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AMERICAblog: How John McCain forced me to write about the weird story of Sarah Palin's daughter's pregnancy

  • palmtree1 · 1 year ago
    McCain also lost his Al Haig "Im in Command" moment when the thousands of trained emergency services personnel and government officials turned out to be perfectly capable of handling the situation without him taking credit for their hard work. He can now slink back to the Twin Cities to claim credit ffor it anyway, secure in the knowledge that AP and the credulous journalists who worship him will reprint his account verbatim.
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    Looks like the first casualty of the mudslinging might be Alan Colmes:

    http://townhall.com/blog/g/9b3375c7-6a27-4b5e-9...
  • HelenaMontana · 1 year ago
    So what's Trig short for? Trigger? Isn't that carrying gun enthusiasm a little too far?
  • nicho · 1 year ago
    The other is named Track. I'm thinking she went with "Things you flunked in high school."
  • An_American_Karol · 1 year ago
    funniest thing I've read today.
  • shrrrr · 1 year ago
    Huffington's headline is the best, "Drip, Drip, Drip....Drip"
  • nicho · 1 year ago
    Well, John, they had two choices in mounting a defense:

    1. It's all the fault of the liberal bloggers

    2. John McCain is a batshit crazy old man

    They went with #1.
  • JoyceH · 1 year ago
    What's really idiotic is the claim that they were forced into announcing this by these nasty old rumors.

    DUH? If the daughter is FIVE MONTHS pregnant, they're going to have to announce it right about now anyway.
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    Nah, they would have kept her out of the press's cameras and then after the election they would announce the birth.
  • ydthin · 1 year ago
    Absofreakinglutely.

    And I'm grateful to everyone who had a hand in focusing attention on Palin to the point where they were not allowed to do so.
  • LunaStick · 1 year ago
    I've spent all afternoon watching soap operas.

    I needed a break from all the far-fetched drama of the Palin family.
  • AdrianBrowne · 1 year ago
    If you look at the wingnut websites the RNC is clearly using Sideshow Sarah as a fund drive.

    Sarah Palin: Cash Cow
  • nicho · 1 year ago
    If I looked at the wingnut websites, I'd have to pluck out my eyes to stop the pain.
  • nicho · 1 year ago
    BREAKING: Jerry Springer to moderate vice presidential debate.
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    Where are the "real" reporters? Will they please step forward, none, no one steps forward? Okay, I guess that since REAL reporter cites sources, cites actual quotes no one is qualified to step up to the plate, at least where REpublicans are concerned.

    For Bush, when he declared almost any and everything off limits the reporters obeyed and didn't question. For McCain anything he doesn't like is couched with his POW experience and that shuts them up.

    I am sick of the Fox "he said" , "they said" , "some people think", " someone said". Enough of this BS. Get real about your profession or seek another line of work.
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    The best way for Obama to win is to encourage the progressive blogs to stick to their guns on the story that Bristol is going to marry her lesbian lover and birth the inseminated baby as a way to bring down her mother's candidacy. Kind of an "I'll show you what I've been doing" while mamma hunts moose. Go for it!
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    Lesbian lover??? Is there another new twist to this story. LOL LOL you can be such a pest sometimes.
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    It wasn't I who brought it up...
  • AdrianBrowne · 1 year ago
    I'm waiting for Condoleeza Rice to say "Who could have predicted that the media might delve into the Palin's private life."

    Any way you slice it, McCain and the Republican Party have failed the Palin family. And that's putting the best spin possible on it.
  • Coming Undone · 1 year ago
    If McCain had not tried to pick a soul-mate from Match VP.com and had properly vetted he he would have known that these rumors were started in Alaska and not by Liberal Bloggers. This just shows how McCain is not familiar with the internet and his staff doesn't seem to be either.
    We didn't start the fire.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    Yep--the mean girls in Bristol's high school have been on the story for two months--longer than the MSM or Team McCain.
  • Deacon_Blues · 1 year ago
    Well, I first read about it on DU, and while it titillated a bit (who doesn't glance at the National Enquirer standing in line at the grocery?), I didn't give it much credence -- still don't. Still, it's been making the rounds, to a point where I'm sick of it. Now this business about Palin's poor daughter. Obama is right -- we should just drop it. So Palin's a hypocrite. She's a Republican -- it's kinda part of the job description, right? Let's get back to talking about the economy and the war in Iraq and torture and using our Constitution as toilet paper. Palin will probably pull an Eagleton anyway, and if she does, then we'll have to face either Mittster or Short-Ride Joe. If she doesn't , then I can't wait for the Saint Louis debate.
  • AdrianBrowne · 1 year ago
    McCain did his best when he chose Sarah Palin.
  • mellowjohn · 1 year ago
    the only ones _truly_ responsible for this story are bristol, the guy who impregnated her, and her idiot parents for pushing abstinence-only sex ed. how's that working out for you?

