"Fool me once Shame on you Fool me twice Shame on me."
ObamaLover
· 1 year ago
I believe the fourth line goes, "you can't fool me again"
grandma
· 1 year ago
no, that's a Bushism lol
ObamaLover
· 1 year ago
Ok now you are getting absurd. Lieberman criticized Obama. That is what we are mad about. So if anybody has a say in this it's the one who was criticized, Obama. If Obama thinks for the good of the nation the Dems should reconcile with Lieberman then so be it. No offense John, but I respect his opinion more than yours.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Lieberman did MORE than criticize Obama. I'm a lowly Democratic county officer in Oklahoma. Lieberman provided cover for countless conservative Democrats to vote Republican in the last election. He hurt our efforts here in Oklahoma in down ballot races. He was a HUGE plus for Republicans, and by his traitorous actions he proved he could not be trusted. You are a supporter of Obama's? I am, as well, and I'm not willing to give a traitor, like Lieberman, subpoena power to endlessly investigate Obama. I'm sorry, but if the shoe were on the other foot and Lieberman were a RePUNKlican, he would have been kicked out of the caucus with the message, "Don't let the door hit you on the a$$." I don't want to see Democrats fall back into playing too nice for our own good. We've come too far to reward turncoats like Lieberman. It is TIME to demand disciplilne within our party. I don't appreciate all the Democratic losses in our state from people who voted Republican because Joe Lieberman said it was okay.
ObamaLover
· 1 year ago
I think what really hurt your chances in Oklahoma, is that you live in Oklahoma. You are really overexaggerating now.
And I really don't think that anybody gives two shits what Lieberman thinks except for old Jews in Florida.
Lieberman is not going to bite the hand that feeds. I think the notion that Lieberman is going to hold investigations of the Obama administration are really out there in left field. Those are just lies to drum up anger against the guy.
That being said I still hate his guts. And Hadassah is a sack of shit too.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
You can think what you want, but you aren't a Democratic county officer in Oklahoma and haven't heard the voice of the people here, have you? I doubt you know we have MORE registered Democrats in this state than Republicans and they consider themselves conservative Democrats who are VERY influenced by those who claim they are conservative Democrats, like Lieberman. Don't try to school me in what I know. Don't try to claim I'm exaggerating, eithier. I did a whole lot of door knocking in Oklahoma, and my ear is to the ground here. You also forget people from fundamentalist areas in Oklahoma put a lot of stock in what Jewish Americans say. If "Democratic" Lieberman claims McCain is going to be "good for Israel" and Barack Obama is some how a "threat" then you better believe you are going to lose votes in Oklahoma. Again, I don't mind you having another opinion but you are starting to cross the line when you try to school others in their particular area of experience.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
"Lieberman is not going to bite the hand that feeds."
Oh really?
What part of what Lieberman did this past election wasn't biting the hand that feeds?
ObamaLover
· 1 year ago
He probably wanted a cabinet position in a McCain administration.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Again, what part of what Lieberman did this past election wasn't biting the hand that feeds?
Its obvious he wanted a cabinet position. He put his political ambition above party loyalty and lost, but also hurt our party doing it. He should have to pay consequences for his traitorous behavior.
ObamaLover
· 1 year ago
The "hand that feeds" in that instance was McCain, not Obama.
Patrick_Bateman
· 1 year ago
Hear Hear!
Patrick_Bateman
· 1 year ago
And is it time to rehabilitate Zell Miller too?
Let's dig up Thurman while we're at it, how about Falwell.
ObamaLover
· 1 year ago
I don't think they have a vote in the Senate. And we are made at Lieberman for being a turn coat, not a racist.
