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AMERICAblog: Josh is worried

  • ColoradoDem · 1 year ago
    I know that Obama has officially declared that 527's weren't going to have a role, but maybe it's time to say, so what? It's hard to sit back and watch these clowns control the (non)debate.
  • Django · 1 year ago
    There seems to be a lot of this going around today - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-mckay/were-g...

    And I thought it was just me...
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Rethugs aren't the only party with a chickenshit faction...
  • Webster · 1 year ago
    Let's see: the corporateM$M is in the Republicans' pocket--and the Obama campaign is afraid to go aggressive in their ads. I don't think I'll care much for the taste of that recipe.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Obama and Biden on the Sunday shows worried me...Obama was scheduled to sit with Stephie after tiring stumping and Biden seemed unready for Brokaw's pitiful pop line of questions.
    Keeping debate powder dry is one thing but allowing the network intimidation/gagging and the McCain/Palin fantasy storyline to proceed unchecked in quite another...
  • Nigel Elliott · 1 year ago
    I agree. They need to spend less time with these pundits who like McCain, and spend more time reaching out to voters. The airwaves are Obama's enemy. Why get interviewed by Bill-O? Why get interviewed by Stepho? Both of those babbling heads were openly for his rivals.
  • Nigel Elliott · 1 year ago
    State of the race: 9/8 (panic edition)
    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/8/0275...
  • Greensburg · 1 year ago
    And Joe Biden as the VP pick helps how again? I'm from Pennsylvania and no one cares that Biden is from Scranton, they see him as old Washington and just another flip flop on Obama's part. McCain is killing in this state, which is supposed to be a battle ground state, and I see and hear nothing new from the Obama camp. Hey Barak, I can't do this alone, you need to give me ammo to help you win and Joe Biden means nothing in this state so YOU gotta do it.
  • dad · 1 year ago
    my measure. my son is now using the word "too." as in "i'm not too worried."

    not that i am too worried about that.
  • lastDem · 1 year ago
    It was but a few months ago that some who had no great love of Hillary, thought that the media would turn on Obama and do to him what they had dome to Hillary. So here we are, great link from TPM, about MSNBC, that has been nutered.
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/214545.php
  • Nuffsaid · 1 year ago
    I also am worried. I just caught part of Sarah Palin giving a speach today. It is the same speach she has been giving since the convention, same jokes, same pause and same stupid smirk. She is deffinitly a one trick pony. But we all know how the Masses like their "Freak Show". Sarah Palin is deffinetly the flavor of the week. I think most people are more curious than interested.

    If Obama is going to win he has got to keep pushing "Are you happy about the last eigh years? Are you better off? Do your kids have a brighter future. McCain is the head of the Republican Party. No matter how you cut it. Where we are today is a product of the Republican policies.
    Let the "Change" thing go. What does change mean anyway? Keep hitting the conection with Bush. Ignore Palin. She is a light weight Right wing talking point. The only reason she is making any waves is because of people not knowing about her. Once they realize she is just another Repug Thug they will lose interest quickly.
  • Polly_Tics · 1 year ago
    That wasn't true about Bush/Cheney in either election. I would be so assured that people will see through that illusion.
  • shrrrr · 1 year ago
    Thing is, she's not just another repug thug. She's the 2.0 version and her rollout signals just what and where the repugs are will to go to win. They called her nomination 'a game changer' and they are right. We need new rules now.
  • Polly_Tics · 1 year ago
    I admit, I am worried at how the Obama campaign is conducting itself these days. Yes, yes, I know they want to conduct a campaign with new style politics, but how can you do so when your opponent is coming at you with old time politics that have proven to be effective?

    I am with Obama with all of my heart in this election and have even volunteered to help out locally, however it is the top of the ticket that will get us to election day as victors. Please Barack, give it your best shot and then keep going again and again.
  • scottinsf · 1 year ago
    Instead of worrying we should work on getting people registered to vote, focus on convincing the undecided folks we know, and open up our wallets a bit more.

    I spent the last weekend doing so. I don't plan on stopping for a few weeks.
  • brilliantatbreakfast · 1 year ago
    I'm worried too. Obama's camp is making the mistake of thinking you can win by being "nice." IT's time to stop talking about John McCain's "noble service" and paint him as the hack that he is. The Obama camp also doesn't realize that the MSM is 100% in the tank for McCain, and that Olbermann and Maddow are there only to cover the tracks. States are purging voter rolls, MSNBC has let the McCain campaign cut its nuts off, and that lunatic Christian Dominionist from Alaska is being painted as the New Reagan. And Obama and Biden are still out there praising McCain and thinking we have a free media.

