfair and she's going to cry about it now. What's Hillary going to do if elected, solve all U.S. problems through guilt-based policy initiatives?
Call me a sexist pig, but isn't Hillary doing her damndest to try and justify all the worst sterotypes about women and why they shouldn't be allowed in the boy's club? The sulking, the pouting, the tantrums, the lack of logic, the irrationality, the mood swings, the scheming, etc. If I were a woman interested in expanding women's place in goverment, the last person in the world I would be backing is Hillary Clinton.
Jimbo62
· 1 year ago
It is strange how normally reasonable people can be such blind loyalists. Seeing past all sorts of things that would normally set people off, buying into every little tactic no matter how crazy it is. I guess I expect that with republicans, but it is strange to observe it within my own party. I've lost a lot of respect for a lot of these folks.
Bubbles
· 1 year ago
Hate to see it. But Krugs is out in the wilderness here. He needs to come on in.
Bubbles
· 1 year ago
Churchill once said about the Germans: "They are either at your feet or at your throat."
One minute Hillary's a fighter, the next she's in tears over the unfairness of it all.
Meanwhile she's lied from here to high heaven and invoked the assassination of her rival.
Like Bush she's unwilling to admit a mistake but more than willing to use power to carry out vindictiveness against her rivals. Krugman's overlooking all of this.
The manic qualities of her campaign give one pause.
Rab
· 1 year ago
I use to listen to Krugman on the Franken show and he was usually dead on in his economic assessments. I don't care for the last columns of his on Obama. I wonder if he tied his wagon so solid to Hillary (maybe a promise of a job?) that he can't back down. I too want the old Krugman back.
lovepeaceandallthat
· 1 year ago
I agree! I only know him from the Franken show, in fact. I can't stand the editorial pages so I miss lots of columnists opinions.
I loved him on the Franken show, but I guess he didn't talk much about the Clintons back then. Seems so long ago!!!
tbhull
· 1 year ago
How long before his abuse of chicken fried steaks and southern sluts cause Bill Clinton's heart to explode?
SociologistTina
· 1 year ago
I agree with Markos. If Krugman, the great social analyst to whom millions look to and revere, is going to make a remark like that, the least he could do is back it up.
ron071
· 1 year ago
I'm afraid that the " old " Paul Krugman is gone the way of Ralph Nader- never to return to any with a modicum of memory.
Daniel73
· 1 year ago
You people sound just like Bush. If they don't agree with us then we must destroy them.
All Comments
Hillary and the gaggle of all of her wealthy old, many with dual citizenship, supporters need to sit back in the rocking chair and be content with what they have as their time has past. No apologies necessary. The can fondly look back and admire Hillary as Bush I supporters look back and admire Barbara Bush.
We know that the more people get to know Obama, the more they like him. Vigorous campaigning, addressing the concerns of poor whites, will go a long way towards erasing ignorance like my brother's.
I'm not sure myself - I can see arguments either way on the question.
Is there never a time when the Clintons don't threaten, object, change the rules, threaten, invoke assassination, bring in the white supremacists, threaten to take votes to the Republicans, add a little crying, claim you are the Commander in Chief because you remember Kosova and being under fire, threaten, win New Hampshire with the Alligator Tears, threaten to cut off funding to the Party, invoke he isn't a Muyslim as far as you know, claim words mean something and deny what you said about something tragic happening, try to buy Super Delegates and at the end of the day, she doesn't have enough votes, enough Delegates or the ability, talent and ethics to get rid of this elitist, up start, black man from Illinois. In this whole fucking soap opera it is someone else's fault never the mismanaged, poorly organized, unqualifed candidacy of Hillary Clinton.
Many grass-roots Huckabee supporters feel that he has recieved unfair, even grotesque treatment ("Bible Belt anti-abortionist"). And the lingering bitterness from the primary campaign could cost McCain the White House.
NO: it's always about poor, victimized Hillary and her poor, disenfranchised victimized supporters. Even the other Republican and Democratic candidates knew when it was time to leave, instead of whining about staying in the race until every vote was counted, and continuing to run against mathematical impossibility and the well-established ground rules in order to "allow" their supporters' voices to be heard.
http://www.queersunited.blogspot.com
Stop whinning and complaining.
They're out of touch, they're off base, they sense the extent of their collapse, and they're desperate. They realize that their little Boomer Boom is busted, time goes on, leaving them behind and have no place to turn other than to act out like Neo-Cons suffering from terminal Reaganitis.
