Holy crap -- John, you MUST try and track down a video of the rally going on right now, with Palin giving her stump speech beside McCain. HE CAN'T KEEP HIS HANDS OFF HIS WEDDING BAND! Every time he ends up beside her, he fiddles and fiddles wirth his wedding band...
roberthenkel
· 1 year ago
What about McCain's economic policies? What about McCain being the ONLY one who is for staying in Iraq?
Let's have some SUBSTANCE!
Enough of the side/freak show!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BarbaraGordon
· 1 year ago
Obama has to shift away from focusing on Palin and reminding people that we cannot afford More of the Same, i.e. Bush=McCain. Let surrogates and those in the media who are now sniffing around Alaska deal with Palin.
BLOGGING BITCH!
· 1 year ago
I just learned that Cleveland, Ohio has a monopoly newspaper. I also learned the Cleveland is overwhelmingly Democrat.
Casualties are next to "0" in Iraq and we need to thank George Bush.
It goes on to say that this is no time for Obama.
Oh, Stephanie Tobbs Jones was replaced last night in a very non-public manner and it was Cuyahoga County that gave Bush the Election in '04.
We need to expose this newspaper for what it is!
meemers
· 1 year ago
Selecting Palin is one of the sleaziest political moves the Republicans have made in recent history. Not only was the announcement clearly an unethical attempt to divert attention away from Barack Obama’s Democratic National Convention acceptance speech, but it was also a desperate plea to disaffected Hillary Clinton supporters. more: http://www.dailyevergreen.com/story/25965 I really feel like I am living in Bizzoaro world. For the first time in my adult life "I am really ashamed of my country" We are becoming the laughing stock of the world!
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
John McCain is not a good man.
He's just using Palin to get what he wants.
Rustyzipper
· 1 year ago
How in the Hell, are the Lipstick maverics getting away with the CHANGE thing???
stash
· 1 year ago
Chuck's point has so many ramifications. If McCain and Palin campaign solo, there will be the inevitable comparisons in crowd size. The media would flock to Palin events. And they'd catch people in the crowd saying "I wish she were the presidential nominee." Upstaged by his own running mate. And what's the chance Sarah Palin would start get ideas "above her station"?
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
"...above her station..." I am hearing that overture to "HMS Pinafore" now.
He loves and loves a lass above her station Yes yes the lass is much above his station
We know how THAT turned out, don't we Little Buttercup! Something about "baby farming"....mmmm...Bristol? Hockey boy?
A many years ago, when I was young and charming, as some of you may know, I practiced baby farming!
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Entitled possibly...
HMS Pinahead?
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
Actually today I've been playing "Bow, boy ye lower middle classes" from "Iolanthe"....
Beverly33
· 1 year ago
The real question should by why is closeted gay journalist Matthew Drudge allowed to steer the GOP propaganda attacks and the media faithfully follows his lead. Drudge did the exact same thing with the fabricated Oprah scandal. Matt invented a complete lie that Oprah was afraid of Palin's strength and blocked her from appearing on her show (against her workers wishes). Now this was a total and complete lie. But the anti-gay GOP base (which worships Drudge) ate it up and went into a frenzy about the "Afro-monster Oprah." This is how it works folks. Unless Obama wakes up real soon and starts going on the offensive, the election is over.
sittenpretty
· 1 year ago
he is OWNED by Rupert Murdoch and the GOOPERS ,he is spoon fed all the words.....period
sittenpretty
· 1 year ago
he is OWNED by Rupert Murdoch and the GOOPERS ,he is spoon fed all the words.....period
naschkatzehussein
· 1 year ago
You can say that again.
devlzadvocate
· 1 year ago
So, CT is really saying JM has his hand up SP's ass like a sock, using her like a puppet. Nobody was listening to him, so they will listen to his words through her. So an old man parades around with a MILF for repugnicans, they all go ga-ga (see the polls on number of men who LOVE SP) and crowd in to see her like she is a stripper for Jesus.
If that is the truth, then she really is a pig.
CobaltBlue
· 1 year ago
John McCain – POW – PRISONER OF W.
Cheerfully chained to W’s ideologies.
Totally tied to W’s failed leadership.
Willing AND proud Prisoner of W’s abysmal record.
McCain - Palin = 90% Bush 10% nothing else.
katjam
· 1 year ago
Watch McCain on stage these days when he is standing backup to Sarah. He hates it! He fiddles with his wedding ring. His lips are in a tight line or a forced smile. Obama needs to answer questions about why he is not going after Palin by saying something like: "I know it is hard to believe these days but Palin is not my opponent. Lest we forget, John McCain is actually the one at the top of the ticket. " He needs to mock the fact that McCain pales in comparison when Palin is at his side. John's explosive temper is already simmering. Let's remind him of the humiliation he is already beginning to experience. (Beauty queen Cindy McCain is also none to pleased by being upstaged.)
