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AMERICAblog: Iraq just screwed us on oil prices

  • blueoysterjoe · 1 year ago
    Dude, you are so right, both in content and in tone.

    I want Iraq to start writing us checks now. By my count, they have nearly a trillion dollars they owe us.

    You would think that this is an issue where liberals and conservatives could come together as one, but I guess we still need to wait for conservatives to grow something more than a brain stem for that to happen.
  • lucky hussein · 1 year ago
    what do they 'owe' us for exactly? liberating them? please... 1.5 million dead? millions more refugees? forcing anyone with intelligence and/or money to get the hell out? destroying their infrastructure? we went went there for 1 reason: oil - whether to suppress it or exploit it is another argument..
  • blueoysterjoe · 1 year ago
    If, as you say, we only invaded for oil, then they owe us oil. Your words.
  • lucky hussein · 1 year ago
    I see. So wherever we want to get or supress oil, we just go and do it, and then those people 'owe us'? just want to be clear. your words.
  • Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago
    What are we doing there?

    Making the world safe for Democracy?
  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
    They are not our friends. They have never been our friends. Iraq was a horrible policy decision made by oil men, Bu$hco. and Cheney, who are more than happy to prop up the price of oil. We are experiencing the results of our Surpeme Court stealing the election in 2000. When we said, "We will never get over it!" This is what we meant. An Al Gore led America wouldn't be in this position. WE.WILL.NEVER.GET.OVER.IT.

    I'm with "blueoysterjoe" - "Dude, you are so right in content and in tone."

    Its just outrageous.
  • lucky hussein · 1 year ago
    ha ha ha ha ha
    what goes around comes around... they learned at the foot of their masters. capitalist pig oil companies. where's halliburton's HQ now? uh-huh.
  • Milli · 1 year ago
    We're responsible for the problem. We're the ones who started all this bullshit. You think that Bush and Cheney are angry over this? No, they're oil buddies are smiling all the way to the failed banks....
  • HelenaMontana · 1 year ago
    Well, to be fair, we DID bomb his country back to the stone age and tortured or otherwise committed mayem on his fellow citizens. We did unleash anarchy, terror, and insecurity on his country. Hundreds of thousands are dead because of us and hundreds of thousands have had to flee the country. Perhaps he's feeling a little bitter.
  • EmGD · 1 year ago
    I hope they at least made an appropriate sad face before they started pumping their fists and yelling "Cha-ching, cha-ching". It helps ease the pain a little.

    http://thesebastards.blogspot.com/
  • JohnInTexas · 1 year ago
    Oil well....guess we better gitta drill baby drillin up thar in that great state of Alyaska before that Moosebitch sells it back to Russia.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Let's not hate the Iraqis...they learned from us, the ultimate pig, sheep, goat and rug hagglers of the Imperium.
    Just like the Russians snickering at Strobe while learning from enterprising American lawyers and bureaucrats bent on Czarist jewlery traded for a few dollar bills.
    We steal because we love...
  • KerrynowCampau · 1 year ago
    Oil consumption is one of the worst things humanity is doing to itself
  • Deacon_Blues · 1 year ago
    Y'know John, I don't really care what their religion is or what their country is like (although from watching Lawrence of Arabia, it seems beautiful), or how they treat each other. All I know is that they're ripping us off, and have been for thirty years; they're no different from the big corporation that charges us megabucks for shoddy merchandise, or from the loan shark down the street who breaks our legs if we don't pay up. Nobody says anything about where the used car dealer or megagrocer lives or how they dress or act -- just that they're taking us for a freakin' ride just as long as we're stupid enough to let them. Jimmy Carter tried to tell us, but we blew him off and see where it got us.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    They are only cooperating with Big Oil.
  • Huntly · 1 year ago
    Seriously? If the oil was ours we'd do the same exact thing. Making a buck is what this world is all about no matter how you look at it.
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    This is unexpected because . . . ?
  • scottinsf · 1 year ago
    Having watched the expert response of our government to the current financial crisis I think the only prudent thing to do at this time is to develop a financial bailout to help our OPEC buddies out.
  • KerrynowCampau · 1 year ago
    You know, at this point, that wouldn't surprise me
  • bill__free · 1 year ago
    Simple response. With the financial crisis at home, the US will be drawing down troops effectively Nov. 4th due to the high price of oil and our ability to field our service members. At the current price of oil, our troops will be out of Iraq by June 2008, irrespective or the conditions on the ground in Iraq.
  • Hurrycane · 1 year ago
    Do you mean June 2009?
  • bill__free · 1 year ago
    Yes. Sorry, my age is showing.
  • Verchiel · 1 year ago
    Oil closed at around $67/bbl., yesterday, which is STILL 2x to 3x higher than it was consistently selling for before the ridiculous price spike that began in 2004.

