AMERICAblog: LA Times/Bloomberg Poll: Clinton up 5 in PA; Obama up 13 in NC; Obama up 5 in IN
Nigel Elliott
· 1 year ago
I guess you could say Obama's comment was the bitter truth. Watching CNN now and Wolf Blitzer is shilling for Hillary while Lou Dobbs seems bitter as ever, but he says he's not bitter, one bit. LOL
jr
· 1 year ago
"I agree we need to ask Obama if he's a Marxist"-Hillary to Joe Lieberman
grandma
· 1 year ago
Nigel....Lou Dobbs is a nothing more than hot air....what a gas bag.
He belongs on Fox.
scooter in brooklyn
· 1 year ago
this is all just kabuki.
obama will be the nominee.
naschkatzehussein
· 1 year ago
That Indiana poll is surprising but great news. Knocking a few down at Bronko's must not have resonated with many Hoosiers. Last time I looked, Clinton was up by 9. Woo woo.
Do you agree with me that "Undecided Voters" need to just walk away and NOT VOTE?
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
Rachel Maddow just made an excellent suggestion for Obama...give a speech on class, just as he did on race. This would clear up the remarks that Clinton wants to exploit--and yes, working class people ARE bitter--I'm one, and live among working class people (including my own family members) who can't find work, can't get health care, can't afford gas, juggle their bills, can't afford clothes for their kids other than thrift stores--yeah, we're bitter because even the basics of life are becoming harder to come by. And while most of us at least got by, we could also afford the price of a movie ticket occasionally or take the kids somewhere. Not anymore. The "frills" are out for us, a thing of the past.
I don't agree with no voting.....but if ..IF...Hillary by some cold chance in hell ends up the nominee....I guess I will hold my nose and vote for her.....OR.....write-in Obama.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Anyone, but me, starting to feel a little Marxist lately? I mean what is so wrong with feeling bitter about the $5 million dollar per year gas bag newsreader club trying to tell us how to think? They have NO IDEA how we live, and how hard its becoming just to fill up our gas tanks and in the words of their messiah, George Dubya Bush, "Throw food on our family."
Its easy to feel a little Marxist when you have a seventeen year old convenience store clerk tell you how hard its going to be for her to go to college so she might somehow escape the desperation we are starting to see. Makes ya think, "Yes, you are busting your ass here working into the night so Jenna and "not-Jenna" Bush don't have to... Yea, it can make ya a little bit Marxist, alright.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
How about Rachel Maddow for President? I like her. She should run for office.
HereinDC
· 1 year ago
Question,,,cause I just saw a snipet on MSNBC...HARDBALL
One of the very very few times I've seen an interview of John McCain where you see the left side of his face.
1. Is Tweety that vain that he had to sit on the left side of the stage?
2. How come McCain gets the FDR wheelchair pass on seeing his injury? ( I know, seems harsh, but come on...get over it.)
ericgoldman
· 1 year ago
In all fairness, McCain had a cancerous tumor removed from his face so it is somewhat disfigured on one side. Not that I'm a McCain supporter, but I think political expediency (if not simple common decency ) suggests that we not mock someone for bearing the scars of surviving a life-threatening illness.
HereinDC
· 1 year ago
WOW, Rachel just keeps getting better and better. She even just sort of smacked down David Gregory. WOW!
Some Repig commentor was saying Jimmy Cartner is wrong to meet with Hamas....but then Rachel said Colin Powell said it was ok......
Damn, it really threw a loop for Gregory and the Repig guy. LOL
Go Rachel!!!
grandma
· 1 year ago
MSNBC should have given Tucker's time slot to Rachel Maddow !!
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
cowboy, actually, back in the day, whenever I talked with working class people and put out Marxist ideas like universal health care and free education (but didn't label them "socialist"), I was surprised at how many people actually loved them. They might have been propagandized to call it "welfare" but if offered in another way, they would gladly have taken it since they knew they'd never get out of the factories or even clerking in high rise office bldgs, never see their pay go anywhere but in the jobs they had been tracked into, but maybe their kids would.