In addition we need to begin mocking and dismantling the thanks but no thanks phrase that is now so deeply embedded with Palin's persona. We need Youtubes and political cartoons created where she is saying TBNT to John.
For example show the two of them in the White House. John asks her to attend some state funeral. " TBNT John, I'm taking the Joint Chiefs out for a moose hunt today. " Or: " TBNT John, I'm waiting for a call from Putin to tell him what I have decided to do about Georgia."
The phrase has become her strength. We need to make it her downfall.
jebauer
· 1 year ago
Garrison Keillor and Clarence Page both wrote excellent opeds today in the Chicago Tribune (chicagotribune.com) If anyone's interested.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
How sad McCain has selected this ignominious end to his career and the abandonment of his principles in a crazed attempt to secure the one thing he's lusted after for, at least, a decade or more. The same ignorant thuggery that secured the last 8 years of selfishness, theft and failure, the ignorant thuggery that nowadays pretends a Sgt. Schultz-like averted eye silence when Bush/Cheney are mentioned now sadly, pitifully promotes America's death through the bad offices of McPalin. If any pig wears lipstick it's KKKarl...
roberthenkel
· 1 year ago
What about the economy?
What about security in the USA?
What about our financial institutions collapsing?
What about the fact that China OWNS us?
Enough about lipstick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
precisely.
a man who uses a woman to hide behind is the LAST person on earth who could or should run a country.
ZennButtKicker (tlhwraith)
· 1 year ago
Actually, that is exactly wrong. Do you ever wonder why the GOP wins so often, it aint because of the issues. These type of silly attacks are exactly the things that get their base all riled up and get them in the voting booth. If anything, the Dems need to learn that talking to peoples brains may be intellectually satisfying, appealing to their hearts is what wins elections.
McCain is running the script to perfection right now. He doesn't give a rats butt about the issues, because he knows they are all bad news for him. He's obviously going for the emotional vote, and he's doing it.
Obama does need to talk issues, but he darn sure better start getting his base all riled up to or he will be beaten at the ballot box. Obama needs to stop running away from his celebrity and embrace it full boar. More than that, show some emotion, start going on the offensive instead of mostly "responding", and start dictacting the course of discussion. Obama has convinced us he's smart enough for the job, now inspire us that he's strong enough.
An_American_Karol
· 1 year ago
Off Topic, but a thought I had this morning: Obama needs the center to win this election. The center normally leans a little to the right, as evidenced in the last few elections. Last week at the Republican Convention, the protestors scared these center voters into believing the left is a little too left. I think this is the reason the election has tightened up. If we aren't careful, we could cut our noses off despite our faces. Has anyone else thought of this?
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
yes Karol. it is interesting. I just read a post somewhere about "message polling' tending to be a bit overly conservative, which might cause Obama to be overly cautious...it's hard to know.
i think Obama is as on top of it as possible.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
however, center voters are scared of far-right policies.
how many centrist women are going to vote for mccain/palin?
there were two reasons palin was added to the ticket... one, to pick up women disenfranchised by the loss of Hillary on the ticket (which, I think should REALLY piss off women because it assumes that they're stupid.)
and two, palin will bring in the religious right vote.
palin will vote for overturning Roe V Wade... and the religious right want that.
it comes down to this... how many centrists want the social conservative agenda?
naschkatzehussein
· 1 year ago
I agree with you, and I also take the Arianna Huffington point of view that this election is not becoming that close, that the polls and media are manipulating the public. The initial poll response was that Obama got a 2 point bounce out of Palin's selection. In the following days, the beginning of her vetting process did nothing to help her. Also, last I looked, Obama was 9 points ahead in Iowa which GWB took in 2004 by 0.7%. Now, if Obama only needs to get one state more than Gore or Kerry, Iowa is it. But we shouldn't relax and we should work as hard as possible to make the margin as wide as we can. And things are really getting nasty in the contested states like VA.
Coming Undone
· 1 year ago
Every time we talk about McCain or Palin we have to frame it as Bush-McCain-Palin or Bush-Palin-McCain lies, because voters are not connecting the dots, and really don't know what the bridge to nowhere is about. We have to stop running against Palin and run against Bush-McCain. If we make this election about Sarah Palin then McCain gets another free ride from a woman.
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
It's all about the lie.
McCain can only win if enough people believe his lies and he lies on everything. He appears to put women and children first by picking Palin, but he doesn't on any policy issue. It's all linkable to fitness for office and it is anything BUT change.
McCain learned to lie at the foot of Bush's architect, Karl Rove.
slappymagoo
· 1 year ago
Someone needs to point out to the war hero that Rove and his minions totally did a runaround with his campaign. The GOP hates McCain. He did his best to suck their collective ass. No soap. He adopted their platforms over his own (the few times they differed anyway. No soap. So now, he agrees to the Veep candidate THEY want, and NOW they're interested...in his veep candidate.