    Sorry if you planned your future on inflated prices, oil ministry, looks like the crashing economy isn't going to cooperate.
  • bumpkis · 1 year ago
    There is a very good reason the Arab world hates us...and if you think its bad now..wait till Netanyahu gets his ass in the driver's seat again.
  • osage · 1 year ago
    George W. Bush couldn't have screwed Americans more if he was Osama bin Laden's right hand man. The most completely dishonest and incompetent president in American history "handed" Osama bin Laden and Iran the victory of all victories.........and got American soldiers and American taxpayers to pay for it!
  • flug · 1 year ago
    The only contradictory thing here is the transition away from oil was being helped immensely by the price spike.

    I work in advocacy for transportation alternatives and you can just feel support for those alternatives evaporate as the price of gas floats down to $2/gallon.

    OTOH, we don't really need all those dollars flowing out to oil producing countries . . . how about a nice fuel tax or (even better) carbon tax.

    Because of market pressures, a fuel tax ends up being paid about half by industry and half by consumers. (IE if you added a $1/gal gas tax, the price of gas would raise by about $.50/gal. So $.50/gal paid by the consumer & the rest eaten by the industry.)

    So there you have it--those nasty oil producing countries paying half our taxes for us.

    I can't figure out why this isn't the most popular tax in the books, rather than the least popular . . .
  • interlude · 1 year ago
    they may not be our friends, but they are business partners of the Bushs.
    never forget that.
  • Ben Dover · 1 year ago
    Can't Bush just "jaw-bone" with the Saudi's and OPEC and get the price lowered?

    He said he would "jaw-bone" if this were to happen.

    Really, "jaw-bone".

    /snark
  • kirkaracha · 1 year ago
    "What I think the president ought to do is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots. One reason why the price is so high is because the price of crude oil has been driven up. OPEC has gotten its supply act together, and it's driving the price, like it did in the past. And the president of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price."

    -- George W. Bush
  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
    OH.MY.GOD.

    FOX NEWS got out WAY AHEAD of a story that MSNBC is now reporting that a REPUBLICAN WINGNUT POLL WORKER from COLLEGE STATION, TX reported being assaulted by a big black man who beat her up after seeing her "McCain / Palin" bumper sticker. Another desperate Republican trying to swing the election with the help of FOX NEWS! Police have discovered the entire thing was made up and the wingnut injured herself and scrawled the "B" backwards on her face using a mirror. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA! FOX NEWS has reported this over and over without bothering to check the facts, of course. One more example of how crazy and stupid Republicans are.

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008...
  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
    Update: I totally missed this one yesterday, obviously. McCain and Palin actually VISITED the crazy wingnut who did this. I've been told they even held prayer vigils and made her a matyr for their cause. LOL! A HOAX from a crazy Republican. How so totally typical.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    I am sure Chimpy and Darth are very happy with this turn of events. They probably encouraged the Oil Minister to do this. The purpose of all operations in the area is to keep the price of oil UP.
  • bdhp · 1 year ago
    I am sure this does not surprise you?
  • Older_Wiser · 1 year ago
    Obama is right about putting money into alternative forms of energy. Screw oil--as we develop and fully implement those alternatives, we won't need oil, period. And think of all the jobs we'll create, good jobs that don't damage our only home..

