You're absolutely right, and this is a major problem in the Democratic party. The power structure of the party, which includes donors and party officials as well as members of the elected leadership, is overfull with "safe seat" types that care more about maintaining their own status than they do about leading the country in a new direction. Too many Democratic leaders are content to push progressive stances no farther than their own constituents are already comfortable with, and no one is willing to rock the boat and risk seeing the financial sector and special interest funds dry up.
Is it just me, or does it seem like the bulk of the elected Democratic leadership would prefer to be back in the Congressional Minority, so that they could go back to enjoy their penthouse suites and VIP goodie bags without having to risk all that plush treatment by changing the course that the country is on?
lynchie
· 1 year ago
this is something I have been posting about for over a year. I get that same feeling. As the opposition yhou really don't have anything to do. You scream about crappy bills occasionally but you get paid the same whether you push legislation or sit on the sidelines. to many of them like the easy life.
I am sort of disapointed in Americablog how they let this myth of Clinton's speech continue. Let me tell you she didn't convince her supporters at all.
HereinDC
· 1 year ago
She didn't convince 18,000.000 of them? Really? ALL 18,000,000?
Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood)
· 1 year ago
"It seems to be a very technical speech about being a Democrat, supporting (Obama) as a Democrat, but she never answered the big question (on whether he was ready)," Republican former New York City mayor and unsuccessful presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani told CNN.
Todays repub talking point.
ClintonHater
· 1 year ago
he is right. He is a huge douche bag and a miserable human being, but he is right.
Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood)
· 1 year ago
I think it is silly for people to be required to fit some narrow litmus test. Hillary has said over and over that she supports Barack Obama, that we must elect Barack Obama. Then all of a sudden we have the same people that were demanding that she unequivocally state her support say it was not enough. SHE DID IT, last night over and over. Now we have people that for whatever reason seem to be demanding that she use a very narrowly chosen set of words. That unless she uses these exact words then she has not stated she will support Obama. Oddly I read this same statement demanding this narrow set of words be used in several different comment boards by several differant people. Now everyone has the right to an opinion, but if these people are really Obama supporters, and not people out to sow division within our party, then they are no different than the Clinton supporters that are demanding the sun the moon and the stars to support Obama. Hillary retracting her earlier unfortunate statements would only divert media attention away from the build-up to Thursday. I personally am more concerned about having a good president, the commander in chief stuff relies on good judgment. Obama will be a great president. I have faith that his judgment will make him a great CIC. John McCain is a crazy old man and must not be elected period! He will be a bad president and an insane, lousy, short-tempered Commander in Chief. He will destroy what is left of our eroded rights and kill many hundreds if not thousands of our Troops.
ClintonHater
· 1 year ago
I expected her to hit on broad key points. She didn't, she deliberately and purposefully didn't. And I will not forget it.
Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood)
· 1 year ago
It does not matter after the next hour, the roll call is going on now and she is apparently losing.
ClintonHater
· 1 year ago
It matters to her supporters.
JMOHR
· 1 year ago
The real problem is not coming from Hillary. It is coming from a very small but vocal PUMA, a Republican party attempting to create divisiveness and a press trying to create a feeding frenzy.
For God's sake, the news reports have "experts" on body language to interpret whether or not Clinton really believes what she is saying. You have newspapers parsing her every word to create an issue.
Of course it is getting ridiculous because there are some who would rather see McCain win than Obama. These seem to be some pretty skin thinned individuals who place personal vanity before the good of this country or their democratic values. These are a small number but the Republicans are trying everything they can do to inflame these issues.
I know, it is a pain but one that we all have to bear until we can bring the conservative biased media back to the center.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
There was an article about something similar in HuffPo a month or two ago.
Apparently, the Clinton people really babied their top donors.
Obama just doesn't work that way, and they all got their noses out of joint.
After reading the HuffPo article, I could see how the Clintons got in their Lincoln Bedroom troubles.
jharp
· 1 year ago
"An end to the war; action on global warming; better health care coverage; and true LGBT equality. That's basically it."
I think you left out a biggie.
Tax reform.
Warren Buffett pays a much lower tax rate on his $46 million than his secretary pays on her $60 thousand.
Too lazy to look up the link for now.
