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AMERICAblog: Lindsey Graham tries again to ruin unit morale and cohesion in Aghanistan

  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    Senator Graham learned how to act straight by watching 'Will & Grace.'
  • Mike_in_the_Tundra · 1 year ago
    Too bad he watched Karen Walker.
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    Har! good one, Mike!
  • jixter · 1 year ago
    Thank you, John. This post is one of the reasons why I love you.
  • Lolis · 1 year ago
    I definitely think he is gay. Too bad he can't admit it and love himself.
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    Rock Hudson comes to mind as a gay man I could never tell was gay.
    and, he was gorgeous...

    would have to say, Lindsey is no Rock Hudson... except for being closeted.
  • lark83 · 1 year ago
    I couldn't agree more. Something is very strange about this Republican senator.

    During my military career I knew several gay officers - male and female. It was riduculous that they had to stay deep in the closet. One lesbian officer I knew took up with a pretend boyfriend when she thought people might be suspecting. Staying deep in the closet, always afraid of an OSI investigation, put a lot of stress on those officers. Sometimes they kissed up to bad bosses because they were more afraid than others to do the right thing. Gay officers can't afford to have enemies.

    I look forward to the day when the military finally grows up concerning this issue. I think it will be real soon.
  • ShirleyGoodnessanMercy · 1 year ago
    My cousin, who was gay in the Navy, committed suicide because the stress of trying to pretend to be straight was too much to bear. God only knows how many such suicides have taken place that there is no record of.
  • An_American_Karol · 1 year ago
    Did Sen. (naughty boy) Craig ever go overseas to visit our troops?
    By the way, I just heard on CNN someone threw a shoe at Bush in Iraq - the man was dragged out of the room and could be heard screaming in the hallway as Bush mentioned the size shoe thrown at him. Torture...you betcha.
  • MNUSA · 1 year ago
    According to my Vietnam Vet husband, there have always been gay people in the military. Even Minnesota's former macho governor and NAVY SEAL, Jessie Ventura, doesn't get the big deal about serving with gay people. Is it possible that those so concerned are not sure of their own sexuality? Straight men also have a problem with serving and behaving themselves with women in the military.
  • rextrek1 · 1 year ago
    Graham looks / sounds like a southern "Aunt Bee" type....I can just picture him sitting on his porch swing on a hot summer day - drinking his Mint Julip and eating cucumber sandwiches.
  • Deacon_Blues · 1 year ago
    John, I have mixed emotions about "outing" people. One of my children is gay, and proud of it. But those who choose to stay in the closet, should they be allowed to do so? Do we only out those who "deserve it"? And who are we to choose? On a strictly political basis, I wish someone would out this asshole -- and Senator McConnell along with him, because we know that it would destroy their career -- even though we both believe someone's sexual orientation SHOULDN'T be a reason to destroy their career. It's a real puzzle.
  • Gary SF · 1 year ago
    Deacon, Graham is affiliated with the Republican party, which has consistently been the enemy of gays. Outing IS justified when hypocrisy is evident. Destroying the career of someone who represents a party that targeted my right to marry in California is of no concern to me. Good riddance.
  • Deacon_Blues · 1 year ago
    I don't disagree with you, and if I could wave a magic wand and make it so, I'd do it myself, but it still somehow seems hypocritical to say that being gay shouldn't mean anything -- except when it should.
  • ShirleyGoodnessanMercy · 1 year ago
    Being gay should never be the cause of discrimination. And when a closet case is making being gay the cause of discrimination, it is tragic and can not be overlooked.
  • Gary SF · 1 year ago
    OT but Wow! Dodd is on Univision, being interviewed in Spanish and speaking fluently.

    Speaking about this post, I think it is time to move on. Unless I am mistaken, Don't Ask Don't Tell is toast. I think it will be the 'bone' that the Democrats and Obama toss to us. Beating up Graham is justified, but I'm not sure if it accomplishes anything.

    Viewing every issue through the lenses of Democrat/Republican, Right/Left, Christian/non-Christian, etc. is so 2008. For example, the issue of a national health care system USED to be a 'liberal' issue. Now, big businesses (those that don't profit from health care) are now mostly on-board for moving to a better system, mostly because they want to reduce their costs. Many seniors also recognize the need because of their circumstances. They still remain 'Republican' though. So we can agree that we need a new system, independent of the lens of party affiliation. The only people supporting the existing system are those who profit from it and those who hang on do some ideology that is no longer defensible.

    Let's leave our baggage (ie those lenses) at the door when we enter 2009.
  • Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago
    Grand Old Pretense
  • devlzadvocate · 1 year ago
    Grand Old Pansy
  • LeftCoastOracle · 1 year ago
    You go, guy. I've wondered for a long time why nobody has asked this question. It's time our federal govt abolished "Don't ask don't tell" and I'm hearing Colin Powell this morning, on Fareed Zakaria's GPS, call for a review of the policy because "...times have changed." He also stated that although he had concerns about gays in the military fifteen years ago, he did not want DADT to become law and thinks it is unfortunate that it did.

