AMERICAblog: Magnanimity is nice, but let's not forget the hideous race John McCain ran
tommytoonz
· 1 year ago
Off topic, but I just heard on MSNBC that CA Prop 8 is too close to call, that's a welcome change!
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
oooh intg
tommytoonz
· 1 year ago
intg?
tommytoonz
· 1 year ago
interesting, I figured it out, eventually. :)
Steve_in_CNJ
· 1 year ago
i'm not sure that's off topic. the YES on prop 8 campaign is an excellent example of the sickness that is the republican and conservative movement in this country. they lied so many times i lost count. the progressive side countered with sensitivity truth and reason. let's face it, most of the things conservatives want are unwinnable without deception. but one day they will find something the country needs and from lack of practice won't know how to make the honest argument.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
One phrase deserves boldface:
most of the things conservatives want are unwinnable without deception
vkobaya
· 1 year ago
but one day they will find something the country needs and from lack of practice won't know how to make the honest argument.
You are way off base trying to apply the word honest to Republicans, at least this generation of neocon Republicans. If it is something the country needs, something good for the country, then the Republicans will be against it.
BLOGGING BITCH!
· 1 year ago
Looks like McCain found another job that won't be coming back.
ChrisM70
· 1 year ago
I completely agree with this post. Let me add a few words to help strengthen your argument:
Lee Atwater Karl Rove Bill O' Reilly Mary Matalin Michelle Malkin George Bush Dick Cheney
Forty Acres: a poem for Barack Obama from Nobel winner Derek Walcott The West Indies poet Derek Walcott, winner of the 1992 Nobel Prize for Literature, writes exclusively for The Times to mark the election of Barack Obama as President
Out of the turmoil emerges one emblem, an engraving — a young Negro at dawn in straw hat and overalls, an emblem of impossible prophecy, a crowd dividing like the furrow which a mule has ploughed, parting for their president: a field of snow-flecked cotton forty acres wide, of crows with predictable omens that the young ploughman ignores for his unforgotten cotton-haired ancestors, while lined on one branch, is a tense court of bespectacled owls and, on the field's receding rim — a gesticulating scarecrow stamping with rage at him.
Apparently Reid is still dithering over what to do about Lieberputz.
We really need to put some pressure on Reid to do the right thing and kick Lieberputz the hell out of the Democratic caucus.
Hawk
· 1 year ago
yes, apparently a campaign is needed!
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
The Dems still need old bi-partisan Joe's vote and it appears President Obama has the political heft and intra personal skills to get old bladders like Joe and Miz Lindsey to warble like birdies...
BLOGGING BITCH!
· 1 year ago
Can we still monitor Bristol? She's still losing weight.
Can you believe Alaska also wants us to have Stevens and Young? Hell, Palin was the last thing we needed. When will see the video of some lucky young woman buying up a half-million dollar wardrobe for $20 at Goodwill?
BLOGGING BITCH!
· 1 year ago
I don't recall FOX NEWS telling us that McCain loses 2:1
Charles2
· 1 year ago
All morning I've heard this odd sound all around me - like popcorn. I've finally figured out it's all of my conservative co-workers' heads exploding.
For today, f*** 'em.
Tomorrow I'll be magnanimous and offer them a tylenol. Today, I gloat.
vkobaya
· 1 year ago
Poisoned Tylenol I hope. I'm not one who will ever sing Kumbaya with them, at least this generation of Republicans.
cole3244
· 1 year ago
obamas speech was consistent with a man who respects his opposition and treats all with respect even during his campaigns, mccains speech was from a man who people now say is the real mccain, too bad he wasn't principled enough to be that man in the heat of battle, and that is one of the reasons he lost this campaign, among others.
SgtHudson
· 1 year ago
Amen...
Hawk
· 1 year ago
Well done, lets be sure and call it what ot is though
Rovian Politics! If we want them to be over, we have to identify them.
seohio
· 1 year ago
Watching McCain's speech last night, I saw the old John McCain--the John McCain of 8 years ago. A man of honor and dignity. Seeing how he gave up his principles to run for President really broke my heart over the last year. He needs something that John Kennedy wrote about--COURAGE! If he had COURAGE, he would have been in charge of his campaign, and not the attack dogs. If he had the COURAGE, he would have selected his VP candidate.
I'm happy Obama is now President-elect, but in a way I feel sorry for John McCain--not because he lost, but because he gave up his principles to get the nomination, and then to lie about Senator Obama.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
McCain, and Republicans, ran a filthy nasty race for TWO LONG YEARS so I'll be willing to forgive and forget two years from now, as long as the new McCain remains the new McCain for two more years.
woodroad34
· 1 year ago
He's gonna be dead by then.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Yea, you're probably right!
RIPWAMU
· 1 year ago
Never feel bad for McCain. He cooked his own goose by selling out. He hired the Carl Rove fiends who destroyed him in 2000. He might be a "nice guy", but he has still shown racist, divisive tendencies that cannot go unnoticed.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Thank you, John. Your post is exactly how I feel. I didn't get much magnanimity from the other side when George W. Bush won. I don't know about the rest of ya, but I got a lot of sneering and giggling about how Dubya was going to get Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and cut everyone's taxes while keeping the gays from getting "special rights" and America would be victorious. So, yeah, I'm happy but I'm not going to be bending over backwards to call my Republican "friends" and family and tell them I'm going to play nice with them now. They've done a HELLUVA lot of damage and the gay-baiting continues uninterupted. If Republicans want magnanimity from me, they will HAVE TO APPROACH ME first. I'm totally with John A. on this. I've seen Democrats, too many times, after winning start kissing Republicans asses only to get stabbed in the back. Republicans have lost their party. Their true red meat Republicans are aging and dying off and GOOD RIDDANCE! We need them to get demoralized, stop voting and move our country in a bright new direction. The young haters can just sit down and STFU because majority values are going to rule the day.
PeteWa
· 1 year ago
There was ZERO magnanimity from the Bushies when they won. The gloating started day one and the bile and venom that came out of their mouths increased daily. Like yourself, I have no intention of mending the fences the Republicans broke, but I also do not plan on gloating and attacking them either, we all have better things to do with our time.
woodroad34
· 1 year ago
They break and destroy and ruin and wait for the next administration to clean up after them. They haven't been a responsible party for a looooong time.. Time for them to roll up their sleeves and be responsible and clean up their messes or they're going to get spanked.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Oh, gloating is not my style. I don't have time for that. I'm for getting busy with doing my best to economically punish California in any way possible because of their hateful new proposition. Boycott California products! No gay dollars for California unless absolutely necessary.
woodroad34
· 1 year ago
An ultra-conservative (and gay) acquaintance of mine early on promised me that we would see how "brilliant" Dubya really would be. Of course, my jaw dropped at that. Eight, screaming-in-my-face years later, however, I generously offered him my file from 2000 on how to immigrate to Canada. See, we can be magnanimous.
chasemonster
· 1 year ago
McCain used his concession speech last night to give a stump speech for his re-election in the 2010 Senate race.
