AMERICAblog: Just exactly how has the U.S. presence in Iraq made us safer?
grandma
· 1 year ago
Made us safer??...no WMD....Bin Laden still not caught...Iraq a breeding ground for Al Queda...
No wonder Petreaus couldn't answer the question.
ShirleyGoodnessanMercy
· 1 year ago
My brother in law is serving in Baghdad now and he calls my sister every day. Every day, throughout the entire phone conversation she hears bombs going off in the background CONSTANTLY. Yeah, Baghdad is as safe as can be.
And I assume we're safe here because we haven't wasted any of those billions of dollars on infrastructure work here so if they invade us here, probably our bridges will collapse on them and their whole attack will be foiled. Great planning Bushies.
Petraeus: "No, Senator, the surge is not working. But, on the other hand, I got a promotion so it all sort of evens out."
lynchie
· 1 year ago
But Joe, we are fighting them there so we don't have to fight them here. Patrick Henry was just here with a two bit security guard so it can't be that bad. Course the 4011 dead men and women from our Military may disagree.
Tom3
· 1 year ago
uh its 4012 the last time I saw. Probably higher by now since they are sheling the Green Zone daily.
Webster
· 1 year ago
Antiwar.com has the total deaths at 4013, as of today
Hillary (D-amnPoorLiar)NY
· 1 year ago
My Surge will be a tri-pronged attack on Islam and all that is unholy. I shall call it...Triangulation.
I will surge into Iran. I will surge into Syria. I will continue to surge into Iraq.
Take notice of this Pakistan and North Korea because you fuckers don't know CRAZY like I know CRAZYYYYYY!!!! AAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!
ObamaMiracle
· 1 year ago
Billary's war only gets worse every day. She voted for it before she claimed to vote against it, and she has ratified Bush every time he wanted to pour millions more into it. The Democrat Party needs to reject the Clintonista politics of division and personal destruction once and for all. Obama has pledged to work with reasonable Republicans and unify the parties while Clinton only sews seeds of hatred and garners the highest negatives of any politician in history. The legacy of the blue dress, the Bosnia lies, a failed plan of socialized medicine, and racist negative ads is all Shillary has to show for her failed campaigning. When is she going to give up?
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Tom3 uh its 4012 the last time I saw. Probably higher by now since they are sheling the Green Zone daily.
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Boehner says that's a "small price to pay."
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
Safer? With this goddamned economy, bleeding of jobs, piss-poor inspections of food and other imports medicine that kills ya, global warming, rising crime, crappy education, ever-rising health costs, crumbling infrastructure, not to mention a criminal regime in DC...naw, I don't feel safer at all.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Hillary (D-amnPoorLiar)NY
Take notice of this Pakistan and North Korea because you fuckers don't know CRAZY like I know CRAZYYYYYY!!!! AAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!
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Allah's Vengeance is nothing compared to Brutal Rage that comes from being Bubba's wife.
Jim Olson
· 1 year ago
Ooh ooh ooh (waving hand frantically) I know this one. IT DOESN'T MAKE US SAFER.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
The sole effect of the invasion and occupation of Iraq, including the surge in troop strength, has been to mobilize anti American sentiment and kill people.
Here is a great article on Post surge Iraq. It is lengthy but there are some tremendous points made. This group was formed in the Naval Academy and if you dig through the archives it contains some very insightful reading material.
"The security problem in Iraq at this time is the weakness of Iraq’s military and security forces. Niceties aside, there is no true commitment on the part of the United States, or anyone else, to make Iraq a strong country. Iraqi forces are still untrained, poorly equipped and confused. This lack of commitment should not surprise anyone, because Iraq is still a suspect, just like it was in Saddam’s days. A strong military, which is what it takes to accomplish true security, is not on the immediate agenda."
The article should be mandatory reading for all our talking heads. The answer to the future of Iraq is bleak. The British tried it in the 20's and failed and the Iraqi civilians are caught between groups determined to committ genocide on each other.
grandma
· 1 year ago
Joe Biden:
. "I believe the president has no strategy for success in Iraq......His plan is to muddle through, and hand the problem off to his successor."
IRANIAN forces were involved in the recent battle for Basra, General David Petraeus, the US commander in Iraq, is expected to tell Congress this week.
Military and intelligence sources believe Iranians were operating at a tactical command level with the Shi’ite militias fighting Iraqi security forces; some were directing operations on the ground, they think.
