Oddly, HRC and McStain supporters have been effective, here, subtracting points from this idiotic Disqus 'clout" system....As we get closer to November look for wet willies, spitballs and super-low Rethug turn-out to fuel more on-line papercuts by the newly powerless.
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
i just gave you a point for that.
PeteWa
· 1 year ago
and another.
MorgaineSwann
· 1 year ago
I hate to be part of a a pile on of "elite male bloggers" but she's out of control. I was extremely offended by her attempt to conflate her nonsensical position with the theft of the 2000 election, let alone civil rights milestones. She's either delusional or a stone sociopath to be able to spout that crap. She's not someone I want in charge of our nuclear arsenal.
Obama, on the other hand, has been cool and gracious throughout the process, and has shown incredible patience in the face of this lunacy. I hope he gets to be president. Winning the nomination won't be enough. Even if he survives the Clinton team, he'll still have to face the racist underbelly of our government and the Republican-owned and operated voting machines. We really need a rational person in that office.
Maybe you mentioned it and I missed it, but the day of the keynote address at the Dem convention this year falls on the 45th anniversary of MLK's "I have a dream" speech. What an amazing thing it would be for Barack to accept the nomination on that particular day. It could create a massive wave of civil rights activism. I hope we get to see that.
dommyluc
· 1 year ago
They did nothing in 2000 to help Al Gore. They did not protest when shady election procedures were used against Kerry in Ohio in 2004. They were against seating MI and FL at the beginning of their nomination quest but changed their minds when Hillary started losing her ass. They loved African-Americans until they voted for someone else. Such disloyalty! They trashed lower-class whites, until the scary nigras got uppity. Go Nascar! They adored us gay cocksuckers and carpet-lickers until we became political embarrassments, and then they threw us under the bus with DADT and DOMA. They tried to pass themselves off as progressives, until the NetRoots embraced Obama, so now we’re a bunch of anti-American Islamofascist commies. Hillary Clinton and her crew ran a God-awful campaign. They were unbeatable, and they blew it. She would most certainly run this country the same as her campaign: in huge amounts of debt, no standards whatsoever, turning on her supporters for political expediency, and kissing the asses of RW Rethugs, just like her hubby did while he was in office. Hey, Hillary - the US Presidency is not a dynastic throne. You are not entitled to that honor just because your husband served, just as that asshole GWB wasn’t entitled because his dickhead father served. If we lose this election because of your actions, I will personally make it my goal in life to get close enough to you so I can spit in your face, preferably after chomping on a big hunka chewin’ tobaccy like those redneck mother-fuckers you so recently claimed as your base. Fuck you, Hillary. Go Obama!
FunMe
· 1 year ago
"ok. arianna nails it. stop yelling at hillary and start yelling at the f*cking super delegates to end this thing...names and contact info provided...."
To be a Democrat has, for me, always meant to be fair and to recognize the majority vote. In my 62 years I have voted for many Dems who didn't get elected, but were defeated by other voters according to the rules. The crushing of the rules in the election of George W. Bush was a devastating blow to all Democrats, yet I expected all of us to go on following the rules, knowing that being true to our principals will eventually win out.
Now we are confronted with Hillary Clinton and an attempt to break the rules that everyone else was following through the primaries. What is the difference between her actions now and the Bush campaign in Florida in 2000? Not much.
The Superdelegates see what is happening... they must. We have to urge those who haven't stated their endorsement to back our candidate, Barack Obama, now. And those who have endorsed Clinton should, at this point, be encouraged to switch. There is no other way.
People are not against her because she's a woman; people are against her because of the type of woman she is. As often as I have said this, I am heartened to find women in this thread expressing the same sentiments. Hillary has just not run a very good campaign witha great number of contributing factors: Poor advice and overpriced advisors. Way too much baggage much of it in the person of Bill with his big mouth and fat wagging finger; Even now he blathers on claiming she should be VP. That unfortunate belief that she was owed the nomination or that it was somehow her turn coupled with the belief that Americans want a couple. Her various outrageous tactics confirming she is both a racist and a liar. Attacks on a fellow candidate and support for the opposition candidate. On and on and on. As deb66, describing herself as a former supporter put it: HILLARY GO HOME!!!
Vote for and elect OBAMA POTUS!!!!! Yes we can!
