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AMERICAblog: Joe the Plumber, and the GOP obsession with mediocrity

  • Steve_in_CNJ · 10 months ago
    John, these red-meat threads would be more successful if you would hire some good trolls.
  • Gridlock · 10 months ago
    It boggles the mind that there are actual people who are this stupid on the planet; not just ignorant, which is a lack of knowledge or information, but literally STUPID, as in incurious and incapable of grasping even moderately complicated ideas.

    How can someone sit there with a straight face and say that media shouldn't be reporting on war, while engaging in that very same activity at the exact same time, and not even notice?

    Tha's not mediocrity.. that's downright mental incompetence. Let's stop lowering the bar, here. That's the problem. We lower the bar so much so everybody gets a trophy, nobody fails even if they're drooling on themselves.

    Joe the Plumber is an idiot. He's not mediocre, he's a few steps below that. Moronic, perhaps. Deficient, surely.
  • brb915 · 10 months ago
    WTF???????????????????????????? Citizens of the Middle East don't have normal llives anywhere you land your tack! WTF does he mean by "normal" anyway? Does he think the Israelis and Palestinians go to the factory, put eight hours in, come home with Starbucks in hand, catch up on iTunes releases and AIMs online, eat a LeanCuisine, and go to bed???????? This guy needs to be beaten with a stick
  • Cuneiformed · 10 months ago
    All the Israelis I know, Zionist and non-Zionist alike, all have very clean hair.

    The problem lies with the tiny little details lacking in Palestinian day-to-day life, such as running water, food, unbombed shelter, unbombed educational facilities, a viable economy, jobs, and of course, the ability to wash one's hair without being blown to smithereens, to name but a few.
  • caphillprof · 10 months ago
    I know it's a mortal sin to remember Hitler and the Nazis, . . . but . . . we might recall that the wealthy Germans believed that they could control Hitler and his thugs, and were shocked, shocked when they discovered that they could not. The wealthy Republicans feel the same way about the cracker Republicans.
  • caphillprof · 10 months ago
    Oh, and I still remain unconvinced that Joe the Plumber is real in no sense of the world. He's straight out of central casting. Wurzelbacher plays Joe the Plumber.
  • Ed Drone · 10 months ago
    "Same thing with our female Dan Quayle, Sarah Palin."

    CAREFUL! Dan Quayle might sue!

    Ed
  • truebluecoondog · 10 months ago
    BECAUSE, the intellectual lightweights, right to life housewives and beer buddies are there as a cover for the top 2% white collar richer than God criminals who are sucking us dry. Without the End Times trailer trash, nobody would vote for them. Thurston Howell III or Gilligan?
  • Mike_in_the_Tundra · 10 months ago
    From your mouth to God's ear. I'm convinced that's what the Republican Party is all about. Except for one guy, every Log Cabinette that I have ever met is all about holding on to their cash. The one exception is cute but dumber than dirt.
  • Mr Blifil · 10 months ago
    This guy has so much in common with Gannon it's not even funny. I notice lots of male porn stars these days are shaved bald and work out too much. This must be the aesthetic to which Samuel aspires.

    Was anyone ever able to ascertain whether he's in fact related to the Wurzelberger who had a link to the Keating Five?
  • jiminportlandoregon · 10 months ago
    It is not just a "GOP obsession with medicrity". It is an American obsession. Not enough news to fill the 24 hour cycle that never ends. So, we are inundated with idiots like Joe the Plumber and we're told it's news. News to whom? Perhaps his estranged wife who wants her alimony. Note to wife: you can find him in Israel. So, for those who continue to report this nonsense, you are part of the problem.
  • frank · 10 months ago
    If we ignored the bold one he will go away. I promise
  • AdamBlast · 10 months ago
    The republicans are losing ground fast, and deservedly so. We can only laugh at their attempts to grow even *more* anti-intellectual with folks like Palin and their overgroomed ex-plumber who seems so Gannon-esque.
  • RobertD2 · 10 months ago
    I think you are mistaking a feature for a bug. The "filthy rich businessmen" WANT politics to be steady diet of dumb. You're post is based on the assumption that monied repugs want an effective strategy for moving America into the 21st Century. It's a false premise.

