AMERICAblog: How would Hillary respond to the slash-and-burn politics she's using? We don't know because no Democrat would go there. The GOP will.
LeslieB
· 1 year ago
Isn't it loverly that Clinton purports to be the more experienced candidate on the issues. Yet she continues to slime Obama on non-issues, such as "bitter" voters. By the way, a lot of bitter voters helped Clinton win in PA. Oh well.
ShirleyGoodnessanMercy
· 1 year ago
Hillary Clinton, the Ralph Nader of 2008, handing the election to the Republicans again.
Dumbfucks.
johnosahon
· 1 year ago
you NEED to see this, HILARY IS OFFICIALLY A REPUBLICAN
i am PISSED people are blaming HILARY and BUSH, SERIOUSLY, the blame should go to the VOTERS, if after all the lies and crap they both pull you still vote for them, then it is the fault of the VOTERS.
LeslieB
· 1 year ago
Aren't the super delegates supposed to decide the nomination before the odds of winning against McSame are ruined? Isn't that their job? So, uh, when are they going to do their job?
jr
· 1 year ago
David Gregory just used the "buyer's remorse" talking point every other bumpkin is using. Jesus Christ
LeslieB
· 1 year ago
The Obama camp is reportedly considering slashing and burning Hillary, as she richly deserves. [God, I'm so sick of her at this point.] It'd be best if Obama did it through surrogates. But there's a lot to go after Hillary with, especially considering the best Hillary has to go after Obama with is "bitter" and "flag pins."
grandma
· 1 year ago
I think back to all the times I used to stick up for Hillary.....and couldn't understand why so many had so much hatred for her.
Thank God for Obama.......or many, like me, still wouldn't know the real Hillary.
grandma
· 1 year ago
I don't know what Obama should do now either....if he doesn't fight back she calls him weak or a wimp....if he fights back he loses some of his message......a catch 22
grandma
· 1 year ago
After this presidency, after eight years of war and debt and torture and deceit and cynicism, to see the Democratic party self-destruct is really something. They were given a chance to remake the country and regain their soul; and the Clintons could not bear it if they were not the vehicles for such a shift. I don't believe anyone in the Democratic party can or will stop them. This is a kamikaze mission.
And Clinton herself used a midday speech in Indiana, which - along with North Carolina - votes May 6, to make the case.
"It's a very close race, but if you count - as I count - the 2.3 million people who voted in Michigan and Florida, then we are going to build on that," Clinton told a crowd gathered under a hot sun in an Indianapolis park. "We just have to get the Democratic party to give them the delegates that reflect their votes, but we'll be working on that."
Still, she said: "I'm very proud that, as of today, I have received more votes by the people who have voted than anybody else." And she urged the crowd, which numbered in the hundreds, to contribute to her campaign, adding that Obama outspent her in Pennsylvania by as much as 3 ½ to 1.
"It's a tremendous challenge to get the message out when you're being outspent in that way," she said, also calling on Obama to agree to debate her in Indiana.
I seriously could not stomach another debate, who really wants to give Clinton the platform she so doesn't deserve?
grandma
· 1 year ago
Stevious
I sure don't want another debate for her to spin and distort the truth....and then have to listen to the media repeat all her spin endlessly.
Ann_in_KC
· 1 year ago
Hey John...I feel like you're giving us a green light to not be so nice. Has this been vetted lately?
There is a reason why the Republicans want to run against Hillary, they probably have so much on the Clinton's that it will take Hillary and Bill down in a hail of political bullets. The GOP already blames everything on the Clinton years, even Bin Laden, they probably have wet dreams thinking about taking the Clinton's down once and for all and what will make it so sweet is that the Clinton's participated in their demise. As a Democratic voter I for one, don't wish to go down in a hail of gunfire with Bonnie and Clyde.
grandma
· 1 year ago
The fact that she counts Fla and Michigan votes.....just shows what a total fraud she has become....or always was.
