AMERICAblog: If McCain is recanting his Keating Five confession then he's recanting his entire status as a reform
RonNYC
· 1 year ago
Maybe McCain's "mistake" was getting caught.
Shlomo
· 1 year ago
Sen. McCain is the Senate's version of OJ Simpson. Commits a crime, gets caught, gets off easy and refuses to learn from his past behavior. Like OJ, John McCain thinks he was 'profiled' because he was a Republican. He forgets about the three (or four) Democrats that stood 'trial' next to him. Were they 'persecuted', too?
MNUSA
· 1 year ago
Bushspeak: If you repeat something often enough, it becomes the truth.
wmstram
· 1 year ago
Could be just a way to change the conversation. One could see a "did he" or "didn't he" thing going on with this and distract from the waddacallit ... THE ECONOMY!
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
I don't think so. It's a pretty idiotic way to change the subject, by pulling out the underpinning of your entire "maverick' status
Gridlock
· 1 year ago
.. except the people he appeals to have the memory of a goldfish and franly don't care about such things as details.
All they hear are "terrorist" and "maverick"
uess
· 1 year ago
These guys are making "Wag the Dog" look like a documentary.
FunMe
· 1 year ago
McCrazyCain will be famous for not only losing the presidency in 2008 but also losing his mind!
Apphouse50
· 1 year ago
Like he cares.
He's been called out on his lies and obfuscations repeatedly during this campaign and yet he continues to insist on repeating them. He's betting that he has more cred than the media, and to some extent I suppose that's true: he is a former POW, you know. But it's wearing thin and he and that lameass running mate he chose are determined to go down fighting, unwilling to admit their weapons are obsolete. Kinda like him.
monopole
· 1 year ago
He just cant remember Keating, or W or Palin or breakfast.
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 1 year ago
I would call McCain's recantation and blame-gaming on K5.... being "ERRATIC IN A CRISIS."
cmccbald
· 1 year ago
FunMe writes: "McCrazyCain will be famous for not only losing the presidency in 2008 but also losing his mind!"
Yes.
And his soul. As the original post notes, McCain's admission of guilt and acceptance of reprimand has been the source of his status as a maverick and a reformer.
Well, that and his POW status.
By the way, for the difference between McCain and a real hero, read the piece in the current Rolling Stone by Tim Dickinson. Compare and contrast John McCain and John Dramesi.
canuck55
· 1 year ago
So I guess Brokaw will really grill McCain on the Keating Five... oh, who the fuck am I kidding?
brian
· 1 year ago
Did he click his heals 3 times and say, "I am not a member of the Keating 5, I am not a member of the Keating 5?"
I was it was that simple to get rid of bad decisions I made in my life.
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
so, he's NOT a mavericky, reforming, clean up the corruption guy, then. good. that's settled.
i guess the tear-jerker story about how he came out of the POW prison a changed-man-who-suddenly-loved-this-great-country-of-ours is bullshit too?
what are people to believe about a guy this desperate to win?
canuck55
· 1 year ago
They should believe that he is this desperate to win (and will do anything, and I mean anything, to win).
gwpriester
· 1 year ago
George Lakoff in his excellent book on framing, Don't Think of an Elephant, says you should not directly address something you have been accused of because this only reinforces the accusation (or words to that effect). So this is excellent because by forcing the McCain camp to defend themselves, they are reinforcing the notion that he did something wrong.
EmGD
· 1 year ago
I bet the media will stop believing he's a maverick any second now. Honest. Someone ought to tell Johnny that if he's gonna sell his soul he better do it for something better than a distant second place next time.
Once a McCrook and Liar, always a McCrook and Liar.
Reason0Politics1
· 1 year ago
the sort of tragedy here is this endless list of hypocracy and shit on mcsame here is only preaching to the choir. the morons i work with that are mcsame supporters will be, even if we prove hes a pure criminal. seriously. they are the same people that still support bush, even in the face of absolute destruction. no amount of information can change the moronic faux viewers beliefs. they dont care about facts. they like palin. its enough to make one apathetic!