    Sadly, and disgustingly, what the Repug's who really run things want is cowed, dumb, COMPLIANT, cheap and expendable work force. That's it. Intellectual curiosity leads to slef awareness which leads to the unwashed masses figuring out that they can be in charge ... And we can't have that can we.

    Why should the filthy rich businessmen be fed up with a diet of dumb? That diet leads right to a more riches.
  • foxy · 10 months ago
    They are easier to manipulate...and the GOP thinks that the average American population has a low IQ, and lacks self-esteem. And needs a Rick Warren archetype to guide the flock.
  • Badger3k · 10 months ago
    The dumber the politician, the easier they are to manipulate into doing what you want, especially if you have the money and influence. That's why the businessmen of the GOP want these stooges.
  • BurnedByFailure · 10 months ago
    I'm waiting for the GOP to just nominate a corn-filled lump of shit as their next president. Can't do any worse than resident weak and stupid did at running the country for eight years, and it would damn sure be smarter than Joe the gay porn star-looking douchebag.
  • septic tank · 10 months ago
    Idunno. I grew up in a blue collar town and knew plenty of barstool sages and small town intellectuals that were way smarter and more perceptive than all but a few senators, presidents, etc. And then, yes, there were plenty of angry dumb bunnies like our Joe, about whom Thomas Frank has written numerous books. There were union leaders whose grasp of social issues and power couldn't be beat and whose mangled syntax made that of the Bushes and the Daleys sound like Tennyson. And then there were their imitators, pols sent by the Chamber of Commerce, who copped their style and pressed it into service for the cause of advancing conservatism.

    Anyway, point being that there's a lot of room for pointy headed types that went to community college and people with "real world (or sub-affluent)" experience in Washington. And there's good reason to distrust, or at least not to take uncritically, the advice of all the certifiably smart people who went through Harvard and Yale, and whose forebears have gotten us into plenty of messes (see, for example, "meltdown, financial").
  • AdrianBrowne · 10 months ago
    I'm sure Joe will receive the No Bell Piece Prize for his journalizm.
  • foxy · 10 months ago
    As that like in Taco ?
  • devlzadvocate · 10 months ago
    Women of The View (including Hassleback) kicked Ann Coulter to the curb.
  • katiec · 10 months ago
    Think the GOP is trying to show their connection with "regular" people. Problem is they pick idiots which leads me to believe that is what they think of us also. The party of the rich, big business etc does not have a clue what is good for the country or us.
    They need to get their heads out of the sand.
  • pdxprobert · 10 months ago
    The whole country is obsessed with mediocrity and their 15 minutes of fame... reality TV enabled this belief that everybody is superb at something.. and they must be given thier time to show it.... the music scene was the first to raise mediocre songs and I shriek to call them artists to the star level even though their performances were grossly overrated... the 80s and early 90s marked the end of rewading only excellence... in todays climate, everybody has to be a winner.. I think the liberals had a big role in bringing that about... and that isn't a good thing...being mediocre or even failing was supposed to be an indicator you need to practice more or find something else more suited to your skill base... and if you havent got a clue what your skills are, then settle for what you get just being a plain jane or joe........ and oh yeah, stop living vicariously through your children...not all kids want to be what you never achieved.... let them find their own gifts...
  • StickIt · 10 months ago
    I agree with you and I say this as a liberal. The whole P.C. 'Everyone's a winner"; "everyone gets a trophy/medal/ribbon"; "there are no losers" crap is partially (not fully but partially) to blame for the acceptance of mediocrity. The fact is there are always going to be winners and losers and we have become a population that can't handle losing, can't handle not being the center of attention, can't handle the fact not everyone thinks they're the greatest thing since sliced bread...