    Well, words have power and his words at the time unleashed a pretty ugly torrent from the most reactionary wing of his party and resulted in a destructive policy that has blighted the lives of thousands of patriotic Americans who happen to be gay, and has cost American taxpayers untold thousands of dollars that we can ill afford.

    Sad that it has taken 15 years for him to express these sentiments and I hope Sec'y. Colin Powell will say what he means and mean what he says in the future. I certainly respect him for asking, "...what difference would it make?" if Barack Obama were Muslim, at the time he endorsed him. That is the sort of thoughtful language for which we look to leaders such as Powell. I hope he will continue to speak out boldly and clearly against discrimination wherever it rears its ugly head.
  • Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago
    Why are the hypocrites so concentrated in the party that claims to uphold moral values?
  • RainbowPhoenix · 1 year ago
    Because it's the party that claims to uphold moral values.
  • Ben Dover · 1 year ago
    The Divine Miss Lindsey is gayer than a bar full of drag queens during Pride Fest weekend. I don't think a person would even have to possess gaydar to see it.

    It was my life experience when I served in the Army from 75-79 that you couldn't run the military without us. Then or now. It was so predominant that we used to joke that the Pentagon was the world's largest uniform fetish gay bar. I remember when bars such as the D.C. Eagle in Exile would hold half price nights for anyone carrying a military I.D. The line outside the bar looked more like a military formation than most formations I stood.
  • Tim_Out_In_Tx · 1 year ago
    Ironies aside, Graham is also an Air Force Reserve JAG officer.
  • example · 1 year ago
    He's not gay, he's a southern gentleman.
  • devlzadvocate · 1 year ago
    Big surprise. Everybody's personal life is fair game for public scrutiny, criticism and legislation to a republican politician (Clintons, Teri Schiavo, etc.) but not their own.
  • T. Scheisskopf · 1 year ago
    And he lives in Charleston SC, which just deepens the mystery, because, god knows, there just ain't ANY gay people there.(Do I REALLY need a sarcasm tag here?)
  • OhNo · 1 year ago
    Now that you mention it, he looks like an older version of Kenneth the page on 30 Rock.
  • wearing out my F key · 1 year ago
    well, if he walks like a queefy, mincing homosexual and talks like a queefy, mincing homosexual, he must be a queefy, mincing homosexual.

    not that there's anything wrong with that.
  • ComradeRutherford · 1 year ago
    This is an excerpt from a famous 'letter to the editor' that appeared in the Valley News in Vermont back in April, 2000. The author is Sharon Underwood and her letter was a response to homophobic letter writers and their assumptions of gayness. This excerpt details her father's experiences in the military:

    "My 83-year-old father fought in World War II, was wounded and awarded the Purple Heart. He shakes his head in sadness at what his grandson has had to live. He says he fought alongside homosexuals in those battles, that they did their part and bothered no one. One of his best friends in the service was gay, and he never knew it until the end, and when he did find out, it mattered not at all. That wasn't just the measure of the man."

    Here is a randomly selected link to the full text of her letter.

    http://www.fmpflag.org/striving.html
  • jurassicpork · 1 year ago
    As a former Navy SEAL, I can tell you that, when you're taking on fire, there are no such things as atheists or gays in foxholes.

    Gay soldiers demonstrate time and again a solidarity that, if anything, is even stronger than that found among heterosexual soldiers. History informs of this when speaking of the soldiers of ancient Greece.
  • warbler · 1 year ago
    Don't want to be argumentative, but Pat Tillman died in combat as an atheist. The idea that people in terrifying situations find religion is anecdotal and there's no proof that it's true.
    Appreciate your comment.
  • Bruce · 1 year ago
    Atheism is actually slightly more common among the military than among civilians, in part because both atheism and the military skew male and young. My suspicion is that you may have meant (and if I am wrong, please correct me) that they are no such things as PEOPLE WHO GIVE A DAMN ABOUT athests or gays in foxholes.
  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
    I can tell you that is what he meant.
  • jurassicpork · 1 year ago
    You're right. That's precisely what I meant. Sorry for my imprecision.
  • warbler · 1 year ago
    I hate taking showers with straight guys. You know, they all have small penises and so they stare at mine as if it were an affront to their masculinity (which they equate with heteroness, and is an absurd cogitative leap which they all make for some reason). Straight guys hate having stubby little George Bush penises and so they carry this grudge about gay guys around and want them banned from shower rooms so they can maintain the delusion that George Bush sized penises are normal when they ain't.
  • larry · 1 year ago
    A short little southern boy so tightly closeted he has not choice but try so very hard to be a big old butch guy. Lindsey should just come on out and move his gay ass to Foley Beach. He knows what I mean or do you prefer Paris Island Lindsey?
  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
    and as a military submarine veteran who was discharged for being gay, I can guarantee you I'd rather have some of my tough LESBIAN friends who were discharged for liking other women than that confirmed bachelor WUSS, Lindsay Graham, next to me in a Fox Hole! Its one thing to be effeminate but I'm sure Lindsay would be afraid of getting dirty or breaking a finger nail in the middle of a fire fight. I can't believe with all the homophobes in South Carolina they keep putting that Log Cabin self loathing gay man back in the Senate to represent them. And, no, Lindsay, quickly marrying your office secretary isn't going to help. In other words, "pulling a Governor Crist" only works if you don't look like "Aunt Bee in a men's suit" from the Andy Griffith show.
  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
    I'm going to get real graphic here, but on the submarine I had a guy try to "come on" to me for sex. I didn't do it! I NEVER had sex on the submarine. I pretended I didn't know what the guy was doing when he got a little too intimate rubbing my back in the ship's office. Guys on submarines can get fairly intimate because we are down there for months at a time, but lets just say he started touching places he shouldn't have touched. I just politely pushed away grinned and said, "Thanks! That felt great... Your turn!" and gave him a "standard" back rub. Its not that I didn't want to have sex with him. I thought he was really attractive, its just that I was OUT THERE to do a damned job and not have sex in the ship's office! Now, I know some other guys have been caught having sex on submarines, but my point is that I NEVER DID IT and if I can NOT have sex on a submarine then OTHER gay men can control themselves on a submarine!