    seriously, as soon as the "who's kid is trig" story started making the rounds, my wife (no conspiracy theorist) said that the repubs – some repubs, anyway – were behind it in an effort to get rid of paiin.
  • ydthin · 1 year ago
    I feel very strongly that a responsible loving parent would have had the foresight to see what would happen once her daughter's pregancy hit the media. She didn't, or she did not care. Her ambition mattered more to her than the scrutiny her daughter might face. That's really sad.
  • DCinDC · 1 year ago
    I know you cannot say this but I can. There is something wrong there. Why not release DNA tests and the birth certificate to refute the rumors? So is Palin the mother or the Grandmother? Easy enough to disprove unless it is true.
  • politigal · 1 year ago
    Markos may have said that today, but on Saturday he published a lengthy piece (written by someone else) that specifically called Palin a liar and asserted that her daughter was the mother of her baby:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137

    So, yeah, one of the leading liberal blogs did push this rumor.
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    which was already coming out of Alaska...
  • John Aravosis · 1 year ago
    No he didn't. I'm sorry, but you don't understand what DailyKos is. It's the same thing as blogger.com. Anyone in the world can create their own blog, their own web page. That's what got published - some stranger wrote something that they could have just as easily written on blogger.com or any other Web site that let's you create your own Web page. Markos didn't publish anything, and he's as responsible for what diarist publish as blogger.com is for what I publish.
  • ydthin · 1 year ago
    Here is what I heard on NPR today: Sarah Palin announced her daughter's pregnancy due to quiet rumors by left-wing bloggers on the internet. No one was named. And the nature of the rumors weren't explained. That translates into: the left-wing bloggers were right.
  • politigal · 1 year ago
    Okay, thanks for clarifying that. However, with the giant DailyKos banner at the top of the page, it's not surprising that it gets associated with the content below it when there's no obvious disclaimer attached to it.
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    good work John A. - all around.

    and thanks for getting on the story when you did. times have changed.
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    The media demanded a DNA test of the John Edwards/Rielle baby. Why isn't the MSM demanding a DNA test of the Downs dyndrome kid or Bristol's fetus?
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    I have a serious question for you as our resident Republican. Do you honestly, I mean honestly, think that Palin was the best candidate that McCain could have picked?
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    Ah, don't ask him.

    He's captivated by her "dirty librarian" glasses and hairdo.
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    She was his best pick. His "base (including moi) were going fishing. I'll contribute to Palin if she asks; but, I've never sent a dime to McCain or the RNC this cycle.
  • martha · 1 year ago
    The only TRUTH about this story is that Sarah Palin had no problem deciding her political ambitions were more important than her daughter. If her daughter is the mother of Trig, or is not - or is pregnant and unwed at 17,- or both, - her mother brought her into the spotlight. I didn't know who Palin was a week ago, but now I know some intimate details about her daughter. Sarah Palin is sick.
  • falloch · 1 year ago
    in other words, Sarah Palin has thrown her own daughter under the bus. Charming.
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    Liberal bloggers are evil. Nyehehehehe!
  • alaskan · 1 year ago
    It's too bad we're focusing on only one child of hers. Her oldest, who was an "early baby" (too bad his birthday is now removed from wikipedia, etc.- but she was dumb enough to announce her wedding anniversary) was given the option to join the Army by a Judge. Alaskans love her and they are protecting her. Not me.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    Like mother, like daughter. GOP Fundamentalist Christian values. And more locally, Valley Trash is as Valley Trash does.
  • ydthin · 1 year ago
    Whoa...back up.

    The dad has the two DUI's right?

    And you are saying that the son got in trouble with the law and was given the choice to enlist or go to jail? Do tell.

