DISQUS

AMERICAblog: Iraq wants a timetable for withdrawal. John McCain doesn't -- and says that's not what the Iraqis want.

  • Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago
    McShrub is a self-serving stupid fool.
  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
    McStain and Bu$hco. believe if they strong arm their puppet hard enough the Iraqis will do what they want and say what they want them to say...
  • Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago
    I think we should just go ahead and have the election next month, get shrub's sorry out of there within a couple of days after that.
  • Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago
    I don't want to wait anymore. I want him gone gone gone gone gone.
  • dommyluc · 1 year ago
    Hey, who'ya gonna believe - Greatest War Hero Evah and BFF of Bush/Cheney and the MSM, or your fucking lying eyes and ears?
    If this mother-fucker wins the election, then this country truly deserves whatever trouble it gets.
  • jr · 1 year ago
    McCombover= Cotton Hill from King of the Hill
  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
    Anyone see McCain refer to the Iraq/Pakistan border this a.m.? He REALLY did it! He said Iraq and Pakistan share a border on "Good Morning America" this morning. Wow, it becomes more obvious every day why he finished fifth from the bottom of his class in Annapolis! Do we REALLY need another uneducated, ignorant President? McCain is just like George W. Bush.

    Oh, okay - just read below! We have a post on it. Sorry, just got here.
  • Polly_Tics · 1 year ago
    Morning cowboy! Yes, I saw that and no doubt it will be yet one more tidbit from McCain that will be ignored in the press.
  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
    Yes, it so destroys the press narrative he is some kind of policy expert, doesn't it?
  • shanobama · 1 year ago
    Is it going to be another round like the Obama-Clinton race where the media ignores facts in favor of keeping the horse race going?

    This makes me mad. McCain is a bumbling opportunist at best.
  • mirth · 1 year ago
    The mainstream press is our enemy. They'll fight to the end to maintain their status quo. But the administration of crooks - unless they pull another 9/11 - knows it's over.
    Condi Rice, talking about Obama's candidacy, said it was "great for our country," and went on to say about Obama's mixed race heritage, "it's great that this last barrier perhaps, has also come down." She also stated that she wants no place on the McC ticket.

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080720/D921OD...
  • Polly_Tics · 1 year ago
    Johnny will (no doubt) revise his Iraq/Afghanistan meme shortly after he sees that the Iraqi's are not going to be quiet and then he will claim his take was never any different.

    As Johnny McShame said: " I've been there too many times and I know what they (Iraq) wants!"
  • Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago
    The Founding Fathers would be aghast at members of my family and the reason they voted or didn't bother for. But I can't reach them, utterly. So I've cut two more out. So I no longer have a family. I can no longer be around and pretend like it's alright with them. It's too toxic to me. For my own health, no more. It's like, "hey guys and girls, let's all pretend that voting has nothing to do with anything when we vote and it's so unfortunate how the economy is tanking and this all took place in a vacuum. None of ours, pass the gravy." Who needs it? It really hurts when your own family members vote against your equality to even get married and one doesn't even bother to vote against that.
  • mirth · 1 year ago
    gg,
    I have a friend, a psychiatrist, very centered and self-assured and compassionate. A truly beautiful woman, outwardly and inward. She has always been my role model. I asked her once about her family. With a flick of her hand she said, "Oh, they're somewhere back East." She went on to tell me that after years of trying to get along with them, she had decided that the healthiest thing she could do for herself was to sever ties with them and she had done this several years before. The same is true for me and, with one exception, my family. Sometimes this is the only choice.
  • Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago
    It's up to you all but there is no way anymore I will pretend everything is alright with family members who voted for bush twice and especially after they voted for the hate gays marriage amendment in my state.
  • DavidinChelseaMA · 1 year ago
    I'm bisexual, and I don't get invited to family gatherings because apparently my father wouldn't be comfortable with my partner being seated with us during a holiday meal. Mind you, my partner and I have lived together since January of 2000.

    My sisters invite me to holiday stuff only if my parents have gone out of town. Whatever.

    glasses_guy, it sucks that one's biological family many times doesn't ACT like family. I rarely ever have contact with my father (or my homophobia-enabling mom, either) .
  • shanobama · 1 year ago
    Guess the Iraqis had a cent com meeting of their own on this topic, hahah.

    Good for them.
  • Upland_Oddball · 1 year ago
    It was once said of the autocratic Bourbon kings of France that they never forgot a thing nor learned a thing. If a policy or practice proved ineffectual or failed due to opposition in 1690, then that meant that instead of being jettisoned as something that failed for good casue, it would stew as a grudge and regardless of its still pertinent flaws, would be reintroduced in 1720 and again in 1780. The same has been true of Dick Cheney, who responded to the entirely new challenges posed by the world of 2000 by imposing on it the same losing policies he proposed or wanted back in the 1970s. Minds llike those of the Bourbon kngs or like Dick Cheney's refuse to let go of old conceptions and can't face a changed world with new ideas becasue they see the world as static.