Older_Wiser
· 1 year ago
Most excellent post, John! (Applause)
Liberals shouldn't forget that Hitler kissed babies and patted little children on the head, either. Let's not get all mushy over those assholes that have made this country miserable for so many years.
MSNBC reports that Richard Lugar declines to be considered for Secy of State under Obama. Fuck the Rethugs and all they stand for.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
The false equivalency crowd is packing green rooms across changed America with pinkies poised to detect and manipulate subtle shifts of opportunistic wind. In all the Obamaphoria and honeymoon swoonery let us not forget to monitor the far right and their heavily damaged echo chamber. McCain may have quelled booing in his very gracious concession and may even have shamed a few rightist softies but I doubt Rush and his like will pull any punches.
unrepentant_expat
· 1 year ago
Time to begin the impeachment hearings before this hideous lamb duck pardons his henchmen and emboldens plotting repugs.
CobaltBlue
· 1 year ago
It's true. It's so obvious. The GOP have become the sinister, dark force of america. But they have been crushed!
And this morning I opened the window....and the fresh air streaming in was so delightful, and is still so very delightful… .
I’m proud of America again! The flicker of its light was severly weakened, but now, fueled by hope and the desire for honorable and decent change, that light is brighter and is growing stronger.
hey…here’s a very beautiful rendition of America’s anthem.
Looks as if Prop 8 in California passed. It doesn't surprise me in the least as all I ever heard on the radio or TV was hateful, lying ads by the religious freaks that were backing this.
I don't know what the No on Prop 8 people were doing but they were totally ineffectual. This will set back gay civil rights quite a bit. The only good thing is that with Obama we can hope that any Supreme Court openings would be filled with a reasonable centrist judges. Eventually gay rights will land on their doorstep.
RIPWAMU
· 1 year ago
I am so beyond done with religious hypocrisy. The fact that Mormons in UTAH and their missionary backpackers crossed the border angers me beyond belief. I am straight, but I have my very own "Will" and this step back hurts. But we have seen that anything is possible and we just have to keep fighting.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
I don't think this will set back gay civil rights. Remember, Mr. Obama has kept us in his list of American groups, we did help elect him and, more importantly, we're freaking everywhere. "Marriage" was pushed into the civil union debate by wingers to have precisely the effect it has had. James Neill's new book "The Origins and Role of Same-Sex Relations in Human Societies" will have a significant effect on rightwing efforts to harm us as a people by presenting scholarship that supports our rightful, historical and anthropological niche in human society and homosexual ubiquity in the natural (non Western post 14th century) order. http://www.amazon.com/Origins-Same-Sex-Relation...
Steve_in_CNJ
· 1 year ago
what a colossal irony that obama's candidacy indirectly cost us this vote. african amercans supported stripping GLB californians of their marriages by 70%-30%. other ethnic groups were pretty evenly split.
there are 2 ways the repeal in 2010 will succeed. either obama gets more directly involved to shape opinion (which i expect he will do) or african americans stay home on election day.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
it'll be overturned... how can you take an unconstitutional law (prop 22) that was overturned... propose it as a constitutional amendment and think that it won't be overturned?
remember, protection for GLBT against discrimination is ALREADY in the California constitution... how can you have two amendments that are in direct conflict with each other, and call them both constitutional?
and for all those people out there that were pissed off that the "activist judges" overturned the 'will of the people' by declaring prop 22 unconstitutional?
if bad laws weren't declared unconstitutional....
women wouldn't be able to vote or own property... and there wouldn't BE a President-elect Obama (he'd still be considered 3/5ths of a person).
I suggest to all those who aren't right-wing christians who voted 'yes' on prop 8... you got punked by the christians.
ugh, you can never find a lion when you need one.
woodroad34
· 1 year ago
There have been a flood of people getting married before this election and I wondered why. I found out that those who got married before the possible passage of 8 couldn't have their marriages retroactively revoked. So what does that do? It sets up a two-tiered societal schism within a minority. How can that be legal or even fair? This isn't some sort of Nightclub with a bouncer saying: "yes, you two can go in, but I don't like you two".
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
exactly... two tiered within one minority group.
I'm in the married group.
HOWEVER... that's where the pro-prop 8 groups are still working... they want all the marriages already performed to be dissolved. Thus fixing the two-tiered system.
and again fucking with our rights.
prop 2 gave rights to animals... prop 8 took them away from gays.
mighty christian of them.
PeteWa
· 1 year ago
John, This is perhaps your best post ever. I completely agree.
stefanzo
· 1 year ago
I thought McCain's speech was on the whole positive. But I didn't appreciate the way he framed Obama's win at the beginning: it was a win for minorities, for "them", it's "their turn" and so on. The implicit message was "this isn't OUR president, this is THEIR president". The party attack dogs are going to use that to frame every Obama move as something for minorities and against "real Americans".
Obama will be one of the best presidents ever, entirely because he will run his Administration for ALL of us - for the Left AND for the Right, not just for his friends.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
You are right. He WAS NOT magnanimum. I thought the same thing listening to him. Who is this "them" he keeps talking about?
devis1
· 1 year ago
I had to walk out of the room after 30 seconds of MCain's shit--I couldn't believe that he was saying it.
JamesR
· 1 year ago
I commented referencing you, what could be a reply to your comment but at the top of the thread to make it more visible, thanks.
RIPWAMU
· 1 year ago
Those people have been a disgrace for far more than 8 years, try 221. I am so done with those hate mongering, bible thumping psychos. However, I do fear the worst is yet to come and it is up to all US people to shut them the hell up! We have taken back the dream and now it is time for us to protect it. Obama has an uphill battle and I feel that all of us who voted for him and campaigned for him now need to help him along the way by doing our part. Doing our part with our children, doing our part with the environment, doing our part with our own checkbooks. Just like Michelle said during the election, he can get us most of the way there then it is our turn to help him complete the task.
DAR_Progressive
· 1 year ago
Excellent points. We celebrate today, but as our OBAMA HQ leader told us last night, our real work begins tomorrow. We have the momentum, let's just be ready for Republican rebranding of the same old 'horseshit.' We need to keep the grass roots engaged in the process, and Obama is the leader who can help do that.