THEY THINK?? Evidence assholes...not just THEY THINK.
YEAH. I REALLY ntrust Iranian brokered anything. Fool.
Indigo
· 1 year ago
We're not safer. We're not as safe as we were on 9/12. We're not even really at war. We're playing guns and butter again. We're in the midst of a nursery game played by immature adults posturing for power. Our neighbors gave that power to the children playing this game. Who to blame? Look across the street. Maybe not in your neighborhood but in mine, definitely. It's been a long time coming, there were plenty of voices on 9/12 to talk about the moral issues that were collapsing America on 9/10 and that pointed ouut that 9/11 was not unprovoked. Those voices are silent now. Frightened. The children are in charge of the nursery. It's going to take a whole lot more than the November election to change that. Can future President Obama actually trigger a cultural shift bigger than the paradigm shift chatter of the MBAs? He'll be challenged to do that. We know Hillary can't do it. We know McCain doesn't get it. Ralph could do it but people hate Ralph so that's not an actual option. Obama? I think he can. Yes. But it's going to take a while. I'll looking forward to the change. Yes, we can!
Tomm
· 1 year ago
Vacuously voluminous victims of verbage vibrate at the very veil they seek to view. Through!
Tomm
· 1 year ago
Tom3 -hurled up these tasty nuggets:
"We're not just dumber Nigel. We are fucked. Dumb fucked. I don't see a way for the human race to survive"
Tom3 cites himself as exhibit A
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
Tomm, YOU are the fool. The Neocons have always intended to attack Iran, they just need to come up with a reason to sell the American people. After the debacle in Iraq, Americans are finally waking up. Remember the NIE that said Iran was not constituting nuclear weapons? We had almost non stop warnings from this administration about the imminent threat and poof- our own intelligence agencies leaked the threat was as bogus as Saddam's WMD's. Ask yourself, why would Iran antagonize us? They know this administration has an itchy nuke finger aimed at them. Why would they do that? They wouldn't and they haven't. Just like the run up to Iraq, all the threats were manufactured. they are doing it again. You are a complete moron if you continue to buy this crap Bushco is selling.
Tomm
· 1 year ago
Come on Iran Oh I swear That Iran At this moment i'll bomb e-ver-y-thing
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
SarainKC
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You're wasting your time.
The guy can't even spell his name right.
Obviously a Fox News Zombie.
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
Bush bites, actually Tomm also goes by 4 other names on this site. Check out his postings, he is a planted troll. How can we ban him?
Tomm
· 1 year ago
SarainKC barfed up these smelly nuggets:
"How can we ban him?"
Ahhhhh the Liberal Party is the place for you girl!
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
Tomm (Jason, Bill, Double Trouble, Hillary (DamnPoorLiar)NY), must suck having to work on a Saturday night. How much does GOP Troll Central pay these days? LOL
SINGING_TROLL
· 1 year ago
"Come on Iran Oh I swear That Iran At this moment i'll bomb e-ver-y-thing" --Tomm
Don't quit yer day job.
LiberalTexasDemocrat
· 1 year ago
Safe is the paradise of cowards and the promise of tyrants
Rab
· 1 year ago
Real safe at 12 billion dollars a month and counting.......
Andrew
· 1 year ago
Just exactly how has the U.S. presence in Iraq made us safer? The answer would depend on who you asked. If you asked that question of the man on the street he'd probably say it had little to do with his personal safety. But if you were to ask that same question to a government official or a corporate captain, they would probably say it were more a question of national secuirty in the form of continued oil production so as to keep industry and transportation running. You have to wonder if Greenspan in a rare moment of coherence really ment what he said this past summer stating that iraq was always about the oil. Sad if true for a country that always prided itself on innovation and invention and yet with all of our vast brain power we still for what ever reason haven't been able to find alternatives to fossil fuels. Imagine in the 21st century there still seems to be the need to exterminate our fellow man because we require something that to this day is choking off the air we breath, polluting the water we drink and even poisoning the foods we eat and yet we contiune to take human lives on the other side of the world because we're not smart enough to come up with something better. That's about as pathetic human kind can be.
constantcomment
· 1 year ago
and the answer i: it hasn't.... bushdick, what a fuckwad. so many legacies and so few moments of pride.
