And John I smell a Beltway club that feels very much threatened and this kind of shit is going to go down and sadly the sheeple will eat the shit and pull the McCain lever. Johnny and Cindy will be Teflon'd by the media.
TomJoad
· 1 year ago
The US is officially seventh grade all over. Not EVEN high-school. Seventh grade..maybe eighth.
Look, Obama has a lot more forward focus, Hillary is out of the race, so I think if Obama wanted to send a message like that...1) it wouldn't be Obama...he didn't stoop down to her level in this race at all, 2) what for...
This is just more "me, me, me" focus that was Clintons problem from the start. Someone ought to really let her and her supporters know it is over, and the world is NOT revolving around her phony persona anymore.
But hey, if she wants to read "fuck you" into it...that's up to her.
jr
· 1 year ago
the shit stirring corporate media will do anything to get supply sider McCombover elected. People are working 3 jobs so corporations can have a tax cut
bumpkis
· 1 year ago
Not that I agree or disagree with this....but FWIW...
By August, they'll have done something to try and pick away at Obama's popularity. They'll emphasis race, or whatever they can to get him to appear less than perfect. Then, they'll bring out of the woodwork a surprise candidate who can shift the story fast. With just two months before the election -- the new candidate will have little time to be 'vetted' but will be shiny and new, and will get a lot of media attention as Obama's newness will have become -- by then -- tarnished or at least no longer the surprise that it has been as he unseated Hillary.
michaelt
· 1 year ago
i tend to agree with that article. i think the only one that thinks mccain has a chance is mccain. and even he might be jiving.
TomJoad
· 1 year ago
You know what...the appropriate phrase is the old "if you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem".
Folks that want to go out of their way to look for a "fuxk you" and get all ruffled...you know what, we got too many SERIOUS problems to screw around with you. If you can't be constructive, get the hell out of the way and stop throwing chaff in the way.
Seriously, the media has the focus of a puppy dog and just can't wait for a NON-POLITICAL, and no-brainer scandal..you really want to give it to 'em for you lirrle pissy hurt feelings? Obama (who won...recall...while the bozos that had already lost went on to piss away kids bike money, for NOTHING...when it wasn't even possible to win..nice, good judgement call that..) isn't going to be asking permission to hire folks he thinks are right for the campaign.
LeesiD
· 1 year ago
Are we going to constantly be bombarded with whiny Clinton surrogates/supporters tall the way through November?? Patti Solis Doyle is a Chicago native, who knows some of the lead Chicago-based advisors to Barack Obama, the Senator from Illinois, by the way. It seems pretty logical to me that she would be hired by the Obama campaign, given how the Hillary camp, who has a affinity for blaming others besides the candidate herself for running a lousy campaign, and has been MIA since her stunning defeat in the primaries, can put unemployed Hillary-people to work, for the sake of Party-unity.
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
It was reported 2 months ago that Patti S-D was talking to the Obama campaign. This is NOT news. And besides, who is this Insider/donor? Anyone from Mark Penn to some unknown phone canvasser?
Please. Patti S-D and Obama talking, and their agreement for her to come on board was mutual.
Sore losers are such children.
falloch
· 1 year ago
I think this is totally believable, and scary. McSame may not even have to step down, he may have just keeled over by end of August. I really hope Obama's team and the entire Party machine considers this a possibility to be concerned about and proactively planned for.
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
I swear, I'm going to start calling this country The Juvenile States of America...
caphillprof
· 1 year ago
This is right up there with the Hillary folk having a booth Sunday at DC's gay pride festival.
blackwolf
· 1 year ago
Exactly: He's hiring the person he feels that will best fit the position. At some point, we're all going to get mighty tired of what Hillary wants. I'm hoping the media will step up to a higher level of reporting the news. I'm also hoping Hillary will step and put and end to all of this.
She's a smart woman, but she's still smarting from losing to Obama. If she were serious about totally supporting Obama, she'd come forward and make a statement rejecting all the hype.
lilybart
· 1 year ago
She is an old Chicago operative, friend of Axelrod for years I am told. She is hispanic. Can that be all there is to this?
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
Could be. The question still lingers, though...if she's a friend of Axelrod's, why did she join the Clinton campaign in the first place? I must admit, I am suspicious of "professional political operatives" although I'm sure she's talented. Let's see what she contributes to the Obama campaign first.
arubyan
· 1 year ago
Just wait a minute. You mean to tell me that you hire a chief of staff for some as-yet-unnamed VP candidate?
How does that work?
Wouldn't the chief of staff be someone that the VP candidate would, I don't know, actually choose for themselves?
ComradeRutherford
· 1 year ago
The logic is this: Patti SD once worked for Hillary's campaign, she left early this year over severe differences in how the campaign was to be run.
Since PAtti and Hillary don't get along any more, Obama's hiring of a known enemy of Hillary is therefore an insult to every woman in America!