It's sad in a way, but they'll soon be gone and we can look back and laugh. The laughter is what frightens them but I think they'll be fine. Roatan and the Grand Caymans and Gutter make excellet hideouts. They'll be fine.
Note to Billary and all: Don't look back, just go!
Her supporters always say that she is strong and she is a fighter but then as soon as she loses then they turn her into this wimp that everyone disrespected and everybody is just so mean to her to this poor woman.
All this renewed talk about Appalachia reminds me that Obama privately promised John Edwards that he'd undertake a poverty tour in the general election. Why not take that tour, with Edwards at his side, right through the heart of Appalachia?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/26/obamas...
What a load of crap.
For every big money donor that so supports Clinton that they feel they must withhold their precious cash should she be defeated, there are thousands of small money donors who will give repeatedly.
Many Clinton supporters will be disappointed when she finally faces facts and bows out, but do you really think, given the choice between Obama and McCain, that they'll all choose the latter over the former? Really? All these supposedly hardcore Hillary fanatics who are so hungry to see the female cause advanced are going to vote for an anti-choice old man who lives off his wife's riches and spends every free second sucking up to religious fascists? Really?
And for the hardest of hardcore Clintonistas, those who have been, as has been asserted repeatedly by the Clinton campaign, so inspired to get involved in the process, in the great national conversation, by the possibility of the first woman President of the United States... now that they're engaged and involved, do you honestly think sour grapes are going to make them deaf to the messages of her opponent all the way to November?
And do you think that the candidate who came from behind, who went from national obscurity to defeating a woman whose last name has been synonymous with "Democrat" for the last decade and a half can't manage to draw enough new supporters to overcome the loss of the few Clinton supporters who will either cast their lot with John McCain or stay at home come November?
Please.
But then again, expecting anything but relativism from a Clinton is like expecting rain to fall up instead of down....
We should follow Senator Obama's lead and ignore her. Let her and her dupes keep showing how their ambition for power is, as it always had, clouding their judgment.
Krugman must be a masochist.; after all, he dismissed her gas tax proposal...does he like her whip or something? Come on, Paul, 'fess up!
I still think she is trying to either get the VP slot or screw up the Obama campaign enough that she can run again as a Democrat. Or she actually IS waiting for a disaster like an Obama assassination.
The blue-tinged arm of the Corporate Party, represented by Hillary Rotten Clinton, will not easily relinquish the gains of their incremental coup d'etat. If she cannot win outright, then to divide the Dem vote this year fits with a McCain win now and she gets another try next go-round.
These days it's impossible not to give weight to conspiracies.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/25/155...
If this government thinks it has the authority (it clearly does not) and does invade private homes of American citizens without a warrant and imprisons those kidnapped without an arrest warrant then the goverment must fall and fall very hard and those at the head of the government must be held accountable (Mussolini fashion would be preferable). DC needs a citizen lead catastrophe that removes those in charge and hopefully the election will deliver what is so sorely needed.
"Mrs. Clinton needs to do her part: she needs to be careful not to act as a spoiler during what’s left of the primary, she needs to bow out gracefully if, as seems almost certain, Mr. Obama receives the nod, and she needs to campaign strongly for the nominee once the convention is over. She has said she’ll do that, and there’s no reason to believe that she doesn’t mean it."
1) She had failed miserably at the first thing and 2) there's every reason to believe she may not do the 2nd. What's he smoking?
http://halfricanrevolution.blogspot.com/2008/05...
Krugman is now contradicting articles he wrote just weeks ago. It's official, he's gone wingnut.
She has captured half of the popular vote and even more than half...if you count FL and MI...how that fact can be so easily dismissed is beyond me. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/pr...
Please read the following Mario Cuomo interview...and ponder the power of such a 'Blow the Pubs Away' Democratic ticket!
http://www.wnbc.com/politics/16381229/detail.html
I risk more negative votes here...but sincerely only want the best-most spectacular Democratic winning ticket...so that we can finally pick up the pieces and put this beautiful nation back on track!
Clinton, on the other hand, might steal it herself, then change very little. I've lost such trust and respect for her, that I actually think she may be working a deal with Rove and Co.
Obama has been very classy in dealing with her. I almost wish he could blast her, but he won't. He's going to stay on the high road because that's what's working for his campaign.
I realize her dialogue is self serving and disengenious, for the greater part of it i agree with much of what the blogs have to say, but I had to step back and say that we need to help bring the party togethor and not alienate those who are supporting her, regardless of what the pollsters say, I do think she is doing more damage than she realizes, but she may end up being the VP nominee regardless.