HereinDC
· 1 year ago
It's true, I remember that story earlier this year....I even think Buffet said it on TV.
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
The degree of self absorbtion with the ultra wealthy is really quite stunning. No wonder Jesus said it will be easier for a camel to squeeze through the eye of a needle than a rich man entering the gates of heaven. (or something like that LOL)
Screw them. It's a good time to clean house anyway.
Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood)
· 1 year ago
If the Clinton fundraisers are so great, why is she 8 million in debt?
ZennButtKicker (tlhwraith)
· 1 year ago
bingo, we have a winner!
It amazes me how they are all pouting that Obama didn't kiss their rings and not one of them realizes that it was Obama, not Clinton, who ended the primaries with a positive cash flow. Must have done something right (like not babying them!).
Indigo
· 1 year ago
To the winner belong the spoils. Obama won. Maybe the Great Schism will happen after all. I still say Hillary's a Dixiecrat. Let her & Bill and the unRitzed storm out of the convention. The other delegates will boo and hiss them and then they'll know for sure what they only suspect, we don't like them. Too harsh? Too bad.
lynchie
· 1 year ago
When you view the extravagance at the Dem convention and surely the same will occur at the Repub in Milwaukee i am struck by the huge disconnect again between what the average American is feeling with $4 gas, homes being foreclosed, jobs being lost, rising food, heating oil and everyday costs and both Parties then view this whole convention as a time to piss millions away. It cost $11,000,000 just for police coverage. http://georgeindenver.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/...
The party apparently raised $40 million but there is no real number available. For people to demand a room at the Ritz speaks to the lavish spending during Clinton's primary and why she ended up $20 million in debt. I have posted before about the fact that this is the first time in history that the losing team gets treated as if they one the World Series 4 straight and we have to bow and scrape to make them feel welcome. I have one thought--fuck you all. You lost, d dont give a shit how many votes you had you lost, I don't care if it was the first woman running--you lost. At no previous time did any candidates supporters demand anything or expect anything. I have only this to say. If you don't like it vote for whom ever you want if that means McCain, so be it because this has gone beyond insanity. If Obama loses so be it, but we will lose on our own without having to continue to debase ourselves to somehow curry favor with the Clinton crowd. You are all meaningless in the grand scheme of getting this country back. I am appalled at the money being spent when we have 45 million americans without health care. Yeah, we aren't elitists, Yeah, we relate to the average american---not.
jr
· 1 year ago
creature comforts are more important than keeping a woman's right to choose to the Hillbots
caphillprof
· 1 year ago
There should be detriments to picking the wrong horse. A lot of these folks were in it for the "sure win" and not because they necessary supported Mrs. Clinton. And a lot of their money went to those negative anti-Obama Clinton ads that are now being used by McCain. You back the wrong candidate you don't stay at the Ritz, even if your drowning in money.
stevetalbert
· 1 year ago
this is what is has been about all along. The biggest donors were expecting Ambassadorships, appointments, invites to State dinners, etc... otherwise, they couldn't be bothered. Definitely true, or they would have stuck around because the cost of the room is insignificant in terms of donation.
davidkc
· 1 year ago
Wow, so for these folks the future of our country is less important than petty BS like this. Pathetic. Maybe the Democrats deserve to lose.
Apphouse50
· 1 year ago
Funny, I just heard Dolores Huerta assuring the country that Hillary Clinton shares the values of working families. Huh. I'm the breadwinner of a working family and damn! - I never stayed at the Ritz nor would I lower myself to whine about it.
What don't I understand, Dolores?
Busboy
· 1 year ago
How to live within your means?
Rainlion
· 1 year ago
I'm really beginning to wonder how much of this resentment, etc. is prevalent among the MAJORITY of Hillary supporters and how much of it really is relegated to a small, albeit VOCAL minority. People who can't see beyond the perceived snubs - or more to the point, have internalized what they saw/see as Hillary snubs as personal affronts, and therefore lost all logical objectivity.
How much of this is a continuation of the Rove/MSM driven meme of disharmony, 'cause that's all the GOP has besides lies?????
If I'm wrong - then I don't know what to say other than, clearly we as a nation have already lost... we've lost the ability to think in terms of the greater good and have finally instatiated, swallowed whole and given birth to the "me generation"... ME, ME, ME... it's about me.