Working class people may have dreams, but they're also some of the most pragmatic people there are, out of necessity And necessity is the mother of invention. It is what it is, you know.
It sure would make a lot of people less "bitter", eh?
stevetalbert
· 1 year ago
I think saying that 'Clinton is up 5' is misleading. She is actually down 15 if she is lower than a 20 point spread.
CloudsAhoy
· 1 year ago
So Hillary has dropped fifteen points in one week. Interesting.
“I don’t think people look at me as the establishment, do you?”(Chris) Matthews asked me. “Am I part of the winner’s circle in American life? I don’t think so.”
(cross your fingers) After the November Election and David Gregorys Election show is no longer needed.....
THAT would be the good time to give Rachel the 6 o'clock slot. .
Left of the Hill
· 1 year ago
I still have my doubts about some polls, but it definitely seems as though Clinton's lead in Pennsylvania is in the 5 -8 point range. Even though she's probably going to finish AT LEAST 10 points below the 20 point victory margin, does any one really think she's going to drop out of the race after the 22nd?
I have a feeling she'll stay in the race until after all the primaries are finished. Once that happens and more and more superdelegates begin to support Obama, that's probably when she'll finally begin to realize that it's over.
HereinDC
· 1 year ago
Even better...
Get rid of Joe S.
Rachel in the morning.... !!!MSNBC Or Sam Seder in the morning! MSNBC
grandma
· 1 year ago
Agree ! ! !
grandma
· 1 year ago
The bloviating white men of political television are obsessed with maintaining their blue-collar cred. But their obsession with keeping it real blinds them to their own wealth and leads them to mindlessly victimize Democrats.
But the default assumption for the press is that Republicans, no matter where they summer or who their fathers were or where they went to school, just relate to honest, hardworking folks. For Democrats, on the other hand, the assumption is just the opposite. Would any Democrat whose father was a president and whose grandfather was a senator, and who attended Andover, Yale, and Harvard, have been able to get away with George W. Bush?s down-home reg'lar fella routine without the likes of Matthews and Russert ridiculing them mercilessly for being not just an elitist but a phony to boot? Not in a million years.
Asking whether a Republican might be an elitist would run the risk of committing that most cardinal of sins, "class warfare." Chris Matthews, Tim Russert, or Bill O'Reilly can pretend that they prefer Schlitz to chardonnay, but they can't pretend they're not the people who benefit from the offerings on the GOP economic menu.
There is no liberal radio host or any tv host rooting for Clinton. Just so much negative that she has brought on herself.
That's why she is tanking.
she brought it on herself.
FunMe
· 1 year ago
"There is no liberal radio host or any tv host rooting for Clinton. Just so much negative that she has brought on herself.
good point!
Can anyone name ONE liberal radio or TV station rooting for Hillary?
grandma
· 1 year ago
I just had to turn off Dobbs show.....immediately...
He started out by saying...."Obama still refusing to apologize for his remarks to small town America....."
Who the hell does Dobbs think he is anyway.
grandma
· 1 year ago
Dobbs does NOT speak for small town America....
Andrew A. Gill
· 1 year ago
Looks like I owe some people an apology.
The polls seem pretty conclusive, and no one cares about Obama's God and guns comments.
I'm a pretty bad judge of politics outside of PA, so I thought I would be a good judge of PA politics.
Ah, well. Sorry, all.
Nigel Elliott
· 1 year ago
Andrew,
You don't owe any of us an apology, but I hope Obama gets your support. Obama needs all the help he can get to end this illegal war and put America back on track to greatness! :-)
Andrew A. Gill
· 1 year ago
He gets my support.
It may seem an odd thing to say, but that's why I was criticizing him.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
I knew Hillary should have gone down to Bloomington to do Beer Bongs on Frat Row.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
The new Obama ad decrying Hillary's negativity seems pretty effective to me.