    And I haven't even MENTIONED the voting machines.
  • vwcat · 1 year ago
    We are having a hard time with our candidate getting heard. They have been hitting back hard everyday but, they are being ignored in the media rush to embrace Palin due to fear of the gop push back
    I have not heard anything except once in awhile some blurb about the Obama camp and they have been coming out everyday.
  • sukabi1 · 1 year ago
    So when is the "rending of garments" phase going to be over so we can concentrate on DOING SOMETHING to counter the McCain / Media machine?
  • JMOHR · 1 year ago
    You still see a lot of comments on TPM concerning how this is just all nothing. You remind them of how past elections have ended and the similarity of poll trajectories and they want to argue that this is different, that we are ahead of where we were in the past elections at this point.

    Sorry, but this is all bunk. This is about whether the Democrat party (as condescendingly portrayed by the Repuglican party) has the balls to play a part in our country's governance. Frankly, it looks like we may not, We have a complacency problem. You know, we have all the better arguments, we are more intelligent, we have in depth policies and we are the good guys. Then we should have been winning elections because in each of those races we started out ahead, had the majority of the American people supporting our positions and we were rewarded with defeat.

    I agree. We have to understand that taking the high road does not mean setting aside sharp attacks on the opponent when factual, relevant and justified. We have to talk about the Palin lies and the major shifts in position by McCain. Saying how nice they are will not do it. We have to go on the offensive where necessary and we have not done so. We have to react with the speed of light and not permit these attacks to lie out there for several days.

    We have to change the game plan and change it now.
  • TampaZeke · 1 year ago
    As for the "messaging" and ad wars in battleground states, I have to say that I live in Florida (and it don't get much more battleground state than that) and I've seen very few Obama television ads although I've seen McCain ads out the ass.

    I hope to god that they (the O campaign) know what they're doing because it sure doesn't seem like they are the same campaign that was so effective in the primaries. I fear that they fell into the same old losing beltway trap once they won the primary.

    Something better change fast or we're gonna get f*cked again.

    As for our bounce, it's hard to compare it to the McCain bounce simply because their's came after ours. They stepped on our bounce with their VP announcement (a benefit of going last) and they stepped on it with their convention (another benefit of going last).

    I've asked this question before but no one has even attempted to answer it for me: how do the political parties go about choosing the date of their conventions? Does the party in power get to choose last? I just want to know why the Democrats keep having their conventions before the Republicans when they know that going last has so many inherent benefits.
  • nicho · 1 year ago
    The incumbent party traditionally goes after the opposing party.

    The Democrats chose to start after the Olympics, hoping the momentum would carry through to the election -- apparently rather than have the convention earlier, then be interrupted by the Olympics, then try to restart the momentum. In 2000, the GOP convention was first.

    In 2004, the GOP made theirs really late, so they could get maximum value out of exploiting 9-11 for political gain.
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    There are plenty of Obama ads here in Orlando. The McCain ads started showing up only as the GOP convention ended. The mobile home court crowd is very happy with Ms Palin but how that plays beyond the lot-rent set remains to be seen.
  • Nigel Elliott · 1 year ago
    TPM: A coalition of right-wing churches is pushing a test case to allow them to be tax exempt and endorse political candidates.
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/214551.php
  • lies · 1 year ago
    Boy, at times like this I am really glad I took the plunge and moved away from the US.

    I love it, I was born and raised there, but it's really really screwed up.

    People are so ridiculously short-sighted and selfish.

    They have mixed feelings about Obama because they KNOW something about him.

    By the time Palin is in office it'll be too late.

    My hope is that this will mean that congress and the senate will actually act and start locking up these fucks.

    I understand they aren't right now for political reasons, but if they lose they BETTER ACT.

    I pray (as much as an atheist can) that Obama wins, but Americans would elect a pile of shit if the media sold it to them.