McCain is using Palin? HA! It's mutual parasitism. The Rovers are using McCain - barely - to get someone who toes the line front and center. He's like an extension cord, sending a current between Rove's team and the base they prepresent, and Sarah Palin, the shadow presidential candidate.
Doesn't McCain get it? even if he's elected, he's not REALLY elected! He'll be a conduit like Cheney used Bush as a conduit. Only in this case, Rove will be using Palin, who will be using McCain, who will have a nice comfy chair in the Oval Office, and not much of anything else.
Man, to survive what McCain's survived, and still wind up having to die with no honor. I don't know how he does it. without putting a shotgun in his mouth. Oh, right, he has no honor, so it doesn't matter. My mistake
CDS2
· 1 year ago
Wow....I can think of a lot of areas where McCain can be challenged, but 'honor' is not one of them. That one is a sure loser, and I'd be real careful of that.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
show me how he's been honorable in this campaign?
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Begone troll...thy lipstick awaits!
ZennButtKicker (tlhwraith)
· 1 year ago
omg I can't believe I actually agree with you. I think progressives are too hell bent on disproving everything the GOP puts out and not spending enough time actually pro-actively setting our own message.
Yes, we all know McCain isn't actually a "hero" as much as he is one lucky SOB for surviving. Does knocking him down on that front give us any advantage, maybe, is the tactic frought with danger and could possible be seen as attacking a man who served his country, heck yes!
In short, progressives, stop with the nit-picky "ooh ooh ooh they lied/misled" on this thing, it doesn't work. We need to stop reacting to the GOPs silliness and be more pro-active about putting our own message out. Bottom line, we have the better platform to help fix this country, when you have the better product, why would you spend all your time trying to make the other guys product look bad?
So, we need to start talking to peoples hearts, not so much their brains. Realize that most Americans are not political junkies and they really do like their "symbols" like flags, vets, bibles, etc. PRogressives try too hard to change the electorates thought process instead of taking advantage of it.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
If you stop reacting to the Gop "SILLINESS" then you have allowed them to paint a portrait of you, an incorrect picture of you.
ZennButtKicker (tlhwraith)
· 1 year ago
True. I may have misrepresented what I was trying to say. I'm agree that responding to their attacks is necessary, but the main goal should be "attacking" on our own terms. Obama has a "truth squad" to handle false allegation, but can anyone agree that he has adequately put forth his "I'm going to open up a can of whoopass on McCain-Palin" squad? That's my point, respond to the lies, move on, but the main thing is, present a strong and powerful alternative.
As one of my co-workers said today, she like Obamas ideas, but she still isn't sure he's got the "cajones" (her words, not mine) to make the hard decisions and push through his vision. Obama needs to show he can lead, not just respond.
IMO it seems like we are playing into the GOPs hand by spending all this energy "playing in the weeds". We get all riled up about who Palin fired, or if McCain said this or that, and we miss the really big picture. The electorate responds to strength, not necessarily truth. Defend yourself, fine, but also throw some strong punches and speak to the heart of the voters. Obama needs to get his base (not the far left, the mushy middle people like me) to get their hearts into the fight.
Even as an avid Obama supporter, as I am, I just don't think he's selling himself well enough as a strong leader, a cerebral one yes, but strength and the belief that a leader will stick up for them is what will get people to the ballot boxes.
slappymagoo
· 1 year ago
Oh, please, spare me that jackassery. Just because the Dems won't challenge him on "honor" doesn't mean he shouldn't be challenged on it. He's acted with no honor this cycle. None. The whole "maverick" meme was more hyperbole than anyhting else, but no one can deny that he conducted himself with much more dignity during the 2000 campaign than now. Not to get all Rude Pundit-y, but John-Boy's now like a frustrated starlet willing to get bent over and rear-rammed for a plum screen role she knows, deep down in her heart, she's probably never goign to get, and if she DOEs get it it's certainly not based on merit, but OH HOW GREAT IT WOULD BE FOR HER IF SHE DID!
He's now less than worthless as a human being. Whatever honor he had he sold out to stand behind Palin's ass for the next two months as she delivers the speeches he so badly wants to make, gets the applause from dumb people he thinks should be his, and knows in hsi heart, that while his name's on the ballot, she's got the heat. And if they do manage to pull off a win, he's nothing more than a seat-warmer for the Oval Office, as Rove and his minions metaphorically stand behind columns and try to scare the poor SOB into a heart attack so the candidate that TRULY reflects their "values" can ascend to the throne. Suicide is the most honorable thing that waste of space can do, throw the party in disarray as they basically have to co-opt Palin into the drivers seat when she's REALLY not ready, because that's who they want, as opposed to Huckabee or Romney or someone who ACTUALLY ran for president.
Honor shmonor, as long as people pay attention to him...
ZennButtKicker (tlhwraith)
· 1 year ago
Why bother challenging him? It's a zero sum gain and if anything more than likely will backfire in your face. Stop thinking that every wrong in the world needs to be addressed at once and look at the big picture. If Obama wants, he can spend the next 2 months pointing out every thing the GOP does, but come election day he's going to lose, big.