My heart was lifted talking to Obama supporters across the country phone banking; a Senior Citizen in FL answered, when I asked if they'd voted yet, "YES WE DID!!!"
Sage24
· 1 year ago
I watched "The View" too, and was amused to see Hassleback pretending to support the new President, when yesterday, she was screaming about Rev. Wright, and other petty things. I wondered if that really was Hassleback there today, or someone playing her. What a turnaround!
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
She is a typical delusional Republican tool.
woodroad34
· 1 year ago
and "Reality" star and Miss Teen USA judge--whoop-de-doo. When I hear Republicans denigrate intelligent actors like Alec Baldwin, who happen to be Democrats as "just actors" and yet this bimbo screeches her way through a campaign with false rationale and facts and gets away with it, I start thinking maybe I should join the NRA and do some huntin' (that's a *snark* btw, for those humor-challenged Cro-Magnon rethugs out there).
skeptic
· 1 year ago
And oh yeah, shouldn't we be getting rid of Pelosi as Speaker?
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Be sure and call the Senate Majority leader, Harry Reid, and tell him we, as Democrats, demand Lieberman get STRIPPED of his committee assignments and kicked out of the caucus. I called him at 202-224-3542 and told him, "Senator Lieberman costs us a lot of votes in Oklahoma. As Vice Chair of the Delaware County Democratic Party, I would like Senator Lieberman to be stripped of his committee assignments for the votes he cost us in our state. There were Democrats who might have voted for the Democratic ticket in our state but were confused by someone who should have been supporting his fellow Democrats for office. We can not continue to support traitors, like Lieberman, in our party nor can we allow a state like Connecticut to be rewarded for voting for someone who does not represent and promote our caucus. Again, we can not afford to keep Mr. Lieberman in our caucus!"
anastasjoy
· 1 year ago
Best thing you've ever written, John. I'm saving this. I'm so tired of the "everyone does it" crap. When did Obama or Biden or anyone associated with their campaign promote flat-out lies, let alone run ads featuring strings of them? When did they question McCain's (or even Palin's) patriotism and dedication to their country? When did they flog a series of tenuous personal relationships (or in the case of McCain and Palin, they would have been REAL relationships , from Charles Keating to William Timmons' doing business with Saddam Hussein to the Alaska Independence Party) to try to pin other peoples' opinions or actions on them? Answer is "never" as m uch as some impatient Democrats wanted them to and as much as some of the attacks would have been justified and relevant.
Ruttle
· 1 year ago
Very well said, John.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
One thing we need to do, as well. We need to remind the American people that if they TRULY want change they need to stop voting Republican. Most of America rejected Republicans. The progressive part of America woke up and voted them out. Now, the message needs to be directed to the hold out states. If you want change. If you want things to improve then get in line and vote Democratic. Otherwise, you will REMAIN in exile. Give the Senate their filibuster proof majority. This message needs to be pounded into America's brain every single time obstructionist Republicans try to block our recovery from the disastrous last eight years.
Ginger_FL
· 1 year ago
Just had a "discussion" with a friend of mine in CA that spends far to much of her time listening to RW BS about this very subject.
I received 3 calls from the Repubs yesterday and another call from them last week. (sorry repubs, I was working for Obama all day yesterday_
While our Obama people were out canvassing this weekend....Repubs were out going to Dem doors as well...but they were passing themselves off as Obama people and telling voters they were not able to cast ballots for various (insert lie) reasons!!!
It was so bad, we had to send the ACLU out yesterday to those neighborhoods.
For the last 2 weeks, I have been getting hateful, inflamatory flyers from the RNC out of Tallahassee...DAILY !!! Talk about insighting hate in a tinderbox area!!!
I'm thrilled we took FL...I suspected we might since we have seen lots of Repubs at the polls voting for Obama over the last 2 weeks. Very nice to see...I hope the hate calms down around here now....I hope these crazy people don't act out since they have been feeding off of Hate for so long.
RIPWAMU
· 1 year ago
There's lot of free space in Alaska for those hate mongerers to relocate it. Perhaps we should issue a proclamation for relocation :-)
Ginger_FL
· 1 year ago
I'm afraid the hateful bigots will destroy Alaska... However, I support sending them on a 1 way ticket to Antartica however ;) (minus heaters...food....water....shelter.....) ;) ;) ;)
RIPWAMU
· 1 year ago
Antartica has enough problems :-) Alaska is perfect because then they can all be in one place and continue on with their succession desires. Palin can be their president and the rest of us can take cruises there to look into their fishbowl and then pat ourselves on the back for getting rid of them.
devis1
· 1 year ago
HAH!!
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
yeah but... if you send them all to Alaska... what'll Canada think of us when they try to invade?
Ubiquitous
· 1 year ago
Very good post. And good points.
McCain has always been 'McNasty'. It's too late to rebrand himself now. The best he could do would be a nationwide tour to those places - Texas comes to mind - where his filth took strongest hold and where, even now, half the electorate thinks they've elected a muslim. He could usefully start walking back his lies. But I doubt if he will.
And has Palin given back her wardrobe, do you think?
NEWSWEEK has also learned that Palin's shopping spree at high-end department stores was more extensive than previously reported. While publicly supporting Palin, McCain's top advisers privately fumed at what they regarded as her outrageous profligacy. One senior aide said that Nicolle Wallace had told Palin to buy three suits for the convention and hire a stylist. But instead, the vice presidential nominee began buying for herself and her family—clothes and accessories from top stores such as Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus. According to two knowledgeable sources, a vast majority of the clothes were bought by a wealthy donor, who was shocked when he got the bill. Palin also used low-level staffers to buy some of the clothes on their credit cards. The McCain campaign found out last week when the aides sought reimbursement. One aide estimated that she spent "tens of thousands" more than the reported $150,000, and that $20,000 to $40,000 went to buy clothes for her husband. Some articles of clothing have apparently been lost. An angry aide characterized the shopping spree as "Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast," and said the truth will eventually come out when the Republican Party audits its books.
A Palin aide said: "Governor Palin was not directing staffers to put anything on their personal credit cards, and anything that staffers put on their credit cards has been reimbursed, like an expense. Nasty and false accusations following a defeat say more about the person who made them than they do about Governor Palin."
McCain himself rarely spoke to Palin during the campaign, and aides kept him in the dark about the details of her spending on clothes because they were sure he would be offended. Palin asked to speak along with McCain at his Arizona concession speech Tuesday night, but campaign strategist Steve Schmidt vetoed the request.
embolden mine .... LOL Wasilla Hillbillies
Ginger_FL
· 1 year ago
I thought Caribu Barbie looked pissed last night... for a minute there, I thought she was going to grab the microphone and talk after McSame...but then she slithered off the stage when it was clear she didn't have permission to whip up more hate for Obama.
