and lost in the Hooplah3 US soldiers killed by small-arms fire in Iraq
3 US soldiers killed by small-arms fire in northern Iraq; mass graves unearthed around Baghdad
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
Hillary's sense of entitlement was her Achilles heal.
blackwolf
· 1 year ago
Great insight DJ. And, that achilles heel is still exposed. Obama beat her at her own game. People have forgotten how far ahead Hillary was at the start.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Obama's team tacticaly killed overconfident team Clinton. Another thing, Clinton's Iraq war vote in 2002 and her refusal to admit her clear mistake early in 2007 was the albatross that remained draped around her neck unil it finally strangled her chances to become the first female president.
But most important, Obama was selling a concept, change. Clinton was selleing an individual. America made its choice, thus rejecting a generation's way of looking at things.
blackwolf
· 1 year ago
Tbhull: Great analysis! "Obama was selling a concept, change. Clinton was selling an individual. America made its choice, thus rejecting a generation's way of looking at things."
This is why he will win in November. He'll be selling the concept of diplomacy--which will appear to be a new way of looking at things. The GOP is aware of it, and already trying to position McCain as being the "true" agent of change.
McCain is already making the same mistake Hillary made --in trying to position and remake himself over to compete against Obama. He's already attacking Obama with the "young man" BS.
Obama is going to switch this around gracefully/tactfully to use against McCain. Mark my words:)
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
Interesting perspective on Hillary's failure from the BBC:
I know that everyone is trying to forget about the crazy lady in the pantsuits, but I was talking to my wife who reads the news but is not quite as political as I am. She said something that has me worried about others thinking the same. She is so upset and angry at Hillary Clinton. She like myself have never liked HRC. But when my wife heard the HRC wanted to be VP she was livid and said that she hated that woman and that she did not deserve anything that she could not be trusted and would try to interfere in everything if she was in the Whitehouse. She also said that IF BO chooses HRC as his VP my wife will absolutely in no uncertain terms not vote for OBAMA NO MATTER WHAT!!
What are we going to do I am sure she is not alone in her ire?
Jim Olson
· 1 year ago
Hillary simply is too polarizing. People either hate her, or adore her, with nothing in between. Her supporters claim that they would rather vote for McCain than Obama (like THAT makes sense...voting for the guy who is going to turn back the clock on all the advances women have made in the past 40 years just because their woman candidate didn't win...) Or, Obama supporters who want nothing to do with her as VP, and threaten not to vote if she is, possibly handing the election to McCain, again.
Haven't we had enough of divisive politics? We need a candidate that people don't viscerally despise.
Steve_in_CNJ
· 1 year ago
the WaPo article makes it sound like donald duck could have beaten hillary with the right organization. they overlook that you need a good candidate too.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Baseball is a good analogy.
Hillary tried to win the game by swinging for the fences, while Obama beat her with a scrappy game of "small ball," piling up the runs through singles and doubles.
Hillary's strategy might have worked if the field stayed small, but the longer the primaries went on, the bigger the field got.
By the end, Hillary was just hitting a lot of flies out to the warning track.
lynchie
· 1 year ago
I don't think Hillary and Bill realized "change" means doing things differently not just changing the engine in a tired, out of date, old car. The thing she attributed to herself last night that most disturbed me was her claim to have been fighting for Health Care reform for the past 16 years. Other than voting for low income help for children/s health care what has she championed. At any rate that hopefully is all behind us. There is a new Marshal in town and his name is soon to be President Obama. Let Hillary and her consultants who made millions ponder what went wrong. Let her talk to Carville, whose reign as the supposed expert on getting people elected for the democrats comes to an end. Part of winning or losing any election is the need for all candidates to accept defeat gracefully and move on. It was not meant to be. Instead, as predicted, we have a petulant Clinton family still scheming to come out ahead by ignoring reality and continuing to belittle the competition. Hillary has accomplished a great deal of good for Democrats and for women in general. She has shown that women can rightfully aspire to be President. She has shown that the next time around for a woman the candidate will know what road blocks still need to be overcome. What Hillary now needs to show is that she accepts that it was not her time and take great pride in congratulating the winner and defeating the Republicans for the good of the nation, not just for the Clinton's.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Obama now needs to lead by, in the most gracious fashion that only he can achieve, let Hillary know that she will not be VP, but that she could be on the cabinet or be a Supreme Court nominee if she so desires. After giving her camp a week or so to move one way or another it needs to be clear to Clinton that Obama will make his VP preference (or at least his VP non-reference known publicly) such that the dems at the convention will not try to force Clinton down his throat as a VP, for it would destroy their candidate. Of course this has risk, but no risk no reward. Leadership requires that he set the terms of the debate, not the loser.
Change cannot involve Clinton at the VP slot. In my opinion this type of leadership will allow hime to pick up 2 undecided voters for each Harriet Christian vote he will lose without Clinton on the ticket.