Has anyone here learned anything from the reaction to Palin in this country? In the progressive blog world she is laughable, yet the polls and public opinion clearly show her as a shrewd and smart pick by McCain. The difference, the progressive world is concentrating on all the flaws, the rest of the country is concentrating on the icon. You don't take down icons by nit-picking them to death.
John McCain can call himself honorable all day if he wants, that's a battle for another time and place. What Obama and the Dems need to do is get on the offensive and sell their platform. As the old adage goes, "if you have to explain yourself you are losing". The Dems are spending waaaaayyyyy too much time reacting to the GOP, we need to be setting the discourse.
slappymagoo
· 1 year ago
Well f*** me for living. I was unaware that, by voicing an opinion on what I'd like/wish to see happen on a friggin' blog, it would become defacto the Democratic platform. I really have no expectation that anyone on either side is going to tell this emperor wannabe that his wang's hanging out. I'm merely pointing out that it'd be great if they did. And that he then did the only honorable thing by killing himself.
ZennButtKicker (tlhwraith)
· 1 year ago
What an odd an unusually emotional response, but you just proved my point very elegantly, emotion trumps logic every time.
Thank you.
slappymagoo
· 1 year ago
Hell, I'm being emotional & logical. McCain has not acted in this campaign with honor, show me where he has.
You're allowed to be a Dem AND have fire in your belly, you know. A point I wish someone with Obama's ear might press upon him, otherwise we're gonna high-road ourselves into calling Palin Madame President when McCain gets elected and dies shortly thereafter
EDIT: WHILE I'D DEARLY LOVE TO BE SNARKY AND ASK "WELL? I'M WAITING..." I KNOW THAT TLHWRAITH WOULD BE TOO CHICKEN S*** TO ANSWER THE QUESTION "WHEN HAS MCCAIN ACTED HONORABLY?"
WELL, THAT, AND THE OBVIOUS ANSWER IS "HE HASN'T."
ZennButtKicker (tlhwraith)
· 1 year ago
I'm not chickenshit, I have to actually do work from time to time. The world does not revolve around "slappymagoo".
To answer your question, I don't give a crap about if McCain has been honorable or not, my point is that its a non-issue. You can have fire in the belly or whatever you want to have all day, my point is is that all you do is feed your ego to continue to harp on dead horses like whether McCain is "honorable" or not.
The point, as I said before, is simple. Progressives in general harp and obsess on a lot of things that most of the population just doesn't give a crap about. So, Slappymagoo, the question isn't "show me when McCain has been honorable", the question is, "show me how the risk of reprucussions of proving McCain dishonorable is worth it to win the election".
Eyes on the prize, eyes on the prize. Either that or we continue to be righteous and correct, but doing it with no substantial vehicles (progressive candidates HOLDING high office) to actually affect change.
slappymagoo
· 1 year ago
What an odd and unusually emotional response, but YOU just proved YOUR point very elegantly, emotion trumps logic every time.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
he gets it... at least, when his medication kicks in... he gets it.
naschkatzehussein
· 1 year ago
I think the Rove/Bush crowd are in a double bind about McCain. They really don't want him to win because they want Jeb in 2012. On the other hand, they're worried about being prosecuted.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
Take a look at the video of Obama yesterday making the "lipstick on a pig" reference. ---
egad... lipstick on a pig?
okay, ALL the repugs... and quite a few straight Dems (not gonna speak for any Lesbian Dems out there) think she's a hottie.
I think that trying to convince ANYONE that Obama was referring to palin as a 'pig' falls flat.
now... mccain... let's count the ways?
homophobic pig? umm... yeah sexist pig? how many men that call their wives a c*nt are pro-women?
but the worst thing? the 'lipstick on a pig' metaphor isn't calling ANYTHING a PIG anyway!!! the idea of 'lipstick on a pig' is that you CAN'T MAKE SOMETHING BAD BE GOOD!!
so, either mccain is admitting palin is BAD. Or wordplay is WAY over his head... either way, IMHO, neither makes him good presidental material.
CDS2
· 1 year ago
Anyone that thinks Obama was calling Palin a pig is just plain dumb. The thinking people of the world are asking themselves about his judgement in using that phrase.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
huh?
thinking people don't use metaphors?
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
Yep, even Chris Cillizza at the Washington Post wrote that it was "hard -- if not impossible -- to believe that Obama intended to equate Palin and a pig." If not impossible? Why do these people give him even one ounce of credibility? No, it is impossible and everyone knows it.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Caught a few seconds of CNN's morning female, during intentionally limited viewing, twisting herself nearly off her expensive heels to avoid saying LIE, LIAR or LYING and, I imagine, by doing so thus attaining, not nirvana, but an artificial construct called "balance" by the unbalanced. Remember basic journo 101??? She could have used who, what, when, where, why, how to make a determined evidentiary finding as part of her interview prep...OK then...So it's those lazy production assistants, huh.
woodroad34
· 1 year ago
It's desperation. They have nothing else to fall back on except for manufactured "OMG -- did-you-hear-what-that-nasty-ol'-man-just said"-isms. Shallow, inept, wouldn't-want-to-have-a-drink-with-either of-them. If he's not old-man farting, she's harridan-fart-spewing.