    This is a disgrace, but like I've told my friends for years, America is TOOOO big to be governed in a meaningful way.
  • Nuffsaid · 1 year ago
    I'm hopeing the Democrats are a lot smarter than I am. But from what I see on TV Obama is just setting back and letting himself get "Swiftboated" right out of the election. Nice Guys finish last is not just a saying. It is what the Republicans base their elections on year after year. And even I am starting to believe it. If your beliefs are not worth using everything you have to fight for them then what good are they. It is time to take off the gloves and start throwing so punches. McCain/Palin are counting on the Democrats fighting nice. Time to teach them that some ideas are worth getting dirty for.
  • Nuffsaid · 1 year ago
    I'm hopeing the Democrats are a lot smarter than I am. But from what I see on TV Obama is just setting back and letting himself get "Swiftboated" right out of the election. Nice Guys finish last is not just a saying. It is what the Republicans base their elections on year after year. And even I am starting to believe it. If your beliefs are not worth using everything you have to fight for them then what good are they. It is time to take off the gloves and start throwing so punches. McCain/Palin are counting on the Democrats fighting nice. Time to teach them that some ideas are worth getting dirty for.
  • BarbaraGordon · 1 year ago
    I have been in Florida for the past 8 months. All that I see over and over again are McCain commercials. They aren't very good but the cumulative effect is a lot of McCain ads and very few Obama ones. Why isn't Obama hitting on the McCain=Bush line?
  • downindixie · 1 year ago
    Barack needs to show guts and really fight the pukes! Did you notice the other day when Biden gave a speech,he was really coming down on the opposition.He had the crowd fired up,they were really stired up.I bet when they left the meeting they felt really good and took that feeling home with them.Obama doesn't seem to be puting up a fight for himself and that translates into "If he won't fight for himself will he fight for us and this country?"
    Hillary needs to do the same.Democrats long for this feeling!
  • fostert · 1 year ago
    For what it's worth, Obama has a great ground game here in Colorado. In all my life (I'm 40), only three times has a presidential campaign ever sent a human being to my house. And those three times were all Obama's campaign. And I'm sure I'll see them again in the week before the election. The Republicans won in 2000 and 2004 be beating us in voter turnout. Palin will help McCain's turnout, but it will only bring them back to the turnout of the past. But Obama will turn out many more voters than Kerry or Gore did. Another thing to consider on turnout: Charlie Crist of Florida has reinstated the voting rights of convicted felons, most who whom weren't actually felons but happened to have brown skin. That puts Florida back in play.
  • graymatter · 1 year ago
    Worried? Anyone reading this who's worried about Obama's campaign needs to get up, stand up and VOLUNTEER!.

    Go to barackobama.com and sign up. Contact your local field office. The organizers WILL find you a task, from phonebanking to canvassing to data entry and so on. EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS A HELP. Even if you're totally busy and can only give two hours a week, that's two hours of help and two hours someone else has to get out there and make a difference.

    If you volunteer now, KNOCK ON ONE MORE DOOR. MAKE ONE MORE CALL, REGISTER ONE MORE VOTER. And if you can do ONE more, why not TWO? Or TEN?

    How committed are you to preventing that old fossil and his Caribou Barbie sidekick from running this nation further into the ground for their corporate and dominionist masters?

    Yeah? You're THAT committed? Prove it.

    Oh, yeah, and come to http://www.teamtudor.org and help Doug Tudor kick GOP red-headed stepchild Adam Putnam (R-Obviously) to the curb.

    We need you.

    And Barack needs Doug to help get OUR priorities going. Please help.

    Debbie Wasserman-Schultz says Doug shouldn't "pull that populist stuff" on her when he talks about being a regular guy and not a wealthy self-financer.

    Debbie's campaign manager Jason says the cost of doing business with the DCCC is $500,000 in the bank. Otherwise, they won't give us a DIME.

    Really? That's democracy? That's not turning red to blue; it's turning red to GREEN.

    Help us do it without them. Donate at http://www.teamtudor.org/contribute.asp

    Thanks!
  • Coming Undone · 1 year ago
    We have to be aggressive, we have to go after McCain and stop treating him as a maverick hero but treat him as the liar and cheat that he is and Dems have to stop praising his service and his honor all the time and calling him a hero. This is our last shot at Democracy.

    The MSM handed us Bush twice because they had his back and made him out to be a nice guy that everyone wanted to have a beer with, Gore and Kerry were the enemy because they were too smart.
    We have become a nation of idiots, because we are being told not to vote for the smart well informed guy but to vote for the two people that together , even if they cheated could not pass an economics 101 exam.
  • questionauthority · 1 year ago
    Two words for the Obama campaign (for which I was a precinct delegate at my county convention and also continue to volunteer):
    ATTACK & SUBSTANCE!!!!!