QED!
katiec
· 1 year ago
Oh for crying out loud. What happened to hiring someone because they are qualified? Speaking as an elderly woman in America, am getting so tired of these outlandish statements. He hired a woman. Doesn't that say something for him. It appears to me the Clintons began mismanaging their anything to win campaign AFTER she left. Ladies, get real.
jwhit
· 1 year ago
ARTICLE UPDATE
UPDATE: Clinton spokesman Mo Elleithee e-mails with a different take: “Patti will be an asset and good addition to the Obama campaign. After nearly two decades in political life, she brings with her the ability to tap an extensive network that will be a huge asset to Senator Obama. As Senator Clinton has said, we’re all going to do our part to help elect Senator Obama as the next President of the United States.”
ZennButtKicker (tlhwraith)
· 1 year ago
I dunno, I'm not quite sure I think the timing of hiring Miss Doyle was all that great. As much as an asset as she could potentially be, the fact remains that she was canned by Clinton and it isn't a huge stretch of the imagination for pro-Clinton people to see it as a slight to her to hire someone she fired.
In my mind, there doesn't seem to be a huge plus to hiring her now and there are signinficant PR minuses to doing it. I wish they had waiting until after they announced the VP slot, then it would look less like he was using the HR decision as a way to "send a message" to the Clintons.
Also, if it was supposed to be a positive nod at Clinton and her people, to hire a long time friend like Doyle, why not choose one that made it to the end of the campaign, maybe Maggie williams?
okojo
· 1 year ago
The New York Observer isn' like a newspaper where Clinton's staff and praetorian guard would kiss and tell. The New York Observer is more atune to Frederick Kagan's eating binges or his brother's preening in front of the mirror, or his Daddy Kagan feasting on Iranian Baby Flesh...
I would guess that the source is someone like Joe Klein or Dick Morris.
warsaw
· 1 year ago
John, to me it's an obvious dis in that she was hired as the chief of staff for the VP candidate. It's been published that Solis Doyle has not spoken to Hillary since she was canned and so the idea that she would be designated as chief of Hillary's staff if she (Hill) were to be appointed is beyond comprehension. If Clinton has already been told she won't be VP then this is kind of a back-handed way of announcing it. If she still thinks she's in contention then it's an awkward way of telling her that she's out. Even if this is all wrong there's the perception of a dis and that might be satisfying for those of us who thought Hill's behavior toward Obama was reprehensible, but maybe a poor move (trivial and probably harmless) on the part of his operatives who didn't think it through. If Solis Doyle was hired just as a regular campaign executive and not on the VP staff then the Clinton's have nothing to complain about. She's probably really smart and knows where the money (and bodies) is buried and besides, if every one the Clinton's offhandedly discarded (their "vast carelessness" is Fitzgeraldian) were off limits to potential employers, nobody in Washington would have a job.
JacksonThersites
· 1 year ago
Why take this seriously if we don't know the bundler's name? This is garbage journalism stinking up the neighborhood. Pathetic. If you don't name the source how can we make any judgement as to the political insightfulness of the bundler's analysis or whether the bundler had an ongoing feud with Doyle and this story is the whirrring grindstone or even the veracity of the story itself? Again this story is garbage.
DougStamate
· 1 year ago
An official Clinton spokesperson issued a release that praised both Solis Doyle and Sen. Obama for hiring her. I believe the release also quoted Sen. Clinton as being pleased by the hiring, stating that Doyle was an excellent choice. If Senator Clinton doesn't hold anything against Doyle, why should these people? Obviously because the ones "upset" by her being hired are those advisors and "supporters" of Sen. Clinton whose bad advice played a part in the senator's loss in the primaries.
KansasModerate
· 1 year ago
After the "great job" Ms. Doyle did for Hillary I'm surprised that Obama would want her involved in his campaign.
shell
· 1 year ago
It is like a double-negative. If you do badly for a campaign that got even worse after you left, were YOU the cause of the bad campaign?
KISSman
· 1 year ago
I think the news networks were the most amusing to follow yesterday.
Before this story about the Clinton bundler being offended, some news shows were talking about it it meant that Hillary was a favorite for the job or, at least, understood it to be a good gesture towards Clinton. Then this story broke and then they all were like, "Oh, that's a slap in the face." Make up your mind!
This was a quote from one person and I don't know why we should see this person as the spokesperson for the entire Clinton campaign. They're just bitter and they are trying to cause trouble.
Sugapea
· 1 year ago
It's hardly disinformation...it's clearly a message to Hillary and her supporters.
TV's talking head's yesterday overwhelmingly said this was an 'unwise move'. VP's have always hired their own personal Chief Of Staff.
Obama has done nothing to court the Clinton supporters...unlike McCain's recent efforts to win over disaffected Hillary supporters who could hold the balance of power in several swing states this fall.