ZennButtKicker (tlhwraith)
· 1 year ago
It's desperation that has given the WH several times. Same thing I heard in 04, that the GOP is out of ideas and the only thing they have left is smear. Reality check, this isn't their last resort, it's their best weapon. It is highly effective and the polls are proving it. As long as they keep this a tabloid, the best advantage the Dems have (actual answers to problems) is lost in the sauce.
woodroad34
· 1 year ago
Repugs or Repigs? She's a Repig and wears lipstick---waaay too much, if you ask me. Shouldn't some of those Log Cabin boyz get ahold of her and tell the barracuda to tone it down a notch? We can tell where her mouth is because she shoots it off so much.
naschkatzehussein
· 1 year ago
When are the Obama campaign and Democrats in general going to stop prefacing everything they say about McCain with a disclaimer "but he is an honorable man", "he is a war hero", he "has served his country well"? Someone wrote on another blog that Shakespeare used this very effectively in Julius Ceasar--"Brutus is an honorable man"--but come on, people in this country are not sophisticated enough to get the point. Duh, irony? What's that?
LeesiD
· 1 year ago
You are darn right!! I am so sick of hearing about John McCain. The man is a legend in his own mind!!!
Plisko
· 1 year ago
This would be my first rule if I were the head of the party. Expose John McCain publicly. Respect John McCain silently.
It's not friggin rocket science.
LeesiD
· 1 year ago
The "human shield" angle is a great angle the Obama campaign, if not the Democrats should be using and often. With the fickle media being as they are, it should attract attention for the nexrt news cycle.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
maybe Obama should change the metaphor from 'lipstick on a pig' to... Porsche wheels on an Edsel?
would mccain accuse Obama of calling palin an Edsel?
Mark217
· 1 year ago
McCain is Palin's strap-on. Or, vice-versa.
roberthenkel
· 1 year ago
What is McCain or Obama going to do about the collapsing economy?
woodroad34
· 1 year ago
Some war hero -- hiding behind a rouged-up pig's curly tail. *snort* *snort*. McCain's phoney sensitivities prove that if he were to become President (God Forbid), what other outrages would he discover to get us into another endless war. He's a dangerous old coot with nothing to live for and he's going to take us all down with him.
porchcow
· 1 year ago
This is exactly why McCain wanted all those town hall meetings. He couldn't draw a crowd on his own, and now he's got Palin doing it for him. No, he is not an honorable man. Not in the least. He's a prick, and always has been. The Republican party doesn't like him, the Democrats used to at least respect him, but not any more. He used to stand up to the Karl Rove style of politics that even smeared his own family, yet now he's not only embracing it, he's using the same people that did it. What kind of man would let that happen? Actually, that should be the ad that runs from now to the election. We show a quick montage of the news accounts of his family being smeared, and his taking George Bush to task for it during the 2000 debates. Then, cut to a VO saying "the same people who dragged McCain's own family through the mud in 2000 are now running his campaign. Obviously, doing what it takes to get elected means you can't always do what's right."
ikonoklast
· 1 year ago
I've long been puzzled by how so-called tough guy, military types get treated by society like they're such touchy, sensitive flowers who must be shielded from any criticism which might upset their delicate feelings.
McCain and Palin get to have it both ways. They're simultaneously tough, gun lovin' warriors and hunters who take no prisoners in their fight for God and country, and cruelly persecuted victims who should be elected out of pity. It makes no sense, but people are irrational, and McCain seems to made peace with resorting to whatever means justify his own ends.
ZennButtKicker (tlhwraith)
· 1 year ago
It makess perfect sense!
The problem is you, not McCain. By you I mean progressives. Human beings in large groups tend to be emotional, territorial, narcissistic, and kind of paranoid. The GOP/Rove learned this a long time ago, you don't need to appeal to logic, you need to appeal to emotion. The GOP has wrapped themselves in icons, have a playbook full of emotional buzzwords to use, and with a few notable exceptions tend to win big. Even now, consider the fact that the Dems are expected to do well this election cycle not because they've fundamentally produced better candidates, but because the GOP hasn't figured out how to re-invigorate their brand. Like it or not, by the current dynamics, the GOP, even in the minority, is dictating the agenda. Until the Dems learn a couple of hard lessons, this is the GOPs fight to lose.
The lessons the Dems/progressives need to learn is simple, logic and reason are great, but they get trumped by emotion almost every time. The Dems need to speak to the electorates hearts, not their brains.
ikonoklast
· 1 year ago
Great point. I totally agree. The heart does trump the head every time, especially here in America. Democrats can't expect to win the majority of votes if they keep trying to be over-cerebral in their approach to winning over the average voter who is anything but overly cerebral.