    There are 300 million americans, by the way. Less than one percent are Alaskans. Over half of the country are democrats. So don't worry about them, I'm sure you are not alone.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    OK, so prominent liberal bloggers didn't push the story. Bitches like me who post on prominent liberal bloggers' sites did. I congratulate myself and my fellow bitches. Job well done!
  • Upland_Oddball · 1 year ago
    Yes indeed, job well done. Have you picked out your outfit and accessories for the day that is coming soon when you accept your well deserved PULITZER PRIZE. You're fabulous!
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    McCain's liable to say anything.

    Don't know whether it's senility or syphlis, but the twisted little troll is off his rocker.
  • Backgammon · 1 year ago
    I can tell you of one left wing NUT group called Daily Kos which consist of parents who twittered all day Saturday about how to go any extreme to show Palin to be a liar.
    They decided it was best for young Bristol if they got it out in the open so she could raise her Downs Syndrome baby. They went as far as to suggest that it could have been incest from her own father which would explain how a young woman had a Downs baby. Talk about slime bags, The National Enquirer may have to close it's doors if Daily Kos decides upon a publication. It took over 1,900 twitters for someone to decide that they might not be fair in destroying this young womans life, but what the heck, someone has to make Sarah Palin look like a lier. The blog came complete with photos from 2006 showing Bristol with what looks like a bump. Many photos of Palin that she couldn't be preggers, she looked to thin. Booo's to Daily Kos
  • nicho · 1 year ago
    Yes, sites that print the truth should be shut down. It makes it hard for the right-wing corporate media to spread their lies.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    That photo in the ADN is NOT from 2006. It was originally captioned as one of their best of 2008. The ADN got leaned on to lie about their own photo and recaptioned it. Here's the truth: Bristol fucked a boy in her high school. Without protection or birth control. Now deal.
  • lilyannerose · 1 year ago
    A couple of hours ago I found a four month old post on reddit that presented this rumor. Most of the copy on the August 30 - 31 story appeared to be a cut and paste of this post. Appears to be several "teen" postings recently accusing Bristol of all types of misbehaving, I didn't give them any credibility. It would appear that the rumor in part may have been sourced from that posting.

    Apparenltly, there was a lot of gossip within Alaska speculating that mom was covering for the daughter as Palin just did not look pregnant to the woman who had just intererviewed her the day before Palin announced her pregnancy. Face it, until this past week Alaska could have been on Mars as far as the rest of the country is concerned.
  • unpoetaloco · 1 year ago
    A friend of mine just asked a great question: Where's the "father" of Bristol's baby? Is he her age, or is he older? Is this the case of another teenager having sex with a teenager, or is this the case of an older person having sex with an underage girl?
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    That boy's on a remote island in the Aleutians with Vicky Iseman. (The kid had a Facebook page which got pulled over the weekend, supposedly).
  • Slim Cognito · 1 year ago
    I've thought about this and I've come to the conclusion that, if she were a smart woman, she would have thought up a better lie than "my water broke and I got on an 8-hour plane ride to have the baby in Alaska". It would have been "I felt poorly and wanted to go home to be with my family and then went into labor". You know the old adage, "you can't make this stuff up!". So, I think it's SP's baby and she's stupid enough to get on a plane with a broken bag of water (you know what crap goes through the air filtration system on a plane).
  • HarpoSnarx · 1 year ago
    Let the Republican FAKE victimization begin . . .
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    So once again we lowly citizens must shoulder the blame for discussing the complete hypocrisy of yet another fundie winger forced to taste their own ideological medicine...
    Try telling an HIV survivor to react with moderation when the very jingoists who advocated isolation camps in the 80s and abstinence today are left holding the morality bag.
    The false left or right, black or white orientation leaves game players speechless when highly nuanced middle ground conundrums raise their swollen bellies...
  • Joneses · 1 year ago
    So who is the father of the child? I thought Palin hates gays. I am missing something?
  • SouthernYankee · 1 year ago
    All they have to do is look at McCain back room and see Rove. That is what he does well I hear. Read Bushs Brain.
  • ydthin · 1 year ago
    I noticed over and over at Kos people imploring the OP to delete that diary and talking about it being personal and trash and etc. I took over a year off from posting on any internet political sites and one thing that is clear is that people who regularly participate in them can lose compete perspective on what their impact is. It's fine with me if the three people who own those named blogs can say they didn't 'touch' this story, and it's also fine with me that the people who comment and journal on them talked about nothing but. When Obama was quoted as saying he wasn't going to concern himself with that I thought, fine, let us do it. Because Sarah Palin just handed reproductive rights activists the holy grail today when she asked for respect of her daughter and family's privacy. At root all of the arguments on birth control and abortion are based in privacy and sovereignty over one's own body. Sarah Palin wants to take away from Americans precisely what she just asked for today, and this will be thrown in her face over and over again.

