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AMERICAblog: Increasingly desperate McCain accuses Obama of flip-flopping on the Holocaust

  • lynchie · 1 year ago
    John you will wait till your hair falls out for the Dems to stand up. They live up to every criticism thrown at them. My wife one time opined that she wondered if the Dems just liked keeping their jobs and had no higher goals. Get paid big money, take the kickbacks, take the trips, take the power and not create any waves. They don't represent their constituents any better than the Repubs and have not one ounce of passion or committement. They approve every piece of camel dung that Bush has thrown at them for the past 7 and a half years. But they all became millionaires and love their free health care, their life long pension and all the perks. Why take on running the government when it is easier to sit back eat a steak and laugh at the people who elected them.
  • SouthernYankee · 1 year ago
    Well I guess they learned well from the republicans who all stuck together and ruined this country. I am sure President Obama will get the pride back in the democrats and in our country.
  • lynchie · 1 year ago
    I am not worried about Obama. I am just disappointed that our supposed Dem leaders don't stand up for themselves. They just have a habit of rolling over for Bush and the right wing MF"s in the Republican party.
  • SouthernYankee · 1 year ago
    Obama has a leadership quality to him. What I like about him is that he is not a hothead like McCain. Also he has a lot of confidence in himself and he can defend himself when the need comes up. Now alot of democrats dont have the balls to stand up. But with leadership from Obama they are starting to show some balls. Let us give them a chance.
  • ron071 · 1 year ago
    There is one major flaw in lynchie's reasoning. Give the Democrats real voting control in Congress-free of Republican obstructionism- and then assess what they will get done. Think about it. Voting control tells it all. 6 years of total Republican control + 2 years of Republican obstruction= the disasters we face today. You are clearly wrong to pin this on the party out of power.
  • lynchie · 1 year ago
    Part of the responsibility in being elected is to stand up for your constituents. if you lose to the majority so be it. But how many votes have been stopped by the blue dog dems. The lieberman's who while not a Dem has power and heads a committee. The repubs for you information have been in power in Congress for 12 years (4 while Clinton was President). I also think their job is to vocally stand together and call a spade a shovel. That has not happened, they have supported continued votes on funding the war, have approved everyone of Bush's appointees without doing the same obstructionist tactics used by the Republicans. While I despise the right, I will say this for them, they vote as a block and attack at every turn. We need some of the same from Pelosi, Feinstein, Schummer, Reid, Biden, et al.
  • ron071 · 1 year ago
    lynchie: You make some good points but the bottom line is voting power.
    Yes, Blue Dogs are often a problem. A much larger Democratic majority will, in
    combination with a progressive president, carry the day. A large election
    mandate will surely encourage the Blue Dogs to be less of a problem. My recall
    is that there have been several Bush appointees rejected by the Democrats
    but not enough of them. I'm sure that you can agree that a hefty Democratic
    majority with a strong presidential mandate will vastly improve the performance
    we both seek. Ron



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  • Slim Cognito · 1 year ago
    Hmm, in reading Politico's story, I clicked the link regarding RNC response to Obama's "Auschwitz gaffe" and subsequent correction. It reads thus

    "RNC spokesman Alex Conant, who said earlier that Obama's mistake raised questions about his "readiness to lead", moderates a bit: "At times it appears that Barack Obama inaccurately recalls his own history and American history, so it’s important that we point to the facts. In this case, we’re happy to see that he took the time to set the record straight."

    So if I put 2 and 2 together, RNC says Obama isn't ready to lead because he confused Auschwitz and Orduf but McCain can't keep the time line straight between the Anbar Awakening and the surge, which was what, 18 months ago to two years ago?. Guess by that standard, McCain isn't ready to lead either.
  • ron071 · 1 year ago
    It is reasonable to expect a misstatement from any candidate from time to time. What is important is how they make a sincere attempt at correction or do they compound the felony with obfuscation as do the McSame folks who have so very many errors to correct that the Rove response is to confuse and attack any who dare to correct them?
  • SouthernYankee · 1 year ago
    Quick put a binky in baby McCain's mouth to shut him up. OMG stop the whining please spare us.
  • bob915 · 1 year ago
    Sorry SouthernYankee, didn't ya hear,those binkies from Malaysia got recalled.........we'll just have to put up with it til....................Obama's Inaugaration!
  • SouthernYankee · 1 year ago
    Wow I didnt know that. That was really funny. I am still laughing. Only a mother would get it.
  • OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago
    The MSM just showed Obama in Israel. I thought at first it was Joe LIEberman up there talking.