They should Hillary starting to lay into Obama and the crowd sort of groaning with some people saying "no" or "Don't"
Really makes Hillary look bad.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Um...they SHOW Hillary starting to lay into Obama....
ramgrj
· 1 year ago
Hello ObamaBlog, Pa. QPac Clinton 50 Obama 44 Pa. ARG Clinton 57 Obama37 Pa. Rassmusen Clinton 50 Obama 41 Pa. SUSA Clinton 54 Obama 40 Pa. IAdv Clinton 48 Obama 38 Pa. StrVis Clinton 49 Obama 40 Indiana SUSA Clinton 55 Obama 39 Fla. Rasmussen Clinton beats McCain Obama loses by 15 Gallup Clinton and Obama BOTH beat McCain by 2 in GE Sincerely, Reality
whomod
· 1 year ago
Yesterdays word was 'bitter".
Todays word is "teflon".
FunMe
· 1 year ago
She needs 2 win the most states Oops, doesn't happen... but she won't leave
She'll have 2 win Texas or else she's out. Oops, doesn't happen... but she won't leave
She'll have to win by 20%+ or else she's out. Oops, doesn't happen... but she won't leave
When will this DINO ever leave the Democratic party and just go away?
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Are Dems getting bored with Clinton. She gave 5 minute speech, hardly long enough to say hello and good bye
I posted a rather grammatically challenged analysis on a MB I frequent and thought i'd share it here as I haven't seen this angle adressed (at least here) It's in response to a McCain supporter:
Originally Posted By: thedoctor I don't think the bitter comment is going to hurt Obama in the primaries as many snobby Democrats already hold the same concepts of middle America. It's the general election that that comment is going to come back and bite him in the ass.
Now this frankly doesn't make a lick of sense. So the very same working class PA voters that a couple of days ago were supposedly being looked down by Obama and the 'limousine liberals' have suddenly metamorphed into the very same "snobby Democrats" who were condescending to them??
And this happened how and why? Oh yeah, because Hillary's latest attack and the media frenzy over the weekend didn't end up hurting Obama much as everyone who was salivating over the prospect, expected. So because of this, suddenly these good gun totin', devout people get transformed into the same people who were talking shit about them???
It couldn't be because as the Obama ad said, people frankly are tired of this kind of politics? It couldn't possibly be because people want substantive answers, not a candidate saving hem from the guy who said they were "bitter". Yes, "vote for me and I'll make sure no one ever calls you bitter", regardless of whether your job gets sent overseas, at least you'll know someone isn't condescending to you.
I think just in the biggest flaps Obama has faced, the Muslim crap, the Wright crap and now the bitter crap, it's not so much about Obama being some super untouchable Teflon candidate as it is about the electorate frankly being tired of politics as usual. And Hilary, as her cheap ad clearly shows, has a machine devoted to nothing but the same politics as usual. They pride themselves on it. they think they're better candidates because of it. And if these past few weeks have shown anything, it's that a good political machine and the same type of negative campaigns have finally reached the critical point with people.
And along comes Obama. Nothing really spectacular about him. If you try, you can dig up something. But, he inspires people. He fills them with hope. He lets them dare to dream of something better than another cycle of the usual politics that frankly turn people off and make them tune out. And yes, his speeches are pretty. As MEM,who apparently is still pretty comfortable with the usual old type of politics and firmly believes in it's results, likes to insult backhandedly with faint praise. Just as MLK's speeches were "just words" as Hillary also condescendingly reminded us. It's obvious they don't believe in the power of hope and inspiration. They laugh and ridicule it and dismiss it. Even as millions of new voters, all overwhelmingly Democratic and most 1st time young voters who apparently are to also be condescended by MEM, take part in the electoral process and participatory Democracy for the first time ever and who actually are following politics and issues for the first time ever.
Because Obama inspired them to. Not Hillary's machine and big donors and ethnic groups all subdivided all tidy and neatly.It's millions of people turning the applecart on it's side and a candidate, perhaps naive but naive enough not to know that you can't fight the established way of doing things.