TomJoad
· 1 year ago
Andrew...read Charley Reeses comments on this from yesterday at antiwar.com. I believe as he does, that "continued oil production" is a red herring. Any country with oil, wants to sell that oil. They sell it to any country that has the money usually.
What the so called "leaders" (and this includes Clinton, and really decades worth of presidents both Dem and GOP) have decided without the input of the supposedly free people of the USA, is that we are going to be an empire. Empires invite blowback, of the kind we experienced already and certainly will again. Empire subjugates other countries. Our empire is harder to see, because while we do have soldiers all over the world, we aren't "lording" it as openly as before. But it is empire all the same. Our heavy handedness (read the manifestos of the PNAC, as someone posted in an earlier thread, they are very OPEN about this, and the list on that is very heavily weighted to current and past Bushies, as well as Kristol and some other propagandaists) and at this point matters not if it is good-intentioned or James Bond SMERSH-like, but we are throwing our weight around, and that is what this whole fiasco is.
They worship at the temple of military power....believiing it to be absolute. They don't GET yet that power from the end of a gun, power from coercion, that uses threat as main motivator is very limited. They get amazed that with all the power (we spend more on "defense" than all other nations combined) we have, we are getting to the end of our rope, and we can't even control a little country like Iraq.
But these bozos want to then take on Iran. They aren't doing much about North Korea, or Mugabe, etc. etc. but I am almost glad about that, because my eyes have been opened too to the limits of power, and the unforseen results of "good intentions".
I don't even honestly think the Bush administration had good intentions, I think they are pretty mean, petty, incomplete human beings that managed to get in power. I think they think they are hot shit, and superior in every way, and we the people are just a pain in the ass. Cheney has even stopped pretending it is anything else "so?". Bush too, believes we are all dumb-asses, but the future historians will prove him right. That kind of thinking belongs in an insane asylum. "I tell ya doc, the whole world is wrong, but me and uncle dick are RIGHT, and WE WILL BE PROVEN RIGHT!!" (who's that remind you of?)
So, all this talk, as if we had leaders that were rational, good at planning, humane, good intentioned...it's all useless when dealing with lizard-brained, evil, power mad fucks like these. We got the Sopranos on a BAD day running our country, and without the humor.
TomJoad
· 1 year ago
Why is my recent post (22 minutes ago) sandwiched in between posts 10 hours old, etc.?
Ah...I see, now in the options, I had it by hottest posts...changed it to most recent = top and it is normal again.
jr
· 1 year ago
"I'll do anything to hang out in the neocon tree house"-David Betray Us
Rush to War
· 1 year ago
Whenever there is talk about the money spent on Iraq, they always say that so many billios have gone to reconstruction. Yeah right, never seen one pitcher of anything ever built. Our leadership is only concerned about lining thier own pockets, Lincoln would be appauled.
All Comments
No wonder Petreaus couldn't answer the question.
And I assume we're safe here because we haven't wasted any of those billions of dollars on infrastructure work here so if they invade us here, probably our bridges will collapse on them and their whole attack will be foiled. Great planning Bushies.
in this week's Democratic radio address
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/05/joe-bi...
I will surge into Iran. I will surge into Syria. I will continue to surge into Iraq.
Take notice of this Pakistan and North Korea because you fuckers don't know CRAZY like I know CRAZYYYYYY!!!!
AAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!
uh its 4012 the last time I saw. Probably higher by now since they are sheling the Green Zone daily.
------
Boehner says that's a "small price to pay."
Take notice of this Pakistan and North Korea because you fuckers don't know CRAZY like I know CRAZYYYYYY!!!!
AAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!
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Allah's Vengeance is nothing compared to Brutal Rage that comes from being Bubba's wife.
Looks like a good movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjxXX70_R0A
(The "Supersize Me" guy goes looking for Bin Laden.)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=...
http://www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/si/2007/Dec/kadhimD...
From the article:
"The security problem in Iraq at this time is the weakness of Iraq’s military and security forces. Niceties aside, there is no true commitment on the part of the United States, or anyone else, to make Iraq a strong country. Iraqi forces are still untrained, poorly equipped and confused. This lack of commitment should not surprise anyone, because Iraq is still a suspect, just like it was in Saddam’s days. A strong military, which is what it takes to accomplish true security, is not on the immediate agenda."