The problem with Democrats and Liberals isn't that they are "elitist" in the sense that they believe in high standards, it's that they're "elitist" in that that they're out of touch with the common voter.
bacalove
· 1 year ago
Interesting article on Joe Scarborough that has been kept quiet by the MSM!
Lest, we forget, there would have been no need for a Surge if Bush & Co. had not taken the U.S. into a Phony & Pretend War on Terrorism while the Real War on Terrorism in Afghanistan where Bin Ladin lived, was ignored! And if we do not Wise up this might happen in the future! http://www.youtube.com/v/PdJUCU1UH2w
In a cleverly pre-emptive strike, McCain is falsely accusing Obama of wanting to teach children sex education because they knew Newsweek will be soon coming out with an article on Sarah Palin! "Judge Warned Palin About Emotional Child Abuse
EmGD
· 1 year ago
Hiding behind skirts is what manly Republican men do.
No need for viagra when one has Caribou Barbie to hide behind. That boy hasn't has so much spring in his step since ... well, probably since dumping his first wife.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
John
I said the same thing about McCain hiding behind Palin. At each rally he is standing BEHIND and to the side of her. He has used her to deliver the lies and the sarcasm to the public THEN he takes the microphone.
I suppose if you are Sarah Palin you don't mind being used like this when the payoff is being VP. But what happens if McCain looses, is she going to see how she was used? Will she realize she was nothing more than a tool for Karl Rove? Will she still be received with a warm welcome back in Alaska?
With her lies being publicly exposed and MCain hiding behind her skirts her rise to fame may be brief.
demwilly
· 1 year ago
Obviously ,Obama's reference to lipstick on a pig utilizes a common colloquialism. I guess the McCain Campaign just believes that if they can get enough lipstick on a pig....IT CAN FLY TOO!
All Comments
Let's have some SUBSTANCE!
Enough of the side/freak show!!!!!!!!!!!!!
See the kind of shit that paper prints?
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/kevin...
Casualties are next to "0" in Iraq and we need to thank George Bush.
It goes on to say that this is no time for Obama.
Oh, Stephanie Tobbs Jones was replaced last night in a very non-public manner and it was Cuyahoga County that gave Bush the Election in '04.
We need to expose this newspaper for what it is!
more:
http://www.dailyevergreen.com/story/25965
I really feel like I am living in Bizzoaro world. For the first time in my adult life "I am really ashamed of my country" We are becoming the laughing stock of the world!
He's just using Palin to get what he wants.
He loves and loves a lass above her station
Yes yes the lass is much above his station
We know how THAT turned out, don't we Little Buttercup! Something about "baby farming"....mmmm...Bristol? Hockey boy?
Moose butter...ick!
(this woman has some pipes!!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKNniBwI428
practiced baby farming!
HMS Pinahead?
"Iolanthe"....
If that is the truth, then she really is a pig.
Cheerfully chained to W’s ideologies.
Totally tied to W’s failed leadership.
Willing AND proud Prisoner of W’s abysmal record.
McCain - Palin = 90% Bush 10% nothing else.
"I know it is hard to believe these days but Palin is not my opponent. Lest we forget, John McCain is actually the one at the top of the ticket. "
He needs to mock the fact that McCain pales in comparison when Palin is at his side. John's explosive temper is already simmering. Let's remind him of the humiliation he is already beginning to experience. (Beauty queen Cindy McCain is also none to pleased by being upstaged.)
In addition we need to begin mocking and dismantling the thanks but no thanks phrase that is now so deeply embedded with Palin's persona. We need Youtubes and political cartoons created where she is saying TBNT to John.
For example show the two of them in the White House. John asks her to attend some state funeral.
" TBNT John, I'm taking the Joint Chiefs out for a moose hunt today. "
Or:
" TBNT John, I'm waiting for a call from Putin to tell him what I have decided to do about Georgia."
The phrase has become her strength. We need to make it her downfall.
The same ignorant thuggery that secured the last 8 years of selfishness, theft and failure, the ignorant thuggery that nowadays pretends a Sgt. Schultz-like averted eye silence when Bush/Cheney are mentioned now sadly, pitifully promotes America's death through the bad offices of McPalin.
If any pig wears lipstick it's KKKarl...
What about security in the USA?
What about our financial institutions collapsing?
What about the fact that China OWNS us?
Enough about lipstick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
a man who uses a woman to hide behind is the LAST person on earth who could or should run a country.
McCain is running the script to perfection right now. He doesn't give a rats butt about the issues, because he knows they are all bad news for him. He's obviously going for the emotional vote, and he's doing it.