mmedefarge
· 1 year ago
Mavbe we are realizing that we need a new party. The values and spirit and hope that Obama's campaign has awoken and fostered are not going to be dormant any longer. They represent the "best" ideals of the traditional Democratic party, but are hardly seen in the current party machine. If that machine gets behind an unethical liar like Hillary and ignores the will of the people, I hope that we will find a way to come together for the sake of this country.
naschkatzehussein
· 1 year ago
I don't agree with you, johnosahon, on putting the blame for Bush and the Clintons on the voter. It's like the Catholic Church blaming the laity for the pedophilia scandal. You can tell that the corporate media, the corporations, banks, political establishments all pick the candidate of their choosing, and we the voter have to like or lump it and put on a big act like we are cheering our team. Or we have to say that we will be voting for the lesser of two evils. This year is different. Obama is a candidate chosen and funded by the people. I think it is a part of the constitutional crisis because these "powers that be" don't like what's happening and are out to quash our free democratic (sic) vote. It's nothing less.
tofubo
· 1 year ago
hillary is going to be on the ticket, either as veepee of the presumptive democratic winner (not), or, she'll pull a zellieberman and take her 26% that won't vote for obama and be teh presumptive republican winner's 2nd in command
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Obama cannot destroy Hillary as he needs Clinton to carry his water bucket in the Senate as the junior Senator from New York when Obama becomes POTUS in January of 2009.
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
Obama is not being 'too nice'. He's changing the model. this is what lots of people want.
we can either choose his way or hers.
SPatrick
· 1 year ago
I think you have to be careful with that kind of commentary. Basically you are saying that over half of the Democrats in PA weren't smart enough to vote for the winner, thus Clinton won. I'm sure that isn't what you mean, but it still very much comes across that way.
hawkseye
· 1 year ago
Mitt Romney said it: "Can you imagine Bill Clinton back in the White House with nothing to do?" Brilliant! Some 527 needs to make a commercial with just that question and play it over and over. And not quit even if Barack asks them to.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Hillary's main accomplishments in her life have been a screwed up health care initiative and a half-assed presidential campaign.
Yeah, she's mean and nasty. That doesn't qualify her for anything. So is Bush.
mmedefarge
· 1 year ago
lap in lady (are you a friend of Bills?)
How in the world can a lying carpetbagger who will say whatever she thinks the audience of the minute wants to hear, help this country? Have you forgotten all the scandals, the pardons of people that probably even W wouldn't have pardoned, the renting out of the Lincoln bedroom, and the trashing of the White House when she left. It is unbelievable to me that she even got to the Senate...
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Lapinlady
So what you are saying is Obama is not negative enough for your tastes. Because he refuses to lash out and refute Clinton's attacks with the same venom she uses he is weak. What you don't obviously get is that Obama has said from the start he wants to change the nature of the way politics are played. It should be a discourse on issues, not tit for tat negativity, I personally think this is a good trait, a trait that children as they mature can embrace as positive. What you propose is a slug fest to determine who is the better "fighter". Then you list a whole slew of national issues and end with "can Obama deal with that", what makes you think Clinton can? She has no track record of solving these types of problems but you would lead us to believe she can.
And then to add to this discourse you post a second comment calling Obama supporters "cultists" Oh, but you are not advocating any illusions or adulation of Clinton.
While you have made two posts, pretending to be so concerned about Obama's experience and lack of pugilist skills you have only proved, at least to me, that all Clinton offers is dirty fighting. That is NOT what I want in a president. I want someone with enough intelligence to be able to guide this country WITHOUT using his fists but would have no problem doing so if it is necessary.