But for the vast majority of Hillary supporters, what has been said in this room, in other rooms like it, or on college campuses, or other get togethers of wonks and activists, is totally unknown. They haven't heard it, so this is not the cause behind their bitterness. If they are as bitter and vengeful as Krugman and others indicate, the explanation has to lie elsewhere other than what the Obama camp has done or said via the MSM. Other than vigorously and promptly defending itself from Clinton bombs, the Obama campaign has not matched the negativity or absurdity of the Clinton camp in the arena of the MSM. In this room Yes, but out there NO. My guess as to where this broader anger comes form is that it is displaced anger and resentment , dumped on Obama because he had the temerity to stand up to Clinton's inevitability and expose her weaknesses. I especially sense that many women are now focusing their anger, created by the dashed hopes they had in 2008 for a feminist breakthrough, onto Obama. The same is true for many White men, who have made Obama into a Boogey-man equal to the worst attributes they still attribute to the generic Black man in their deepest thoughts. There is real hope that time and exposure to the real Barack Obama, standing on the stage next to McCain, and with Hillary as either his VP candidate or off the stage entirely, will bring sanity and soberness to these off-kilter mindsets. Otherwise, write them off to McCain and build up a winning majority of new, first-time voters and voters who had lately dropped out of the system due to disgust at the meager choices they've been offered.
They both are trying to spin Hillary's threats against Obama through some rose-colored glasses in which she isnt' the racist witch we know. We all know exactly what Hillary meant by ominously mentioning John Kennedy in the context of Obama. The DNC cannot tolerate this despicable hate speech from the Clintons any more. Both Democrats and Republicans are unanimous in condemning the corrupt and bigoted Clintons and this needs to be covered in the media big time.
Americablog, DrudgeReport, and Politico have done a good job catching Hillary in her true voice with threats against Obama. We can't let the media try to spin it in her favor. We have got to keep reiterating what we know she meant. If she continues with such language, I honestly believe the secret service should step in to curb her vicious threats as they should have done for Vince Foster.
Another small guy shriveling before the imaginary gigantic specter of Hillary.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/25/the-po...
It adds a great deal that was omitted by Ablog.
Demand To DNC: Kick Hillary Out NOW !
Insinuates That Obama Could Be ASSASSINATED !
Now, things have gone way too far. Friday, in an appearance in South Dakota, Hillary Clinton justified her reason for staying in the campaign by referring to the fact that presidential hopeful 'Robert Kennedy was assasinated in June'...implying that the same could occur to senator Obama. THIS IS SICK !!! Regardless of how the pundits try to spin this as just another misspeak, the statement speaks for itself and displays the diobolical mentality of Hillary Clinton.
It is unclear as to whether she is actually hoping that Obama would be killed, therefore giving her an open path to the Democratic nomination, or if she may be signaling her desire to some sick, warp minded homicidal maniac. Whichever be the case, her statement is automatic grounds for the Democratic National Committee headed by Howard Dean to demand that she remove herself from the race. If he does not, American Democrats should demand HIS stepping down !
This can not be tolerated. ANYONE who would wish the death of another human being in order to win a political position is sick, dangerous, maniacal, deranged and totally unfit for any political position, particularly President .
CONTACT THE DNC....
HILLARY MUST BE EXPELLED NOW !!!!
FLOOD THE PHONE LINES...CALL THE DNC TODAY !!!
CALL DNC: 202-863-8000
HILLARY SHOULD BE BANNED FROM ALL POLITICS INCLUDING N.Y. SENATE !!!!!!!
Greg Jones
www.Blacks4Barack.org
Call me a sexist pig, but isn't Hillary doing her damndest to try and justify all the worst sterotypes about women and why they shouldn't be allowed in the boy's club? The sulking, the pouting, the tantrums, the lack of logic, the irrationality, the mood swings, the scheming, etc. If I were a woman interested in expanding women's place in goverment, the last person in the world I would be backing is Hillary Clinton.
One minute Hillary's a fighter, the next she's in tears over the unfairness of it all.
Meanwhile she's lied from here to high heaven and invoked the assassination of her rival.
Like Bush she's unwilling to admit a mistake but more than willing to use power to carry out vindictiveness against her rivals. Krugman's overlooking all of this.
The manic qualities of her campaign give one pause.
I loved him on the Franken show, but I guess he didn't talk much about the Clintons back then. Seems so long ago!!!
Clinton could face uneasy return to Senate:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/05/26/america/...