Patrick_Bateman
· 1 year ago
You are a very literal person.
caphillprof
· 1 year ago
I suspect the connection between the media writers and Joe Liberman is Likkud.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
I guess the message is, "If you are a Republican, you had better fall in line but if you are a Democrat.... don't worry... you can be a turncoat, traitor and we will always embrace you! You can go rogue and its perfectly fine. We don't mind you losing races for us in down ballot races, and providing cover for conservative Democrats to vote Republican. Don't worry about all those little people who gave money, time and effort to the Democratic Party. You are an important Senator... just rub their noses in it because you are special! The party doesn't matter, just what you personally want and what YOU DECIDE can help your own personal agenda, Senator!" I'm sick to death of renegade Senators in our party.
ObamaLover
· 1 year ago
No. The message here is that Dems have a brain and can think for themselves, and Repukes are mindless automatons that jump when the leadership says jump. Obviously this is a situation where it didn't work out that well for us, but it's good for a free flow of ideas within the party.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
You've said your piece, "ObamaLover"
We know where you stand. I, and others, disagree. Lieberman is dangerous to our caucus, and to the discipline of our party. He needs to be punished. You can disagree all you want but you aren't going to change my mind, and I doubt others.
The fear isn't that "this is a situation w here it didn't work out that well for us" it is a situation WE FEAR will NOT work out well for us IN THE FUTURE!
Patrick_Bateman
· 1 year ago
With all due respect to the Obama lovers, who give him the benefit of the doubt on this one....
Ya see, unlike the ditto-heads. we can converse, analyze and even disagree.
Bottom line, we want President elect Obama to have a successful Presidency, with his success, the world succeeds.
ObamaLover
· 1 year ago
I just feel like he is probably more aware of the consequences of cutting ties with Lieberman than we are. Although, one consequence is pretty apparent, and that is getting to 60.
Moreover, the fact that he is the first liberal president that we have had in a long time gives him the benefit of the doubt. Until he betrays my trust I will continue to give him the benefit of the doubt.
DKarma
· 1 year ago
Joe Lieberman needs to be referred to from now on as a hyper-partisan because that is what he is.
AtlantaKaren
· 1 year ago
Both the examples John cites (Ambinder, Cillizza) are members of the press who have demonstrated a clear sympathy, if not bias, for the Republican party. Naturally, a turncoat fake Dem senator embedded in our caucus is just swell for the interests of the Repubs, so these reporters encourage it.
The best analysis I've seen of the Lieberman fiasco is Jane Hamsher in today's Firedoglake. She believes the real reason Dems have rushed to the aid of Lieberman is that he provides cover for all the tepid Dems with voting records that are essentially Republican-lite- pro Iraq war, etc. If Lieberman is forced to face any consequences for his actions, these conservative Dems are afraid they in turn may be held accountable for their own voting records. Keeping the disloyal Lieberman in the caucus with no punishment acts as a firewall for them- progressive voters will be that much more frustrated in their attempts to push these alleged Dems in the right direction.
It seems to make sense.
jebauer
· 1 year ago
Huh... I thought Joe was an Independent... not a Dem... he left the party... right? Ok so, about the unending chaos that is the world we live in today, could we get back to that? Cuz, two of my buddies just got effed by their employers today, my house is now worth half of what I bought it for and at the rate my retirement's going, I'll be living in a cardboard box under a bridge.... NEXT!
fostert
· 1 year ago
I'm no fan of Lieberman, but maybe we should consider this: Joe hasn't really helped the people he's campaigned for. He did a terrible job campaigning for Gore, and Gore lost. Lieberman was more assertive and effective in campaigning for McCain, and McCain lost bigger. Maybe it's actually a good thing that he doesn't campaign for us. He's the Kiss of Death on the campaign trail. Had he campaigned for Obama, Obama might have lost. He probably did us a favor this year.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
I was in Washington, DC and volunteered for the local District of Columbia Gore campaign. I remember Lieberman threw Gore under the bus then. He should have been punished for his lackluster campaigning then quick acceptance of the selection by the Supreme Court of the disastrous Bu$hco. regime then. He was not punished then and what did he do? He became even MORE of a renegade Senator to our caucus. Its time he learned that he can't continue to pursue his narrow agenda at the expense of our party without consequences.