Lapinlady
· 1 year ago
I agree that everything he says is wonderful, and as a child I loved the Disney happily ever after fables as much as the next person, but that doesn't cut it in the real world. Do you really believe that enlightened discourse will win in the GE??? The republican's attacked McCain as having an illigitimate mixed race child in their own primary. Do you honestly think that they won't attack Obama just because he wants to change the tone of discourse? he can't stay above the fray, and so far he has failed to show that he can fight back. That is what I am saying, and as long as that central issue is not addressed, how can I support him? I have had enough with the great candidate who comes in second. This is about winning, not speech, not warm fuzzies, but winning and so far he has proven that he can get the votes of students and blacks, but not the blue collar base in the states needed to win. Do you honestly think that there are enough students in Wyoming or Kansas that they can overwhelm the repubs? no, so he has to win the blue collar and rust belt areas as well as Florida, and so far, he hasn't been able to appeal to those voters. Love his ideas, that is fine, but they don't mean anything unless he can win and winning takes getting in the dirt. Kerry and Gore tried to stay above the fray, you know how well that worked, Clintons fight back, yeah it is dirty, and yes it is not always within the grand illusions of the progressive movement, but it gets the job done. What is better, someone who fought and won and can try to get this country back on track, or someone who can give great speeches standing on the outside while McCain is sworn in and we have 8 more years of whining about why didn't our guy win and how it is so unfair and the election was stolen, etc while the constitution gets trashed, we are in Iraq for eternity and our economy never recovers. I am thrilled that Obama wants to rise above the partisianship and old ways, but to do so, he has to win, and that takes mastery of the system. Prove to me he can do that and he has my money and my vote, until the nothing and I will not vote for him and neither will thousands upon thousands like me. If you don't like that, fine, but it doesn't change the fact and no amount of "he's wonderful" will convince me otherwise.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Lapinlady
I don't have to prove it to you, it has already been proven. He is leading in pledged delegates, he is leading in popular vote , and no you cannot count Florida and MIchigan, and he is leading in the hearts of many Americans who want change rather than the "same old politics" It is unfortunate that you and many other Clinton supporters REFUSE to recognize this, including Senator Clinton.
As far as saying he can not get the blue collar vote, I am not too sure of that. Right now it is between Clinton and Obama. In the fall it will be the Dems against the Republicans. I believe the Dems will vote for the Dems candidate, regardless of who it may be. It is statistically proven that more Clinton supporters have said they would not vote for Obama, but in the final moments of the thought of 4 more years of Republican rule I think that might change. I do not have a crystal ball and anyone who says Obama cannot win is professing to have visions into the future.
See, your last line---"If you don't like that, fine, but it doesn't change the fact and no amount of "he's wonderful" will convince me otherwise."---- only proves that you are not willing to open your mind to anything other than Hillary because there is no proof that either candidate can win in a GE. The only time you will ever get proof of that is when it is over.
Lapinlady
· 1 year ago
Neither can win without the superdelegates. No amount of spin can change that. And as for Florida and Michigan, we just write them off?? how does that help us in the GE. I agree that no one knows what will happen in the future, but I also prefer a proven entity then an unknown. Clinton is known, warts and all, Obama is not. I don't think the Clinton supporters will come back to Obama if the attitudes of the most vocal Obama supporters don't change. It is as if a huge wall divides us and you can't see what the trashing of her and the Clinton record (the last democrat to WIN) does to the blue collar base. There are many hard core democrats, the old school, not the progressives, who will not support Obama just because their sacrifice during the last years has not been appreciated. Many many of my fellow Hillary supporters have said they will just stay home, for to vote for Obama is to encourage the browbeating in the future. Better to prove now that you need us and be a part of the future decision, then to be taken for granted as a guaranteed vote in the future.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Lapinlady
Ah geez, none of that even makes sense. You talk about trashing Clinton, well Clinton herself has said she has baggage, lots of it, you think the blogs trash her, just wait, if she is the nominee her baggage comes out in full force. Proven entity, once again, what has she done ON HER OWN? Clinton and Obama's record in the Senate are pretty much the same EXCEPT for the Iraq war. I notice you said "trashing of her and the Clinton record", uh hello who is running for president, Bill or Hillary? This isn't a two for one deal.
I really don't get this line from you---"There are many hard core democrats, the old school, not the progressives, who will not support Obama just because their sacrifice during the last years has not been appreciated." What in god's name does that mean? Who was sacrificing what and who does not appreciate the "sacrifice"?