    Let other countries and regions depend on their own forms of energy but the US will lead in teaching the world about clean energy. We'll become once again a moral compass for preserving our only home, earth, or suffer the consequences of our actions.
  • GWMustGo · 1 year ago
    Gosh, John... You need to stop holding back and let us know how you really feel...

    ....but I couldn't have said it better myself.

    If the price increases, we should immediately drop any contributions to the Iraqi government by the exact amount the increase costs US consumers.
  • billofwrites · 1 year ago
    wait a minute, john. yes, screw saudi arabia & kuwait. but your anger at iraq is seriously out of line. excuse me, we invaded their country, killed 100's of thousands of their civilians. displaced a million-and-a-half to 2 million of their citizens who had to flea their home country, and you're pissed because iraq asking you to pay a few more pennies for oil?! jesus, you are one sick imperialist bitch...
  • Mark in Florida · 1 year ago
    In some twisted way, this actually helps us rid ourselves of fossil fuels faster by keeping the price high. The higher the price, the faster we change. I am not so sure this is all bad. Ethical? No way. But the biproduct might by beneficial.
  • Diane_Mason · 1 year ago
    Well, boo hoo for your sense of entitlement. Since when does anyone in the world owe us cheap oil?

    If oil were the U.S.'s only natural resource - as it is the only significant natural resource of the OPEC countries - we'd be charging $250 bucks a barrel and saying take it or leave it to anyone who didn't like it.

    And Kuwait and Saudi Arabia and Iraq don't owe us anything for what we did in two Gulf Wars, because we didn't do it for them. We did it for us. Because we perceived our national interest lay in preventing Saddam's domination of Gulf oil, and thought the best way to do that was to prop up intolerant unconstitutional monarchies in the Gulf states.

    We act in our own narrow interests in the Middle East, regardless of what anyone else says, and then we want people to do us favors because we swear we did it for them all along? BS.
  • lucky hussein · 1 year ago
    well put, thank you..
  • TheOriginalDave · 1 year ago
  • jiminportlandoregon · 1 year ago
    Sorry, John, I am not with you on this one. If I were an Iraqi, I would be doing this and more after what we have done to that country and to the Iraqi citizens. We have literally destroyed their entire nation and you think they should provide us with cheap gas? Get real!
  • Kcunac · 1 year ago
    I'm a dissenter too.

    They never asked us to spent a dime on them.

    We bought it, we broke it.
  • MikeyBackwards · 1 year ago
    John, you're over the shark on this one. As I metaphorized in an anti-war speech prior to the invasion: To invade Iraq, then use its oil wealth to either subsize the cost of rebuilding that country - or to expect them to vote our interests in OPEC; would be like breaking into a man's home, forcing him to sign over his wealth to you; rape his wife and kill his children, burn down the house, then using a portion of the proceeds of your crimes to rebuild his home and claim that is justice.

    We invaded that country without cause. We were the direct or indirect cause of millions of deaths, and billions in damage. To expect gratitutde or assistance with our problems is beyond an outrage. We owe them reparations and assistance, not the other way around.

    On this you are flat and unequivocally wrong.
  • ivyfree · 1 year ago
    Good gods. We're spending 100 bn a year in that hellhole? We're spending that money to CREATE that hellhole. It as a functional country until we got there. They have no obligation whatsoever to make us happy. If we'd been invaded and our country occupied, would you want us to make life easier on our invaders? Your position is not well-reasoned.
  • paulbe · 1 year ago
    And you actually still seem to believe the "official" 911 conspiracy theory.
  • joefilter · 1 year ago
    There are a number of problems with this blog post, as point out by other commenters.

    At the least the writer should study up a bit to find out that we destroyed their country illegally and without cause!
  • joefilter · 1 year ago
    Oh yeah, how dare they try to control OUR oil!

    ;)