Gramm was always Wall Street's man in the Senate. As chairman of the Senate Banking Committee during the Clinton administration, he consistently underfunded the Securities and Exchange Commission and kept it from stopping accounting firms from auditing corporations with which they had conflicts of interest. Gramm's piece de resistance came on Dec. 15, 2000, when he slipped into an omnibus spending bill a provision called the Commodity Futures Modernization Act (CFMA), which prohibited any governmental regulation of credit default swaps, those insurance policies covering losses on securities in the event they went belly up. As the housing bubble ballooned, the face value of those swaps rose to a tidy $62 trillion. And as the housing bubble burst, those swaps became a massive pile of worthless paper, because no government agency had required the banks to set aside money to back them up.
The CFMA also prohibited government regulation of the energy-trading market, which enabled Enron to nearly bankrupt the state of California before bankrupting itself.
The problem with this exercise, of course, is that Gramm's relationship to McCain is not comparable to the relationships that Ayers or Wright have with Obama. The idea that either Ayers or Wright would have any impact on the workings of an Obama administration is nonsensical. But Gramm and McCain do have an enduring political and economic alliance. McCain chaired Gramm's short-lived presidential campaign in 1996; Gramm is co-chair of McCain's current effort. McCain has not repudiated reports that Gramm is on the shortlist to become Treasury secretary if McCain is elected, even after Gramm labeled America "a nation of whiners."
Reason0Politics1
· 1 year ago
GREAT Info, thanks for this. yep.
nsr
· 1 year ago
why did he admit all these years to making a giant mistake during the Keating Five fiasco. Mr Rove thinks honesty is a flaw.
I hope Obama brings this up tomorrow. It will make the steam that came out of McCain's ears over "bomb bomb Iran" look like happy little clouds.
AngryOne
· 1 year ago
None other than John McCain himself admits Keating 5 was no smear against him:
I'm not sure he even knows what he is doing anymore. Could whatever is going on in his mind even be characterized as "thinking?"
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Good.
Let's relitigate that case over the next month.
slappymagoo
· 1 year ago
If McMaverickety ever took the time to understand the internets, he'd understand that the words you speak one day can be more easily used against you another day, because they're that much easier to find. The McMaverickety campaign seems to be one of assuming no one ever remembers what happened yesterday, let alone 20 years ago, therefore you can say whatever you want about yourself to make you look good, and anything about your opponents to make them look bad, and who's gonna know?
But the internet can turn anyone with the time and energy into a fact-checker, and when they post ehri findings it makes it that much easier for the people who don't have the time and energy. At that point, all you can do is attack the fact-checkers, then attack the fact-checkers who fact-checked the fact-checkers, then assign YOUR OWN fact-checkers to smear the other fact-checkers with lies that will easily be disproven by fact-checkers.
There will always be liars in politics. There will always be people willing to believe your lies because they agree with your positions in politics. But the internet suree has a way ot forcing believers into nonbelievers and vice versa, and it's only gonna get worse for the liars as things go along, if there really is a God in heaven (and even if there's not).
Reason0Politics1
· 1 year ago
but slappy... with the basic faux viewer, that view is accurate. they hear only what they want to hear, nevermind the facts.
and largely, even most liberals too. Look at the thousands of professional engineers, pilots, architects, scientists,etc that have all sworn that whatever the real truth is, the Keene Commission on 911 is BS. I wont pretend to think i know who really is responsible, but we do KNOW that the pure BS of the official investigation is crap. That we need a valid, real investigation to understand how it went down. But most liberals, along with the rest of this dumb ass country, refuses to even look at the suspect information, choosing to comfortably believe what they are told, so as to not upset the apple cart.
indigo7275
· 1 year ago
just another way to keep the media in an uproar for the next 3-5 days...and totally off the subject of the meltdown happening on wall street... what a mess...the dow drops over 300 points (500 pts. at one time during the day) the lowest it has been in over 4 years...under 10,000 points...over 700,000 jobs lost since January, almost 10,000 foreclosures a day...and we care if McSame says this was a smear job...we should be nailing him with the economy EVERY CHANCE WE GET...stay on topic that matters most to the working class "economic engine" of the U.S.
Reason0Politics1
· 1 year ago
o..btw way... this month..we begin seeing some of the derivatives being called in... hold on to your horses.. because fannie and freddie..well..they are defaulted and on the hook for trillions....