It's pure Capra. Obama as Jefferson Smith. Millions of Americans will root for him despite and even BECAUSE of the smear jobs he's faced with. He's already demonstrated this simple and obvious fact twice in recent weeks. I don't see how Hillary's slime and distraction is any less potent than right wing slime and distraction.
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He belongs on Fox.
obama will be the nominee.
Do you agree with me that "Undecided Voters" need to just walk away and NOT VOTE?
Senator Arlen Specter cancer has returned. :-(
http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0408/Spe...
older: rachel is one smart woman.
I don't agree with no voting.....but if ..IF...Hillary by some cold chance in hell ends up the nominee....I guess I will hold my nose and vote for her.....OR.....write-in Obama.
Its easy to feel a little Marxist when you have a seventeen year old convenience store clerk tell you how hard its going to be for her to go to college so she might somehow escape the desperation we are starting to see. Makes ya think, "Yes, you are busting your ass here working into the night so Jenna and "not-Jenna" Bush don't have to... Yea, it can make ya a little bit Marxist, alright.
One of the very very few times I've seen an interview of John McCain where you see the left side of his face.
1. Is Tweety that vain that he had to sit on the left side of the stage?
2. How come McCain gets the FDR wheelchair pass on seeing his injury? ( I know, seems harsh, but come on...get over it.)
Favorable Unfavorable
McCain 53 45
Clinton 43 54
Obama 49 49
CBS/NYT (3/28-4/2)
Favorable Unfavorable
McCain 35 29
Clinton 38 39
Obama 43 24
NBC/WSJ (3/28-31)
Positive Negative
McCain 45 25
Clinton 37 48
Obama 49 32
Who do you think is more "electable"? The candidate people like, or the candidate people don't like?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/15/144...
Damn, it really threw a loop for Gregory and the Repig guy. LOL
Go Rachel!!!
Working class people may have dreams, but they're also some of the most pragmatic people there are, out of necessity And necessity is the mother of invention. It is what it is, you know.
It sure would make a lot of people less "bitter", eh?
Interesting.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/15/182345/...
Annual salary: $5 million
http://atrios.blogspot.com/2008_04_13_archive.h...
After the November Election and David Gregorys Election show is no longer needed.....
THAT would be the good time to give Rachel the 6 o'clock slot.
.
I have a feeling she'll stay in the race until after all the primaries are finished. Once that happens and more and more superdelegates begin to support Obama, that's probably when she'll finally begin to realize that it's over.
Get rid of Joe S.
Rachel in the morning.... !!!MSNBC
Or Sam Seder in the morning! MSNBC
But the default assumption for the press is that Republicans, no matter where they summer or who their fathers were or where they went to school, just relate to honest, hardworking folks. For Democrats, on the other hand, the assumption is just the opposite. Would any Democrat whose father was a president and whose grandfather was a senator, and who attended Andover, Yale, and Harvard, have been able to get away with George W. Bush?s down-home reg'lar fella routine without the likes of Matthews and Russert ridiculing them mercilessly for being not just an elitist but a phony to boot? Not in a million years.
Asking whether a Republican might be an elitist would run the risk of committing that most cardinal of sins, "class warfare." Chris Matthews, Tim Russert, or Bill O'Reilly can pretend that they prefer Schlitz to chardonnay, but they can't pretend they're not the people who benefit from the offerings on the GOP economic menu.
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=how...
Just so much negative that she has brought on herself.
That's why she is tanking.
she brought it on herself.
Just so much negative that she has brought on herself.
good point!
Can anyone name ONE liberal radio or TV station rooting for Hillary?
He started out by saying...."Obama still refusing to apologize for his remarks to small town America....."
Who the hell does Dobbs think he is anyway.
The polls seem pretty conclusive, and no one cares about Obama's God and guns comments.
I'm a pretty bad judge of politics outside of PA, so I thought I would be a good judge of PA politics.
Ah, well. Sorry, all.