Sigh... to think of where our nation would be today had we had the President Gore we all voted for in 2000. Sigh...
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
I still don't understand what Gore was thinking with Lieberputz.
Even before I hated Lieberputz, I didn't see the logic in the pick.
He's boring as hell, he had already demonstrated that he was perfectly willing the knife his party leader (Clinton) in the back and he couldn't even deliver a state that Gore couldn't get on his own.
WTF?
fostert
· 1 year ago
The only logic I saw was that he'd pull in enough votes in Miami to win Florida. Who knows? Maybe he did and they weren't counted. But he probably lost more elsewhere, and probably enough to lose another state. In the end, Gore would have been president with a better VP pick.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
I mark this down as Obama's first mistake as president.
And I guarantee you that he will regret it.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
and I don't want to hear any whining or crying from those who support this decision when traitor Joe subpoenas the Obama Administration over some trumped up investigation.
mdavis000
· 1 year ago
I mark it as his first promise fulfilled. He promised us he would unite us and not divide us. We are not red states and blue states, we are the UNITED STATES. Retribution against lieberman stands against his core values, and against mine. I want unity. I want to get past the petty bickering that brought us into the doldrums of political warfare and hurt our country in the process. You are putitng party loyalty above progress. Stop it. We need the votes to pass Obama;s agenda, and Obama knows it too. We need every last vote. Even Lieberman's.
ivyfree
· 1 year ago
I think it's okay if Lieberman thought McCain was the better candidate. I think it's okay if he issues a statement saying he supported McCain. However, he is a Democrat (allegedly) and when he actively campaigned for McCain, when he spoke at the Republican National Convention, and when he dissed Obama publicly, then that's over the line. Chair of major committees is a plum appointment; there's a general shift going on with the change in administrations, and Homeland Security hasn't been so well-run that he's earned it despite his other failings. So what if he might defect and become a Republican? How would that change anything he's already been doing, anyway?
jimpharo
· 1 year ago
The thing that gets overlooked in the debate on this is that Harry Reid told Joe that if he went to their convention he would lose his chairmanship, and Joe did it any way. The debate has a sort-of "first offender" quality to it -- he got carried away, he's otherwise been a good guy, he was just helping his friend, he was our guy in 2000, etc. But he directly challenged the leadership and I expect Harry will make sure the other Senators understand that when it comes to any kind of party discipline, Joe has now demonstrated his lack of reliability.
I'd give him VA Comm on a "take-it-or-leave-it" basis. He'll take it and smile the whole time - he's got no leverage in this thing.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
He knifed Clinton in the back during Monica.
He's always been a serial turncoat.
Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood)
· 1 year ago
This battle is lost. It is not worth diverting precious energy or resources to fight a lost cause. Maybe it is easier for Obama to hold his enemy close so he can see what he is up to. What Obama wants Obama gets!
I for one trust my president elect. I voted for Obama because he has the judgement to lead. He is exercising that good judgement by trying to ensure that we have as many votes in our caucus as possible in order to pass his agenda. Now is the time to have a big tent and sustain and grow our majority. Not to start dividing again and squandering our great victory. I want everybody to feel comfortable in our party. We have a party of thinkers. A party of tolerance. A party that doesn't slap its members down if they dont fully tow the party line. We have a party of RESPECT. I like it that way. I like dissent. I like discussion. I like debate. The repubs have tons of gullible followers who get brainwashed on a daily basis by Hannity, Limbaugh, and Fox News. We don't have that because we think for ourselves. Lieberman is an independent democrat. Let him remain one! If we get his votes, then we increase our chance at getting healthcare, jobs, and better government. I WANT EVERY VOTE. And so does my president elect! Here is my challenge to you Mr. Avarosis: Do you think you know better than the president elect on the Lieberman issue? Do you think you know better than Obama on this political question?