And honestly, why should I or any Obama supporter be told by you or any Clinton supporter to give it up because we need you? It is a terrible thing to hate someone as much as you hate Obama and his supporters. Whatever, I am tired of this conversation. I find you to be totally entrenched in Hillary spin, unable to face the potential possibility of a black president. Stay home, do what you want, it will not change the reality that Obama is, at this point of time, leading in all indicators necessary to win the nomination.
Lapinlady
· 1 year ago
Did you happen to notice what this post pertained to? Bringing up Monica to Hillary when it was Bill who had the affair. I didn't choose the topic, Americablog did, even though Bill is not the one running for president. As for my reference to the old school democrats, you must be rather young. Think the last 8 years were bad, you don't know what it was like to go through years and years of voting for your party to have the repubs gain ground time and time again. Who do you think kept the democratic party going through Mondale, Dukakis, Carter, etc. Now, there seems to be a tide of the young "progressives" especially on other blogs, deciding that if you support someone other then Obama, then you really aren't a democrat. (quoting Kos). I don't have the emotional involvment you think I have, I don't hate anyone, including Obama, nor do I love Hillary, I simply stated what I felt was a huge missing link between what was being assumed, and what was my own as well as my understanding of Hillary supporters' motivation. You were not required to agree, but common ground was my hope. Instead, I am insulted personally, and confronted with taunts of "she is so bad." This little experiment only proved my point, until Obama supporters decide that Clinton supporters are part of the whole movement and not the enemy, simply people who choose another candidate, then you run the very real risk of causing your candidate to fail in the GE. No one has to vote in the GE, and usually many don't. Do you really think that Obama can win the election without us? Do you think we will be motivated to vote for him after being attacked by the "progressives?" Until the rabid Obama supporters realize that there are some of us who have faithfully voted democrat through hell and high water and the mere fact that we like another candidate does not lessen our committment to the party, the very real possibility exists that we will have no motivation to get out and vote for him. Afterall, if I am not a "real democrat" for purposes of this fight, why should I vote for your candidate, when it is obvious I am not invited to that party? You insult and disrespect us at your peril, it is your candidate who suffers, the choice is yours. I do agree that this conversation has run its course, the big picture is never pretty, but it is better to see the truth then to hide behind the facade of fantasy. I asked for any information to show that there there was a wizard, so far, you only showed me the curtain. Sorry, I don't buy it and nothing you have said has convinced me otherwise. As for the last line, I am not suprised, I notice that there is a certain script Obama fans follow 1. He is wonderful and will change the system, 2. She is worse so anything he does or doesn't do is OK. 3. Race!!! Try again sweetie, I am a black professional woman, a lexus driving lawyer who got here by hard work and if I had screamed race everytime I tried to move up the ladder, I would still be on the bottom rung.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Lapinlady
I asked you straight forward, what has HiIllary done on her own that makes you think she is a "proven entity", no response. You intentionally ignored the fact that Obama is leading in pledged delegates and popular vote and more or less placed his lead on the fact that young progressives and blogs are all that contributes to his success, wrong. In this one area I would suggest you vent your frustration to the appropriate blogs rather than take out the frustration here. I have not said that you are not a Democrat so why direct comments from other blogs to me?
Further I have quoted you verbatim, you however include quotes in your comments that appear attributed to me but I have never said, now that is insulting. I have talked to you as one person but your response is lumping comments , from god knows where, and attributing them to me. I take it you did not read an earlier comment I made that said it was not a good idea to bring up Monica, there are better issues to show Clinton's true nature. This is why I find it so difficult to try and carry on a civil conversation with a Clinton supporter, they will dish out strange rhetoric and then accuse you of being insulting, your response is a perfect example. I don't think threats are exactly the way to garner support "You insult and disrespect us at your peril, it is your candidate who suffers, the choice is yours."
Perhaps you are a "black professional woman, a lexus driving lawyer" so what? All that says is you are outside of Clinton's base, white woman, catholic, high school diploma or less, voter, I cannot understand what that has to do with anything being discussed.
BTW, why do you keep coming back here? You are like the candidate you support, unable to accept that Obama is, at this point in time, the leading candidate. You have nothing to offer to validate solid reasons to support Clinton other than your crystal ball mentality that says Obama cannot win. I might also add , I am not your "sweetie". Talk about snide and insulting.