    People like Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin used to be ashamed of their lack of knowledge and intellect, now they are proud of it. They bask in it and are proud of themselves for being stupid and ignorant. Heck there is even talk that the GOP will try and get Joe to run for the Illinois Senate seat in 2010. The sad fact is that he could get up on stage and speak jabberwocky and fart and drool over himself and he would still get a good chunk of votes from the idiot population in Ohio.
  • StickIt · 10 months ago
    I meant Ohio Senate seat, sorry about that.
  • pdxprobert · 10 months ago
    Its still a scary thought regardless of which state... we might just be to able to see how good he is at bringing out the old "why he talks just like us do" crowd... there's a reason why the rank and file outnumber management.. its because not everybody is good at managing and oversight... we've seen that in the past 15 years with the decay on Wall Street where cons and cheaters were elevated to levels of managers and chairmans and the only thing they knew how to do was steal... and I bet everyone of the thiefs will say he or she's a christian or a believer...
  • slappymagoo · 10 months ago
    Couple of thoughts
    1: Republicans treat meidocirty, even stupidity, as a virtue. Political folklore, not to mention countless hours of TV shows and movies, lionize the "common man" who nonetheless knows more than the big shot power brokers. The guys who aw-shucks their way to the microphone and say something like "well, I'm no politician...I'm just a simple (insert simple profession here ) from (insert typical small-town), but it seems to me like (insert simple homsepun wisdom about the state of the world that knocks evil doers or ambitious power brokers who can be redeemed but lost their way on their collective ass)." This style of thinking also allows people who think of themselves as regular old common folk to be suspicious of anyone who went to college or succeeded in their lives. As a result, this nation is chocabloc full of individuals who think that thinking is more trouble than it's worth. If you want to be successful in anything other than professional sports or American Idol, you're a jerk. If your job requires you to wear a suit, you're suspicious. Successful people only want to bring us down...soooooo, let's worship at the altar of the successful people who don't act like they're successful! Sure they wear the suits, but they HAVE to! They talk like us, even with their college degrees, and they don't like fancy foods and they shoot straight from the hip and theysurround themselves with good old friends instead of smart people who will change 'em into something they're not, and that's good enough for me!

    I swear, politics from the top down to city councils and school boards are filled with this sort of non-logic, and it makes me want to puke. Intelligence and compassion can go hand in hand once in a while. and ironically, the people that these thunderdolts vote for are often neither.

    2: Anyone truly smart in the Republican Party...is now a Democrat. Ba-dump bump. But seriously, any Republican with half a rock in his or her head knows the power is in the shadows. Better to get a puppet up there to say the things you want the people to hear, and be in the background where (usually) public scrutiny is non-existent,, and pull the strings and reap the rewards if not the accolades. From a strictly Machiavellian srandpoint, Rove's biggest character flaw is he started to crave the limelight. People started to recognize him as Bush's Brain and instead of going deeper into the shoadows, he started to relish the newfound fame. I'm glad he had that kind of hubris, I shudder to think how much more damage he could've done had he remained invisible except for his hand of Dubya's ass.

    3: I hope Samjoe the notta plumber NEVER goes away. He IS the face of the Republican Party, and the more we laugh at that face, the more future generations might believe they're meant for something better than that what that party has to offer them.
  • beachboi · 10 months ago
    Democrats (a group which does not include Rep Pelosi, Sen Reid, or Sen Schummer) must seize control of the nations educational system to improve standards of education K-12 and beyond. We must produce educated minds that will never again fall for this Republican anti-intellectualism. Only educated minds will make America great and prosperous once again, not a bunch of dumb unlicensed plumbers or airhead, bimbo, beauty queen hockey moms with their noses jammed inside their Bibles. The mere thought of Republicans makes me want to vomit excessively.
  • Soundboy_jeff_meanie · 10 months ago
    What is with the Republican obsession with intellectual lightweights?

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    it goes back to the old saying "nobody likes a know-it-all"...

    seriously, repugnicans ALWAYS try to paint Dems as intellectual elitists... which makes the average voter feel like they're being spoken down to.