    But if we are leaning toward sexism here where male politicians and bloggers won't touch this because it concerns things that only concern women, which are sometimes labed 'personal' when they are extremely important issues to half the population, well, that to me is a little bit sad.
  • DougStamate · 1 year ago
    I have feeling that a number of posters are missing the main point: it's not that Gov. Palin is a poster child for Jerry Springer (even if she is); it's that the Republicans are using the governor's pregnant daughter in a blatantly political maneuver to try and remove the discussion of abstinence-only sex education and abortion from the campaign. And Gov. Palin is going along with it.
    Democrats are going to have to approach both topics more carefully from now on; otherwise the media (egged on by "concern-trolling" pundits) will accuse the Democrats of dragging Palin's family into the campaign.
    From now until November, anytime any Democratic speaker brings up the failures of abstinence-only sex education or a woman's right to have an abortion, some reporter will try to insert Bristol Palin's pregnancy into his/her question, whether it's relevant or not.
    The best way to defuse this will be to feign puzzlement when the question is asked ("What has Gov. Palin's daughter got to do with ...?"). If the reporter continues (and some will, thinking only of the headlines for their story: "Dem attacks Gov. Palin's Pregnant Daughter"), the best response would be Sen. Obama's: family, especially children, are off-limits. End of comment.
    Democrats would then occupy the highly moral plane of not dragging children into politics, while leaving the voters to think whatever they wish about the Republicans.
  • JamesR · 1 year ago
    As John posted below in the thread, the story that's been 'round the net wrapping around Palin's neck like an umbilical cord is uncorroborated, though does contain much dirt. Much.The link to that long long post is here http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/...

    Time will tell if it's true, and it does need to be answered for real one way or another.

    Actually time and REAL INVESTIGATING AND REPORTING will tell.

    This certainly will NOT come from what's loathsomely termed the 'mainstream media.' I prefer purveyors of propaganda be labeled straight up. But "PP" probably sounds too gross. But back OT - Investigation really needs to be done, can't be that hard, but it means some work. Even if the Enquirer has to do it so be it.

    The Republicans can't do it without looking like they're lying, which of course they are doing right now, out their ass(es) because none of them has done any real research themselves, they are just telling a story, 'talking points,' "spinning," or as I was taught properly to say: LYING. Even if they are accidentally telling the truth, they know they do not know if it's true or not but tell it anyway.

    If this is some sort of facebook type smear done by classmates, well, she (Bristol Palin) needs to be completely cleared. Like as soon as possible. Really investigated, and cleared, otherwise there will always be a cloud on her reputation. (For possibly having Trig.)

    Possibilities: Bristol is pregnant with her first child, a private family trauma now public, kinda too bad no privacy exists for VP candidates, but shoulda thought of that before accepting, right Sarah?

    OR Bristol is having her (at least) SECOND child. It is biologically possible for her to have delivered early April, and be 3 - 4 months pregnant now. If you do not know this then you have evidently received the same level of sex-ed Bristol Palin got, and that Sarah Palin wants every girl to get. Improbably in the day and age, but then so is picking Palin for VP eh?

    OR The Bristol story is a red herring with a kernel, or seed as-it-were, of truth in it, but Sarah Palin sure may have done some really odd things pregnant women just don't and usually can't. What gives? - It is either completely made up, and she needs to be cleared, (NOW, preferably by skeptics of hers, not partisans,) or something is kinda fishy that right now looks really fishy. Americablog has not posted this, due to it's journalistic standards, Kudos. And the blogger who wrote the post I linked to above does have a "DailyKos" banner or masthead on the top of his page which could confuse the noncognoscenti. But someone has to do some real legwork here - where's it going to come from ...?

