DISQUS

red_dwarf · 1 year ago

At one time I sorta liked Hillary. Now it is clear she is a delusional narcissistic power mongering _________.

John Aravosis · 1 year ago

I did too.

hopelesspedant · 1 year ago

So what?

Edwards suspended his campaign as well; it took him three months to endorse Obama.

She'd be in the same position if she suspended as if she withdrew and endorsed - only positioned to be in contention for the nomination should scandal or tragedy result. Frankly, she'd be smarter to endorse, since she'd cause fewer bad feelings if the worst happened.

red_dwarf · 1 year ago

Edwards has his eye on the Attorney General (lots of prosecuting to do over the next 4 years). Comparing now to February is apples and oranges. There is only one viable solution. EVER DEMOCRAT needs to get behind Obama, NOW. We have to trash the GOP, including those in the Senate and Congress - there is no time to lolly goggle around waiting for a "tragedy" to materialize.

Clinton has one chance, and one chance only, to demonstrate that she is more interested in the welfare of this country then in her own personal megalomaniac desires to be the most powerful person in the world - and that is to get behind Obama IMMEDIATELY and to rally her supporters as well. Anything short of that and she will be literally s******** on her legacy for all time.

John Aravosis · 1 year ago

It's not so what. She's not Edwards. Edwards hadn't convinced his followers that he actually won but that the election was stolen from him by bigots.

Bush_Bites · 1 year ago

I understand there's a Bubba Sex Tape out there.

I heard about it from five reliable sources.

Should be good.

Busboy · 1 year ago

Don't believe those "morse code toe-tappers", BB

jr · 1 year ago

Hillary's a 60 year old Toys R Us kid playing with her John McCain action figure

Bush_Bites · 1 year ago

I agree.

She'll "suspend" and try to cause trouble for him all summer, hoping he'll fall.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Larry Johnson popping off was the first attempt at it.

Dianne_in_DC · 1 year ago

John, I think you may be right. However, I don't think its gonna work. She is not her husband; she is not the come back kid. That is where she is deluding herself and her followers. More and more people I know say they liked her a couple of months ago, but not any longer. Including my mom, who is of the generation that wants to "see a woman president in my lifetime."

LeslieB · 1 year ago

Just heard over at Booman that Obama's campaign expects to receive full super delegate support soon following the conclusion of Tuesday's contests. The Obama campaign is reportedly reaching out to Clinton, offering positions in the national campaign. Clinton may concede.

If she does, she needs to fully support and endorse Obama and call off her attack dogs. She needs to do more than that actually. She'll need to start campaigning for him.

Bush_Bites · 1 year ago

There is reporting that the majority of the undeclared Senators are going to endorse Obama sometime this week after the polls close in Montana and South Dakota. The Obama campaign urged them to endorse before the polls close but they decided that would be needlessly disrespectful to Clinton.

"Needlessly disrespectful"?

God almighty!

No wonder the Democrats always lose.

They're trying to pet a rabid pit bull.

ikonoklast · 1 year ago

The question is, would Clinton accept anything that Obama would offer that she hadn't already first demanded? I don't think Clinton will ever be willing to make it appear that she were the weaker party.

moxiegrrrl · 1 year ago

I totally agree with this theory, and if it happens any differently I will be shocked.

LeslieB · 1 year ago

FYI John,
I have this terrible feeling that you may be right, but I so hope you're wrong. We need to unite against McCain and another 4 years of Bush. This internecine warfare can't continue--it's so self-destructive.

OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago

John, if you're right and Clinton does suspend her campaign, can she still collect and spend money? If not, I don't see her suspending. : )

After all, she loves to spend (Other People's Money) and get in debt, eh wot? How Bush-like.

hawkseye · 1 year ago

I'm not sure, but I think she needs to "suspend" in order to keep raising funds.

funknjunk · 1 year ago

Yeah, I actually think that she's just biding her time hoping for a "Whitey" tape or something like it so that she can jump back in. It's smart, it could happen. But I don't think so. I think most everyone besides the crazies have moved on from that crap, and an October surprise won't work in that way.....

OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago

Like KKKarl Rove before her, does Clinton lay claim to THE math? Sure sounds like it.

ezpz · 1 year ago

I agree. It's not in her genetic make up to concede, at least not without another trick or Rovian ploy up her sleeve.

McCaulliff has repeatedly said "anything can happen" and let's not forget (or maybe we SHOULD forget) Hillary's repeated unfortunate RFK comments.

*shudder*

warsaw · 1 year ago

Yes, John. You've nailed it.These fucking Clintons are like Bonnie and Clyde. They're determined to go down in beautiful slow motion, getting shot at from every side, lovely Technicolor blood splattering all over their white car, defiant and heroic to the end. This is a campaign of anger, aggression and vituperation. Not since Strom Thurmen and his Dixiecrats in 1948 has one person and one constituency presented such a divisive threat to the unity of the democratic party as have Hillary and her racist women. If she doesn't concede and endorse she can be legitimately seen as a rouge element of the party and should be shut down by any means possible.
The idea that's she's waiting for something terrible to happen to Obama is ludicrous and works both ways. SHE'S the disaster in this campaign, not any imaginary fucking assassination. She's worse for this campaign than any phony "alleged whitey tape". Obama's is starting to look like that poor guy with the bomb bolted around his neck. She's the bomb.