    I don't know about anyone else... but I'd rather have someone a bit smarter than I in the positions of power.

    I mean, you wouldn't want your brain surgeon to look like Jerry Garcia and call you 'dude', would you?

    presidents shouldn't be picked based on whether or not they'd do a funnel with you at a frat party... as is obvious after the last 8 years.
  • smallhandff · 10 months ago
    Joe the Plumber, war correspondent? Was Jeff Gannon "otherwise engaged"?
  • Soundboy_jeff_meanie · 10 months ago
    nobody can FIND jeff gannon.
  • Jack J. · 10 months ago
    Joe the Blow represents the foot soldiers of the wealthy wing of the GOP. Being publically mediocre makes you as good as platinum with Repubs, the more mediocre the better.

    They need these guys because they're dumb enoug to swallow talking points and propaganda whole but too dumb to know that they're being played for laughs. In my opinion, the reason the Repukes want education dismantled, it creates more knuckledragging oafs for their powerbase and that keeps then in power.
  • Bubbles · 10 months ago
    What is with the Republican obsession with intellectual lightweights?

    It's called marketing. The Republicans attract their elites through back channels, and their is no shortage of them or their money, as the former is roughly defined by the latter.

    But they need masses for voting power. To this, they rely on their corporate marketing departments. The corporate elite that dominate the Republican party know that the way to market their product to the masses is to ape the masses.

    They know that the decision to buy anything from laundry soap to a six pack of beer to a refrigerator is based upon an emotion or emotional instinct. Putting 'guys like us' - joe six pack and hockey moms - in the driver's seat forces many people to decide between voting for themselves and voting for an abstraction.

    Palin, Joe the Plumber, dumb as a box of rocks. The marketing that puts them there, smart. Very smart.
  • pdxprobert · 10 months ago
    Yup, it is effective marketing.. its not what your selling, its what their saying that the base buys... "why he/she talks just like us do." is the mindset that makes stars out of fools...

    the Republican marketing machine could sell used toothbrushes to their base and make them feel good about the gum disease they got from the previous user, by claiming it was a gift from God..... and it was their job to figure out what God was trying to tell them when their gums start to bleed...

    ps - when referring to Palin and Joe the Plumber, we should also include Elizabeth Hasselback in that element of mediocrity, that the Republican marketing machine has been so successful in creating....
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 10 months ago
    I just like ask those who voted for Stupid, especially in 2004, how that's been werkin' fer' em.

    The answer is never a positive one.
  • Pat · 10 months ago
    they've actually embraced these characters precisely because they're so "regular guy."

    I consider myself a "regular guy" but I'm no moron. I think the Republicans just celebrate ignorance.
  • Bubbles · 10 months ago
    Well, when you think about it, they have to celebrate ignorance. Who else are they going to get to vote against their own interests? What other poor people are going to vote to keep themselves in poverty, squalor, and poor health so that they can give more money to billionaires.
  • Sister Faith · 10 months ago
    "mascots of mediocrity"....

    Great line John!

    And I agree with brb95....the Joe the Plumber idiot needs to be beaten with a stick. He is way past stupid.
  • okojo · 10 months ago
    The Republicans have had its share of intellectuals, like Martin Feldstein, Justice Anthony Scalia, even Newt Gingrich and Dick Armey, two former college professors. However, the rigidity of the intellectuals is so blatantly apparent, it makes them so insufferable and intolerable.

    One can argued that Paul Wolfowitz, John Bolton, even god forbid, Doug Feith were all intellectuals, however they were also so skewered and self righteous in their thinking that it was difficult to have a open discussion with the policies they shoved down Americans' throats. Wolfowitz did try to reach out to all sides during the Iraq war to find a solution, (well he was in charge, until Rumsfeld took over day to day control around the fall of 2003)

    I guess my point is that the Republicans are not all Hee Haw watching "know nothings", many like Perle and Wolfowitz were once Democrats, who get so obsess on one goal, it skewers their thinking. Whether it is Middle Eastern Policy, that seemed to come from the salons of Irving Kristol, to bonehead economic policy that people like Feldstein have even come to criticized..