The article should be mandatory reading for all our talking heads. The answer to the future of Iraq is bleak. The British tried it in the 20's and failed and the Iraqi civilians are caught between groups determined to committ genocide on each other.
. "I believe the president has no strategy for success in Iraq......His plan is to muddle through, and hand the problem off to his successor."
We are fucked. Dumb fucked.
I don't see a way for the human race to survive
IRANIAN forces were involved in the recent battle for Basra, General David Petraeus, the US commander in Iraq, is expected to tell Congress this week.
Military and intelligence sources believe Iranians were operating at a tactical command level with the Shi’ite militias fighting Iraqi security forces; some were directing operations on the ground, they think.
THEY THINK?? Evidence assholes...not just THEY THINK.
http://www.lucasgray.com/video/peacetrain.html
Iran confirms role in brokering cease fire in Iraq
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/05/iran-c...
I REALLY ntrust Iranian brokered anything. Fool.
The children are in charge of the nursery. It's going to take a whole lot more than the November election to change that. Can future President Obama actually trigger a cultural shift bigger than the paradigm shift chatter of the MBAs? He'll be challenged to do that. We know Hillary can't do it. We know McCain doesn't get it. Ralph could do it but people hate Ralph so that's not an actual option. Obama? I think he can. Yes. But it's going to take a while. I'll looking forward to the change. Yes, we can!
"We're not just dumber Nigel.
We are fucked. Dumb fucked.
I don't see a way for the human race to survive"
Tom3 cites himself as exhibit A
Oh I swear
That Iran
At this moment
i'll bomb e-ver-y-thing
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You're wasting your time.
The guy can't even spell his name right.
Obviously a Fox News Zombie.
"How can we ban him?"
Ahhhhh the Liberal Party is the place for you girl!
Oh I swear
That Iran
At this moment
i'll bomb e-ver-y-thing"
--Tomm
Don't quit yer day job.
Imagine in the 21st century there still seems to be the need to exterminate our fellow man because we require something that to this day is choking off the air we breath, polluting the water we drink and even poisoning the foods we eat and yet we contiune to take human lives on the other side of the world because we're not smart enough to come up with something better. That's about as pathetic human kind can be.
I believe as he does, that "continued oil production" is a red herring. Any country with oil, wants to sell that oil. They sell it to any country that has the money usually.
What the so called "leaders" (and this includes Clinton, and really decades worth of presidents both Dem and GOP) have decided without the input of the supposedly free people of the USA, is that we are going to be an empire. Empires invite blowback, of the kind we experienced already and certainly will again. Empire subjugates other countries. Our empire is harder to see, because while we do have soldiers all over the world, we aren't "lording" it as openly as before. But it is empire all the same. Our heavy handedness (read the manifestos of the PNAC, as someone posted in an earlier thread, they are very OPEN about this, and the list on that is very heavily weighted to current and past Bushies, as well as Kristol and some other propagandaists) and at this point matters not if it is good-intentioned or James Bond SMERSH-like, but we are throwing our weight around, and that is what this whole fiasco is.
They worship at the temple of military power....believiing it to be absolute. They don't GET yet that power from the end of a gun, power from coercion, that uses threat as main motivator is very limited. They get amazed that with all the power (we spend more on "defense" than all other nations combined) we have, we are getting to the end of our rope, and we can't even control a little country like Iraq.
But these bozos want to then take on Iran. They aren't doing much about North Korea, or Mugabe, etc. etc. but I am almost glad about that, because my eyes have been opened too to the limits of power, and the unforseen results of "good intentions".
I don't even honestly think the Bush administration had good intentions, I think they are pretty mean, petty, incomplete human beings that managed to get in power. I think they think they are hot shit, and superior in every way, and we the people are just a pain in the ass. Cheney has even stopped pretending it is anything else "so?".
Bush too, believes we are all dumb-asses, but the future historians will prove him right. That kind of thinking belongs in an insane asylum. "I tell ya doc, the whole world is wrong, but me and uncle dick are RIGHT, and WE WILL BE PROVEN RIGHT!!" (who's that remind you of?)
So, all this talk, as if we had leaders that were rational, good at planning, humane, good intentioned...it's all useless when dealing with lizard-brained, evil, power mad fucks like these.
We got the Sopranos on a BAD day running our country, and without the humor.
Ah...I see, now in the options, I had it by hottest posts...changed it to most recent = top and it is normal again.