Jim Olson
· 1 year ago
Hillary wouldn't do well on the Supreme Court. It's a 'dead end' job, and she and Bill couldn't stay out of the limelight as is right and proper for SC Justices. Besides, I think Hillary and Bill know that they wouldn't survive the vetting process for VP (as was pointed out on this 'blog a while back), nor would she survive confirmation hearings.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
So what, other than continuing to serve as thre junior Senator from New York, would Hillary want other than being Obama's VP or a spot on the SC?
Jim Olson
· 1 year ago
Secretary of Health and Human Services. She wants to fix health care? Give her this spot. Or, Ambassador to Berzerkistan. (Points if you get the reference...)
tbhull
· 1 year ago
letting
Skycat
· 1 year ago
What the article fails to address is the canard put out by Hillary and her supporters that Hillary should be considered because of her arguable edge in the popular vote. Obama's campaign was built around picking up the most delegates without regard to the popular vote. Indeed, if the popular vote were to be the criteria for the nomination, it is obvious that the campaign would have changed its tactics and spend more resources in states with larger populations.
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 1 year ago
David Plouffe: a genius, or just a guy who took a leaf out of the great Howard Dean's 50 State strategy (which the Clinton Machine derided) and made it work? I'll say: both.
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 1 year ago
Also: when your highest-paid consultant doesn't know shit about the process, you're in a world of hurt (Mark Penn being surprised to "learn" that delegates were awarded proportionally...)
lynchie
· 1 year ago
Karen: I love this comment. The old guard gang, McCaulife, Ickes, Panetta, Penn all entrenched in the past never truly analyzed anything past Super Tuesday. They misread the need for change and chose to do things the way Bill did 16 years ago. Not knowing how delegates are awarded shows their incompetence and that of her whole campaign staff.
Jim Olson
· 1 year ago
"*sniffle* but, but, but, it's about the voters and I won MOOOOOOOOORE. They're being MEEEEEAN to me." -HRC.
munjoyfan
· 1 year ago
This is the Tom Andrews strategy. You determine exactly how many votes you need to bring home to win, and you quietly go about harvesting them. Every single one of them, no more, no less. I love it. It indicates the democratic party is learning. And the outrage of the Clintonistas claiming they won the popular vote while refusing to count the caucus states.........
okojo
· 1 year ago
Running for a party nomination and running for the general election are two different things, and the Obama campaign now has to get a top rated non Bob Shrum campaign going...
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3 US soldiers killed by small-arms fire in northern Iraq; mass graves unearthed around Baghdad
But most important, Obama was selling a concept, change. Clinton was selleing an individual. America made its choice, thus rejecting a generation's way of looking at things.
This is why he will win in November. He'll be selling the concept of diplomacy--which will appear to be a new way of looking at things. The GOP is aware of it, and already trying to position McCain as being the "true" agent of change.
McCain is already making the same mistake Hillary made --in trying to position and remake himself over to compete against Obama. He's already attacking Obama with the "young man" BS.
Obama is going to switch this around gracefully/tactfully to use against McCain. Mark my words:)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7409499.stm
Contrast this with Obama who is clearly at ease with himself and genuinely connects with people.
http://www.queersunited.blogspot.com
I know that everyone is trying to forget about the crazy lady in the pantsuits, but I was talking to my wife who reads the news but is not quite as political as I am. She said something that has me worried about others thinking the same. She is so upset and angry at Hillary Clinton. She like myself have never liked HRC. But when my wife heard the HRC wanted to be VP she was livid and said that she hated that woman and that she did not deserve anything that she could not be trusted and would try to interfere in everything if she was in the Whitehouse. She also said that IF BO chooses HRC as his VP my wife will absolutely in no uncertain terms not vote for OBAMA NO MATTER WHAT!!
What are we going to do I am sure she is not alone in her ire?
Haven't we had enough of divisive politics? We need a candidate that people don't viscerally despise.
Hillary tried to win the game by swinging for the fences, while Obama beat her with a scrappy game of "small ball," piling up the runs through singles and doubles.
Hillary's strategy might have worked if the field stayed small, but the longer the primaries went on, the bigger the field got.
By the end, Hillary was just hitting a lot of flies out to the warning track.
Let Hillary and her consultants who made millions ponder what went wrong. Let her talk to Carville, whose reign as the supposed expert on getting people elected for the democrats comes to an end. Part of winning or losing any election is the need for all candidates to accept defeat gracefully and move on. It was not meant to be. Instead, as predicted, we have a petulant Clinton family still scheming to come out ahead by ignoring reality and continuing to belittle the competition. Hillary has accomplished a great deal of good for Democrats and for women in general. She has shown that women can rightfully aspire to be President. She has shown that the next time around for a woman the candidate will know what road blocks still need to be overcome. What Hillary now needs to show is that she accepts that it was not her time and take great pride in congratulating the winner and defeating the Republicans for the good of the nation, not just for the Clinton's.
Change cannot involve Clinton at the VP slot. In my opinion this type of leadership will allow hime to pick up 2 undecided voters for each Harriet Christian vote he will lose without Clinton on the ticket.
I love it. It indicates the democratic party is learning.
And the outrage of the Clintonistas claiming they won the popular vote while refusing to count the caucus states.........