Obama does need to talk issues, but he darn sure better start getting his base all riled up to or he will be beaten at the ballot box. Obama needs to stop running away from his celebrity and embrace it full boar. More than that, show some emotion, start going on the offensive instead of mostly "responding", and start dictacting the course of discussion. Obama has convinced us he's smart enough for the job, now inspire us that he's strong enough.
Obama needs the center to win this election. The center normally leans a little to the right, as evidenced in the last few elections. Last week at the Republican Convention, the protestors scared these center voters into believing the left is a little too left.
I think this is the reason the election has tightened up.
If we aren't careful, we could cut our noses off despite our faces.
Has anyone else thought of this?
i think Obama is as on top of it as possible.
how many centrist women are going to vote for mccain/palin?
there were two reasons palin was added to the ticket... one, to pick up women disenfranchised by the loss of Hillary on the ticket (which, I think should REALLY piss off women because it assumes that they're stupid.)
and two, palin will bring in the religious right vote.
palin will vote for overturning Roe V Wade... and the religious right want that.
it comes down to this... how many centrists want the social conservative agenda?
We have to stop running against Palin and run against Bush-McCain. If we make this election about Sarah Palin then McCain gets another free ride from a woman.
McCain can only win if enough people believe his lies and he lies on everything.
He appears to put women and children first by picking Palin, but he doesn't on any policy issue. It's all linkable to fitness for office and it is anything BUT change.
McCain learned to lie at the foot of Bush's architect, Karl Rove.
McCain is using Palin? HA! It's mutual parasitism. The Rovers are using McCain - barely - to get someone who toes the line front and center. He's like an extension cord, sending a current between Rove's team and the base they prepresent, and Sarah Palin, the shadow presidential candidate.
Doesn't McCain get it? even if he's elected, he's not REALLY elected! He'll be a conduit like Cheney used Bush as a conduit. Only in this case, Rove will be using Palin, who will be using McCain, who will have a nice comfy chair in the Oval Office, and not much of anything else.
Man, to survive what McCain's survived, and still wind up having to die with no honor. I don't know how he does it. without putting a shotgun in his mouth. Oh, right, he has no honor, so it doesn't matter. My mistake
Yes, we all know McCain isn't actually a "hero" as much as he is one lucky SOB for surviving. Does knocking him down on that front give us any advantage, maybe, is the tactic frought with danger and could possible be seen as attacking a man who served his country, heck yes!
In short, progressives, stop with the nit-picky "ooh ooh ooh they lied/misled" on this thing, it doesn't work. We need to stop reacting to the GOPs silliness and be more pro-active about putting our own message out. Bottom line, we have the better platform to help fix this country, when you have the better product, why would you spend all your time trying to make the other guys product look bad?
So, we need to start talking to peoples hearts, not so much their brains. Realize that most Americans are not political junkies and they really do like their "symbols" like flags, vets, bibles, etc. PRogressives try too hard to change the electorates thought process instead of taking advantage of it.
As one of my co-workers said today, she like Obamas ideas, but she still isn't sure he's got the "cajones" (her words, not mine) to make the hard decisions and push through his vision. Obama needs to show he can lead, not just respond.
IMO it seems like we are playing into the GOPs hand by spending all this energy "playing in the weeds". We get all riled up about who Palin fired, or if McCain said this or that, and we miss the really big picture. The electorate responds to strength, not necessarily truth. Defend yourself, fine, but also throw some strong punches and speak to the heart of the voters. Obama needs to get his base (not the far left, the mushy middle people like me) to get their hearts into the fight.
Even as an avid Obama supporter, as I am, I just don't think he's selling himself well enough as a strong leader, a cerebral one yes, but strength and the belief that a leader will stick up for them is what will get people to the ballot boxes.
He's now less than worthless as a human being. Whatever honor he had he sold out to stand behind Palin's ass for the next two months as she delivers the speeches he so badly wants to make, gets the applause from dumb people he thinks should be his, and knows in hsi heart, that while his name's on the ballot, she's got the heat. And if they do manage to pull off a win, he's nothing more than a seat-warmer for the Oval Office, as Rove and his minions metaphorically stand behind columns and try to scare the poor SOB into a heart attack so the candidate that TRULY reflects their "values" can ascend to the throne. Suicide is the most honorable thing that waste of space can do, throw the party in disarray as they basically have to co-opt Palin into the drivers seat when she's REALLY not ready, because that's who they want, as opposed to Huckabee or Romney or someone who ACTUALLY ran for president.
Honor shmonor, as long as people pay attention to him...
Has anyone here learned anything from the reaction to Palin in this country? In the progressive blog world she is laughable, yet the polls and public opinion clearly show her as a shrewd and smart pick by McCain. The difference, the progressive world is concentrating on all the flaws, the rest of the country is concentrating on the icon. You don't take down icons by nit-picking them to death.
John McCain can call himself honorable all day if he wants, that's a battle for another time and place. What Obama and the Dems need to do is get on the offensive and sell their platform. As the old adage goes, "if you have to explain yourself you are losing". The Dems are spending waaaaayyyyy too much time reacting to the GOP, we need to be setting the discourse.