    The same is becoming true of John McCain. He can't forget the lost battles, the "what ifs" and the festering grudges of the Vietnam War era, and hasn't learned to see the world today as very different than what he was taught in war college or during the Vietnam years. Which means that he is ripe for full conversion to Neo-Conservatism, which also adheres to a Bourbon-like mindset. McCain has fully bought into the fundamental Neo-Con notion that American-style freedom can be imposed anywhere and on anyone through armed force of American will. Concurrently, the Wilsonian principle of standing up for the inherent right of national sefl determination on the part of the Iraqi people will now be cast aside as a weak and quanit relic became irrelevant after 9/11 changed everything. Iraq will obey.

    Mc Cain is turly McSame.
  • osage · 1 year ago
    BUSH AND MCCAIN ARE SIMPLY LYING AGAIN!

    The following is a direct translation from the Arabic of Mr. Maliki"s comments by The Times: "Obama"s remarks that " if he takes office " in 16 months he would withdraw the forces, we think that this period could increase or decrease a little, but that it could be suitable to end the presence of the forces in Iraq."

    He continued: "Who wants to exit in a quicker way has a better assessment of the situation in Iraq."

    Maliki agreed with Obama's timeframe by actually mentioning that it was "16 months". He even goes further by stating that the "better assessment of the situation in Iraq" is the one "who wants to exit in a quicker way". Obama is the one who "wants to exit in a quicker way". Exiting in a "quicker way" has never been something that John McCain or George W. Bush has advocated. Only Barrack Obama has advocated that!
  • Upland_Oddball · 1 year ago
    It ultimately doesn't matter to Bush, Cheney, McSame or the Repubes what the Iraqi people or government wants. They will give al-Maliki the same brutal teatment they showed to President Aristide of Haiti. Either do and say what we want you to do or say, or we will withdraw your Blackwater contracted bodyguards at an opportune time when your enemies are close and circling and you have no other sources of protection for yourself or your family. We'll see if al-Maliki has prepared for this thuggish threat by creating his own independent space to operate. I hope he has. However, I have no hope that Bush, Cheney or McSame will be wise to any changed circusmstances in Iraq. It's not in their DNA.
  • kevinbgoode · 1 year ago
    So apparently the neo-cons, who were so absolutely certain that Iraqis would greet us throwing flowers and blowing kisses, assumed that Iraq wanted that Republican empire dream of a permanent occupying force and a dozen huge U.S. bases scattered around the oil fields. At least they tried to tell the American people that, who foot the permanent bill for dreams of the neo-con empire.
    Now we find out that Iraq would like us to leave, thank you. . .and don't let the door hit us in the ass. This leaves the American media and their "conservative" masters rushing to produce some sort of spin that explains how the Iraqis don't really know what is best for their country and that they don't really mean what they said. That might fit well with John McCain's candidacy, since the candidate constantly says that he doesn't mean what he said yesterday, but McCain is stuck supporting the neo-con agenda. Republicans have nothing left to run on except their faux sense of golden peepee-possessing manhood, and they are rapidly starting to appear about as manly as Sen. Larry Craig toetapping his way through the nearest bathroom stalls.
  • Upland_Oddball · 1 year ago
    If I recall it correctly, when McCain's inner circle of foreign policy advisors first got wind of al-Maliki's endorsement of Obama's Iraq withdrawl timetable, they responded with a: "We're Fucked!" Al-Maliki has pushed McCain toward an unwanted tipping point zone. Up till then, the Neo-Cons and the Right Wing Noise Machine has been able to wrap the Iraq war and occupation in the language of American democratic idealism. But in respone to al-Maliki's assertion of iraqi self determination, McCain has tipped over to a blatant assertion of a core principle of old fashioned imperialism: "We, the conquerors call the shots!" The United States is morphing into the 21st century version of the czarist Russian Empire: the jailhouse of nations.

    Of course, we can't expect to read any acknowledgement of this sea-change in the public defense of our Iraq occupation in the pages of the so called "Liberal" media. Instead, I expect a vigorous denial of any change in the New Republic and the Washington Post,, and utter indifference by the networks and CNN. In the MSM, it still rains hearts and kisses toward McCain.
  • ezpz · 1 year ago
    Both the Iraqi people and the Iraqi 'govt' have wanted US troops out since at least '04:

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-04...

    http://forums.techguy.org/civilized-debate/5051...

    http://www.iraqupdates.com/p_articles.php/artic...

    http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/200...

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-02...

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...

    http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/51624/

    That's just a few out of MILLIONS of entries in a google search. They go back to at least 2004, probably sooner.

    The msm, being cheerleaders for the war profiteers, have simply ignored this.

    It's beyond shameful. It's criminal.

    I
  • Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago
    Clearly more than a few french fries short of a happy meal.
  • blackwolf · 1 year ago
    This is why we're in the mess we're in. McCain and the rethuglican machine just don't get it. McCain doesn't have an agenda to grow the economy. He's lost, and it's pitiful.