    There are intellectuals in the GOP, they are just disingenuous and ignore much of the GOP social policy to appease the social conservatives, except for Scalia, who seemed to want to re-create the United States of Opus Dei.
  • Mitch · 10 months ago
    Interesting that the first thing a plumber would notice is that people in Sderot have to take short showers.
  • coolcatdaddy · 10 months ago
    Fascinating ... the Republican party now consists of blue collar/rural/evangelicals and guys with really big bank accounts.

    What makes me think the guys with really big bank accounts like the Republicans because they can so easily influence and buy their base?
  • okojo · 10 months ago
    What kept the Republicans in power were their overall fundraising compare to the Democratic Party, During the Clinton Years, it was close to 2:1. However under the auspices of Senator Schumer, the Iraq war, the Republicans fundraising has dropped considerably.

    If the Republicans want to get back in power, they have put a leash on the Social Conservatives, they need independent voters more than they need Social Conservatives. Independent Voters are the kingmakers of US politics, and both Democrats and Republicans need to appease the Independent voters.

    The only time I have ever seen President Bush go to Seattle was for Fundraising, and he wouldn't even be for Seattle for that, (Seattle is up there with San Francisco as Anti Bush) but he would go to Medina and the Eastside of Lake Washington for that. Much like any Republican worth his or her salt, will be in Manhattan for fundraising, given it is the most lucrative places for fundraising.
  • LanceThruster · 10 months ago
    Joe the Liar excels at being mediocre.
  • Older_Wiser · 10 months ago
    Looks like the "media" really is in the toilet now.

    Stunts like this are all the Rethugs have...
  • Older_Wiser · 10 months ago
    Yikes! Headline over at pjtv.com

    Joe Wurzelbacher comes under rocket fire in Israel (or some such shit)

    Wonder how long before MM or AC spreads 'em for the "Plumber?" You know they like to be dominated (wink, wink). Of course, afterwards, there are the trips to the hospital and the orders of protection...
  • monopole · 10 months ago
    That got me thinking. It's not the working class that Joe the Plumber appeals to, it's the white trash segment. I grew up working class and my parents did everything in their power to make sure I and my sister were intellectually stimulated and academic performers. Going to college was an absolute certainty as was grad school. We went from my grandfather coming off the boat, to my father getting a GED to me getting a PhD in Physics. Such strivers are much more likely to identify and be attracted to Obama/Clinton "up from nothing" types.
    On the other hand what I call "white trash" do not actively seek to advance themselves or their children but dream of a big score to lift themselves up. This is the sort who love Palin and Joe the Plumber.
  • Katie5 · 10 months ago
    I think it was Josh Marshall who said that Republicans tolerate huge amounts of mediocrity in everything except the court, where they demand incredibly astute (wilely?) individuals. Makes me wonder where the graduates of Regents University fit into this. However, Republicans needs brains when it comes to legally justifying their questionable activities.
  • Rab · 10 months ago
    Good analysis, I work with repugs like Joe the dipshit plumber. I can tolerate them as long as they talk about fishing and hunting and working on cars but the minute they switch to anything requiring intelligence it's time for them to shut the fuck up. These are the people who really didn't take the tough courses in school, it shows many times over.
  • paulbe · 10 months ago
    The Israelis know a thing or two about message management, so why is this idiot over there shilling for them. I would've thought the last thing they'd want is to be associated with the all-American "get a brain moran" crowd, when their Gaza adventure requires a near impossible hard global sell.
  • RitornaVincitor · 10 months ago
    Conservatism is intellectually lazy compared to progressivism. Holding on to the past requires less thinking and imagination. That's why so many conservatives end up with dementia. Heston shouldn't have said, "Out of my cold, dead hands." He should have said, "Out of my brain dead hands."
  • Boycottutah · 10 months ago
    The intelligent people of the GOP used a very cynical approach. They see the majority of people as stupid sheeple and have decided to manipulate them.
  • undoctored · 10 months ago
    Certainly in places like the South the power structure is composed of rich Republicans who all want their kids to get into "good" colleges including the Yankee Harvards and Yales. I know this because I was once affiliated with one of the "ivy-league-wanna-be" institutions in the former Confederacy. When I went there I was told, "Here the students drive Porches and vote Republican and the faculty drive VW's and vote Democratic. The point I'm making is that the GOP only pretends to embrace the ignorant and low-information voters. The way they conduct their own lives is a completely different matter.
  • shell · 10 months ago
    You act like the GOP has a choice. The vast majority of their party is now comprised of the "Under 100 IQ folks." Their candidates represent ... them. Isn't this how it should be? I know more "moderate" Democrats yearn for a sane GOP ticket, but isn't it going in the opposite direction?