Thank you.
You're allowed to be a Dem AND have fire in your belly, you know. A point I wish someone with Obama's ear might press upon him, otherwise we're gonna high-road ourselves into calling Palin Madame President when McCain gets elected and dies shortly thereafter
EDIT: WHILE I'D DEARLY LOVE TO BE SNARKY AND ASK "WELL? I'M WAITING..." I KNOW THAT TLHWRAITH WOULD BE TOO CHICKEN S*** TO ANSWER THE QUESTION "WHEN HAS MCCAIN ACTED HONORABLY?"
WELL, THAT, AND THE OBVIOUS ANSWER IS "HE HASN'T."
To answer your question, I don't give a crap about if McCain has been honorable or not, my point is that its a non-issue. You can have fire in the belly or whatever you want to have all day, my point is is that all you do is feed your ego to continue to harp on dead horses like whether McCain is "honorable" or not.
The point, as I said before, is simple. Progressives in general harp and obsess on a lot of things that most of the population just doesn't give a crap about. So, Slappymagoo, the question isn't "show me when McCain has been honorable", the question is, "show me how the risk of reprucussions of proving McCain dishonorable is worth it to win the election".
Eyes on the prize, eyes on the prize. Either that or we continue to be righteous and correct, but doing it with no substantial vehicles (progressive candidates HOLDING high office) to actually affect change.
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egad... lipstick on a pig?
okay, ALL the repugs... and quite a few straight Dems (not gonna speak for any Lesbian Dems out there) think she's a hottie.
I think that trying to convince ANYONE that Obama was referring to palin as a 'pig' falls flat.
now... mccain... let's count the ways?
homophobic pig? umm... yeah
sexist pig? how many men that call their wives a c*nt are pro-women?
but the worst thing? the 'lipstick on a pig' metaphor isn't calling ANYTHING a PIG anyway!!! the idea of 'lipstick on a pig' is that you CAN'T MAKE SOMETHING BAD BE GOOD!!
so, either mccain is admitting palin is BAD. Or wordplay is WAY over his head... either way, IMHO, neither makes him good presidental material.
thinking people don't use metaphors?
Remember basic journo 101???
She could have used who, what, when, where, why, how to make a determined evidentiary finding as part of her interview prep...OK then...So it's those lazy production assistants, huh.
It's not friggin rocket science.
would mccain accuse Obama of calling palin an Edsel?
McCain and Palin get to have it both ways. They're simultaneously tough, gun lovin' warriors and hunters who take no prisoners in their fight for God and country, and cruelly persecuted victims who should be elected out of pity. It makes no sense, but people are irrational, and McCain seems to made peace with resorting to whatever means justify his own ends.
The problem is you, not McCain. By you I mean progressives. Human beings in large groups tend to be emotional, territorial, narcissistic, and kind of paranoid. The GOP/Rove learned this a long time ago, you don't need to appeal to logic, you need to appeal to emotion. The GOP has wrapped themselves in icons, have a playbook full of emotional buzzwords to use, and with a few notable exceptions tend to win big. Even now, consider the fact that the Dems are expected to do well this election cycle not because they've fundamentally produced better candidates, but because the GOP hasn't figured out how to re-invigorate their brand. Like it or not, by the current dynamics, the GOP, even in the minority, is dictating the agenda. Until the Dems learn a couple of hard lessons, this is the GOPs fight to lose.
The lessons the Dems/progressives need to learn is simple, logic and reason are great, but they get trumped by emotion almost every time. The Dems need to speak to the electorates hearts, not their brains.
The problem with Democrats and Liberals isn't that they are "elitist" in the sense that they believe in high standards, it's that they're "elitist" in that that they're out of touch with the common voter.
http://www.truthalliance.net/Archive/tabid/67/a...
Lest, we forget, there would have been no need for a Surge if Bush & Co. had not taken the U.S. into a Phony & Pretend War on Terrorism while the Real War on Terrorism in Afghanistan where Bin Ladin lived, was ignored! And if we do not Wise up this might happen in the future!
http://www.youtube.com/v/PdJUCU1UH2w
In a cleverly pre-emptive strike, McCain is falsely accusing Obama of wanting to teach children sex education because they knew Newsweek will be soon coming out with an article on Sarah Palin! "Judge Warned Palin About Emotional Child Abuse
http://thesebastards.blogspot.com/
I said the same thing about McCain hiding behind Palin. At each rally he is standing BEHIND and to the side of her. He has used her to deliver the lies and the sarcasm to the public THEN he takes the microphone.
I suppose if you are Sarah Palin you don't mind being used like this when the payoff is being VP. But what happens if McCain looses, is she going to see how she was used? Will she realize she was nothing more than a tool for Karl Rove? Will she still be received with a warm welcome back in Alaska?
With her lies being publicly exposed and MCain hiding behind her skirts her rise to fame may be brief.