It's about WE... WE the people, WE need to make some changes that WE can all get behind.
Great story Joe. And this is why the democratic insiders need to be replaced and why the Clintons need to let go.
What a disappointment that the actual roll call isn't continuously broadcast by public television. For some of us, the roll call is what pulled us into the process as children, watching our very own state take part. And personally, I was hoping to see some friends up there participating.
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Is it just me, or does it seem like the bulk of the elected Democratic leadership would prefer to be back in the Congressional Minority, so that they could go back to enjoy their penthouse suites and VIP goodie bags without having to risk all that plush treatment by changing the course that the country is on?
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...
I am sort of disapointed in Americablog how they let this myth of Clinton's speech continue. Let me tell you she didn't convince her supporters at all.
Really? ALL 18,000,000?
Todays repub talking point.
Hillary retracting her earlier unfortunate statements would only divert media attention away from the build-up to Thursday. I personally am more concerned about having a good president, the commander in chief stuff relies on good judgment. Obama will be a great president. I have faith that his judgment will make him a great CIC. John McCain is a crazy old man and must not be elected period! He will be a bad president and an insane, lousy, short-tempered Commander in Chief. He will destroy what is left of our eroded rights and kill many hundreds if not thousands of our Troops.
For God's sake, the news reports have "experts" on body language to interpret whether or not Clinton really believes what she is saying. You have newspapers parsing her every word to create an issue.
Of course it is getting ridiculous because there are some who would rather see McCain win than Obama. These seem to be some pretty skin thinned individuals who place personal vanity before the good of this country or their democratic values. These are a small number but the Republicans are trying everything they can do to inflame these issues.
I know, it is a pain but one that we all have to bear until we can bring the conservative biased media back to the center.
Apparently, the Clinton people really babied their top donors.
Obama just doesn't work that way, and they all got their noses out of joint.
After reading the HuffPo article, I could see how the Clintons got in their Lincoln Bedroom troubles.
I think you left out a biggie.
Tax reform.
Warren Buffett pays a much lower tax rate on his $46 million than his secretary pays on her $60 thousand.
Too lazy to look up the link for now.
Screw them. It's a good time to clean house anyway.
It amazes me how they are all pouting that Obama didn't kiss their rings and not one of them realizes that it was Obama, not Clinton, who ended the primaries with a positive cash flow. Must have done something right (like not babying them!).
Too harsh? Too bad.
The party apparently raised $40 million but there is no real number available. For people to demand a room at the Ritz speaks to the lavish spending during Clinton's primary and why she ended up $20 million in debt. I have posted before about the fact that this is the first time in history that the losing team gets treated as if they one the World Series 4 straight and we have to bow and scrape to make them feel welcome. I have one thought--fuck you all. You lost, d dont give a shit how many votes you had you lost, I don't care if it was the first woman running--you lost. At no previous time did any candidates supporters demand anything or expect anything. I have only this to say. If you don't like it vote for whom ever you want if that means McCain, so be it because this has gone beyond insanity. If Obama loses so be it, but we will lose on our own without having to continue to debase ourselves to somehow curry favor with the Clinton crowd. You are all meaningless in the grand scheme of getting this country back.
I am appalled at the money being spent when we have 45 million americans without health care. Yeah, we aren't elitists, Yeah, we relate to the average american---not.
The biggest donors were expecting Ambassadorships, appointments, invites to State dinners, etc... otherwise, they couldn't be bothered.
Definitely true, or they would have stuck around because the cost of the room is insignificant in terms of donation.
What don't I understand, Dolores?
How much of this is a continuation of the Rove/MSM driven meme of disharmony, 'cause that's all the GOP has besides lies?????
If I'm wrong - then I don't know what to say other than, clearly we as a nation have already lost... we've lost the ability to think in terms of the greater good and have finally instatiated, swallowed whole and given birth to the "me generation"... ME, ME, ME... it's about me.
It's about WE... WE the people, WE need to make some changes that WE can all get behind.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/27/unity-...
What a disappointment that the actual roll call isn't continuously broadcast by public television. For some of us, the roll call is what pulled us into the process as children, watching our very own state take part. And personally, I was hoping to see some friends up there participating.