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All they hear are "terrorist" and "maverick"
He's been called out on his lies and obfuscations repeatedly during this campaign and yet he continues to insist on repeating them. He's betting that he has more cred than the media, and to some extent I suppose that's true: he is a former POW, you know. But it's wearing thin and he and that lameass running mate he chose are determined to go down fighting, unwilling to admit their weapons are obsolete. Kinda like him.
Yes.
And his soul. As the original post notes, McCain's admission of guilt and acceptance of reprimand has been the source of his status as a maverick and a reformer.
Well, that and his POW status.
By the way, for the difference between McCain and a real hero, read the piece in the current Rolling Stone by Tim Dickinson. Compare and contrast John McCain and John Dramesi.
I was it was that simple to get rid of bad decisions I made in my life.
i guess the tear-jerker story about how he came out of the POW prison a changed-man-who-suddenly-loved-this-great-country-of-ours is bullshit too?
what are people to believe about a guy this desperate to win?
http://thesebastards.blogspot.com/
Gramm was always Wall Street's man in the Senate. As chairman of the Senate Banking Committee during the Clinton administration, he consistently underfunded the Securities and Exchange Commission and kept it from stopping accounting firms from auditing corporations with which they had conflicts of interest. Gramm's piece de resistance came on Dec. 15, 2000, when he slipped into an omnibus spending bill a provision called the Commodity Futures Modernization Act (CFMA), which prohibited any governmental regulation of credit default swaps, those insurance policies covering losses on securities in the event they went belly up. As the housing bubble ballooned, the face value of those swaps rose to a tidy $62 trillion. And as the housing bubble burst, those swaps became a massive pile of worthless paper, because no government agency had required the banks to set aside money to back them up.
The CFMA also prohibited government regulation of the energy-trading market, which enabled Enron to nearly bankrupt the state of California before bankrupting itself.
The problem with this exercise, of course, is that Gramm's relationship to McCain is not comparable to the relationships that Ayers or Wright have with Obama. The idea that either Ayers or Wright would have any impact on the workings of an Obama administration is nonsensical. But Gramm and McCain do have an enduring political and economic alliance. McCain chaired Gramm's short-lived presidential campaign in 1996; Gramm is co-chair of McCain's current effort. McCain has not repudiated reports that Gramm is on the shortlist to become Treasury secretary if McCain is elected, even after Gramm labeled America "a nation of whiners."
I hope Obama brings this up tomorrow. It will make the steam that came out of McCain's ears over "bomb bomb Iran" look like happy little clouds.
em>"The fact is, it was the wrong thing to do, and it will be on my tombstone and deservedly so."
John McCain, on his Keating 5 role, December 1999.
Let's relitigate that case over the next month.
But the internet can turn anyone with the time and energy into a fact-checker, and when they post ehri findings it makes it that much easier for the people who don't have the time and energy. At that point, all you can do is attack the fact-checkers, then attack the fact-checkers who fact-checked the fact-checkers, then assign YOUR OWN fact-checkers to smear the other fact-checkers with lies that will easily be disproven by fact-checkers.
There will always be liars in politics. There will always be people willing to believe your lies because they agree with your positions in politics. But the internet suree has a way ot forcing believers into nonbelievers and vice versa, and it's only gonna get worse for the liars as things go along, if there really is a God in heaven (and even if there's not).
and largely, even most liberals too. Look at the thousands of professional engineers, pilots, architects, scientists,etc that have all sworn that whatever the real truth is, the Keene Commission on 911 is BS. I wont pretend to think i know who really is responsible, but we do KNOW that the pure BS of the official investigation is crap. That we need a valid, real investigation to understand how it went down. But most liberals, along with the rest of this dumb ass country, refuses to even look at the suspect information, choosing to comfortably believe what they are told, so as to not upset the apple cart.
what a mess...the dow drops over 300 points (500 pts. at one time during the day) the lowest it has been in over 4 years...under 10,000 points...over 700,000 jobs lost since January, almost 10,000 foreclosures a day...and we care if McSame says this was a smear job...we should be nailing him with the economy EVERY CHANCE WE GET...stay on topic that matters most to the working class "economic engine" of the U.S.