We need to raise a big fuss over this. If undecided Americans see how he is hiding health info and putting us in peril of having President Palin, they will definitely think twice.
And why the hell is that schmuck David Gregory having TOM DELAY on his MSNBC show now to discuss the financial crisis? TOM FUCKING DELAY!!!!!!
grandma
· 1 year ago
DeLay must be making the rounds...he was on Hardball last nite.
Rab
· 1 year ago
Doesn't he have a court date soon?
shrrrr
· 1 year ago
DeLay on teevee and people are listening?
Does'nt anyone remember anything??
ShirleyGoodnessanMercy
· 1 year ago
This is the Land of No Recollection. They have already forgotten who George Bush was and he isn't even out of office yet.
shrrrr
· 1 year ago
We're doomed.
shell
· 1 year ago
I have come to the conclusion that the average American has a memory of about a week.
Look at the polls. Each week, they sway a LOT. A convention? The candidates swap their numbers! Some major (or minor) event? Complete change!
Today -- Oct. 1 -- it still goes on. WHAT IS WRONG WITH AMERICA? (This question either says the polls are wrong, or Americans are the dumbest people one earth.)
donotmakemecomedownthere
· 1 year ago
Not to mention Newt Gingrich all over the place. NEWT FUCKING GINGRICH!!
Peoples is dum.
MNUSA
· 1 year ago
I agree. Hot Tub Tom (shudder) is partly at fault for the mess we're in. He's also partly responsible for the extreme partisan nature of Congress. Aren't there real experts (like one of the 200 economists who wrote Pelosi and Reid) they can interview? Someone who has the best interest of the country at heart and not just the Repub's friends and financers.
TXfemmom
· 1 year ago
I have to agree. Good Old NEWT and Phil Gramm are two of the largest culprits on this, and then MSNBC gives them legitimate play. The only thing that should be shown on TV with them is them being tarred and feathered.
AdrianBrowne
· 1 year ago
"[J]ust as George W. Bush made us nostalgic for the wit and wisdom of Ronald Reagan, so too, in her time, would President Palin make us long for the sagacity and statecraft of George W. Bush."
~Michael Bérubé
vkobaya
· 1 year ago
I don't think Republicans are any more eager than Democrats to have McCain die in office and end up with Sarah Palin as our President. If McCain really is concealing his medical records, I suspect they would put very serious pressure on him to replace Palin with a better choice or to resign himself and give another Republican with a better survival chance the nomination for the office. Even at this late stage of the game, the prospect of Palin becoming the President has to be nearly as massively daunting to Republicans as it is to the rest of the human race and life on earth. And I also think that Democrats have made enough of an issue of McCain's health that if there are even a few functional brain cells left in the Republican party, they will take heed and act. Then again, let's hope those Republican brain cells actually exist and aren't just my pipe dream. Hope! Hope! Hope!
Webster
· 1 year ago
You're making a massive assumption here: that Republicans are rational and subscribe to logic.
usagi
· 1 year ago
Orac, a pseudonym for an MD cancer researcher, over at ScienceBlogs has written extensively about McCain's melanoma. The latest post is today, and the series is well worth reading through. You probably won't like his conclusions (bottom line: the cancer is not serious, especially this long after the last occurrence, and the facial stuff may or may not be a sign of something serious, but there are plenty of benign causes that are more likely).
TXfemmom
· 1 year ago
Well, I have to wonder if the guy is really from M. D. Anderson. I am a melanoma survivor and I get my follow-ups there from one of their top people.
As a medical person, an Advanced Nurse Practitioner, they will often say things to me that they would never, ever say to another patient, because they are afraid of being misinterpretted or misquoted. I asked point blank abou the melanoma, and you see there are subsets within the Clarke's level Stage II. I had a Clarke's level Stage II of the slimmest cut, as part of the tumor didn't even make it into Clark'es level II and it was on my butt, which is a fatty area for most women with little lymphatic flow. In orther words, not as dangerous.
McCain had his on his face!!!!!!!!! BAD!!!!!!!!!!!! Lymphatics are everywhere there and they stripped his. They went to the sentinel node and kept going all the way down his face, around his hairline, and down his neck. Believe me folks, from what I was told and what I have found in the studies, and I am in quite a few of those studies at M. D. Anderson, as they have tracked me and I get copies of the study results periodically, and I would want to have a large, melanoma on the face and head like I would like to jump in a tub of acid. Being on the head is much, much more serious than being on your behind. Besides, he has had four melanomas. Every time one has another primary melanoma after the first, then one's likelihood of having it metastasize is far greater.
They can brush this off and say this and that, but the data I had on my good old butt busting melanoma of less depth and size than Senator McCain's, I had a sixty percent of a five year survival, but the location on the face was much, much less.