    ATTACK every lie, every gaffe, every distortion, ATTACK!!!
    and use
    SUBSTANCE!!!

    Talk about Phil Gramm's 'Financial Services Modernization Act' that deregulated the finance industry and gave us the mortgage meltdown!
    Talk about Phil Gramm's 'Commodity Futures Modernization Act' that allowed speculators to drive up oil & gas prices.
    Then talk about how Phil Gramm was/is McCains chief economic adviser, about how his two bills crashed America into a ditch; but he thinks Americans are just whiners.
    Talk about how McCains chief foreign policy adviser, Randy Scheunamann is a REGISTERED FOREIGN AGENT and engineering the conflict between Russia and Georgia.
    Talk about how change will be NOT doing what the last Administration did; torture, spying on Americans, suspension of Constitutional rights, illegal war, war for profit, politicizing the Judicial Department, exposing a covert American Agent- TREASON for God Sakes!

    ATTACK WITH SUBSTANCE!

    OBAMA OH-EIGHT, OR ELSE!!!
  • DickJones · 1 year ago
    The country has never elected a Liberal as president and will not elect Obama in 08. Obama never intended on winning this time around anyway. He is in the race to be seasoned. When he loses, he will go back to being a senator. He will have 4 years to actually accomplish something and he can run again. But Hillary will still be around in 2012 and she will be the favorite.

    Politics is funny.
  • Chip727 · 1 year ago
    I wasn't worried until I saw Obama on George Step. Sunday morning. When I had to explain his answers to my wife I knew he was in trouble.If we have to explain the answer- we lost

    The surge answer: Short sound bite

    Well, with 20/20 hindsight to get it only half-right, I wouldn’t call that good judgment.

    In the beginning when general Gen. Shinseki, called for significantly more troops Senator McCain was silent. In fact, he was in lockstep with George Bush. And that judgment was wrong. ONLY AFTER things were going terribly wrong did he start to call for more troops. After the fact. Even then he failed to put pressure on the Iraqis with a timeline, which is now being openly discussed.

    The republicans have limited the discussion to the last two years, from Sarah as governor to the surge. Obama needs to open the discussion from day 1 of the Bush administration, not the last 2 years.
  • nsr · 1 year ago
    One of the biggest disasters foisted on us by the Republicans in the last 8 years has been the systemic denial of the right to vote. The election in 2000 turned on the fact that tens of thousands of Americans had their ballots discarded. 2004 saw the works in Ohio being gummed up so bad, people were forced to wait in line literally for hours, trying to exercise a right that's not only guaranteed by the constitution, but critical to our form of government. Fraudulent voting by machine has become a fixture of election day. And now we're seeing state after state purging voters by the thousands:

    "Kansas, Michigan and Louisiana are purging their voter lists.
    Colorado dumped ONE FIFTH of all voter registrations -- the largest in history.
    Florida is refusing to accept 85,000 new registrants -- overwhelmingly blacks.
    New Mexico: purged half of the democrats in Mora county (Hispanics) and 600.000 mailers were returned
    Ohio & Nevada are scrubbing tens of 1000s of voters who lost their homes to foreclosures
    (Kerry lost by a mere 10-votes per district in Ohio)


    The voting rights fight isn't over. If Obama doesn't make this an issue, he's toast. Period.
  • jimfromthefoothills · 1 year ago
    yes
  • lovepeaceandallthat · 1 year ago
    Could you or someone add some links to these statements? Those are big claims and I haven't heard about it on what little left media we have.

    Thanks! :-)
  • lovepeaceandallthat · 1 year ago
    me again... oh, duh, I now see the link. will check it out.

    And what exactly should the Obama campaign do about this? I agree that it is one of the main strategies of the Republicans, has been throughout history. But by "address" what do you mean? If Obama himself speaks up he will be portrayed as a whiner, no matter how solid the facts. It's the damn media that needs to speak up, but will not, never ever. Tragic. Makes me so angry... it is unspeakable what these goddamn cheaters and liars do.
  • TomJoad · 1 year ago
    From what I've read somewhere recently....STOP SWEATING THE POLLS...