BoiseNick
· 1 year ago
Senator Hillary Clinton would be the WINNER ,
IF , , ,
we counted ALL the votes from Mars & Venus !
naschkatzehussein
· 1 year ago
I am reading that she is doing this because Obama will not take her on as his vice presidential choice. I think the number of die-hards who will go with her no matter is shrinking from the comments I read on the threads by past Clinton supporters who have finally had it with her so let's not be blackmailed into obeying her will. Also, Obama is really pulling ahead of McCain in CA and he is ahead of McCain by 5 points in Virginia.
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
rachel maddow remains the (brilliant and hot!) voice of reason -
Hillary is being spiteful and vindictive. Contemptible behavior in a so-called leader.
dad
· 1 year ago
loser
grandma
· 1 year ago
MSNBC saying Bill Clinton pushing hard to make her VP choice ...
God, I hope Obama doesn't pick her.
PeteWa
· 1 year ago
What a wench.
grandma
· 1 year ago
What will Clinton's terms of surrender turn out to be? Her husband, for one, seems to have a pretty clear idea what he thinks she should get as a consolation prize. In Bill Clinton's view, she has earned nothing short of an offer to be Obama's running mate, according to some who are close to the former President. Bill "is pushing real hard for this to happen," says a friend.
This makes sense. Use her furious supporters who believe this canard that sexism robbed their queen as blackmail to get on the ticket. I hope Barack tells them to go to hell. If they would really prefer McCain and war with Iran, screw em.
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
once upon a time, i thought vp Hillary would be a good idea. not any more.
i say put her on the supreme court and let her make the lives of scalia, thomas, roberts and alito a living hell.
grandma
· 1 year ago
OT Obama to step in for Kennedy as commencement speaker: The Obama campaign just announced that he will be giving the commencement address at Wesleyan University in Connecticut this Sunday; Senator Ted Kennedy was originally scheduled to speak before his seizure and subsequent brain tumor diagnosis.
“No matter how this primary ends, Senator Clinton has shattered myths and broken barriers and changed the America in which my daughters and your daughters will come of age, and for that we are grateful to her.”
That's your next Pres!
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
Obama is a wise man. Just what the nation desperately needs.
proseandcon
· 1 year ago
In office, the Clintons were victims of the vast right wing. In this campaign, the victims of a sexist media and biased DNC. The symptoms change but the disease remains the same.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
Playing the victim is a great excuse for losing.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
"Patently ridiculous and bald faced lies."
Yep!
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
J. Armstrong:
"Makes sense to me."
(Sorry, couldn't resist.)
scooter in brooklyn
· 1 year ago
she's uniting the party.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
Heh heh heh...
naschkatzehussein
· 1 year ago
against herself.
grandma
· 1 year ago
New York Governor sees "desperation" in the Clinton campaign
David Paterson -- a Clinton superdelegate -- doesn't think the DNC should change on Michigan and Florida (even though he disagreed with the original decision to strip), and isn't especially bullish on his candidate, Liz Benjamin reports:
"I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support and I'll support until whatever time she makes a different determination," Paterson said, adding: "I thought she was the best candidate and I thought she had the best chance of winning."
Basically three quarters of the population hates her.
naschkatzehussein
· 1 year ago
Yes, I would like to see her negativity numbers right now. I'll bet that they are over 50%. Actually, now that you mention it, I wish some pollster would come out with some new figures. It might help to silence her argument on how she is so much more "electable" than Obama.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
All the remaining Superdelegates know about her negatives.
Believe me, if they were supporting Hillary, they would have gotten on board when she was 20 points ahead all over the country.
They're just hoping they don't have to stand up to her.
Rab
· 1 year ago
The end of Hillary is not a pretty sight, no matter what happens in November she will never see another campaign run in the Democratic party. She is an idiot, a mediocre politician who couldn't recognize her weaknesses and misunderstood the mood of the country. Give any other Dem nominee the kind of money and recognition she had and they would have won it.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
I thought she was a lot smarter than what I'm seeing.
In addition to the poor campaign management, her economic and foreign policy positions leave a hell of a lot to be desired.
They're almost Bushian.
WTF?
Andyz
· 1 year ago
I think this puts everything in the proper context:
Having gone and read your 5/21-7:49 PM post, frig it, everyone hates her!
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
It's the Battle of the Buldge all over again.