    Of course the 'Maverick' could always pony up with some DNA and settle the matter, (pardon the ugly unintended image,) but I am not gonna hold my breath.
  • Upland_Oddball · 1 year ago
    Another possibility to consider JamesR. the duex et machina explanation so beloved of Republicans, fundies and other assorted weak minds, which is that what we have here is multiple VIRGIN BIRTHS! We all know that such an explanation can go very far in this age of shopping for facts and other forms of magical thinking.
  • JamesR · 1 year ago
    LOL.

    Quite an oddball idea, THANKS. Yet perhaps believable, for a Republican.

    They wouldn't get the "duex" part though.
  • Upland_Oddball · 1 year ago
    The McCain campaign's line of reasoning here is utterly laughable. It is also a huge insult to the Ameican public because it tells us that unless we are led by a chain through the nose like cattle and hogs, by all powerful opinion makers like you, the great Nabob John Aravosis, or by Markos, Atrios, Josh, etc., we cannnot, on our own, piece this story together though common sense, personal experience, investigation and dialogue, and disseminate it though ready channels of mass communication. The McCainiacs obviously give us even less credit for original, independent thought than does the the Manufacture of Consent theory of Chomsky.

    Makes one wonder how the Romans ever figured out and fleshed out the raunchy, sordid stories of their mad and degenerate emperors without the hand of the Obama campaign or Liberal bloggers. Historians like Tacitus or Suetonius didn't write from first hand experience. They relied on the word of mouth chain of information that originated in the outraged sensibilities of educated, involved persons who saw links between the personal defects of their rulers and the degradation of the institutions of the nation. Same here. The blogosphere is a community like any other. John Aravosis may have laid out the streets and put in the sewer and water system, but all of us are its inhabitants and we giive it its energy and creative power. Much of what we find and pass on is junk, but our civic founders, like you John, also put in refuse collection and other utilities that help filter out the junk. But when a story has legs, even your deliberate efforts couldn't keep it from surfacing. Filtering idiot pundits like Broder used to effectively quash a story like this routinely because they controlled the outlets of communication. Now, they no longer do and we can see how utterly base and naked they are, when they try.

    The McCainiacs are utterly clueless about the new reality. Not only have the rules of the game been changed, the game itself is now played on a new board and with new players. Damn, what an exciting time to live in.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Bravo! Or should I say "Ave!"?
  • Radardan · 1 year ago
    "'I'll embarrass a Democrat any time I get the chance.'" -- John McCain as quoted in this New Times story about Congressional testimony by then AZ Gov. Rose Mofford: http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2008-08-07/news/...

    In the next paragraph of the same article:

    "One said there was a rumor McCain had tried to sabotage Mofford's testimony, to which he said something like, 'I'd never do anything like that.'""
  • Hannah · 1 year ago
    "There is no top liberal blog with Barack Obama's name in it"

    But isn't Barack's name "Barack America"? Joe Biden said so!

    Therefore Americablog must be it!

    :-p
  • JamesR · 1 year ago
    This whole thing reminds me of a post here: http://plutarch01.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/new-... - detailing why it would be reasonable to believe Mike Huckabee underwent bariatric surgery.

    This is, well was, relevant and legitimate to wonder about because he not only denied it but actually wrote a book on weight loss the theme of which was basically 'buck up and stop eating.' [Without surgery.] Plus of course the lying preacher hypocritical nutbag asshole angle too.

    Reading a multitude of postings at Andrew Sullivan's blog, for which he is getting a remarkable amount of toxic shit, he makes the simple point that Palin / McCain could Oh-So-Easily stop this by releasing Sarah Palin's medical records of her pregnancy. Must have been documented in enough detail. Doesn't have to go all completely public, but compared to the actual duties of the job she seems to have no idea about, it is just about piss nothing of an intrusion or indignity, and would certainly stop the chatter. Assuming of course they really wanted to stop the chatter.

    Huckabee never had to because he's not a candidate anymore, and no one really cared. If he were to ever face real national scrutiny, you bet this would be relevant. In both cases Doctors know but are sworn to confidentiality, but can END THIS one way or another within hours if asked.

    It doesn't look to me like they really want this to go away. Answers either way would end a blamefest and distractionfest that is typical Rovery. if you have a sticky scandal around a weak candidate, keep it close! String it out and then blame your opposition for all of it until the public seems to get offended and / or bored and end up with a sour taste in their mouths regarding the opponent and the Rovelings get a sympathy bump and no further scrutiny. Appalling, but effective, sorta, with a weak media.