    Being gay does NOT mean you can not control your behavior. In fact, I even had to be ordered by the ship's Navy Corpsman to masterbate because my "lack of compliance" caused my prostate to become inflamed / infected... I'm sick to death of the submarine service being used as a reason for gay people not to be allowed to be integrated in the service. Colin Powell mentioned something about it, along with his assertion the American military force was somehow "different" than the other countries who have successfully integrated their services with lesbians and gays.

    A link to prove I know what I'm talking about:

    http://www.gayglobe.us/gay-sailor.html

    -Tim
  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
    One other thing... gay and straight sex occurs on EVERY ship in the Navy and the military knows it! Its a personal decision, and one's work ethic or set of personal values that keeps one from participating or not. I chose NOT to participate or attempt sex on the submarine. Therefore, I'm sick of gays / lesbians being painted as people who can't control themselves. If anything, we have BETTER control over our sexuality than our straight counterparts!

    Okay, I just realized I typed "masterbate" in above post... hmmm... "masturbate" LOL
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    In answer to your question, it is, of course, hands off ANY sitting Senator for being gay unless they are caught in some type of public scandal. Mark Foley comes to mind as does Larry Craig. Both of those hypocrites had something to say about laws concerning gays.

    In LIndsey's case I think it goes a little deeper. He is a short man trying to prove himself while being in the closet.

    There has never been in doubt in my mind that Lindsey is gay.
  • BraydenWicker · 1 year ago
    Suppose he is gay. We still don't know if he is a Top or Bottom?
  • Older_Wiser · 1 year ago
    Disturbing...check out the raggedy robe and pills on the table...

    www.fruitfly.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/disturbin...
  • RitornaVincitor · 1 year ago
    Can you believe that?? Look at all those pills. And nobody's even touched the cake!
  • chowderSF · 1 year ago
    Thank you John for calling attention to Grahams' gay issue again....and yes, he is a major flamer...oh, yeah....so obvious. Puh-leez.....missy.....and I have always wondered how he can, in good conscience, remain in the closet while supporting DADT. What is up with no one outing by now??? Thanks again for all you do for our (the gay community) welfare...it is appreciated. Big time.
  • Ravi · 1 year ago
    With all due respect, I don't think he is as bad as he is sometimes made out to be.
  • CPL · 1 year ago
    John, I know it's easy to keep blaming Lindsay Graham, but the assessment of blame would be better served elsewhere.

    Like, on the district that KEEPS RE-ELECTING HIM. They're the real numbnuts, because they enable him to keep degrading the troops by his mere presence.
  • JamesR · 1 year ago
    Graham proves the success of "Don't Ask Don't Tell" Republicans don't want to ask, we don't need to ask. And nobody more intimately involved wants the embarrassment of telling.

    Off Topic: I also can't believe Representative Patrick McHenry is still there, evidently having been re-elected. WTF!? I just checked. I can't believe it. Thought he was toast after all his puerile corruption and psycho closteted behavior. Just PROVES you can't take your eye off these type Republicans (all of them it would seem) - they have NO shame, even as they live to pile shame on others. Like cockroaches, not to insult a family of innocent insects.

    ~ I found a bunch of references to McHenry here, but somehow I cannot post links to Americablog posts on a thread, think I found another kind of bug! Even after neutering them by removing the http and slashes and .coms. Mebbe Disqus has it's anti-SPAM set sensitively. Even though I was attempting to link back to Americablog... If curious just search the site for Patrick McHenry ~
  • RitornaVincitor · 1 year ago
    Graham looks like a smiling chicken wing. He's either gay or Mormon.
  • agentX · 1 year ago
    What's with homophobic senators being gay or setting off the gaydar?
    You'd figure they would've learned from the Ted Haggart incident and pipe down about 'teh gays', but noooo....

    Yah, he sets off my punkdar more than my gaydar.