A paroxysmal death spasm.
nsr
· 1 year ago
She's the fix this year. In 2000, it was "Al Gore, liar", in 04 "John Kerry, coward", and now it's "Hillary Clinton, cheated frontrunner." Apparently, the Beltway's ground game is so bad all they can do is send their DLC stooges into the breech. Not that it's going to work. If anyone can verbal judo on these clowns, it's Obama. And with that whole rotten wing of the party about to drop off, it won't be much of a civil war. The Infotainment Industry might stop babbling about celebrities long enough to throw a few shots, but if the rest of us just vote (and make sure it's counted), we should be ok.
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 1 year ago
Only overwhelmingly MALE and ELITIST bloggers hate her; she has 17 million (and even more, still uncounted) people, real hard-working white Americans who adore her! Who worship the ground she walks on! Who see her as the symbol of all the times they've been kicked around and told to know their place! Who probably don't even have blogs, or even computers!
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
My wife hates her and she's a hard working white American.
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
I'm a white woman who's had my share of sexist bulls*t to overcome, but I would never use my gender to play the victim card. Hillary ran a poor campaign and she fell too far behind in delegates to turn this around. It has nothing to do with her gender. It never did. And to tell women to ignore the rules she agreed to from the beginning, ignore her mismanagement of campaign funds, ignore her sleazy campaign strategists injecting the race card and propping up the Republican nominee, to ignore her blatant disregard for the tens of millions who have voted for Obama, claiming they don't count and ignore her deliberate character assassination on a fellow Dem and instead cling to the notion that Ms Hillary was a victim of sexism is pure bullshit and frankly you should be smart enough to know that. I'm a hard working woman and the woman I used to support is nothing short of a female Karl Rove. She has done more damage to the feminist movement with this little stunt than anything we could have ever feared. Get over yourself. This isn't about you or me or Hillary. It's about defeating John McCain. Hillary's ego and your chip on your shoulder will have to wait.
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 1 year ago
Karen LOVES to use free indirect discourse to satirize the Hillary diehards and the way they think (the last sentence was the "punch line").
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
i so admire Obama's approach to the Hillary issues.
total class act.
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
ok. arianna nails it. stop yelling at hillary and start yelling at the f*cking super delegates to end this thing...names and contact info provided....
arianna has a point but Hillary deserves all the scorn that comes her way. Her refusal to admonish her racist supporters in KY and W. VA was shameless and shameful at the same time. She's without conscience and her behavior cannot be allowed to go un-condemned. Fuck her.
ChicagoKid
· 1 year ago
Now SHRILLARY is going to play the Jewish card to all the older Jewish people in Florida.
TO think I actually supported her--that was until Bill played the race card and compared his win in SC with Jessie Jackson and he made that "fairytale" comment.
SHRILLARY's goal is to help McInsane win, then she can run in 2012. Honey, if you keep destroying the dem party--your chances of being the dem nom in 2012 is less than 0.
jr
· 1 year ago
Hillary's the Hélène Jegado of our party
DCinDC
· 1 year ago
To say that Obama gets 0 Michigan delegates?
FunMe
· 1 year ago
Meanwhile, is there any one blog that actually likes Hillary?
I don't mean "love" ... I mean the minimum, "like".
lynchie
· 1 year ago
The Hillary Show is now a soap opera. Enough already
mdb
· 1 year ago
As somebody that started as a strong HRC supporter, it pains me to see how things have played out. I hadn't moved over to BHO because of sexism or racism, but because of Hilary and her surrogate's negativity and Barack and his surogate's positive message. Nothing to do with Man Vs. Woman but the past Vs. the future.
Now, we're watching HRC decide that instead of getting behind the best candidate to move the COUNTRY (Vs. the Party or Vs. HRC) forward, she's decided that since the big bad media and all of the sexist men (like myself, who was an early supporter) want to take it away from 'her'.
When can we have the discussion that HRC has lost because of:
-- her message -- her "coronation" -- Mark Penn and PSD / and HRC LISTENING to them! --- Ugh, Bill
And Obama has taken us forward due to:
-- Positive message -- Post-partisian messages -- Old = bad , new= better (hopefully) -- Telling the truth is better than BS policies like dropping gas taxes! -- Treating the electorate like a discussion partner rather than an idiot that can be BS'd into taking your side!