Lapinlady
· 1 year ago
I am a Hillary supporter, and before you troll rate me or bypass my comment, perhaps I can shed a little light on why I support her and not Obama. All the rhetoric and name calling here over who is the best democrat means nothing if the candidate can't win in November. I want someone who can win. Can she? I don't know, but Obama has not shown me that he knows how to hit back, or take a punch. To me and to those of my friends and family who can't support Obama, the reason is simple. He is all things to the base. He is an empty slate and the Obama fans see what they want to see in him. It is easy, for he doesn't really have a record, so each and every one of you can project your vision onto him. I have seen this movie. It happened in 2000 when Bush Jr came into office. The republicans saw in him everything they wanted to see, but he was an empty shell. Is Obama? I don't know, but I do think he caves when he gets hit, and that is bad enough. He had one bad debate and now says no more. Can you just imagine how that would play out in the GE?? I watched Kerry and Gore falter, all the while reading how we could make a difference and we could get the votes and the middle class blue collar non "crative class" neanderthals could be outvoted. It didn't happen. So now we have an opportunity to take it back and I don't want this country screwed one more time because as a group the "net roots" thinks that we can value rhetoric over old fashioned politics, it will not happen, and everytime you insult Hillary and bring up Monica and go deeper into the pit, I and every other Hillary supporter I know, takes one more step back from EVER supporting Obama. We are in deep trouble. The dollar has and continues to tank, we have two wars which are like quicksand, easy to get into and hard to get out of, oil is through the roof, and there are food shortages which are just going to get worse. To top it off, we are fast loosing our super power standing to the Chinese (see the wars above) who have the money to grow and buy up the oil. Can Obama deal with that. I don't think so.As for the Monica crap, who cares?? Everyone knows, it has been covered over and over again. If someone is going to hold that against her, then they would never vote for her to begin with. Affairs happen all the time. And if the "progressive blogosphere" wants to start with that crap, then don't say a word when the rest of the media piles on to every sex story they find be it gay or straight. So be careful what you wish for, do I wish for Hillary to be president yes, do I have any illusions that it won't be politics as usual to some extent, no, but if you think that Obama won't play the same game you are wrong, the only difference is that with Hillary we know what we are getting, with Obama, we just have to wonder who will be the Cheney behind the throne. And before you troll rate me to oblivion for that comment, ask your self how a one term senator could have risen so far so fast without someone pulling the strings.
zinzen
· 1 year ago
Then go ahead and vote for McCain then. Your comments about Obama are your opinion but calling him an empty slate is just showing how willfully ignorant you are about Obama. You have reached the "Squeaky Fromme " cult state of adulation for Hillary. You are too far gone about your candidate to reach out to.
Lapinlady
· 1 year ago
See there you go proving my point, my post offered no illusions about Hillary and no adulation, you on the other hand over react and insult me personally. That is why I can't vote for Obama, same reason Tom Cruise repeals me, any cult like behavior repeals me, and if you can't see how your adoration and personal insults don't help but hurt his cause with those of us who don't buy the whole cult of personality, I can't enlighten you. For the 99.9% of the general electorate who hasn't drunk the koolaid, you just sound ridiculous like Cruise on the couch with your personal attacks not factual replies. I am certain that there are millions of Obama supporters who don't see him as the second coming, no politician should ever be seen as godlike, the founding fathers were right on that point. Don't expect me to be convinced to join your little circle until facts not adulation are the basis of your argument.
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Dumbfucks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbJVkIzKq64&eurl...
CONGRATS HILARY, YOU ARE DOING A HECK OF A JOB
Thank God for Obama.......or many, like me, still wouldn't know the real Hillary.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...
And Clinton herself used a midday speech in Indiana, which - along with North Carolina - votes May 6, to make the case.
"It's a very close race, but if you count - as I count - the 2.3 million people who voted in Michigan and Florida, then we are going to build on that," Clinton told a crowd gathered under a hot sun in an Indianapolis park. "We just have to get the Democratic party to give them the delegates that reflect their votes, but we'll be working on that."