Additionally, they see him every three months on this, and I only need to go back every six months. That is an indication of how serious they think it is.
Speaking as a layperson in the highest possible risk group for melanoma (for someone who hasn't popped up with any yet), and with a lot of experience of reading medical records, THIS IS BAD. Undoubtedly some oncologist or two or four will show up to elaborate, but this is NOT GOOD for McCain's prognosis.
If McCain's health records were good, the GOP would be waving them under our noses. A 2.5 cm cancerous lesion--just one--is bad enough.
The drooping, twitching left eyelid could be any of a number of sequelae to medical disorders that also don't have happy prognoses.
hotdamn
· 1 year ago
John, This might help, courtesy of DKos
This has gone around the science blogs already, but as a practicing neurologist I thought I should weigh in. Moving Meet seems to have started the rumor, and Neurotopia has also added to the speculation. Some people have just noticed that presidential candidate John McCain has left ptosis - which is a slight drooping of his left eyelid. From this they speculate that he may have had a stroke, or worse a brain tumor.
[snip]
I see patients with ptosis all the time. It is ususally benign. The first thing I do is ask if it is old, and if possible look at old pictures to see. If the ptosis has been present for a long time we don’t worry about it. If it is new, then we rely upon other exam findings to determine the location of the problem and the cause.
Some have speculated that McCain also has subtle left facial droop. I don’t think he has, and Orac pointed out that his prior surgery can explain the subtle asymmetry. This is a good example of the perils of speculating based upon some information, but lacking expertise. A stroke causing facial weakness would not cause lid ptosis. It may cause drooping of the lower eyelid - but not the upper eyelid. There are two locations where a stroke can cause lid ptosis - the brainstem and the sympathetics along the carotid artery. In the case of a third cranial nerve involvement causing ptosis, there would also be problems with eye movements and pupil size. If the ptosis were due to a lesion in the carotic artery (which in turn caused a stroke), where the sympathetic fibers to the eyelid travel, then that could occur with a stroke on the same side - but then the weakness would be on the opposite side, which he does not have. The same would apply to a tumor or any cause.
This has gone around the science blogs already, but as a practicing neurologist I thought I should weigh in. Moving Meet seems to have started the rumor, and Neurotopia has also added to the speculation. Some people have just noticed that presidential candidate John McCain has left ptosis - which is a slight drooping of his left eyelid. From this they speculate that he may have had a stroke, or worse a brain tumor.
[snip]
I see patients with ptosis all the time. It is ususally benign. The first thing I do is ask if it is old, and if possible look at old pictures to see. If the ptosis has been present for a long time we don’t worry about it. If it is new, then we rely upon other exam findings to determine the location of the problem and the cause.
Some have speculated that McCain also has subtle left facial droop. I don’t think he has, and Orac pointed out that his prior surgery can explain the subtle asymmetry. This is a good example of the perils of speculating based upon some information, but lacking expertise. A stroke causing facial weakness would not cause lid ptosis. It may cause drooping of the lower eyelid - but not the upper eyelid. There are two locations where a stroke can cause lid ptosis - the brainstem and the sympathetics along the carotid artery. In the case of a third cranial nerve involvement causing ptosis, there would also be problems with eye movements and pupil size. If the ptosis were due to a lesion in the carotic artery (which in turn caused a stroke), where the sympathetic fibers to the eyelid travel, then that could occur with a stroke on the same side - but then the weakness would be on the opposite side, which he does not have. The same would apply to a tumor or any cause.
My great grandfather's portrait shows him with a drooping eye. It seems to be a dominant trait because so many of his grandchildren have it. In fact, when our son was born, the first thing my husband noticed is that he had that droopy eye. It gets worse when we're tired. Hopefully McCain's family insists that he get regular checkups. I would think that anyone who has had melanoma, that would be fairly frequent.
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
No one has commented on his droopy eyelid. We're talking about his asynchronous blinking and the way the side of his mouth unnaturally rises at the same time, and on the same side, as the asynchronous blink. We're also commenting on how this happened seconds before he became confused. I don't think anyone has talked about his eye being droopy.
hotdamn
· 1 year ago
Until now, anyway.
existenz
· 1 year ago
Hey John - In real life I work as a speed-reader for a major motion picture company. Every week I have to read 4-5 novels, often 400 pages each. Reading a book quickly is much easier than reading medical documents, because you get to know the characters and the basic plot formula in the first 50 pages, allowing you to predict the twists in the narrative. Most books are very predictable and easy to follow. Medical documents are complex, random, with crucial information sometimes scribbled in handwriting.
The fastest I can read a typical paperback novel is 100 pages per hour, and this is after seven years of doing this. If I get a double-spaced manuscript I can read 200 pages per hour. So at my fastest possible speed, and this includes a lot of skimming, I can read about one page every 18 seconds.