You don't owe any of us an apology, but I hope Obama gets your support. Obama needs all the help he can get to end this illegal war and put America back on track to greatness! :-)
It may seem an odd thing to say, but that's why I was criticizing him.
They should Hillary starting to lay into Obama and the crowd sort of groaning with some people saying "no" or "Don't"
Really makes Hillary look bad.
Pa. QPac Clinton 50 Obama 44
Pa. ARG Clinton 57 Obama37
Pa. Rassmusen Clinton 50 Obama 41
Pa. SUSA Clinton 54 Obama 40
Pa. IAdv Clinton 48 Obama 38
Pa. StrVis Clinton 49 Obama 40
Indiana SUSA Clinton 55 Obama 39
Fla. Rasmussen Clinton beats McCain Obama loses by 15
Gallup Clinton and Obama BOTH beat McCain by 2 in GE
Sincerely,
Reality
Todays word is "teflon".
Oops, doesn't happen... but she won't leave
She'll have 2 win Texas or else she's out.
Oops, doesn't happen... but she won't leave
She'll have to win by 20%+ or else she's out.
Oops, doesn't happen... but she won't leave
When will this DINO ever leave the Democratic party and just go away?
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/04/14/politic...
Originally Posted By: thedoctor
I don't think the bitter comment is going to hurt Obama in the primaries as many snobby Democrats already hold the same concepts of middle America. It's the general election that that comment is going to come back and bite him in the ass.
Now this frankly doesn't make a lick of sense. So the very same working class PA voters that a couple of days ago were supposedly being looked down by Obama and the 'limousine liberals' have suddenly metamorphed into the very same "snobby Democrats" who were condescending to them??
And this happened how and why? Oh yeah, because Hillary's latest attack and the media frenzy over the weekend didn't end up hurting Obama much as everyone who was salivating over the prospect, expected. So because of this, suddenly these good gun totin', devout people get transformed into the same people who were talking shit about them???
It couldn't be because as the Obama ad said, people frankly are tired of this kind of politics? It couldn't possibly be because people want substantive answers, not a candidate saving hem from the guy who said they were "bitter". Yes, "vote for me and I'll make sure no one ever calls you bitter", regardless of whether your job gets sent overseas, at least you'll know someone isn't condescending to you.
I think just in the biggest flaps Obama has faced, the Muslim crap, the Wright crap and now the bitter crap, it's not so much about Obama being some super untouchable Teflon candidate as it is about the electorate frankly being tired of politics as usual. And Hilary, as her cheap ad clearly shows, has a machine devoted to nothing but the same politics as usual. They pride themselves on it. they think they're better candidates because of it. And if these past few weeks have shown anything, it's that a good political machine and the same type of negative campaigns have finally reached the critical point with people.
And along comes Obama. Nothing really spectacular about him. If you try, you can dig up something. But, he inspires people. He fills them with hope. He lets them dare to dream of something better than another cycle of the usual politics that frankly turn people off and make them tune out. And yes, his speeches are pretty. As MEM,who apparently is still pretty comfortable with the usual old type of politics and firmly believes in it's results, likes to insult backhandedly with faint praise. Just as MLK's speeches were "just words" as Hillary also condescendingly reminded us. It's obvious they don't believe in the power of hope and inspiration. They laugh and ridicule it and dismiss it. Even as millions of new voters, all overwhelmingly Democratic and most 1st time young voters who apparently are to also be condescended by MEM, take part in the electoral process and participatory Democracy for the first time ever and who actually are following politics and issues for the first time ever.
Because Obama inspired them to. Not Hillary's machine and big donors and ethnic groups all subdivided all tidy and neatly.It's millions of people turning the applecart on it's side and a candidate, perhaps naive but naive enough not to know that you can't fight the established way of doing things.
It's pure Capra. Obama as Jefferson Smith. Millions of Americans will root for him despite and even BECAUSE of the smear jobs he's faced with. He's already demonstrated this simple and obvious fact twice in recent weeks. I don't see how Hillary's slime and distraction is any less potent than right wing slime and distraction.