I hope I NEVER have to See or Hear that wicked creature again!!!!
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
"Facts have a notoriously liberal bias." - Stephen Colbert
dances_with_beagles
· 1 year ago
Great post. McCain ran one of the most disgusting, sleaziest, dishonorable campaigns in recent history, if not all of US history. Just because you play nice in a speech after getting your ass handed to you doesn't mean all is forgotten or forgiven. He dishonored the entire nation and sullied us all with lies, hate, and the worst form of bigotry, the subtle kind. He didn't find his honor again. He never had honor in the first place. It was an act. The campaign only shined light on his true character, and it was a hideous sight to behold.
deked26
· 1 year ago
Well said, couldn't agree with you more. The man has disgraced the presidency, and himself, not only with the way he ran his campaign, but also with his choice of running mate
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
That fascist Talibangelical Bay Buchanan was screeching at Paul Begala "Your side did it too!" the other day when Paul Beggala lamented the vitriol and hate filled wing nut rallies Palin and McCain held. Begala was having none of it. He went right back at her and let her know in no uncertain terms that Democrats DID NOT shout hate at their rallies like Republicans. Good for Paul!
woodroad34
· 1 year ago
Nor have they condoned (by their silence) murder. Republicans (and libertarians) who are up for election in national elections (those elections that the whole nation sees, not the local elections that don't have as much of an impact on the rest of us) have been more than vile and desperate starting with Nixon and Newt Ginrich in the last 30 years. I'm with John on this one. It's been disgusting--they aren't leaders, they're a pack of wolves and skunks.
Chase22
· 1 year ago
Oh, give me a break with this article. Man, I don't know what world you live in, but if you think this is simply a Republican / Conservative thing, my friend, you are terribly mistaken.
As someone who's pretty much a libertarian, I've voted on both sides of the fence and find the same crappy rhetoric and slander from everywhere. I live in NYC...try to tell me I don't CONSTANTLY hear about Republicans being idiots (and that's just nicest thing I've heard said).
You're trying to paint a false picture from your own perspective without actually being fair about it. It DOES happen on both sides whether you'd care to admit it or not.
LeftCoastOracle
· 1 year ago
I believe John is speaking of the presidential campaign. The Republican Party and the McCain Campaign used some pretty nasty tactics whereas the Democratic Party and Obama Campaign were much more restrained, using biting irony when necessary to combat the vitriol from its opponents.
Chase22
· 1 year ago
I definitely saw this a lot more from the Republicans in this campaign. It seemed like as they started seeing the loss coming they got more desperate and started with this b.s.
ShirleyGoodnessanMercy
· 1 year ago
Funny, I never heard crowds at Obama rallies yelling "Kill him!!" whenever McCain's name was mentioned. And I never once saw a Democrat try to win an election by spreading lies about us gay people, purposefully playing on ignorant people's cluelessness about gays to make them think that we were going to destroy their lives. ONLY Republicans do that.
Milli
· 1 year ago
John, why were you watching The View?
RIPWAMU
· 1 year ago
I Tivo'd it just so I could see what the freak has to say
LeftCoastOracle
· 1 year ago
If I was religious I would say AMEN! Hopefully this campaign/election will put the final nail in the coffin of the Lee Atwater/Karl Rove Republican election machine.
unrepentant_expat
· 1 year ago
NOT WITHOUT PROSECUTIONS!
LeftCoastOracle
· 1 year ago
OK, I'll drink to that!
devis1
· 1 year ago
You hit the nail on the head. I would very much like to email this post to a relative who I thought I knew and loved. Her behavior during the last several months was very upsetting. She called me early this AM to "congratulate me". WTF? She riddled me for "taking it so personal" when I got annoyed at her for forwarding all the obnoxious near racist hateful propaganda chain emails. This was a joke to her and after I told her to stop emailing me 2 weeks ago she did, but she felt it necesssary to send me another last one late Sunday night with the desperate plea to "listen with an open mind". So NO, I will never forget and she is not worth the time it would take to forward your post. Oh and may I add that I LOVE AMERICAblog one and all.
Catsandbeer.com
· 1 year ago
right on John - McCain not acting like a piece of shit for the first time in months while conceding the race does not wipe out the fact that he acted like a piece of shit for months and his operatives were even worse - one of the reasons Obama won was because he was so damn composed and rose above this nonsense - you don't HAVE to sell your soul during a campaign and demonize the opponent - you can, of course, but I'm glad people are calling bullshit on those that pretend like it's the only option
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
One message I feel that has not been spread as effective as it should. The Europeans have enjoyed GAY MARRIAGE and FULL INTEGRATION of their MILITARY with gays/lesbians for YEARS now. Republican Talibangelicals need to stop with their whole "They hate us for our freedoms" shit until they are ready to give their neighbors freedom and equality. Until ALL of us have equality and freedom then no one is hating us FOR our "FREEDOMS" because some of us don't have the same equality and freedoms as "others."
RIPWAMU
· 1 year ago
Well put. But these egomaniacs don't want to look beyond their biases to see that they don't have all the answers or that people can live pretty harmoniously when someone isn't looking in their windows. Same thing with health care.
ShirleyGoodnessanMercy
· 1 year ago
Well said, cowboy!
woodroad34
· 1 year ago
I work in Beverly Hills and there was one lone guy outside the polling place (well, in the parking structure by the Library) handing out "No on 8" cards and there were several Middle Eastern people he tried to hand them to. They practically spit in his face. It was disgusting to see these people enjoy what freedoms they didn't have where they came from and then deny ANY freedom to gays (not to mention the City of Beverly Hills went ahead and put Farsi on the ballots to help them vote, even though the City didn't have to). It was disgusting.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Taliban and the Talibangelicals - same hateful theology where they think they are the only one's who know the mind of G-d. What ever occurs in their brains, according to them, is what G-d thinks and anyone who disagrees deserves death in their minds.
Rab
· 1 year ago
We can beat their ass with policy and smile all the way through it. I do not and never will accept repugs. There is a big fight ahead and we need to be vigilant.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Let us show all due respect to our dear friends... ;-)
BlueIA
· 1 year ago
I only plan on showing respect to true GOPers who saw the light and voted for Barack because they didn't buy the bullshit of their own party.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Sarcasm, sweetie...