I fear Obama's peeps may have made a mistake with this action and could turn off many a Dem voter.
shell
· 1 year ago
Bring it on! With the ever-growing population of Hispanic voters, this is NOT good for the GOP. So far, they have alienated almost every group, even half the evangelicals.
All Comments
Look, Obama has a lot more forward focus, Hillary is out of the race, so I think if Obama wanted to send a message like that...1) it wouldn't be Obama...he didn't stoop down to her level in this race at all, 2) what for...
This is just more "me, me, me" focus that was Clintons problem from the start. Someone ought to really let her and her supporters know it is over, and the world is NOT revolving around her phony persona anymore.
But hey, if she wants to read "fuck you" into it...that's up to her.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20080616/cm_hu...
McCain won't be the nominee.
By August, they'll have done something to try and pick away at Obama's popularity. They'll emphasis race, or whatever they can to get him to appear less than perfect. Then, they'll bring out of the woodwork a surprise candidate who can shift the story fast. With just two months before the election -- the new candidate will have little time to be 'vetted' but will be shiny and new, and will get a lot of media attention as Obama's newness will have become -- by then -- tarnished or at least no longer the surprise that it has been as he unseated Hillary.
Folks that want to go out of their way to look for a "fuxk you" and get all ruffled...you know what, we got too many SERIOUS problems to screw around with you. If you can't be constructive, get the hell out of the way and stop throwing chaff in the way.
Seriously, the media has the focus of a puppy dog and just can't wait for a NON-POLITICAL, and no-brainer scandal..you really want to give it to 'em for you lirrle pissy hurt feelings? Obama (who won...recall...while the bozos that had already lost went on to piss away kids bike money, for NOTHING...when it wasn't even possible to win..nice, good judgement call that..) isn't going to be asking permission to hire folks he thinks are right for the campaign.
Please. Patti S-D and Obama talking, and their agreement for her to come on board was mutual.
Sore losers are such children.
She's a smart woman, but she's still smarting from losing to Obama. If she were serious about totally supporting Obama, she'd come forward and make a statement rejecting all the hype.
How does that work?
Wouldn't the chief of staff be someone that the VP candidate would, I don't know, actually choose for themselves?
Patti SD once worked for Hillary's campaign, she left early this year over severe differences in how the campaign was to be run.
Since PAtti and Hillary don't get along any more, Obama's hiring of a known enemy of Hillary is therefore an insult to every woman in America!
QED!
are qualified? Speaking as an elderly woman in America, am getting so
tired of these outlandish statements.
He hired a woman. Doesn't that say something for him. It appears to
me the Clintons began mismanaging their anything to win campaign
AFTER she left. Ladies, get real.
UPDATE: Clinton spokesman Mo Elleithee e-mails with a different take: “Patti will be an asset and good addition to the Obama campaign. After nearly two decades in political life, she brings with her the ability to tap an extensive network that will be a huge asset to Senator Obama. As Senator Clinton has said, we’re all going to do our part to help elect Senator Obama as the next President of the United States.”
In my mind, there doesn't seem to be a huge plus to hiring her now and there are signinficant PR minuses to doing it. I wish they had waiting until after they announced the VP slot, then it would look less like he was using the HR decision as a way to "send a message" to the Clintons.
Also, if it was supposed to be a positive nod at Clinton and her people, to hire a long time friend like Doyle, why not choose one that made it to the end of the campaign, maybe Maggie williams?
I would guess that the source is someone like Joe Klein or Dick Morris.
Even if this is all wrong there's the perception of a dis and that might be satisfying for those of us who thought Hill's behavior toward Obama was reprehensible, but maybe a poor move (trivial and probably harmless) on the part of his operatives who didn't think it through.
If Solis Doyle was hired just as a regular campaign executive and not on the VP staff then the Clinton's have nothing to complain about. She's probably really smart and knows where the money (and bodies) is buried and besides, if every one the Clinton's offhandedly discarded (their "vast carelessness" is Fitzgeraldian) were off limits to potential employers, nobody in Washington would have a job.
If Senator Clinton doesn't hold anything against Doyle, why should these people? Obviously because the ones "upset" by her being hired are those advisors and "supporters" of Sen. Clinton whose bad advice played a part in the senator's loss in the primaries.
Before this story about the Clinton bundler being offended, some news shows were talking about it it meant that Hillary was a favorite for the job or, at least, understood it to be a good gesture towards Clinton. Then this story broke and then they all were like, "Oh, that's a slap in the face." Make up your mind!
This was a quote from one person and I don't know why we should see this person as the spokesperson for the entire Clinton campaign. They're just bitter and they are trying to cause trouble.
TV's talking head's yesterday overwhelmingly said this was an 'unwise move'. VP's have always hired their own personal Chief Of Staff.
Obama has done nothing to court the Clinton supporters...unlike McCain's recent efforts to win over disaffected Hillary supporters who could hold the balance of power in several swing states this fall.
I fear Obama's peeps may have made a mistake with this action and could turn off many a Dem voter.
Keep it up, guys.