Still, she said: "I'm very proud that, as of today, I have received more votes by the people who have voted than anybody else." And she urged the crowd, which numbered in the hundreds, to contribute to her campaign, adding that Obama outspent her in Pennsylvania by as much as 3 ½ to 1.
"It's a tremendous challenge to get the message out when you're being outspent in that way," she said, also calling on Obama to agree to debate her in Indiana.
I seriously could not stomach another debate, who really wants to give Clinton the platform she so doesn't deserve?
I sure don't want another debate for her to spin and distort the truth....and then have to listen to the media repeat all her spin endlessly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troopergate
we can either choose his way or hers.
Brilliant!
Some 527 needs to make a commercial with just that question and play it over and over. And not quit even if Barack asks them to.
Yeah, she's mean and nasty. That doesn't qualify her for anything. So is Bush.
How in the world can a lying carpetbagger who will say whatever she thinks the audience of the minute wants to hear, help this country? Have you forgotten all the scandals, the pardons of people that probably even W wouldn't have pardoned, the renting out of the Lincoln bedroom, and the trashing of the White House when she left. It is unbelievable to me that she even got to the Senate...
So what you are saying is Obama is not negative enough for your tastes. Because he refuses to lash out and refute Clinton's attacks with the same venom she uses he is weak. What you don't obviously get is that Obama has said from the start he wants to change the nature of the way politics are played. It should be a discourse on issues, not tit for tat negativity, I personally think this is a good trait, a trait that children as they mature can embrace as positive. What you propose is a slug fest to determine who is the better "fighter". Then you list a whole slew of national issues and end with "can Obama deal with that", what makes you think Clinton can? She has no track record of solving these types of problems but you would lead us to believe she can.
And then to add to this discourse you post a second comment calling Obama supporters "cultists" Oh, but you are not advocating any illusions or adulation of Clinton.
While you have made two posts, pretending to be so concerned about Obama's experience and lack of pugilist skills you have only proved, at least to me, that all Clinton offers is dirty fighting. That is NOT what I want in a president. I want someone with enough intelligence to be able to guide this country WITHOUT using his fists but would have no problem doing so if it is necessary.
I don't have to prove it to you, it has already been proven. He is leading in pledged delegates, he is leading in popular vote , and no you cannot count Florida and MIchigan, and he is leading in the hearts of many Americans who want change rather than the "same old politics" It is unfortunate that you and many other Clinton supporters REFUSE to recognize this, including Senator Clinton.
As far as saying he can not get the blue collar vote, I am not too sure of that. Right now it is between Clinton and Obama. In the fall it will be the Dems against the Republicans. I believe the Dems will vote for the Dems candidate, regardless of who it may be. It is statistically proven that more Clinton supporters have said they would not vote for Obama, but in the final moments of the thought of 4 more years of Republican rule I think that might change. I do not have a crystal ball and anyone who says Obama cannot win is professing to have visions into the future.
See, your last line---"If you don't like that, fine, but it doesn't change the fact and no amount of "he's wonderful" will convince me otherwise."---- only proves that you are not willing to open your mind to anything other than Hillary because there is no proof that either candidate can win in a GE. The only time you will ever get proof of that is when it is over.
Ah geez, none of that even makes sense. You talk about trashing Clinton, well Clinton herself has said she has baggage, lots of it, you think the blogs trash her, just wait, if she is the nominee her baggage comes out in full force. Proven entity, once again, what has she done ON HER OWN? Clinton and Obama's record in the Senate are pretty much the same EXCEPT for the Iraq war. I notice you said "trashing of her and the Clinton record", uh hello who is running for president, Bill or Hillary? This isn't a two for one deal.
I really don't get this line from you---"There are many hard core democrats, the old school, not the progressives, who will not support Obama just because their sacrifice during the last years has not been appreciated." What in god's name does that mean? Who was sacrificing what and who does not appreciate the "sacrifice"?