Gorgonzola
· 1 year ago
There's something to be said for having the creep inside the tent pissing out instead of outside the tent pissing in. In any event the Democratic caucus can pull his chairmanship at any time.
Indigo
· 1 year ago
Lieberman has a charmed career, protected by a talisman made in Prague by Franz Kafka.
paulbe
· 1 year ago
Maybe the media owners are reminding the editorial staff who still calls the shots. Appointment of Rahm, apparent rehabilitation of Lieberman. Its looking pretty clear which group will be driving this administration (just like the last one).
elizabethcostello
· 1 year ago
I've never grasped the zombie affection among media types for this creep Lieberman. He collapsed like a souffle in his 2000 debate with Cheney, helped to sink Gore's chances (why hasn't the media ever investigated this), proved himself one of Bush's stalwart cheerleaders and a total neocon warmonger, and then disgraced himself this summer with the attacks on Senator Obama and the Democratic Party. I understand Obama's magnanimity, but really, the Senate has its own prerogatives and the Democrats there should stop acting like pushovers and should expel this scumbag right away. It's so unfortunate that enough Democrats allowed the GOP to hijack the seat back in 2006. But don't take it from me: Colin McEnroe in the Hartford Courant lays out the continuing case against the LIEberman.
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Shame on you
Fool me twice
Shame on me."
And I really don't think that anybody gives two shits what Lieberman thinks except for old Jews in Florida.
Lieberman is not going to bite the hand that feeds. I think the notion that Lieberman is going to hold investigations of the Obama administration are really out there in left field. Those are just lies to drum up anger against the guy.
That being said I still hate his guts. And Hadassah is a sack of shit too.
Oh really?
What part of what Lieberman did this past election wasn't biting the hand that feeds?
Its obvious he wanted a cabinet position. He put his political ambition above party loyalty and lost, but also hurt our party doing it. He should have to pay consequences for his traitorous behavior.
Let's dig up Thurman while we're at it, how about Falwell.
We know where you stand. I, and others, disagree. Lieberman is dangerous to our caucus, and to the discipline of our party. He needs to be punished. You can disagree all you want but you aren't going to change my mind, and I doubt others.
The fear isn't that "this is a situation w here it didn't work out that well for us" it is a situation WE FEAR will NOT work out well for us IN THE FUTURE!
Ya see, unlike the ditto-heads. we can converse, analyze and even disagree.
Bottom line, we want President elect Obama to have a successful Presidency, with his success, the world succeeds.
Moreover, the fact that he is the first liberal president that we have had in a long time gives him the benefit of the doubt. Until he betrays my trust I will continue to give him the benefit of the doubt.
The best analysis I've seen of the Lieberman fiasco is Jane Hamsher in today's Firedoglake. She believes the real reason Dems have rushed to the aid of Lieberman is that he provides cover for all the tepid Dems with voting records that are essentially Republican-lite- pro Iraq war, etc. If Lieberman is forced to face any consequences for his actions, these conservative Dems are afraid they in turn may be held accountable for their own voting records. Keeping the disloyal Lieberman in the caucus with no punishment acts as a firewall for them- progressive voters will be that much more frustrated in their attempts to push these alleged Dems in the right direction.
It seems to make sense.
Sigh... to think of where our nation would be today had we had the President Gore we all voted for in 2000. Sigh...
Even before I hated Lieberputz, I didn't see the logic in the pick.
He's boring as hell, he had already demonstrated that he was perfectly willing the knife his party leader (Clinton) in the back and he couldn't even deliver a state that Gore couldn't get on his own.
WTF?
And I guarantee you that he will regret it.
I'd give him VA Comm on a "take-it-or-leave-it" basis. He'll take it and smile the whole time - he's got no leverage in this thing.
He's always been a serial turncoat.
What Obama wants Obama gets!
Obama resigns Senate
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27702953/
Here is my challenge to you Mr. Avarosis: Do you think you know better than the president elect on the Lieberman issue? Do you think you know better than Obama on this political question?