BlueIA
· 1 year ago
Aww, thanks honeybunny for the clarification........
covo
· 1 year ago
You wrote exactly what I've been thinking. I just hope that the hate and divisiveness of the McCain campaign will be stifled by the fact that millions of Americans...white college educated Americans among others...didn't buy it. I hope that Limbaugh et al crawl into a hole and take Palin with them.
cab02149
· 1 year ago
Chase22 needs help using the bathroom. He can't discriminate between street talk, media fawning, hate speech, and hate inuendo from political leaders? Joy's words are horseshit. We don't need contrived "fairness",we need aggressive seekers of the facts and much less patience with the ignorant. If you don't do your homework, you don't deserve to be part of the debate. Spend more time seeking truth and less watching soap operas. I want more people demanding facts not feelings and knowing the difference. It has been 8 years of hell around here and don't forget it.
Freedom takes effort to keep. What planet have you been living on for the last 8 years?
Chase22
· 1 year ago
Cab02149's post...case and point...Thank you.
And don't lie to yourself, anyone who didn't vote for whatever administration is currently in office considers it "hell". You ever take a look at people, seriously? "much less patience with the ignorant"? Who are they? Everyone considers everybody who doesn't agree with what they agree with to be ignorant. Don't try to feed me this, I'll wind up throwing up on you.
First it's republicans with "move to canada" now it's democrats with "move to alaska". Come on.
RIPWAMU
· 1 year ago
It is about hate and division. Many of us are tired of it and feel if they don't like it they can get the hell out. I'm tired of people spending more time trying to take away my liberties than protecting them. I'm tired of being told that if I am not a specific kind of religious sect I will burn in hell. Heard that a lot in NC, so I moved. Just suggesting they do the same.
High Crimes & Misdemeanors
· 1 year ago
I was yelled at last night by fellow Minnesotans DEMS when Mccain was doing his acceptance speach. I was booing, cat calling, thumbs down and even flipped off the screen. Several people came up to me and told me stop. I gave them a stern look and shouted: this is fuckin criminal enterprise, they have stolen the pension and saving of the American people right under their nose, the last 8 years have been criminally disastrous. So yeah, fuck mccain and the REPUKES and this bullshit speech. I also it find it interesting that he conceded so early.
That "MN nice", can sometimes be so ridiculously passive...
Needless to say, I continued with what i was doing.....
BlueIA
· 1 year ago
Thanks, John, for saying what needs to be repeated today and in the months to come. The Rethugs ran a slimy campaign and I really don't give shit about Johnny's concession speech. What's with the "his" presidency, and "his" country. Seriously, he just continued the same divisive bullshit that feeds his crowd--as was evidenced by people in the audience BOOING every time Obama's name was mentioned. Screw them all, sour grapes. Well, my Rethuglican friends, you can all suck harder because Barack Obama is YOUR president too!!!! ROFL
MyVoice
· 1 year ago
Michael Moore was great on Bill Maher. He said he grew up with these sixpack guys and felt the same way growing up. Then he went on to say he pulled his head out of his azz but others he grew up with did not. Yes we are all still holding anger over what has happened during the election but I know that we are the greater people, we can look to the future and move forward. We do not have to forget but we do not need to dwell on these subjects too long. Prepare to work to support change. We know it is a long road and there will be roadblocks to break through. Get ready to fight the new battles that are coming. Get on the media for trying to tell Obama how to do his job. Remember- there are 2 funerals that Obama has to attend, he needs our support.
ShirleyGoodnessanMercy
· 1 year ago
"After eight years of having Republicans call me an un-American troop-hating fag-loving socialist, after months of John McCain embracing the hate to a level where his own supporters were calling out for Barack Obama to be assassinated, no one is going to be permitted to tell me with a straight face that "oh you know, both sides do it.""
BRAVO!!!!!! Thank you, John, for telling it like it T-I-IS!!!!
We need to work WITH conservatives, but we must never forget the fascist hell they are capable of creating.
MNUSA
· 1 year ago
"We're sorry. We were wrong." Wouldn't it be nice to hear those words from the Repubs? The fight doesn't end with Obama being elected. It's just beginning. We need to rid ourselves of bigotry, hatred, xenophobia, sexism, agism, and fear. Hate mongers - the Limbaughs and the Dobsons - need to be retired. We need to discuss ideas and solutions and use the intellect God gave each of us. Our country is in a terrible mess and we need everyone's talents and abilities to thrive again.
killingvector
· 1 year ago
And you know what? The Republican side's also got all the war criminals.
Damned_at_Random
· 1 year ago
Takes a LOT of hate for the troops to get a fat middle-aged woman like me out knocking on doors in the rain to GOTV for that terrorist.
My daughter is in Iraq
lilybart
· 1 year ago
The worst thing we did was the commercial where we made fun of the fact that McCain doesn't really know how to use a computer.
Wasn't that the worst of the official campagn?
cwzilla
· 1 year ago
I only have three words for any rethug that might come in here
neener neener neener : }
dad
· 1 year ago
said well
TPierce
· 1 year ago
Don't forget yesterday's last-ditch robocalls in Florida, saying Obama was allied with Castro. (Got it from a Florida resident.) What about all the times they called those who disagreed with them "traitors"? "baby killers"? "pro-handout"? "pro-Welfare"?
No, they didn't return to their true, good, inner selves yesterday. They just played people who had those selves.
It's time for the right to clean up its act. They need to start acting like adults again, not rabid wolverines, savaging anyone within reach. They need to start taking responsibility for the words that come out of their mouths. They need to start acting like mature members of this society and not like yapping, carping, petty brats who will say anything to get a rise.
clytemnestra
· 1 year ago
Bravo John
Hardy_Haberman
· 1 year ago
Well said!
UncleCharlie
· 1 year ago
Thanks John, well put. I hate those fuckers.
shell
· 1 year ago
Thank you Thank you Thank you
This needed to be said -- and by many more, too.
I am sick to damn death of the stupid, "They both do/did it" bullshit.
b4realshorty
· 1 year ago
wow. well put.
fentondem
· 1 year ago
Amen and amen
Hawk
· 1 year ago
I also find the choice of "Horse Shit" to be spot on!
You may have noticed, this is the name I have been giving for Rovian politics as well.
They use a Bucket of Horse Shit, good bad, vile disgusting, breathlessly repulsive crap. They fling handfulls at the puplic (wall) and don't really care which pieces stick, the ones that do, they run with.
Flag Pins/Baby Killer/Hand over heart/Black Panters/Ayers/Wright/socialist/Terrorists sympathizer/
None of them stuck this time is how we won.
Pure History now I am hopeful.
Indigo
· 1 year ago
I don't feel the least bit magnanimous. As one of the last of the still living commie-pinko-fag-professoriate of yesteryear, I see no need to offer a kindly hand to the orpessors.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
wait a minute... and I've been associating with you via the blog?!!?!?
you bastard! there goes my political career ;-)
then again, eventually someone would've found the porno.