    I'm getting more disillusioned every day.
  • lynchie · 1 year ago
    Well we can't forget GW when he was running who said "I will have a kinder and gentler administration". America bought that load of crap without a whimper. I agree in being disillusioned, but, I guess it is the price Obama pays to get elected. You have to pander to every group, kiss ass, take names, kiss babies and on and on. The proof will be when he is elected and starts to lead the country. Will it be a continuation of status quo or will he move in a new direction. Even more important is control of Congress. Will Congress allow him to change if they dig their heels in we are in for 4 years or more of no progress and the plight of middle and low income earners might be sealed forever.
    Imagine we have found the will to piss away $3 trillion on a war and can't find money for health care for all. I read somewhere recently a right winger saying we can't have universal health care because there would be too many people waiting. Maybe if doctors had time to treat patients and not fill out bullshit forms for the Insurance companies they could actually practice their craft. A lot will also depend on who he puts into key positions like Attorney General, Vice President, etc. Interesting times.
  • Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas · 1 year ago
    This is the sign of a party in desperation and dying. Karl Rove needs to be getting dry butt fucked in a prison cell by a man with fourteen thick inches. No lube and no prep. Fucked until he is dead. Oh wait...that is what he got nightly from Jeffy Lube. Sorry my bad
  • gaiilonfong · 1 year ago
    Miss Piggy Rover the fister bottom is really desperate
  • Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago
    McCain is flip flopping on reality.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    The McSame camp's polling of the election must show them that McSame is going to lose the race by a giant landslide for Obama.
  • ron071 · 1 year ago
    hawkseye brings up a point that I've been wondring about for some time. Why are the polling results so contrary to the empirical evidence?
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    I am certainly not an expert, but I think the kind of targeted polling with pointed subject matter questions that the campaigns conduct has more useful results---to them, at least.
    I don't pay any attention to national polls, especially at this point. State by state is more to the point and even then, I am leery. I would be surprised if Obama actually wins California by 24 points, for instance, as the recent Field Poll suggests. He's going to win the state, and by a comfortable margin, but, although I would love it, I doubt the 24 points.
    I would be interested to see what others have to say, too.
  • ron071 · 1 year ago
    hawksee: I'll add to the dialogue by saying that polling is highly
    subjective and " results" can be influenced by many factors if that is the intent.
    When called for poll particiapation I always ask the caller who is paying for
    the poll. Always the response is they don't know. This lack of clarity of $
    source is disturbing and may indeed reflect bias. So I agree that polls are
    highly suspect and empirical evidence is probably a better indicator.
    Here's where the media come in as they too can shape their work to favor their
    bias. It's a tough call to get accurate information. Ron



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  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    Agree with all you say and thanks for pointing out the who's paying for it angle.
  • ron071 · 1 year ago
    Hawkseye: It has been very interesting communicating with you. May I call
    to your attention some very recent comments on Americablog tonight regarding
    the issue ( polling ) we've been discussing. If you put 1+1 together we may
    have uncovered the Rove plan for stealing the next ( 3rd) election.. Control
    ( buy ) the polls so there is a perception of a close race and then, with
    the help of the large corporations which make and can control the new voting
    machines, theft of the election can be effected. A one-two punch to = another
    election theft. That's how the theft of Ohio was carried out in 2004 by the
    then Republican Secretary of State in Ohio. So the Republicans already have
    experience with theft of elections and may just refine their methodologgy for
    2008..Hopefully, the DNC and local Democrats will get the word on this and
    thwart it. It is rather easy to thwart it. First, some indenpendent
    pollsters start releasing accurate results to eliminate the created perception of a
    close race. Secondly, paper trails or recorders at key polling places to
    validate honest machines which have not been tampered with by Diebold. Best,
    Ron



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  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    I've enjoyed our discussion, too.
    Yes, election theft is a terrible thought. I hope and pray the Obama campaign is on it.
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    I'm beginning to like Obama more and more. He just adopted the Bush/McCain policy on Iran: He's not the black candidate anymore; he's the chamelion candidate.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idU...
  • scottinsf · 1 year ago
    Your heroes Bush/McCain are toast though. Doesn't matter whether you like Obama now or not.
  • Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago
    Busboy is increasingly desperate.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    And he needs to improve his spelling.
  • ron071 · 1 year ago
    Busboy, what exactly is the " Bush/McCain policy on Iran"? It's clear that you've gotten terribly confused.
  • EmGD · 1 year ago
    I guess Joe Lieberman was too busy to sink this low. But good work John-boy, I'm sure calling people who say 'never again' to genocide insincere liars appeals to some sub-section of voters.

    http://thesebastards.blogspot.com/
  • ron071 · 1 year ago
    There are so very many good reasons for the McSame campaign to be desperate. McSame is the most unqualified candidate in recent history except for the Bushman. His unlikely election would, however, do more damage on top of the disasters of Bushman. Rove's fingerprints are all over the McSame campaign. Combine Rove, Gramm ( still advising McCain ) and McCain and you find one hell of another disaster in the wings.
  • vwcat · 1 year ago
    As lowlife as the attack was, I am betting what Peres is saying about Obama is making a bigger impression. About waiting his whole life for a great president...and saying it to Obama personally. hmmmm.
    Seems he was quite taken with Obama.
    And I think Jewish American are taking that and the deeply respectful and powerful pictures of Obama visiting the site and laying the wreath with them more then the lowlife attacks, which are coming more and more desperate each day, from McCain.
    Obama has said he will not attack his rival from overseas and will not respond until he is home. But, this will be in his favor when he points out how he was respecting the 'water's edge' and McCain was out of control.
    Actually, Obama doesn't have to say anything. McCain has become a joke all on his own and democrats know this.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    I think he is a joke to us, but I don't know about all of the people who are not paying very close attention yet.
  • CitizenX · 1 year ago
    LOL... did you see the ridiculous "the media is in love" song contest on the mcsame website?
  • jr · 1 year ago
    "republicans can use the Holocaust whenever they want"-Abe Foxman of the ADL