    As a Democrat, who is pretty far to the Left of Obama, I applaud a Palin-Joe-the-Plumber ticket in 2012.
  • mrspeel2 · 10 months ago
    This is, simply put, more proof that ElRushbo's rhetoric about "the Dumbing Down of America" is coming true. Only problem is, (and what he's too stupid to realize) is that it's HIS party that's ensuing his prophecies.

    How proud he must be that they're doing their darnedest to prove him right!
  • erstwhile · 10 months ago
    What I really loved was "Joe's" attire. T-shirt. Total class
  • flex · 10 months ago
    Joe the plumber is gay!!!:)
  • Joe · 10 months ago
    Joe the Plumber represents the intelligentsia of the neoconservative class in America. They should promote him to RNC spokesperson.
  • Bob Johnson · 10 months ago
    As we've repeatedly seen and experienced, as a political entity the Republican Party prefers figureheads as leaders. The work of getting the money, of crippling labor, of eschewing oversight and accountability is done quite effectively behind the scenes.

    You only need ask who actually ran the Bush administration: Cheney, Rumsfeld, a slew of neocon implants, and industry synchophants lathered heavily throughout the federal bureacracy. It is this hidden constituency that will be so hard to dislodge.
  • JWSwift · 10 months ago
    Can't believe the O.P. is surprised that the behind-the-scenes intellegencia of the right-wing are happy to support these dumb-as-rocks "everyman" front guys like Joe and Sarah.
    It worked really well with "W" being the face of the party but nothing more than a ventriloquist's dummy who had Cheney's evil arm way up his but to make his mouth move. The stupid people are the ones who are most easy to control and manipulate! Most of the truly smart people are happy to have the true power and stay out of the spotlight, and let some dumbass do their dirty work for them. Simple.
  • joe trimble · 10 months ago
    With republicans, the more ignorant, the better (for politicians, commentators and voters).
  • anon · 10 months ago
    “Journalists and prostitutes face the same challenge: competition from amateurs.”
  • prius04 · 2 months ago
    The Republican party exists to further the aims of a rich ruling class. But there are not enough rich people to win elections. So they have to appeal to lower classes to do that. This is why they seek out intellectual lightweights. As long as those lightweights can bring in the votes through charm or charisma or good looks they can have a future in the Republican party.

    But if one of those rubes tries to actually run things, they get run out of town. This is why Faux News seems to have turned against Sarah Palin.
  • darkr0nin · 1 month ago
    Article is thoroughly biased, as the columnists writes under the assumption that all conservative politicians are morons. Nay, quite a few are intellectual, but they are quite often drowned out by members of congress that, quite frankly, shouldn't be politicians at all.

    Really a lot of the fringe right vote for the not-so-clever not because they like the "simple folk" who don't use big words, but because they dance to the same tune. Unfortunately, the far right is also a very volatile group, so the second someone is voted in who is not "of the same crop", they will immediately rant about how they are being oppressed.

    This has long since moved on from intelligence. It is now a matter of culture.