Indigo
· 1 year ago
Okay, they find the porno. They'll never prove a thing because who has a machine to run video tape anymore?
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
I'd assume you mean YOUR video... mine is streaming :-b
Apphouse50
· 1 year ago
Well said. I've been wanting to vomit ever since McCain gave his speech as choked up pundits have told us what a standup guy he is and how classy that speech was. Screw him. Screw him for Keating 5. Screw him for the way he ran his shameful campaign. Screw him for trying to foist that evil fundie lying dingbat on this country. And screw him for coming just this close to characterizing Obama's historic victory as the victory of affirmative action.
I loved watching the 4 of them on stage last night in the death throes of the most disgraceful campaign in history. I loved watching Sarah look like she was ready to explode into tears (and learning after the fact that she wanted to speak and they wouldn't let her). I loved watching Todd look pissed off. I loved seeing Cindy McCain deprived yet again of her highly coveted move to bulldoze her way into Washington wives society with the power of the presidency behind her. And I loved watching McCain try (and, in my opinion, fail) to do what he should have done all along: be a classy, standup, gentleman.
Good riddance to the four of them.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
Politicians who employ the kind of deceitful propaganda tactics one would have expected to observe in Germany in the 1930s do not deserve our admiration. Let's hope that these methods will be correctly identified as exactly what they are and may we never forget exactly who used them and why.
rainlillie
· 1 year ago
I love John A! You nailed it. Thank you!!
yellowdogdem
· 1 year ago
Amen and Amen! And, sorry, McCain wasn't qualified to be President anyway. He's never run anything. He couldn't run his campaign. Why should anyone have expected him to have been able to run the government?
GrMtGirl3
· 1 year ago
McCain was in no way sincere in his concession speech. Typically he plays the good 'ole boy line . . . he's old and we should all forgive him. He should get and A+ + + + + for drama. His norm is to look out for himself to h - - - with anybody else. Watch out Cindy . . . he'll be in a bad mood because of his loss and will have to take it out on someone! As for Barack's comments . . . he is, as usual, portraying how a real statesman behaves.
woodroad34
· 1 year ago
Apparently there was even frost on the set of SNL when he did his stint there last weekend. I suggest the old boy join the ranks of Fred Thompson and get into acting. He's so good at lying.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
I watched Dubya give his "gracious" statement live this morning. Beneath the facade was rage and a very sore loser.
Hawk
· 1 year ago
Oh, the Rude one weighs in...
"So let's all say a huge "Fuck you" to some of those who have been shitting in our nests for the last eight years:
A great big "fuck you" to the warmongers, the fearmongers, the hatemongers, and the neocons. Last night, we said to them, "You can't scare us anymore." And we shoved their Iraq and their 9/11 whoring and their Iran threat and their WMDs and their pre-emptive doctrines and their Gitmo and their torture right up Dick Cheney's ass and laughed while he tried to get it out 'cause it burns his sphincter so fucking badly.
Let's say, "Suck our dicks" to the religious right. Sure, they can still get people to hate on gays, but now we know: Jesus doesn't fucking care about Christian conservatives. Jesus said, "Lick my holy balls" to the evangelicals last night because, see, Jesus wants us to stop being such motherfuckers to each other and to the rest of the world. It's proof, no? That Jesus wants liberal judges? That Jesus wants abortion to be safe? That Jesus wants Nancy Pelosi to be Speaker of the House? That Jesus wants science to rule the day? Yeah, Jesus fooled you, motherfuckers. You tried to speak for him, but last night he spoke loud and clear."
Agree. I didn't hear an apology--much less an appeal for forgiveness. None granted, needless to say.
JamesR
· 1 year ago
I read this whole thread looking for a comment like the one I am gonna make below, so I wouldn't have to. I think Scurl noticed something like this, I am sure I am not the only other one. ?
When I saw McCain's speech last night I thought I was seeing the old McCain back. Or who I thought he was, returning. But right at the first he started going into the history lesson of how great it was that a African American was getting the Big Job, - I wouldn't have blinked if he'd said "colored" or "negro" in that context - and it just seemed to me that he was firstly attributing his loss and Obama's gain (not the Country's mind you) to racial politics. Like it was a get back to whitey and we (whites) should all accept that in the context he provided. The camera panned to the unhappy crowd, and not a black face could be seen. And it occurred to me that that was what he was "spinning" for them was a new under the table "talking point" that excuses the loss. One that attempts to take a portion of legitimacy from Obama's victory and more importantly the collective intent of the electorate as expressed by their vote for that victory. His speech started out Big and got really small, really quick.
So as this realization hit me it was like an off-key fog horn in my mind, it colored, so to speak, the whole rest of the speech for me so I knew I would have to see it again to be sure. I have. It is still there. And for the record I must add I am a 48 year old white male who grew up in the DC suburbs - I know my racial politics and I know when they are being played, especially to who they think I am because I am white, and it makes me feel sick as it happens and dirty afterward.
He couldn't have spared ONE SENTENCE, right at the top, to connect the 'black' thing to the EVERYMAN thing and the AMERICAN thing. No. He could have, THAT would have been magnanimous and statesmanlike, he didn't. The rest of it was standard horseshit. What was in that speech, and Palin of course, are of course primary reasons why he lost. He / his speechwriter still does not get it.
stefanzo
· 1 year ago
I wanted to add another twist on this, that occurred to me later. From now on there's going to be a slightly different mental checklist we go through whenever we meet another person, and meet a person of color in particular. Sure, all the paranoia, the suspicion, the sense of "other" will still be there. But one thing will be different: the check box for "could be president" will be checked. That will be the case for every member in McCain's audience, and even though he was stirring up the "us" against "them" meme, he also was underlying that fact.. Every one of them will look at a black man (and hopefully others) and think somewhere deep inside, "he could be president".
JamesR
· 1 year ago
Heh - Yes, and they will also be looking at at least six out of ten other whites and think "they could be their supporters." It's a good day for America today.
marlena
· 1 year ago
You are sooo right -- and thank you for saying it better than I could have. From the start McCain basically said that Obama didn't win because he was the better candidate, he won because he was black. Obama won because he was better in every possible way -- he had better ideas, he relayed them better, he had better strategy, he was the (far, far) better man, and the vast majority of Americans, all Americans, got that. I used to like McCain as much as I could anyone of that ilk because he was smart and funny; since the day he hugged Jerry Falwell though he's just been pathetic. "Eloquent" concession speech, my ass.