Come on, it's so obvious that whatever the negatives of Barack, can we not all agree that it would be better to lose with a candidate that brings the best of the partty Vs. the candidate that brings the old-boys/girls club that will win by saying anything. Can't we have a candidate to be proud of, even if they don't win?
If Barack looses, I will not lose a minute of sleep because as per any democracy, we get the government we deserve and not the one that is the best. I'll sleep well always knowing I at least had the courage to support the best rather than the "easiest" of the two.
God Bless America, and may the Good Lord Inform our Decisions In The Ballot Box.
Guest
· 1 year ago
Now remember this is coming from someone in her supposed voter base.
I am older, uneducated(9th grade), hard working (warehouse shipping dept, manual labor, steel toed shoes etc...), female.
I used to look up to her, she was a strong woman, stood behind her husband after he screwed around, even when they left the white house and pardoned criminals and stole, I found her excuses believable.
After this campaign and the things she has said and done, The way she has treated the AMERICAN people, and the repeated lies she has told and refused to accept responsibility for her past actions. My opinion of her now is that she is a lying, scheming, manipulative, spoiled brat. She is not "entitled" to anything and never was, this country doesn't work that way. And if she thinks 4 years is going to make people forget what she did and vote her into office in 2012 she has major issues. So from a former Clinton supporter HILLARY GO HOME!!!!!!!
Delia
· 1 year ago
I'm just sick to death of being told that as a woman it's somehow my duty to support her. I figure it's my duty to support the candidate of honesty, fair play, and consistency.
neukreid
· 1 year ago
watch out when she runs as a Lieberman Independent.
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Obama, on the other hand, has been cool and gracious throughout the process, and has shown incredible patience in the face of this lunacy. I hope he gets to be president. Winning the nomination won't be enough. Even if he survives the Clinton team, he'll still have to face the racist underbelly of our government and the Republican-owned and operated voting machines. We really need a rational person in that office.
Maybe you mentioned it and I missed it, but the day of the keynote address at the Dem convention this year falls on the 45th anniversary of MLK's "I have a dream" speech. What an amazing thing it would be for Barack to accept the nomination on that particular day. It could create a massive wave of civil rights activism. I hope we get to see that.
They did not protest when shady election procedures were used against Kerry in Ohio in 2004.
They were against seating MI and FL at the beginning of their nomination quest but changed their minds when Hillary started losing her ass.
They loved African-Americans until they voted for someone else. Such disloyalty!
They trashed lower-class whites, until the scary nigras got uppity. Go Nascar!
They adored us gay cocksuckers and carpet-lickers until we became political embarrassments, and then they threw us under the bus with DADT and DOMA.
They tried to pass themselves off as progressives, until the NetRoots embraced Obama, so now we’re a bunch of anti-American Islamofascist commies.
Hillary Clinton and her crew ran a God-awful campaign. They were unbeatable, and they blew it. She would most certainly run this country the same as her campaign: in huge amounts of debt, no standards whatsoever, turning on her supporters for political expediency, and kissing the asses of RW Rethugs, just like her hubby did while he was in office.
Hey, Hillary - the US Presidency is not a dynastic throne. You are not entitled to that honor just because your husband served, just as that asshole GWB wasn’t entitled because his dickhead father served. If we lose this election because of your actions, I will personally make it my goal in life to get close enough to you so I can spit in your face, preferably after chomping on a big hunka chewin’ tobaccy like those redneck mother-fuckers you so recently claimed as your base.
Fuck you, Hillary. Go Obama!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffingto...
GREAT!
I've been waiting for an ACTION PLAN
:-)
Now we are confronted with Hillary Clinton and an attempt to break the rules that everyone else was following through the primaries. What is the difference between her actions now and the Bush campaign in Florida in 2000? Not much.
The Superdelegates see what is happening... they must. We have to urge those who haven't stated their endorsement to back our candidate, Barack Obama, now. And those who have endorsed Clinton should, at this point, be encouraged to switch. There is no other way.
Under The LobsterScope
As often as I have said this, I am heartened to find women in this thread expressing the same sentiments.
Hillary has just not run a very good campaign witha great number of contributing factors:
Poor advice and overpriced advisors.
Way too much baggage much of it in the person of Bill with his big mouth and fat wagging finger; Even now he blathers on claiming she should be VP.
That unfortunate belief that she was owed the nomination or that it was somehow her turn coupled with the belief that Americans want a couple.