The McCain campaign gave these reporters only 10 seconds per page. This is outrageous. It would be impossible for me to read a cliche-filled romance novel that fast. And yet these reporters were expected to cover over 1000 pages of dense and disorderly medical documents in three hours. That's scary. Clearly John McCain has not been open about his medical issues, which have become even more important now that Sarah Palin is his successor.
donotmakemecomedownthere
· 1 year ago
I'm no doctor, but I did get drunk at a med school kegger once, so I can confidently say that McCain is experiencing early signs of rigor mortis, and that his staff has yet to advise him of his death.
Styve
· 1 year ago
Has anyone gotten through to his office to ask what the hell happened this morning during his twitch-fest? I tried a couple of times, probably after 5p est, but just got busy signals, or no pickup.
Jersey
· 1 year ago
We're a country of goldfish.
WHYN0T
· 1 year ago
"Somebody Get Me a Doctor"
(Words by Van Halen)
(One, two, three, four) Ooh yeah! Ow-ow! You better call me a doctor, baby, no pain Overloaded, down the drain
Somebody get me a doctor
You better call up the ambulance I'm, deep in shock Overloaded baby, I can hardly walk
Somebody get me a doctor (Ooh!) Somebody get me a doctor
Yeah! I'm feelin' over fine And I'm speedin', down that line
Ya better call up a doctor, feelin high I'm overloaded baby, I say "Bye-bye!"
Somebody get me a doctor. Oh, yeah! Somebody get me a doctor. Ooh, ooh! Somebody get me a doctor. Ah, yeah! Ooh!
Somebody give me a shot!
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Until and unless someone comes forth with the actual diagnosis, treatment and on going treatment there is nothing to go on concerning McCain's health. Anyone commenting is going on speculation.
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
Of course. But that's kind of the point. They won't tell the truth, they won't give the facts, so we have no choice but to have a public discussion from experts telling us what is most likely going on. And if that discussion is embarrassing enough to the McCain campaign, perhaps they will finally feel compelled to tell the public the truth.
mauro7inf
· 1 year ago
Pardon me for saying so, but this really reminds me of the right's kerning fiasco. I agree that a sitting senator's health is a big deal -- and I personally think that Sen. Kennedy should step down and allow someone healthier to take his place, maybe Rep. Frank, who kicks ass -- and I definitely think that a presidential candidate's health is a big deal, but aren't we getting a little too paranoid? I'm no doctor, but his speech didn't change at all -- he didn't even pause -- and there's nothing wrong with not knowing which side of the stage to exit from when you're on a different stage every day. I've definitely been confused on stages before. I feel like we're making a huge deal out of nothing, like the kerning story, and we'll only be laughed at later for it.
That said, McCain should be tested for a minor stroke, but I really do think we're making a big issue out of something small.
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And why the hell is that schmuck David Gregory having TOM DELAY on his MSNBC show now to discuss the financial crisis? TOM FUCKING DELAY!!!!!!
Does'nt anyone remember anything??
Look at the polls. Each week, they sway a LOT. A convention? The candidates swap their numbers! Some major (or minor) event? Complete change!
Today -- Oct. 1 -- it still goes on. WHAT IS WRONG WITH AMERICA? (This question either says the polls are wrong, or Americans are the dumbest people one earth.)
Peoples is dum.
~Michael Bérubé
As a medical person, an Advanced Nurse Practitioner, they will often say things to me that they would never, ever say to another patient, because they are afraid of being misinterpretted or misquoted. I asked point blank abou the melanoma, and you see there are subsets within the Clarke's level Stage II. I had a Clarke's level Stage II of the slimmest cut, as part of the tumor didn't even make it into Clark'es level II and it was on my butt, which is a fatty area for most women with little lymphatic flow. In orther words, not as dangerous.
McCain had his on his face!!!!!!!!! BAD!!!!!!!!!!!! Lymphatics are everywhere there and they stripped his. They went to the sentinel node and kept going all the way down his face, around his hairline, and down his neck. Believe me folks, from what I was told and what I have found in the studies, and I am in quite a few of those studies at M. D. Anderson, as they have tracked me and I get copies of the study results periodically, and I would want to have a large, melanoma on the face and head like I would like to jump in a tub of acid. Being on the head is much, much more serious than being on your behind. Besides, he has had four melanomas. Every time one has another primary melanoma after the first, then one's likelihood of having it metastasize is far greater.
They can brush this off and say this and that, but the data I had on my good old butt busting melanoma of less depth and size than Senator McCain's, I had a sixty percent of a five year survival, but the location on the face was much, much less.