CarolAl
· 1 year ago
Although I intend to put all the hateful rhetoric and vile attacks behind, and rejoice in the Obama victory, I couldn't agree more. Too much has been said already about "the old McCain's" brief resurfacing in the final hours of the campaign. Too many pundits repeatedly excused the vicious ugliness by second-guessing the motives of John McCain. McCain's concession speech on Tuesday night sounded noble, but it laid full reponsiblility for his loss at the feet of race. Bush followed suit in his smooth transition speech yesterday. Bush went on the paint the image of a black family, including Obama's beautiful little girls, occupying the White House, an image abhorrant to racists. As Republicans meet this weekend to lick their wounds and regroup, they will continue to define Obama's victory as a black and white issue. It will serve to excuse a lot of sins. My bet is that rather than reexamine themselves and develop a more inclusive strategy, they strengthen their resolve to narrow, divide, and exclude.
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most of the things conservatives want are unwinnable without deception
You are way off base trying to apply the word honest to Republicans, at least this generation of neocon Republicans. If it is something the country needs, something good for the country, then the Republicans will be against it.
Lee Atwater
Karl Rove
Bill O' Reilly
Mary Matalin
Michelle Malkin
George Bush
Dick Cheney
Forty Acres: a poem for Barack Obama from Nobel winner Derek Walcott
The West Indies poet Derek Walcott, winner of the 1992 Nobel Prize for Literature, writes
exclusively for The Times to mark the election of Barack Obama as President
Out of the turmoil emerges one emblem, an engraving —
a young Negro at dawn in straw hat and overalls,
an emblem of impossible prophecy, a crowd
dividing like the furrow which a mule has ploughed,
parting for their president: a field of snow-flecked
cotton
forty acres wide, of crows with predictable omens
that the young ploughman ignores for his unforgotten
cotton-haired ancestors, while lined on one branch, is
a tense
court of bespectacled owls and, on the field's
receding rim —
a gesticulating scarecrow stamping with rage at him.
there's more....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/reid-t...
Apparently Reid is still dithering over what to do about Lieberputz.
We really need to put some pressure on Reid to do the right thing and kick Lieberputz the hell out of the Democratic caucus.
Can you believe Alaska also wants us to have Stevens and Young? Hell, Palin was the last thing we needed. When will see the video of some lucky young woman buying up a half-million dollar wardrobe for $20 at Goodwill?
For today, f*** 'em.
Tomorrow I'll be magnanimous and offer them a tylenol. Today, I gloat.
Rovian Politics! If we want them to be over, we have to identify them.
I'm happy Obama is now President-elect, but in a way I feel sorry for John McCain--not because he lost, but because he gave up his principles to get the nomination, and then to lie about Senator Obama.
The gloating started day one and the bile and venom that came out of their mouths increased daily.
Like yourself, I have no intention of mending the fences the Republicans broke, but I also do not plan on gloating and attacking them either, we all have better things to do with our time.
Liberals shouldn't forget that Hitler kissed babies and patted little children on the head, either. Let's not get all mushy over those assholes that have made this country miserable for so many years.
MSNBC reports that Richard Lugar declines to be considered for Secy of State under Obama. Fuck the Rethugs and all they stand for.
In all the Obamaphoria and honeymoon swoonery let us not forget to monitor the far right and their heavily damaged echo chamber.
McCain may have quelled booing in his very gracious concession and may even have shamed a few rightist softies but I doubt Rush and his like will pull any punches.
And this morning I opened the window....and the fresh air streaming in was so delightful, and is still so very delightful… .
I’m proud of America again! The flicker of its light was severly weakened, but now, fueled by hope and the desire for honorable and decent change, that light is brighter and is growing stronger.
hey…here’s a very beautiful rendition of America’s anthem.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=a6KW7W6GezU
I don't know what the No on Prop 8 people were doing but they were totally ineffectual. This will set back gay civil rights quite a bit. The only good thing is that with Obama we can hope that any Supreme Court openings would be filled with a reasonable centrist judges. Eventually gay rights will land on their doorstep.
Remember, Mr. Obama has kept us in his list of American groups, we did help elect him and, more importantly, we're freaking everywhere.
"Marriage" was pushed into the civil union debate by wingers to have precisely the effect it has had.
James Neill's new book "The Origins and Role of Same-Sex Relations in Human Societies" will have a significant effect on rightwing efforts to harm us as a people by presenting scholarship that supports our rightful, historical and anthropological niche in human society and homosexual ubiquity in the natural (non Western post 14th century) order.
http://www.amazon.com/Origins-Same-Sex-Relation...
there are 2 ways the repeal in 2010 will succeed. either obama gets more directly involved to shape opinion (which i expect he will do) or african americans stay home on election day.
remember, protection for GLBT against discrimination is ALREADY in the California constitution... how can you have two amendments that are in direct conflict with each other, and call them both constitutional?
and for all those people out there that were pissed off that the "activist judges" overturned the 'will of the people' by declaring prop 22 unconstitutional?
if bad laws weren't declared unconstitutional....
women wouldn't be able to vote or own property... and there wouldn't BE a President-elect Obama (he'd still be considered 3/5ths of a person).
I suggest to all those who aren't right-wing christians who voted 'yes' on prop 8... you got punked by the christians.
ugh, you can never find a lion when you need one.
I'm in the married group.
HOWEVER... that's where the pro-prop 8 groups are still working... they want all the marriages already performed to be dissolved. Thus fixing the two-tiered system.
and again fucking with our rights.
prop 2 gave rights to animals... prop 8 took them away from gays.
mighty christian of them.
This is perhaps your best post ever.
I completely agree.
Obama will be one of the best presidents ever, entirely because he will run his Administration for ALL of us - for the Left AND for the Right, not just for his friends.
My heart was lifted talking to Obama supporters across the country phone banking; a Senior Citizen in FL answered, when I asked if they'd voted yet, "YES WE DID!!!"
I received 3 calls from the Repubs yesterday and another call from them last week. (sorry repubs, I was working for Obama all day yesterday_
While our Obama people were out canvassing this weekend....Repubs were out going to Dem doors as well...but they were passing themselves off as Obama people and telling voters they were not able to cast ballots for various (insert lie) reasons!!!
It was so bad, we had to send the ACLU out yesterday to those neighborhoods.
For the last 2 weeks, I have been getting hateful, inflamatory flyers from the RNC out of Tallahassee...DAILY !!!
Talk about insighting hate in a tinderbox area!!!
I'm thrilled we took FL...I suspected we might since we have seen lots of Repubs at the polls voting for Obama over the last 2 weeks. Very nice to see...I hope the hate calms down around here now....I hope these crazy people don't act out since they have been feeding off of Hate for so long.
However, I support sending them on a 1 way ticket to Antartica however ;)
(minus heaters...food....water....shelter.....)