Her various outrageous tactics confirming she is both a racist and a liar.
Attacks on a fellow candidate and support for the opposition candidate.
On and on and on.
As deb66, describing herself as a former supporter put it: HILLARY GO HOME!!!
Vote for and elect OBAMA POTUS!!!!! Yes we can!
IF , , ,
we counted ALL the votes from Mars & Venus !
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rachel-maddow/cli...
God, I hope Obama doesn't pick her.
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,859...
NOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!
not any more.
i say put her on the supreme court and let her make the lives of scalia, thomas, roberts and alito a living hell.
Obama to step in for Kennedy as commencement speaker:
The Obama campaign just announced that he will be giving the commencement address at Wesleyan University in Connecticut this Sunday; Senator Ted Kennedy was originally scheduled to speak before his seizure and subsequent brain tumor diagnosis.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Oba...
“No matter how this primary ends, Senator Clinton has shattered myths and broken barriers and changed the America in which my daughters and your daughters will come of age, and for that we are grateful to her.”
That's your next Pres!
Yep!
"Makes sense to me."
(Sorry, couldn't resist.)
David Paterson -- a Clinton superdelegate -- doesn't think the DNC should change on Michigan and Florida (even though he disagreed with the original decision to strip), and isn't especially bullish on his candidate, Liz Benjamin reports:
"I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support and I'll support until whatever time she makes a different determination," Paterson said, adding: "I thought she was the best candidate and I thought she had the best chance of winning."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/New...
Believe me, if they were supporting Hillary, they would have gotten on board when she was 20 points ahead all over the country.
They're just hoping they don't have to stand up to her.
In addition to the poor campaign management, her economic and foreign policy positions leave a hell of a lot to be desired.
They're almost Bushian.
WTF?
http://www.mediacurves.com/BlogStu.cfm
http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/countrywi...
This asshole deserves jail...
A paroxysmal death spasm.
total class act.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffingto...
TO think I actually supported her--that was until Bill played the race card and compared his win in SC with Jessie Jackson and he made that "fairytale" comment.
SHRILLARY's goal is to help McInsane win, then she can run in 2012. Honey, if you keep destroying the dem party--your chances of being the dem nom in 2012 is less than 0.
I don't mean "love" ... I mean the minimum, "like".
Now, we're watching HRC decide that instead of getting behind the best candidate to move the COUNTRY (Vs. the Party or Vs. HRC) forward, she's decided that since the big bad media and all of the sexist men (like myself, who was an early supporter) want to take it away from 'her'.
When can we have the discussion that HRC has lost because of:
-- her message
-- her "coronation"
-- Mark Penn and PSD / and HRC LISTENING to them!
--- Ugh, Bill
And Obama has taken us forward due to:
-- Positive message
-- Post-partisian messages
-- Old = bad , new= better (hopefully)
-- Telling the truth is better than BS policies like dropping gas taxes!
-- Treating the electorate like a discussion partner rather than an idiot that can be BS'd into taking your side!
Come on, it's so obvious that whatever the negatives of Barack, can we not all agree that it would be better to lose with a candidate that brings the best of the partty Vs. the candidate that brings the old-boys/girls club that will win by saying anything. Can't we have a candidate to be proud of, even if they don't win?
If Barack looses, I will not lose a minute of sleep because as per any democracy, we get the government we deserve and not the one that is the best. I'll sleep well always knowing I at least had the courage to support the best rather than the "easiest" of the two.
God Bless America, and may the Good Lord Inform our Decisions In The Ballot Box.
I am older, uneducated(9th grade), hard working (warehouse shipping dept, manual labor, steel toed shoes etc...), female.
I used to look up to her, she was a strong woman, stood behind her husband after he screwed around, even when they left the white house and pardoned criminals and stole, I found her excuses believable.
After this campaign and the things she has said and done, The way she has treated the AMERICAN people, and the repeated lies she has told and refused to accept responsibility for her past actions.
My opinion of her now is that she is a lying, scheming, manipulative, spoiled brat. She is not "entitled" to anything and never was, this country doesn't work that way. And if she thinks 4 years is going to make people forget what she did and vote her into office in 2012 she has major issues.
So from a former Clinton supporter HILLARY GO HOME!!!!!!!
Still arguing that she hasn't lost.
We don't need a pony right now- just someone who'll win and make it easier for more winning. Why snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?