Additionally, they see him every three months on this, and I only need to go back every six months. That is an indication of how serious they think it is.
John McCain's health records must be released
If McCain's health records were good, the GOP would be waving them under our noses. A 2.5 cm cancerous lesion--just one--is bad enough.
The drooping, twitching left eyelid could be any of a number of sequelae to medical disorders that also don't have happy prognoses.
This might help, courtesy of DKos
This has gone around the science blogs already, but as a practicing neurologist I thought I should weigh in. Moving Meet seems to have started the rumor, and Neurotopia has also added to the speculation. Some people have just noticed that presidential candidate John McCain has left ptosis - which is a slight drooping of his left eyelid. From this they speculate that he may have had a stroke, or worse a brain tumor.
[snip]
I see patients with ptosis all the time. It is ususally benign. The first thing I do is ask if it is old, and if possible look at old pictures to see. If the ptosis has been present for a long time we don’t worry about it. If it is new, then we rely upon other exam findings to determine the location of the problem and the cause.
Some have speculated that McCain also has subtle left facial droop. I don’t think he has, and Orac pointed out that his prior surgery can explain the subtle asymmetry. This is a good example of the perils of speculating based upon some information, but lacking expertise. A stroke causing facial weakness would not cause lid ptosis. It may cause drooping of the lower eyelid - but not the upper eyelid. There are two locations where a stroke can cause lid ptosis - the brainstem and the sympathetics along the carotid artery. In the case of a third cranial nerve involvement causing ptosis, there would also be problems with eye movements and pupil size. If the ptosis were due to a lesion in the carotic artery (which in turn caused a stroke), where the sympathetic fibers to the eyelid travel, then that could occur with a stroke on the same side - but then the weakness would be on the opposite side, which he does not have. The same would apply to a tumor or any cause.
http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=386
This has gone around the science blogs already, but as a practicing neurologist I thought I should weigh in. Moving Meet seems to have started the rumor, and Neurotopia has also added to the speculation. Some people have just noticed that presidential candidate John McCain has left ptosis - which is a slight drooping of his left eyelid. From this they speculate that he may have had a stroke, or worse a brain tumor.
[snip]
I see patients with ptosis all the time. It is ususally benign. The first thing I do is ask if it is old, and if possible look at old pictures to see. If the ptosis has been present for a long time we don’t worry about it. If it is new, then we rely upon other exam findings to determine the location of the problem and the cause.
Some have speculated that McCain also has subtle left facial droop. I don’t think he has, and Orac pointed out that his prior surgery can explain the subtle asymmetry. This is a good example of the perils of speculating based upon some information, but lacking expertise. A stroke causing facial weakness would not cause lid ptosis. It may cause drooping of the lower eyelid - but not the upper eyelid. There are two locations where a stroke can cause lid ptosis - the brainstem and the sympathetics along the carotid artery. In the case of a third cranial nerve involvement causing ptosis, there would also be problems with eye movements and pupil size. If the ptosis were due to a lesion in the carotic artery (which in turn caused a stroke), where the sympathetic fibers to the eyelid travel, then that could occur with a stroke on the same side - but then the weakness would be on the opposite side, which he does not have. The same would apply to a tumor or any cause.
http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=386
The fastest I can read a typical paperback novel is 100 pages per hour, and this is after seven years of doing this. If I get a double-spaced manuscript I can read 200 pages per hour. So at my fastest possible speed, and this includes a lot of skimming, I can read about one page every 18 seconds.
The McCain campaign gave these reporters only 10 seconds per page. This is outrageous. It would be impossible for me to read a cliche-filled romance novel that fast. And yet these reporters were expected to cover over 1000 pages of dense and disorderly medical documents in three hours. That's scary. Clearly John McCain has not been open about his medical issues, which have become even more important now that Sarah Palin is his successor.
(Words by Van Halen)
(One, two, three, four)
Ooh yeah! Ow-ow!
You better call me a doctor, baby, no pain
Overloaded, down the drain
Somebody get me a doctor
You better call up the ambulance I'm, deep in shock
Overloaded baby, I can hardly walk
Somebody get me a doctor (Ooh!)
Somebody get me a doctor
Yeah! I'm feelin' over fine
And I'm speedin', down that line
Woo, woo!
(Guitar Solo)
Ow! Ow! Ow!
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah!
Woo!
Oh, woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo!
Ow!
Ooo!
Ya better call up a doctor, feelin high
I'm overloaded baby, I say "Bye-bye!"
Somebody get me a doctor. Oh, yeah!
Somebody get me a doctor. Ooh, ooh!
Somebody get me a doctor. Ah, yeah!
Ooh!
Somebody give me a shot!
That said, McCain should be tested for a minor stroke, but I really do think we're making a big issue out of something small.