;) ;) ;)
McCain has always been 'McNasty'. It's too late to rebrand himself now. The best he could do would be a nationwide tour to those places - Texas comes to mind - where his filth took strongest hold and where, even now, half the electorate thinks they've elected a muslim. He could usefully start walking back his lies. But I doubt if he will.
And has Palin given back her wardrobe, do you think?
for a minute there, I thought she was going to grab the microphone and talk after McSame...but then she slithered off the stage when it was clear she didn't have permission to whip up more hate for Obama.
I hope I NEVER have to See or Hear that wicked creature again!!!!
As someone who's pretty much a libertarian, I've voted on both sides of the fence and find the same crappy rhetoric and slander from everywhere. I live in NYC...try to tell me I don't CONSTANTLY hear about Republicans being idiots (and that's just nicest thing I've heard said).
You're trying to paint a false picture from your own perspective without actually being fair about it. It DOES happen on both sides whether you'd care to admit it or not.
Joy's words are horseshit. We don't need contrived "fairness",we need aggressive seekers of the facts and much less patience with the ignorant. If you don't do your homework, you don't deserve to be part of the debate. Spend more time seeking truth and less watching soap operas. I want more people demanding facts not feelings and knowing the difference. It has been 8 years of hell around here and don't forget it.
Freedom takes effort to keep. What planet have you been living on for the last 8 years?
And don't lie to yourself, anyone who didn't vote for whatever administration is currently in office considers it "hell". You ever take a look at people, seriously? "much less patience with the ignorant"? Who are they? Everyone considers everybody who doesn't agree with what they agree with to be ignorant. Don't try to feed me this, I'll wind up throwing up on you.
First it's republicans with "move to canada" now it's democrats with "move to alaska". Come on.
That "MN nice", can sometimes be so ridiculously passive...
Needless to say, I continued with what i was doing.....
Yes we are all still holding anger over what has happened during the election but I know that we are the greater people, we can look to the future and move forward. We do not have to forget but we do not need to dwell on these subjects too long. Prepare to work to support change. We know it is a long road and there will be roadblocks to break through. Get ready to fight the new battles that are coming. Get on the media for trying to tell Obama how to do his job. Remember- there are 2 funerals that Obama has to attend, he needs our support.
BRAVO!!!!!!
Thank you, John, for telling it like it T-I-IS!!!!
We need to work WITH conservatives, but we must never forget the fascist hell they are capable of creating.
My daughter is in Iraq
Wasn't that the worst of the official campagn?
neener neener neener : }
No, they didn't return to their true, good, inner selves yesterday. They just played people who had those selves.
It's time for the right to clean up its act. They need to start acting like adults again, not rabid wolverines, savaging anyone within reach. They need to start taking responsibility for the words that come out of their mouths. They need to start acting like mature members of this society and not like yapping, carping, petty brats who will say anything to get a rise.
This needed to be said -- and by many more, too.
I am sick to damn death of the stupid, "They both do/did it" bullshit.
You may have noticed, this is the name I have been giving for Rovian politics as well.
They use a Bucket of Horse Shit, good bad, vile disgusting, breathlessly repulsive crap. They fling handfulls at the puplic (wall) and don't really care which pieces stick, the ones that do, they run with.
Flag Pins/Baby Killer/Hand over heart/Black Panters/Ayers/Wright/socialist/Terrorists sympathizer/
None of them stuck this time is how we won.
Pure History now I am hopeful.
you bastard! there goes my political career ;-)
then again, eventually someone would've found the porno.
I loved watching the 4 of them on stage last night in the death throes of the most disgraceful campaign in history. I loved watching Sarah look like she was ready to explode into tears (and learning after the fact that she wanted to speak and they wouldn't let her). I loved watching Todd look pissed off. I loved seeing Cindy McCain deprived yet again of her highly coveted move to bulldoze her way into Washington wives society with the power of the presidency behind her. And I loved watching McCain try (and, in my opinion, fail) to do what he should have done all along: be a classy, standup, gentleman.
Good riddance to the four of them.
As for Barack's comments . . . he is, as usual, portraying how a real statesman behaves.
"So let's all say a huge "Fuck you" to some of those who have been shitting in our nests for the last eight years:
A great big "fuck you" to the warmongers, the fearmongers, the hatemongers, and the neocons. Last night, we said to them, "You can't scare us anymore." And we shoved their Iraq and their 9/11 whoring and their Iran threat and their WMDs and their pre-emptive doctrines and their Gitmo and their torture right up Dick Cheney's ass and laughed while he tried to get it out 'cause it burns his sphincter so fucking badly.
Let's say, "Suck our dicks" to the religious right. Sure, they can still get people to hate on gays, but now we know: Jesus doesn't fucking care about Christian conservatives. Jesus said, "Lick my holy balls" to the evangelicals last night because, see, Jesus wants us to stop being such motherfuckers to each other and to the rest of the world. It's proof, no? That Jesus wants liberal judges? That Jesus wants abortion to be safe? That Jesus wants Nancy Pelosi to be Speaker of the House? That Jesus wants science to rule the day? Yeah, Jesus fooled you, motherfuckers. You tried to speak for him, but last night he spoke loud and clear."
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
When I saw McCain's speech last night I thought I was seeing the old McCain back. Or who I thought he was, returning. But right at the first he started going into the history lesson of how great it was that a African American was getting the Big Job, - I wouldn't have blinked if he'd said "colored" or "negro" in that context - and it just seemed to me that he was firstly attributing his loss and Obama's gain (not the Country's mind you) to racial politics. Like it was a get back to whitey and we (whites) should all accept that in the context he provided. The camera panned to the unhappy crowd, and not a black face could be seen. And it occurred to me that that was what he was "spinning" for them was a new under the table "talking point" that excuses the loss. One that attempts to take a portion of legitimacy from Obama's victory and more importantly the collective intent of the electorate as expressed by their vote for that victory. His speech started out Big and got really small, really quick.
So as this realization hit me it was like an off-key fog horn in my mind, it colored, so to speak, the whole rest of the speech for me so I knew I would have to see it again to be sure. I have. It is still there. And for the record I must add I am a 48 year old white male who grew up in the DC suburbs - I know my racial politics and I know when they are being played, especially to who they think I am because I am white, and it makes me feel sick as it happens and dirty afterward.
He couldn't have spared ONE SENTENCE, right at the top, to connect the 'black' thing to the EVERYMAN thing and the AMERICAN thing. No. He could have, THAT would have been magnanimous and statesmanlike, he didn't. The rest of it was standard horseshit. What was in that speech, and Palin of course, are of course primary reasons why he lost. He / his speechwriter still does not get it.