Andrew A. Gill · 1 year ago

After Tuesday, I don't think it really matters if she stays in the race.

The major news outlets are all wrapping up their coverage of Hillary, and if she continues past Tuesday, they'll just ignore her.

That's my impression, at least.

KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago

Even "suspending" the campaign (a la Mitt Romney, lurking in wait for McCain to have a massive, incapacitating anger-induced stroke) will be enough to make the Harpies, Crones, and Schlubs who comprise Hillary's Bitter Enders tear out their hair, wail, and gnash whatever teeth they have.

shell · 1 year ago

What do they say about Bobby Kennedy????

osage · 1 year ago

Hindsight being 20/20, Bill Clinton should not have been so assertively "actively campaigning" for Hillary Clinton. Not because he shouldn't have been a vocal advocate for her, but because it made her appear like a member of a "doubles team" rather than an independent leader standing on her own merits. A past president should not ever attack a presidential candidate of his/her own party. That in itself is inherently divisive, and therefore inappropriate and destructive, and especially so when the ex-president is speaking on behalf of and defending his wife. When Bill Clinton began attacking Obama supporters and or Obama himself, rather than just being Hillary's cheerleader, he crossed a line that he shouldn't have. At that point, not only was he devisely and destructively attacking another Democratic candidate, he was an ex-president defending his wife with a passion that went beyond Democratic political propriety and became very, very "personal". When it became "personal" for Bill and Hillary Clinton rather than "political", they opened a pandora's box of blaming and pointing fingers at fellow Democrats that ultimately lead to their rejection. Whether they intended to or not, they both started sounding more like Rove Republican politicians rather than we the people Democrats. Hillary Clinton would have won the nomination if the people running Obama's campaign had run hers, and if Bill Clinton had been a supportive husband instead of a confrontational ex-president.

John Aravosis · 1 year ago

I agree. I've said before that if he played positive,rather than negative, everyone would have cooed like they/we always do when he speaks (well, when he spoke).

Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago

Leverage for becoming Vice President or setting the stage for 2012. What else could it be, really?

aquarius2 · 1 year ago

Oh yeah, I think John is right. Several other blogs are going along with the same thinking, she isn't going to concede, she is going to suspend. I have thought for awhile that saying Clinton was laying the groundwork for a 2012 run was a little silly, but now I am not too sure.

RandyH · 1 year ago

This video says it all...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZAu39I5QOUc

Grrrowler · 1 year ago

Reading this I suddenly had an image of Hillary Clinton as Norma Desmond. She's acting to an audience that really isn't there any longer, and most people know it but her. Even those around her who are aware of the facts keep her in a "bubble", telling her what she wants to hear and let her keep acting to the audience that stopped paying attention a long time ago. The media still makes a big deal whenever she speaks because of her name recognition. The only thing missing is a quote like "I AM big. It's the voters that got small."

Indigo · 1 year ago

Lawyer Talk:
"Obama needs 2,118 delegates on Thursday, August 28, 2008 when he officially becomes the nominee."
It's annoying but it's factual. Anything can happen now.

tomjuarez · 1 year ago

I think the only weak link in this argument is the money. How can she afford to keep any presence that will mean anything when she's 20 million in the hole? Also the other rumor is that negotiations are going on behind the scenes between the camps to settle her campaign debt. If this is true I'm sure the Obama campaign is smart enough to insist that she completely quit before they'll bother to help her retire her debt.

DougStamate · 1 year ago

If Sen. Clinton suspends her campaign until the convention and attempts to sway some superdelegates she is doing nothing that will harm Democrats. Since superdelegates needn't vote however their states voted (see Sen. Byrd and Sen. Kerry, for example) they are fair game until their votes are registered at the convention. If the supers aren't to be swayed, then she will most likely go to the convention, have her name entered, see that she doesn't have the votes and move for a "unanimous" nomination.
Maintaining her campaign, even if only in "stand-by" mode, changes the way Sen. Obama (and his staff and supporters) are able to deal with Sen. Clinton and her supporters at the convention. Representing nearly 50% of the party, they will have to be taken into consideration to ensure a victory in November.
What most posters seem to miss is that if Sen. Obama becomes our nominee, then Sen. Clinton's future in the Democratic Party is dependent on his success. If he fails to win in November and it even LOOKS as if she hasn't campaigned wholeheartedly for his election, she doesn't stand a chance for the nomination in 2012 and Sen. Clinton is smart enough to know that.
And if Sen. Clinton does campaign wholeheartedly for Sen. Obama, as she has repeatedly said she would, and he wins in November, a run in 2012 would be out of the question because she would then have to run against a sitting president - of her own party. She simply wouldn't be able to get any support, political or financial, for such a run.

Busboy · 1 year ago

She's got a major speech planned in New York. The piece is on Britbart; but their website won't respond (traffic)? Don't know.

hawkseye · 1 year ago

Yes, HuffPo has headlined it this morning.

Busboy · 1 year ago

That would be Breitbart, of course

Busboy · 1 year ago

Nobody wants to be an irrelevant superdelegate. It means you won't get a job in the new administration. However, if you hold out, and by some chance Hillary gets the nomination? Then you would be "golden".

Busboy · 1 year ago

Her speech is set for tuesday night:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9122KC...