And honestly, why should I or any Obama supporter be told by you or any Clinton supporter to give it up because we need you? It is a terrible thing to hate someone as much as you hate Obama and his supporters. Whatever, I am tired of this conversation. I find you to be totally entrenched in Hillary spin, unable to face the potential possibility of a black president. Stay home, do what you want, it will not change the reality that Obama is, at this point of time, leading in all indicators necessary to win the nomination.
As for my reference to the old school democrats, you must be rather young. Think the last 8 years were bad, you don't know what it was like to go through years and years of voting for your party to have the repubs gain ground time and time again. Who do you think kept the democratic party going through Mondale, Dukakis, Carter, etc. Now, there seems to be a tide of the young "progressives" especially on other blogs, deciding that if you support someone other then Obama, then you really aren't a democrat. (quoting Kos).
I don't have the emotional involvment you think I have, I don't hate anyone, including Obama, nor do I love Hillary, I simply stated what I felt was a huge missing link between what was being assumed, and what was my own as well as my understanding of Hillary supporters' motivation. You were not required to agree, but common ground was my hope. Instead, I am insulted personally, and confronted with taunts of "she is so bad." This little experiment only proved my point, until Obama supporters decide that Clinton supporters are part of the whole movement and not the enemy, simply people who choose another candidate, then you run the very real risk of causing your candidate to fail in the GE. No one has to vote in the GE, and usually many don't. Do you really think that Obama can win the election without us? Do you think we will be motivated to vote for him after being attacked by the "progressives?"
Until the rabid Obama supporters realize that there are some of us who have faithfully voted democrat through hell and high water and the mere fact that we like another candidate does not lessen our committment to the party, the very real possibility exists that we will have no motivation to get out and vote for him. Afterall, if I am not a "real democrat" for purposes of this fight, why should I vote for your candidate, when it is obvious I am not invited to that party? You insult and disrespect us at your peril, it is your candidate who suffers, the choice is yours.
I do agree that this conversation has run its course, the big picture is never pretty, but it is better to see the truth then to hide behind the facade of fantasy. I asked for any information to show that there there was a wizard, so far, you only showed me the curtain. Sorry, I don't buy it and nothing you have said has convinced me otherwise. As for the last line, I am not suprised, I notice that there is a certain script Obama fans follow 1. He is wonderful and will change the system, 2. She is worse so anything he does or doesn't do is OK. 3. Race!!!
Try again sweetie, I am a black professional woman, a lexus driving lawyer who got here by hard work and if I had screamed race everytime I tried to move up the ladder, I would still be on the bottom rung.
I asked you straight forward, what has HiIllary done on her own that makes you think she is a "proven entity", no response. You intentionally ignored the fact that Obama is leading in pledged delegates and popular vote and more or less placed his lead on the fact that young progressives and blogs are all that contributes to his success, wrong. In this one area I would suggest you vent your frustration to the appropriate blogs rather than take out the frustration here. I have not said that you are not a Democrat so why direct comments from other blogs to me?
Further I have quoted you verbatim, you however include quotes in your comments that appear attributed to me but I have never said, now that is insulting. I have talked to you as one person but your response is lumping comments , from god knows where, and attributing them to me. I take it you did not read an earlier comment I made that said it was not a good idea to bring up Monica, there are better issues to show Clinton's true nature. This is why I find it so difficult to try and carry on a civil conversation with a Clinton supporter, they will dish out strange rhetoric and then accuse you of being insulting, your response is a perfect example. I don't think threats are exactly the way to garner support "You insult and disrespect us at your peril, it is your candidate who suffers, the choice is yours."
Perhaps you are a "black professional woman, a lexus driving lawyer" so what? All that says is you are outside of Clinton's base, white woman, catholic, high school diploma or less, voter, I cannot understand what that has to do with anything being discussed.
BTW, why do you keep coming back here? You are like the candidate you support, unable to accept that Obama is, at this point in time, the leading candidate. You have nothing to offer to validate solid reasons to support Clinton other than your crystal ball mentality that says Obama cannot win. I might also add , I am not your "sweetie". Talk about snide and insulting.