    A (I think it was AP) political analyst said "we gotta stop pretending a poll is the same as votes. Obama is ahead in all necessary swing states. He is also threatening the normally solid GOP states."

    Just saying, lets stop pretending it is simple Majority rules, it isn't.
  • TomJoad · 1 year ago
    Doesn't mean don't keep fighting as hard though...just meant, don't let them SCARE us with this bull.
  • graymatter · 1 year ago
    Be scared. Act like the devil himself is chasing us into Hell. (not that I believe in either, but you get the point) Work harder. Do more.
  • hailtothethief · 1 year ago
    I really think that part of their strategy might be to not attack too much until the debates. Sarah Palin will clearly get owned in the debates if there is a decent moderator and decent questions. Joe Biden was being way too nice the other day on CNN when talking about Palin's speech. If they attack now, the Repubs. will have talking points and responses prepared for every interview and debate. This sounds kind of insane, but it's difficult when the GOP has control over the media.
  • stingray1965 · 1 year ago
    It's funny...I always hoped that we Democrats were a stronger-hearted lot. I have never seen so much handwringing in all my life. We got our shot during the DNC and went up a few points...they got their shot and now they are up a few points. We have four debates ahead of us...these two men have yet to be seen on the same stage debating the issues. It's time for my brother and sister Dems to quit whining and get to work.
  • stingray1965 · 1 year ago
    It's funny...I always hoped that we Democrats were a stronger-hearted lot. I have never seen so much handwringing in all my life. We got our shot during the DNC and went up a few points...they got their shot and now they are up a few points. We have four debates ahead of us...these two men have yet to be seen on the same stage debating the issues. It's time for my brother and sister Dems to quit whining and get to work.
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    There's good reason to be worried. Precedent over the past few elections has come down entirely on the side of passive reaction followed by psychological defeat. That style has already bubbled to the surface, the Obama campaign hasn't yet rejected it. What's the hold up?
  • Hawk · 1 year ago
    The worry is understandable, the reasoning is wrong. It's not the Campaign, it;s that two things have not been righted, can you guess what they are?

    Voting and Media

    Voting and Media

    Voting and Media

    Media is failing us and Democrats are going to be surprised by this!!
  • justndav · 1 year ago
    ABC also just showed a poll where Obama was up with white women by 8 points, now post Crook-white convention McCain is ahead with that demographic 51-40. That is a disturbing trend considering women make up the majority of the electorate. This election is slowly slipping away from Obama-Biden.
  • frwlbrng · 1 year ago
    This is so typical of Democrats.

    I am a former Republican, voted for Bush in 2000. I'm also a gay man who was once a born-again Christian, raised in the same Pentecostal Assembly of God that Sarah Palin has been a member of for decades. I understand these people. The problem is...you guys just don't. You have no clue.

    I have since become a Democrat, obviously feeling that the party had left me when it turned severely to the right during the 90s and then tried to impeach Clinton. The Iraq war was the last straw for me. I voted for Hillary Clinton in the Illinois primary.

    I am watching the Democrats do the same thing they've always done. You don't know how to fight. You guys put way too much stock in Obama. You will get what you deserve. The problem is, I'm a gay man, and these Republicans scare me as they should scare everyone. You guys just don't understand how to fight them on their turf. You never-been-a-conservative, never-been-a-born-again liberals just don't have a clue how to win against these folks. But you put all your eggs in one basket.

    You guys deserve this. You're going to lose. I'll vote for Obama, but shaking my head saying "don't blame me...I voted for Hillary."

    Now get out there and fight. Fight them hard. Fight them with words and tactics they are familiar with. Know the language of the right. Know their religious beliefs. Know how to attack them on their own turf, with their own words. Learn how to do this, like Hillary and Bill did. The only Democrats who actually won anything recently.

    Get a clue people! I'm laughing/crying right now, watching just what spineless, inept folks you guys are. You're going to screw us again.
  • HowieKurtznot · 1 year ago
    Get a grip, people.

    National polls don't mean much, because we don't have national elections. We have state-by-state elections, and the state-by-state polls are looking quite good for Obama. It's still a fight, but Obama is considerably ahead.

    Read Kos:
    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/8/0275...
  • Reasonable · 1 year ago
    Don't panic, mobilize!! Get out there and help register voters! Talk to your neighbors, put up signs, stuff envelopes, whatever you can do!